Declarations for the good of mankind
I declare that cheese is now a vegetable.
That's gotta make everyone's food pyramid thingie better, right?
I also declare that Halloween is a proper holiday -figure skating classes should not be held on the 31st. Swim Practices aren't, how special are you? Besides, you don't hold classes at Christmas, and more people round here celebrate H than C........
I declare that driving 10 MPH under the speed limit is an offense punishable by beating from the person behind you in the car.
The thing about the food pyramid - I only eat from the top of it.
Because the top of a pyramid is still a pyramid.
But the bottom of a pyramid is a trapezoid.
And eating from the food trapezoid just can't be good for you.
:notworthy
I'm convinced.
I declare that after the presidential election is decided there will be a moratorium on any discussions concerning politics for a period of 45 days in The Cellar.
That's not gonna happen Merc
yea, but, but, I declared it! WTF? I declared it. So it shall be. :D
I declare that driving 10 MPH under the speed limit is an offense punishable by beating from the person behind you in the car.
How about this one? I'm in a 35 doing 30.... because there is a cop in front of me doing 30. I'm getting tailgated & honked by somebody behind me. I wish there hadn't been so many cars parked on the side, or I'd've pulled over and let the guy behind me ride the cops tailpipe.
I'd still beat you. It would be your duty to beat the cop. and since it's only 5mph below, i might let you off with a 'throw your keys in the bushes' instead of an actual beat down.
I declare that, since fuel prices are declining rapidly, all the stuff that got more expensive and blamed it on fuel prices will now decrease in price accordingly.
I declare that single mothers freshly out of abusive relationships (or single fathers in the same boat), with the child on their hip, should get free rent for up to six months until they have time to start a new life for them and their child.
Hmmm, do they need a black eye or a broken limb to prove abuse?
No, I'm all for supporting and helping people getting out of abusive relationships: there is very little more difficult to go through.
I just don't see your solution as viable: after 6 months you yank them back out? Psych: shoulda got a job while you were still reeling from your abuse, dealing with your decision, and hiding from the person who, if they find you, may very well kill you and you children?
this is declarations. abuse is down the hall. 3rd door on your left.
this is declarations. abuse is down the hall. 3rd door on your left.
Where are "silly walks", I think I've stumbled into the complaint department.
For the record, I got out of an abusive relationship about six months ago. NCIS is investigating the case... and I should have added to the six month clause; after the six months, the case is reevaluated and an extension granted based on an individual basis. Tell you what, free rent for a few months would have helped me and my daughter out IMMENSELY.
-laughs- This is going to be my first Halloween with a miniature. She's ten months old... and I can't for the life of me find a costume I like! My sewing skills are a bit above average, but I'm not going to have access to my machine til the 20th or so... which means I'm cutting it VERY close for having something made in time. Her daddy's a Marine; I'm thinking about just putting her in little cammies, but then again I'm sure EVERYONE on base will be doing that! Any suggestions? Thanks, fellow cellarites!
so wait, are you back with him or is this her step-daddy who's the marine? or was it not her daddy who was abusive? :confused:
None of the above. Her daddy was abusive... he's a Marine... I'm not back with him nor will I ever be. She doesn't have a step-daddy. But with her father being a Marine, was debating going along with the whole "Devil Pup" joke for Marine kids. As for being on base, the job offer I have is for a shop RIGHT off base... so I'm taking her ON base for trick or treating, since it's one of the safest areas to do so. Make sense now?
For the record, I got out of an abusive relationship about six months ago. NCIS is investigating the case... and I should have added to the six month clause; after the six months, the case is reevaluated and an extension granted based on an individual basis. Tell you what, free rent for a few months would have helped me and my daughter out IMMENSELY.
Naval Criminal Investigative Service? I know someone who works for them down this way at a local Naval Base.
Yes, Merc :) NCIS has been helpful, but rather quiet on the whole deal... however, the case did end up on a short stop-over on the desk of a close friend/guardian angel, so we'll see what happens.
