Wachovia lends the RNCC $8 million!

Pico and ME • Oct 9, 2008 7:27 pm
Oh! The unmitigated gall!

The bank that just recently called on the government for a bailout is bailing out the Republicans.

Ok. No real link yet, I'm only finding this in lefty blogs so far, but supposedly this info comes from Roll Call, which requires a paid subscription.

If this is true its just absolutely amazing and the best ammunition Obama could ask for.

LINK
classicman • Oct 9, 2008 7:29 pm
Pico and ME;491800 wrote:
If this is true its just absolutely amazing and the best ammunition Obama could ask for.


Why? This bailout was as much, if not more, a democratic plan.
Pico and ME • Oct 9, 2008 7:31 pm
lol
classicman • Oct 9, 2008 7:41 pm
go water your garden
Pico and ME • Oct 9, 2008 7:53 pm
lol
lookout123 • Oct 9, 2008 8:02 pm
You do understand that the bank was bailed out by both parties so that it might stay in business, right? a very large part of that business is loaning money to entities capable of timely repayment at an acceptable rate of return. One of the two parties that <strike>oppress<out> serve us seems a reasonably safe investment for a bank to make. Yeah, I'd say the same if it was the DNC as well.
classicman • Oct 9, 2008 8:10 pm
lookout123;491824 wrote:
You do understand that the bank was bailed out by both parties so that it might stay in business, right? a very large part of that business is loaning money to entities capable of timely repayment at an acceptable rate of return. One of the two parties that <strike>oppress<out> serve us seems a reasonably safe investment for a bank to make. Yeah, I'd say the same if it was the DNC as well.


I understand it completely. I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop. This is a perfect example of where the $115,000,000,000 in pork is gonna go. It totally pisses me off. The pork should have never been allowed in the first place - this is complete and utter bullshit. But if anyone thinks that its only going to republicans you're trippin.
Pico and ME • Oct 9, 2008 8:37 pm
It just hilarious. Yes, it may be business as usual, but please...you cant deny how it looks to the layman.
classicman • Oct 9, 2008 8:54 pm
It looks like we the taxpayers got royally fucked again. Whats your point?
tw • Oct 9, 2008 9:28 pm
classicman;491803 wrote:
Why? This bailout was as much, if not more, a democratic plan.
The support was 60/40 from the Democrats and 40/60 from the Congressional Republicans. Also 100% support from the Republican administration.

It is poltics to label it Democratic or Republican especially when the reasons to vote for or against it were so complex - and then it was chock full of $100million in pork for both parties.

The only people who did not vote for it were the moderates who disparage both Democrats and Republicans. Better is to describe it as an anti-independent plan and pro-rich business school trained management plan.

What was it really? Just another way for America to sell or mortgage itself to foreign investors.
tw • Oct 9, 2008 9:35 pm
Pico and ME;491800 wrote:
The bank that just recently called on the government for a bailout is bailing out the Republicans.

Or the Republicans took out a loan with an obscene interest rate. Then Wachovia could bundle that loan in a tranche, then sell the tranche as a security for an obscene profit. Just the Republican party coming to the aid of Wachovia.

Anybody can make any conclusions when the numbers are not provided. BTW, this is also why Limbaugh routinely avoids facts such as the numbers. Then he can promote any political agenda.
classicman • Oct 9, 2008 10:28 pm
tw;491853 wrote:
The support was 60/40 from the Democrats and 40/60 from the Congressional Republicans. Also 100% support from the Republican administration.


Why so much pork? Did they have to buy that many Democratic and Republican votes? For what reason? Perhaps because the plan does not address the fundamental issues which caused the problem in the first place. Perhaps because this is only a band aid and they know this is only the first one. There are rumblings already of another bailout. Why? Why did this bill which goes against that which many of the top economists recommendations pass at all?

