Dear Ms. Palin

Sheldonrs • Sep 8, 2008 1:07 pm
And the REAL difference between a Soccer Mom and a Pitbull is;
if a Pitbull bites you, you can have it put to sleep!
Shawnee123 • Sep 8, 2008 1:08 pm
:notworthy:
Trilby • Sep 8, 2008 1:12 pm
WHERE do I get one????
Sheldonrs • Sep 8, 2008 1:35 pm
Brianna;482012 wrote:
WHERE do I get one????


http://t-shirts.cafepress.com/item/jesus-christ-was-a-community-organizer-and-pontiu/302217280

They might have buttons too.
Radar • Sep 8, 2008 7:52 pm
Sheldonrs;482007 wrote:
And the REAL difference between a Soccer Mom and a Pitbull is;
if a Pitbull bites you, you can have it put to sleep!


That is seriously a cool button. :)

I'd like to have that on a bumper sticker.
Big Sarge • Sep 8, 2008 8:13 pm
I have to admit that is pretty good
ZenGum • Sep 8, 2008 9:21 pm
Ouch!
One of the few redeeming features of long political campaigns, we do occasionally get to see some real zingers.
Elspode • Sep 8, 2008 11:30 pm
Got the following email from some Pagan friends this evening. Interesting, I think. Most of the books that I ever read that resulted in me thinking the way I do, contributing to the person I have become, are on this list, except for "Stranger in a Strange Land".

I take it, therefore, that Ms Palin doesn't think much of people like me, and therefore I now officially think that she can go and fuck herself.

> From: Dan Sullivan

Dr. Sullivan is a Jesuit educated professor at the University of Illinois,
specializing in topics such as "The Crustal Stresses of Neutron Stars". He is a small businessman who renovates old houses in depressed areas of his home city and resells them in order to revive depressed neighborhoods.


When I was 13 a Vincintian priest told our class about the "Holy"
Index of Forbidden Books. He said that one author condemned by the
Church was Alexander Dumas. I had just read the Three Musketeers and loved it. He told me in confession that the Church condemned his books because the condoned dueling. I later discovered it was because the villain in the stories was Cardinal Richelieu, whose
objective was to make the church and state one entity.

At 14 I found a list of condemned books at the Los Angeles Public
Library and read as many as I could find. Charles Keating, the Savings and Loan fraud criminal (and early bankroller for Senator John McCain) and his Legion of Decency created a list of condemned movies and books. Somehow cheating people out of their savings and taking dirty money to get elected isn't immoral??? So I've tried to see every condemned movie since.

Below is a list of the books Governor Sarah Palin tried to have
banned from the Wasilla, Alaska Library. When the Wasilla librarian refused to trash these books, Mayor Palin tried to have her fired. (This somehow adds up to administrative experience). This caused a stir in Wasilla, which then turned into a drive to protect the librarian.
This list is taken from the official minutes of the Wasilla Library
Board.

> > A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
> > A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L’Engle
> > Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
> > As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
> > Blubber by Judy Blume
> > Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
> > Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
> > Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
> > Carrie by Stephen King
> > Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
> > Christine by Stephen King
> > Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
> > Cujo by Stephen King
> > Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
> > Daddy’s Roommate by Michael Willhoite
> > Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
> > Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
> > Decameron by Boccaccio
> > East of Eden by John Steinbeck
> > Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
> > Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
> > Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
> > Forever by Judy Blume
> > Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
> > Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
> > Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone by J.K. Rowling
> > Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
> > Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
> > Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
> > Have to Go by Robert Munsch
> > Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
> > How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
> > Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
> > I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
> > Impressions edited by Jack Booth
> > In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
> > It’s Okay if You Don’t Love Me by Norma Klein
> > James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
> > Lady Chatterley’s Lover by D.H. Lawrence
> > Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
> > Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
> > Lord of the Flies by William Golding
> > Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
> > Lysistrata by Aristophanes
> > More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
> > My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher
Collier
> > My House by Nikki Giovanni
> > My Friend Flicka by Mary O’Hara
> > Night Chills by Dean Koontz
> > Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
> > On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
> > One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
> > One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest by Ken Kesey
> > One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
> > Ordinary People by Judith Guest
> > Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women’s Health Collective
> > Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
> > Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
> > Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz
> > Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
> > Separate Peace by John Knowles
> > Silas Marner by George Eliot
> > Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
> > Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
> > The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
> > The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
> > The Bastard by John Jakes
> > The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
> > The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
> > The Color Purple by Alice Walker
> > The Devil’s Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
> > The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
> > The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
> > The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
> > The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood
> > The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
> > The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
> > The Living Bible by William C. Bower
> > The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
> > The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman
> > The Pigman by Paul Zindel
> > The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
> > The Shining by Stephen King
> > The Witches by Roald Dahl
> > The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
> > Then Again, Maybe I Won’t by Judy Blume
> > To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
> > Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
> > Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff
> > Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween
> > Symbols by Edna Barth