I declare every other Saturday "howl at the moon Saturday". It is now mandatory.
How is this for the good of mankind? It's for the good of mankind because shut up.
This begins immediately. Now do it. No questions. Just do it.
:)
being that this is this saturday, and not every other.....and when i come to next saturday, it will also be this saturday to me then, i don't forsee a lot of howling in my future
I don't see any requests for excuses in my post. I see:Now do it.
Maggots!!
:)
-runs outside on the balcony and howls passionately- Hmm... I feel better. Something like primal scream therapy. I highly recommend you try it, LJ :D
Can we just make it every 4th week, on the full moon? I feel silly howling at a half moon.
-snorts- It's not the amount of moon in the sky, Zen, it's the amount of moon in your blood :P
None of the above. Her daddy was abusive... he's a Marine... I'm not back with him nor will I ever be. She doesn't have a step-daddy. But with her father being a Marine, was debating going along with the whole "Devil Pup" joke for Marine kids. As for being on base, the job offer I have is for a shop RIGHT off base... so I'm taking her ON base for trick or treating, since it's one of the safest areas to do so. Make sense now?
Yeah, sorta, thanks (sorry to pry but I've learned it's often better to ask rather than make assumptions) Does he still get to see her? If so, that must be tough. Would you rather be away from the base or is that where all your friends are?
You could always moon and howl, Zen....
Monster, it never hurts to ask questions, and I'm (usually) willing to answer :) As for him seeing the baby, I'm working through legal channels to prevent it; he abused her as well as me (although he never abused her sexually). As for base, I would like to be AWAY by virtue of the fact it gets me further from him, but in general, since my job is nearby, I definitely won't mind taking advantage of the government owned, restricted-access beaches! :D
I declare that after the presidential election is decided there will be a moratorium on any discussions concerning politics for a period of 45 days in The Cellar.
I declare that I may have just found the man/woman/mammal of my dreams! :blush: ;)
Wouldn't you better off with someone that makes rational proposals?;)
Can we just make it every 4th week, on the full moon? I feel silly howling at a half moon.
Yea, I not howling at any half-baked moon. It has to be full or the other werwolves will be making fun of me. No way, has to be full. And on top of that, it doesn't always happen on a Sat. Then what do I do, just keep waiting til one does fall on a Sat. Who knows how long that is going to be? Eh. You pain me. I need blood.
That's vampires, dude, we jus' need flesh. And leave the brains for the zombies.
No way am I howling at my own arse. (Out of it, sometimes, maybe). That's too much like barking up the wrong tree.
Umm... I thought I was clear when I said I didn't want any excuses or questions from you guys.
The directions are clear: Howl at the moon every other Saturday. Oh, and didn't I say mandatory? So what's with the discussion from the peanut gallery?
No more of this, but this, but that, and do it maggots!
:)
There was quite a bit of moon howling in Cellar Chat last night. Did that fit the mandate, Cicero?
I declare that after the presidential election is decided there will be a moratorium on any discussions concerning politics for a period of 45 days in The Cellar.
American politics? Shrug, okay.
I declare that it is now illegal for anyone renting out rooms to have them at a temperature above 18 degrees. Individual tenants can provide their own heating if they wish, but as with transporting livestock there is now a maximum temp. I thank you.
I declare that single mothers freshly out of abusive relationships (or single fathers in the same boat), with the child on their hip, should get free rent for up to six months until they have time to start a new life for them and their child.
For the win:P
SG, is that Celsius of Farenheit?
Sorry, Celsius!
74.4 F in here and I'm dying of it....
That would be too hot, particularly for sleeping. I keep our bedroom at about 56 °F (in winter) and my office at about 66 °F while I'm working.
Wouldn't you better off with someone that makes rational proposals?;)
Perhaps.... but this Mercenary fellow seems to live in my neck of the woods. That contributes mightily to his/her/its appeal. ;)
Wouldn't you better off with someone that makes rational proposals?;)
uhh.