Funny how the congress has an approval rating less than that of the "worst president in history" Why is that? Because they come up with a solution which does not really address the problem. Who is in charge of overseeing this? Anyone? Anyone? Why is he still employed?
tw • Oct 10, 2008 2:03 am
classicman;491859 wrote:
Why so much pork? Did they have to buy that many Democratic and Republican votes?
Who is this 'they' who is buying Democratic and Republican votes? Let's see. There are extremist Democrats and Republicans who only work for their extremist agendas. And then there are the independents who work for America. I guess you are accusing independents of buying Democrat and Republican votes.

A $700billion bailout is a joint venture of both parties with massive dissention in both parties. Nobody likes the only existing solution. So who is this 'they'?

Meanwhile, where is your 'better idea'?
classicman • Oct 10, 2008 9:51 am
Don't play coy tw it isn't becoming and I'm not playing.
Pico and ME • Oct 10, 2008 10:52 am
classicman;491847 wrote:
It looks like we the taxpayers got royally fucked again. Whats your point?



The system is totally jacked. It would look the same, I suppose, if the DRCC got the loan, but considering how the Republicans are unofficially getting the blame (I know, I know - thats why I said 'unofficially') for this financial crisis, its even more unseemly. Especially when you consider other organizations are being frozen out of getting loans right now.
lookout123 • Oct 10, 2008 11:00 am
Tell me, why are the Republicans getting the blame? There is plenty to go around. There are a couple of pretty high profile democrats who are wrapped up in the idiocy of Fannie and Freddie. Do you not focus on that consciously or is it subconscious? Republicans do the same thing - they only focus on the bad guys from the other party. Stupid.
Pico and ME • Oct 10, 2008 11:04 am
unofficially getting the blame (I know, I know - thats why I said 'unofficially')


That was me acknowledging your point Lookout. Unconventional and uneducated wisdom is laying the blame at a republican administration, is it not? This loan is only going to add fuel to that fire. Or maybe not. What do I know.
tw • Oct 10, 2008 1:14 pm
lookout123;491962 wrote:
Tell me, why are the Republicans getting the blame? There is plenty to go around. There are a couple of pretty high profile democrats who are wrapped up in the idiocy of Fannie and Freddie.
Yes there are many politicians in both parties that were legally bribed by both Franny and Freddy. But the Republicans led this charge to deregulate everything. Republicans threatened to remove all funding to the SEC when Clinton tried to increase SEC funding after a long series of corporate scandals were about to pop one after another.

After Enron was discovered, both Republicans and Democrats tried to increase SEC funding. Harvey Pitts represented the administration attitude when he refused that funding during his Congressional testimony. The Republicans whose political agenda demanded total deregulation - those exxtremist Republicans dominated the George Jr administration. Moderate Replublicans were driven out of George Jr's administration for opposing political agendas.

Some industries need minimal regulation. The computer industry has little because the computer industry has been so responsible. The auto industry has massive regulation because historically, the auto industry refused to innovate until required by that regulation. The industry that needs most regulation is the industry most chock full of greed and self serving people - the financial industry.

As one white haired analyst explained, the problem people reside mostly is 'tails' of a normal distribution curve. With proper regulation, these shady types make little money and suffer repeated regulatory punishment for their actions. Deregulate and those shady types start making big money. This causes the center part of that distribution curve to see those profits and migrate to that 'tail'. We call this a herd mentality. The herd in mass numbers moved into equities without due diligence because deregulation made it profitable to live iin that 'tail' area; to do as only the shady people did.

ARMs bundled in tranches, SIVs, CDOs etc made it popular and profitable for finance types to operate as their shady peers without punishment - to not even know what risks were inside those mortgage backed securities. Deregulation pushed by the political agenda of this administration cause the herd to operate without due diligence that was once a routine and standard practice.

Economics will take revenge. The herd will stampede back to the center of that distribution curve. This finance market meltdown is how economic forces punish the herd.
classicman • Oct 10, 2008 1:33 pm
Pico and ME;491966 wrote:
Unconventional and uneducated wisdom is laying the blame at a republican administration, is it not? This loan is only going to add fuel to that fire. Or maybe not. What do I know.


Only wacko extremists who drink their parties Kool Aid are blaming it entirely on "the other party." This problem began a long time ago. As long as they were getting paid off they all took the money and buried their heads until they got all they could out of it.