Chris Hedges wrote the book on people like Sarah Palin.
It ' s called American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War On
America


It would be awesome if someone could find out that this in untrue, but somehow, I'm thinking it isn't.
Elspode • Sep 8, 2008 11:32 pm
Snopes sez "untrue".

http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp

However, they do confirm that Palin conducted discussions about the possibility of removing objectionable books from the Wasilla Library, so that still makes me think that she can continue to fuck herself. Apparently, she only asked the librarian what she would do if she asked her to remove certain books. Perhaps she was just testing the librarian's resolve to not get involved in book banning? :) The only objectionable book I can think of is one that might explode while you are reading it.
Urbane Guerrilla • Sep 9, 2008 12:23 am
So, some Democratic operatives or wannabes are lying like bear rugs about Republicans.

Such persons should be made into urinals.

And some people around here still think the Dems deserve votes? My God are you easily duped.
BrianR • Sep 9, 2008 12:34 am
I've read nineteen of that list...I'll have to go read more.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 9, 2008 12:42 am
Book banning. This is just getting downright medieval. It’s out now that Sarah Palin, while mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, tried to fire City Librarian Dorothy Emmons for not agreeing to remove “objectionable books” from the Wasilla Public Library. Dorothy Emmons, to her credit, and the credit of librarians everywhere, refused. Something about….which amendment was that?….oh, that’s right….the FIRST ONE.

Here’s what happened after Palin asked the librarian if she’d be “alright” with removing books that Palin found unacceptable.

According to news coverage at the time, the librarian said she would definitely not be all right with it. A few months later, the librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, got a letter from Palin telling her she was going to be fired. The censorship issue was not mentioned as a reason for the firing. The letter just said the new mayor felt Emmons didn’t fully support her and had to go.

Emmons had been city librarian for seven years and was well liked. After a wave of public support for her, Palin relented and let Emmons keep her job.

The question everyone wants to know is, “What books was she trying to ban?” Unfortunately, no concrete information exists on this…yet. Emmons has not been reached for comment, but may be able to shed some light, especially since she now lives in another part of the state and is no longer in Wasilla, where perceived “Sarah bashing” can be risky.

But until then, I present for your literary amusement, a random selection of “the most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century” as compiled by Newt Gingrich’s conservative online cabal known as “Human Events”. Presumably, knowing what we do about Palin’s ideology, it doesn’t seem unreasonable to assume any or all of these would be on the hit list. (No link provided to Human Events because, trust me, …you don’t want to go there)

Das Kapital, The Feminine Mystique, The Communist Manifesto, The Course of Positive Philosophy, Beyond Good and Evil, Mein Kampf, On Liberty, Introduction to Psychoanalysis, Silent Spring, Coming of Age in Samoa and….wait for it…The Origin of Species by Charles Darwin. And I’ll go ahead and do some wild speculation that the name Harry Potter may come up. It wouldn’t surprise me.

Ironically, the first time I remember Sarah Palin being portrayed in the national media was in a piece on the Daily Show where she was salaciously compared to a “naughty librarian.” I’d like to claim my very own Lloyd Bentsen moment right now and say to Sarah Palin, “I know librarians. Librarians are friends of mine. Governor, you’re no librarian.”