No.
You always come along to kill the romance.:p
I declare: Businesses should close between 1-3pm for everyone to take a nap, especially during the summer.
No one should put on clothes within 30min of getting out of the shower, they should go about their regular activities with the freedom and comfort of clean naked skin.
I declare ,,,,,,,,,,,
I just declare !!!
I declare: that there is no such thing as PTSD. Forthwith, all treatment shall consist of continuous bitch-slapping until you pronounce yourself cured.
Thank you.
I declare ,,,,,,,,,,,
I just declare !!!
The proper usage is "I do declare!" ;)
No one should put on clothes within 30min of getting out of the shower, they should go about their regular activities with the freedom and comfort of clean naked skin.
Your declaration is my everyday reality. Air drying nekkid is one of life's great pleasures. /TMI
I declare: that there is no such thing as PTSD. Forthwith, all treatment shall consist of continuous bitch-slapping until you pronounce yourself cured.
Thank you.
You serious? :eyebrow:
I declare that Columbus Day is BACK ON!
Brian uh. Don't act dumb K? Kthxbai.
I declare, from this day forward, that if you borrow something and don't put it back where you A) found it and B) in the condition you found it in; the rightful owner of said item may beat you to within inches of your life with either A) the item if available B) or an item of their choice.
Beaches is the BOMB -runs outside and howls at the setting sun- just 'cause I wanted to :D
I declare that Radar is banned from all internet activities, forever......for the good of mankind.
I declare that I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Communist...wait.
I declare that naughty doggies who steal baby's stuffed animals and bottles should be put in solitary confinement for the rest of the day. >.<
You serious? :eyebrow:
Mostly.
I have a friend who claims PTSD from enemy fire from our Navy days. We were in the same place at the same time on the same ship. I somehow managed to sleep through the "enemy fire" but did stand there and look at the bullet (yes, ONE) hole in the morning. He is now claiming full disability for PTSD. Liar.
He and I met recently and he told me this tale of woe and misery as to why he can't socialize like a normal person. Why he couldn't stay married to his wife (and kid). Why he can't manage to hold a job. Blah blah.
I told him he deserves a good slap and tried to catch him (he runs faster than I) to give him one. I yelled at him that he can't bullshit a bullshitter. I lived with this guy at home and at sea. We experimented with recipes at home and threatened the cooks at sea with summary courts-martial if they didn't learn to cook. We got up to all kinds of trouble in foreign ports. I can do what I did and get away with it. He's not suffering with anything but self-pity and guilt and I know it.
PTSD is nothing more than "battle fatigue" renamed. It's a manifestation of fear that a person is unable to handle. I was there, I was shot at and I handled it just fine. If I ever swapped places with him and he saw me like I see him, he'd do the same. And, unlike him, I'd thank him later.
I get annoyed with people living (read: sponging) off the taxpayers' dollar as he is doing. He deserved a slap or two and I feel like many who "suffer" from the same thing need one also. The shooting is over people! You're home safely. Nothing bad happened to you. Get over it!
Adjust as necessary for people who are still afraid of the hurricane/flood/fire/earthquake/accident etc. It's OVER! YOU'RE FINE! Get on with life already!
I am disabled by illness but do I sit back and live on the dole? No! I went out, got retrained (at my own expense) and found a job that I can still do. Life goes on for us all. I got on and he needs to also.
Sheesh! Have I vented enough, ya think? I'll just get off this soapbox now and quietly get ready to go to Phoenix tomorrow.
Brian
Ouch.
I'm no expert on PTSD but I know people who think the same thing about depression. All I can do is wish it on them. Yes, because I mean enough to do that. It (depression) is not feeling sad, it's not "not coping" with things and it takes the pleasure out of everything, even things you previously loved.
Now no-one told me to snap out of it, but I know it's a common misconception that people can. Like people who claim they have a migraine and carry on working, if you can operate perfectly normally with depression, it doesn't sound like the real thing to me.