From
Undertoad • Sep 9, 2008 1:12 am
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Moreover, although Palin fired Emmons as part of a "loyalty" purge, she rehired Emmons the next day, and Emmons remained at her job for two-and-a-half more years. Actually, Palin initially requested Emmons’ resignation in October 1996, four days before the public discussion of censorship. That was at the same time she requested that all four of Wasilla’s department heads resign. Palin described the requests as a loyalty test and allowed all four department heads to retain their positions. But on Jan. 30, 1997, three months after the censorship discussion, Palin informed Emmons and Wasilla’s police chief, Irv Stambaugh, that they would be fired. According to the Chicago Tribune, Palin did not list censorship as a reason for Emmons’ firing. Palin rehired Emmons the following day. Emmons continued to serve as librarian until August 1999, when the Chicago Tribune reports that she resigned.


factcheck.org
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skysidhe • Sep 9, 2008 1:19 am
AND http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp


I've not heard of factcheck before. Thanks
Shawnee123 • Sep 9, 2008 10:29 am
Dear Ms Palin:

Bite me, bitch.

:lol:
Sheldonrs • Sep 9, 2008 11:54 am
I looked through factcheck and it seems VERY partial to McCain.
Undertoad • Sep 9, 2008 1:00 pm
In our highly divided society, it is critical to listen to both sides in order to triangulate on the truth.
Shawnee123 • Sep 9, 2008 4:37 pm
I like her Fozzie Bear smile!
Nirvana • Sep 9, 2008 4:50 pm
Yah but she has barracuda teeth! :eek:
Trilby • Sep 9, 2008 4:50 pm
Undertoad;482407 wrote:
In our highly divided society, it is critical to listen to both sides in order to triangulate on the truth.


I like that. Might use it in a science or social studies paper later; you kewl with dat?
Shawnee123 • Sep 9, 2008 4:52 pm
Undertoad;482407 wrote:
In our highly divided society, it is critical to listen to both sides in order to strangulate on the truth.


Fixed it for ya
Sheldonrs • Sep 9, 2008 6:17 pm
When I first saw her, I was wondering what the heck was Karen from "Will and Grace" doing at the RNC.:rollanim:
Elspode • Sep 9, 2008 11:49 pm
Urbane Guerrilla;482257 wrote:
So, some Democratic operatives or wannabes are lying like bear rugs about Republicans.

Such persons should be made into urinals.

And some people around here still think the Dems deserve votes? My God are you easily duped.


Hey, I did check after I thought better of it. If you can explain to me why she was asking the librarian what would happen if she was asked to remove certain books, I could feel a lot better about it, even though the list itself was a hoax.

She was probably testing the librarian to make sure she wouldn't bow to censorship. Yeah, I'm sure that was it.
Elspode • Sep 9, 2008 11:52 pm
Undertoad;482277 wrote:
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So...what? She was just playing fuck fuck with civil servants? Loyalty test? WTF? Doesn't that smack of totalitarianism somehow?
Pico and ME • Sep 9, 2008 11:54 pm
I thought the loyalty test thing was...kinda weird. That isnt normal SOP, is it?
Elspode • Sep 10, 2008 12:01 am
Depends on which oligarchy you're living in, I guess.
Undertoad • Sep 10, 2008 9:20 am
If you can explain to me why she was asking the librarian what would happen if she was asked to remove certain books, I could feel a lot better about it

That's what I would ask a librarian, if I were in charge. If she told me to fuck off I'd hire her.

And it appears that's what Palin did.
Sheldonrs • Sep 10, 2008 9:55 am
Undertoad;482672 wrote:
That's what I would ask a librarian, if I were in charge. If she told me to fuck off I'd hire her.

And it appears that's what Palin did.


Well if all it takes for you to hire someone is to have them tell you to fuck off, we'd all be hired!! lol!!!

(sorry, couldn't resist) :D
Sundae • Sep 10, 2008 10:39 am
I'm not a Palin fan, but I am honestly not Palin-bashing when I admit to being completely baffled by what I understand of the loyalty test. What I get so far is she asked a number of people to resign - to test their loyalty - then hired them again.