I knida wonder whether PTSD is the same thing. I'll bow to Wolf's opinion if she drops by this thread.
Do you need Wolf to tell you Brian is being a dumb ass? Or can I tell you that?
:)
Wolf has earned that privilege.
I have been diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder by my psychologist and can tell you that if you do truly have it (rather than faking), it interferes with your daily life on a pretty grand scale. Now, understand, I've had this diagnosis for six years, and there are parts of it that I've been able to overcome. However, I still have flashbacks on a regular basis; sudden movement out of the corner of my eye or sudden noises will send me into complete panic. I cannot handle crowds of any size. If I'm in a restaurant or similar facility, I have to sit with my back and side to a wall, in a corner, and someone has to be between me and the waiter/waitress at all times. I wake up screaming in the middle of the night from the nightmares. I've been told I'll sit up screaming and still be sound asleep. Yes, I've learned to cope with and adjust to all these issues, and I have a full time job and am a contributing member of society... just like depression, PTSD can be handled medically and worked around. It CAN be debilitating in more serious cases, but then so can depression. Those cases tend to be a bit on the less common side though. Does all this answer y'all's questions?
lol! Brian, calling you dumb on this one is more of a right. I can not even fathom, why you would try and piss all over a possibly deadly and dangerous disorder. And act as if it's a disorder of hypochondriacs.
Let's just say hi to the army wives right now. How do you feel about your ex-husband's PTSD? Or how about the time he tried to kill you? Brian R has an idea.
*edited* srsly.
Treasenuak, may I ask what your trauma was?
Brian, my trauma was living for two years with a man who physically, emotionally, mentally, and sexually abused me every single day I was with him. Not only do I have PTSD from it, I have a dissociative identity disorder as well (aka, I developed a split personality)
I declare you are all insensitive poopy-heads. my PTSD evaporated on 9/11 *sniff*
awwwww -comforts monster-
I can sympothisa Brian , A dude I know is gett a comp check every month for sinus porblems, retired navy
I declare all future declarations to be invalid for unknown reasons or motivations. Even despite all contrary facts and sound judgement, future declarations are hereby invalid, and there is reason to believe that all future facts, as well as educated opinions, are rapidly becoming invalid as well. Good day to you, Sirs.
It's not nice to make fun of agoraphobics, you know.
It's not nice to make fun of angoraphobics, you know.
You tit! I soiled my armor I was so scared!
Brian, my trauma was living for two years with a man who physically, emotionally, mentally, and sexually abused me every single day I was with him. Not only do I have PTSD from it, I have a dissociative identity disorder as well (aka, I developed a split personality)
May I ask why you remained with the jerk or didn't kill him in his sleep? Animals like that (I refuse to call them 'men') should be put down. Women are NOT helpless. No, I am not calling you culpable. But I personally would either walk on or kill an abusive partner, regardless of my feelings for them. There are resources for battered women including anonymous shelters, legal help with property or children etc. Why? Why put up with abuse of any kind? What are you doing about your situation now?
Please don't tell me medication. I have a personal revulsion against anyone with a 'psy' in his/her title, but will concede that they can help some people who need to air their problems. I rarely agree with medication as a means of treatment long term. All it does is mask problems and cover up feelings.
People can handle stress. Some need help learning to cope but all can do it. I've been stressed more than many, tried to deal with well-meaning "professionals" who caused more harm than good and ultimately discovered that they cannot fix anything they can't medicate away and drugs are nearly always their first reaction.
"When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." Drugs are all counselors, psychiatrists and social workers have that does anything concrete from the patient's view. Nearly everyone I know that takes some form of drug to "cope" has been on that drug long term and will remain so because they see it as an easy fix to a complicated problem that they have to work out, ultimately, on their own and that scares them. So they retreat to the safety of a pill.
My own problems were actually identified by a friend who had the same problem and recognised the symptoms. Once I knew the identity of my enemy, I worked out a plan to get back to normal and executed it. Yes, I talked to her and used some of her own strategies but not all worked for me, they were hers alone. I even talked to the right "professionals" and they confirmed my diagnosis.
Guess what the first thing they offered to me was? Yep, pills. I declined and now I'm fine without their help.
Would you like to talk to me sometime and I'll offer help if you want it. I promise, no slapping.
Brian
I declined and now I'm fine without their help.
Would you like to talk to me sometime and I'll offer help if you want it. I promise, no slapping.
Brian
Funny. You don't sound "fine." You sound hostile.
Speaking as yet another person diagnosed with PTSD, I think I'd rather have my heart cut out with a spoon than talk to you about it.
And, no.... you may not ask me about the circumstances regarding my illness.
Funny. You don't sound "fine." You sound hostile.
Speaking as yet another person diagnosed with PTSD, I think I'd rather have my heart cut out with a spoon than talk to you about it.
And, no.... you may not ask me about the circumstances regarding my illness.
.
.
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That kicks ass. Kthxbai.:D
I declare all future declarations to be invalid for unknown reasons or motivations. Even despite all contrary facts and sound judgement, future declarations are hereby invalid, and there is reason to believe that all future facts, as well as educated opinions, are rapidly becoming invalid as well. Good day to you, Sirs.
I hereby to declare Cicero's declaration to be entirely true, sound and valid.
Think about it, peeps.
May I ask why you remained with the jerk or didn't kill him in his sleep? Animals like that (I refuse to call them 'men') should be put down. Women are NOT helpless. No, I am not calling you culpable. But I personally would either walk on or kill an abusive partner, regardless of my feelings for them. There are resources for battered women including anonymous shelters, legal help with property or children etc. Why? Why put up with abuse of any kind? What are you doing about your situation now?
`snip`
Brian, with all due respect to you and your opinion, you really can't judge the "why" women remain. Please try to understand it's so much deeper than the black and white "kill him, get help, just leave." Many women eventually do...but the thought processes that take them to that point are something that can't possibly be understood unless you've gone through it.
It's such a complex thing that I can't even begin to make sense of it myself, much less break it down in a post.
snip~ Please try to understand it's so much deeper than the black and white ~snip~ but the thought processes that take them to that point are something that can't possibly be understood ~snip~ It's such a complex thing that I can't even begin to make sense of it myself ~snip
I think most men
do recognize this emotional/hormonal effect on their thought/decision/action, process, is part of what defines women. It's part of what makes them good mothers and care givers.
It also makes us hesitant to vote for them. ;)
I declare that South Lyon Sea Lions shall be made to swim wearing donkey ears and butterfly wings at Fall Championships this year.
Brian, with all due respect to you and your opinion, you really can't judge the "why" women remain. Please try to understand it's so much deeper than the black and white "kill him, get help, just leave." Many women eventually do...but the thought processes that take them to that point are something that can't possibly be understood unless you've gone through it.
It's such a complex thing that I can't even begin to make sense of it myself, much less break it down in a post.
Unconditional love. It's that easy. Women were built to absorb tons of pain, and they put up with a hell of a lot. All of them. The physical pain hurts but the residual psychological effects don't just go away. There is this thing we have called empathy, care, and compassion. These are double edged swords and women have to sit on the blade sometimes. Men have varying degrees of this too. We are traditionally more emotionally mature, but with this comes resposibility, then comes inevitable pain. Most women are tortured by those closest to them when they are tortured (statistically). Yes, that screws you in the head. Not only are they viewed as second class in most countries, but they are also treated like dogs. So the dog keeps coming back home and takes another beating. Some women love unconditionally and some do not. Then there's the women with absolutely no self-esteem or self-respect, and even unconditional love is lost on them, because they only know how to submit. Then it's ok to push them in the dirt
just because you can.
Talk a woman out of love, see what you get. When all the love is beaten out of a woman, you get a psychopath. Love, care, and compassion keep women healthy. But there is a drawback, because sometimes it makes them sick. Watch a woman that has a murderous son. She still loves him now doesn't she? Unconditional love. That's what people admire about women in the long run, but it is also something to be taken advantage of, and people do it because they are sick immature freaks.