If that is the case - and I accept I may have the wrong end of the stick - in this country it would be considered mondo weird. I have no idea what my reply would be if my boss asked me to do that, but I'm oretty sure I know what my nearest and dearest would advise me - don't you dare, and start looking for another job in the meantime!
Shawnee123 • Sep 10, 2008 11:17 am
I agree, SG.

On CBS news they did a reality check on how she says (over and over and over) that she said to Congress "Thanks but no thanks" to the Bridge to Nowhere. Actually, she asked for the earmark, received some funding, and when the feds backed out she kept the money for other transportation needs. Story here.

McCain has a clean bill when it comes to earmarks: he has been honest in that he did not ask for earmarks. Palin is just telling a story. That can't be good for the McCain campaign, if everyone is interested in truthiness as they claim to be.
Undertoad • Sep 10, 2008 11:24 am
It seems like most Palin criticism involves cherry picking information. Here's the missing context in the CBS News story:

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1220603536159570.xml&coll=2&thispage=2

For fiscal 2007, the administration of former Gov. Frank Murkowski submitted 63 earmark requests totaling $350 million, Palin's staff said.

That slid to 52 earmarks valued at $256 million in Palin's first year.

This year, the governor's office asked the delegation to help it land 31 earmarks valued at $197 million.

Why the gradual move away from earmarks? Palin recognized that Alaska's coffers were overflowing with revenue from oil profits and felt it was almost unseemly for the state to press so aggressively for federal money, said John Katz, who heads the Alaska governor's Washington, D.C., office.

In December 2007, Palin's budget director put out a memo urging state officials who were assembling their department spending plans to reserve earmarks for compelling needs only, in an effort to "enhance the state's credibility."

"When she took office, we talked about the state's reliance on federal earmarks and she made it clear for several reasons she wanted to significantly cut back on that reliance," Katz said.


What's the larger context of the "loyalty test"? We don't know. Larger context of "troopergate"? We don't know.
Shawnee123 • Sep 10, 2008 11:28 am
And most of her accolades involve picking the other cherries. That's all I'm saying. Quit playing Ms Virtue, Ms Palin, to fool the peoples.
Clodfobble • Sep 10, 2008 12:41 pm
Sundae Girl wrote:
I'm not a Palin fan, but I am honestly not Palin-bashing when I admit to being completely baffled by what I understand of the loyalty test. What I get so far is she asked a number of people to resign - to test their loyalty - then hired them again.

If that is the case - and I accept I may have the wrong end of the stick - in this country it would be considered mondo weird. I have no idea what my reply would be if my boss asked me to do that, but I'm oretty sure I know what my nearest and dearest would advise me - don't you dare, and start looking for another job in the meantime!


We have some weird rituals involving new administrations. Especially when a new party comes in, tons and tons of staff members who have nothing to do with the actual politics of things are fired simply to fill the jobs with people who are perceived to be loyal to the party.

In fact, even when the administration itself doesn't change--when a President is re-elected for a second term, it is apparently common practice for his entire staff and cabinet to tender their resignation. Most are hired back, but it is seen as an acknowledgement that things may change with the new term, and sort of gives the President an "out" from having to awkwardly fire a bunch of people he may want to get rid of, or promote, or just move to different spots in the administration.

It only happens in politics, no other boss in the country would expect something like that.
lookout123 • Sep 10, 2008 12:45 pm
I don't know if it is true or not, but I read that pretty much everyone on the presidential staff signs their resignation letter the same day they're hired and it is just kept in a file until such time as it is needed.
Sundae • Sep 10, 2008 1:01 pm
Thank you, that does help.
glatt • Sep 10, 2008 1:02 pm
That's all true for Presidents, but I wouldn't say it's common practice for most towns of 5,000, or for librarians.
lookout123 • Sep 10, 2008 1:03 pm
eh, those crazy alaskans, you know. choosing to live in that cold should have been the first hint that some wires might be crossed.
Clodfobble • Sep 10, 2008 1:14 pm
Wait, did she do it when she became mayor, or when she became governor?
glatt • Sep 10, 2008 1:19 pm
Clodfobble;482802 wrote:
Wait, did she do it when she became mayor, or when she became governor?


mayor. But maybe she did it as governor too. I don't know.