I say "people" because women can be abusive as well.
If anyone wants to argue with any of this, go ahead. It isn't firm. It just sounds like it. :)
That is one of the best posts I've read in a very long time. Thank you for that, Cicero.
The residual psychological effects do not go away, as you said. :(
Cicero, the only point I'll argue (and it's a big one) is this:
All of them.
All of them?
This is why Treas is bright for seeking the help of a professional. I have to add this, as it was intended for my previous post. *BrianR not a therapist.
Cicero, the only point I'll argue (and it's a big one) is this:
All of them?
There is always always always,
something. Just in my experience, and I have known a lot of women from diverse backgrounds. Just as a wide sampling, yea. Some talk. Some don't. mmm'k? I didn't mean to depress people. Jesus. Srry. Moving on. Hey can this go in the Hall of Drift?
:p
Very enlightening post Cic - I can relate to too much to it I'm afraid. A far as "All of them" - There are very VERY few absolutes in life.
"Just as a wide sampling, yea." I already inserted this disclaimer classic. :)
I was referring to HLJ on that part - rereading my post that was my bad.
Talk a woman out of love, see what you get. When all the love is beaten out of a woman, you get a psychopath. Love, care, and compassion keep women healthy.
Well it's not been beaten out of me, but as a woman without a partner or children I can't say I agree with your diagnosis completely.
But I do agree that
in general women are driven more by emotion and men by ambition. I just don't see one trait being worse than the other in political terms. Even an overly emotional leader surely couldn't kill as many of their own supporters as Stalin or Mao.
Unconditional love. It's that easy. Women were built to absorb tons of pain, and they put up with a hell of a lot. All of them. The physical pain hurts but the residual psychological effects don't just go away. There is this thing we have called empathy, care, and compassion. These are double edged swords and women have to sit on the blade sometimes. Men have varying degrees of this too. We are traditionally more emotionally mature, but with this comes resposibility, then comes inevitable pain. Most women are tortured by those closest to them when they are tortured (statistically). Yes, that screws you in the head. Not only are they viewed as second class in most countries, but they are also treated like dogs. So the dog keeps coming back home and takes another beating. Some women love unconditionally and some do not.
Cic, excellent post. I do know women (one in specific) that fit your description to a tee. And it's not some person with "no other options" or lack of will -- she's perhaps the smartest, strongest (and best educated) person I know. Unconditional love, to her, means once she has made a commitment, She. Will. Not. Back. Down. No matter how much it hurts her (and it has, many times).
I somehow missed all those "feminine" qualities. There isn't a person or thing in this world I couldn't walk a way from. It might kill me, but I'd turn my back on them and walk away forever if I was rejected. I don't hand out many second chances.
I can't decide which is worse.
Well it's not been beaten out of me, but as a woman without a partner or children I can't say I agree with your diagnosis completely.
But you still "love" don't you? Here kitty kitty..We are talking in general terms. You love stuff. I know it.
I wasn't giving a diagnosis. You'll know it when I pull out the diagnostics manual on your asses. :D
I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the abused and traumatized. We are still talking about women that have been severely abused and/or traumatized. And unconditional love.
This is my thread jack and I'm sticking to it. ;)
There isn't a person or thing in this world I couldn't walk a way from. It might kill me, but I'd turn my back on them and walk away forever if I was rejected. I don't hand out many second chances.
I can't decide which is worse.
"Better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all." by Saint Augustine.
Cicero, I luv you lady. You hit the nail on the head much more eloquently than I could have; thank you.
Brian, I don't know what your issue is with psychiatrists or drugs, but I didn't exactly have your option of "manning up". When I got out of that relationship, there was so little untraumatized psychological material left in my head, I quite literally could not function on a daily basis. If left alone, I would stand in the center of the room with a blank look on my face until someone came and told me what to do. I did not know how to function. Ergo, I got some pretty heady drugs and intensive therapy. Over the past several years, the drugs have been weaned away bit by bit, except for a couple. One of these is a highly neurologically addictive drug that helps control the panics. Because this is a neuro-chemical addiction, I can't be taken off it, except very very slowly, over the course of a decade (?) because of the dose I take and how long I've been on it. So yes. I'm on drugs. No, I am not ashamed of it. And I am now capable of living by myself and caring for myself and my little girl without assistance, something I once believed would never be possible for me. As to why I didn't leave him? Because I loved him. Because it took nearly a year for me to realize what he was doing was abuse (I was raised in a very sheltered home and didn't know people DID these kinds of things to each other...). Because it took me that long to set up an escape that he couldn't track. Because I feared for my life. And because no matter how much "self-defense" it might have been, back then I would not have killed for ANY reason. Could I? Yes. Would I? No. That was my moral line in the sand. And while I appreciate your offer to talk, I do not think that would be edifying for either of us.
You were nuts.
You got help.
Now you're better.
Tomorrow you'll be all better.
Sounds like a damn good plan, to me.:thumb2:
One of these is a highly neurologically addictive drug that helps control the panics.
This is way off track, but what is this drug?
I cant remember the name of the drug I was prescribed (something like Paxil), but, after only two days on it I was experiencing really weird side effects...like weird little brain jolts and stomach problems. I went on-line and discovered that the body's physical dependency to this drug becomes so severe that people cant get off of it. They keep going back and/or like you it takes a
long, long time to withdraw from it. I stopped taking it immediately. I only wanted something short term to help relax me a bit from tension...the tension I was experience was causing my TMJ to flair up...but my doctor prescribed me this! It felt like a scam to me. The pharmaceutical companies give a kick-back to doctors to prescribe the drug and so doctors are prescribing it willy nilly and to people who don't really need it. (Two of the doctors in my network really give me the impression of this).
This drug is a guaranteed money-maker because it is so hard to get off of.
Sorry Treas, I know in your case it probably was a life saver and dealing with the long term weaning-off is definitely worth it to you.
Ativan is one such drug. They give it out like candy to cancer patients because it supposedly helps nausea of chemotherapy. It also "flattens out" your personality and (supposedly) prevents panic attacks... and is
highly addictive. Which they don't tell you before you take it.
My father had some miserable days after he quit it cold turkey; only after he instituted a 5-week taper did he get a reasonably tolerable withdrawal.
:angry:
The one I'm on is called Clonopin. It's an older drug, from what I've been told.
I'm on Paxil.
No side effects for me, and I came off it quite easily last time. I wasn't ready to, so I had all sorts of problems, but none physical.
I don't thinks it's a conspiracy - I think it's a case of weighing up the possible negatives and positives. Since the advent of the internet I have never taken a drug I haven't fully researched. Even before that I read the information (provided by law in this country) which came with the drug, where they list all possible side effects even down to those that occur in a handful of cases.
Brain I don't mean to get on your case, but I've been thinking about this. You have every right to criticise someone you know well you you believe is shamming and scammin, sure. My issue and that of other people here is that you seem to be spreading your net far wider. You criticise people for using drugs to "cope" - do you not believe that some cases are due to chemical imbalance? Because if not, how could tablets help?
And if you accept that, would you take the same harsh line with a diabetic who used drugs to cope?
Since the advent of the internet I have never taken a drug I haven't fully researched.
-> This. <-
Be an informed consumer whenever possible. I realize (especially in a hospital situation) it is not always realistic, but make it a goal.
As to why I didn't leave him? Because I loved him. Because it took nearly a year for me to realize what he was doing was abuse (I was raised in a very sheltered home and didn't know people DID these kinds of things to each other...). Because it took me that long to set up an escape that he couldn't track. Because I feared for my life.
:) You're a brave woman. I'm proud of you.
-blushes- Thank you, Razz :)