The Truth About John McCain's Heroism

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The Dems got swiftboaters too. :haha:

Not really. The swiftboaters were lying. These people aren't.

Of course they aren't lying - they agree with you.

This is a sad old man on a crusade of misinformation. These charges have been raised before, and laid to rest.

Wrong. They have not been laid to rest. They have been proven to be factual.[COLOR=Black]

[/COLOR][SIZE=2][COLOR=Black]This document is a transcript of a Hanoi correspondent broadcast to Cuba quoting newly captured POW John McCain detailing U.S. military information about U.S. bombing operations over North Vietnam. The broadcast was transmitted in English on November 09, 1967 and intercepted by U.S. intelligence[/COLOR][/SIZE]

McCain Interview - Cuba Radio Broadcast - November 9, 1967
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[/COLOR][SIZE=2][COLOR=Black]This document is a transcript of a North Vietnamese news service article, translated from French to English. "Nhan Dan today published answers to questions by one of its correspondents made by a U.S. air pirate detained in North Vietnam. "He is Lt. John Sidney McCain . . ." Hanoi VNA International Service in French - November 9, 1967[/COLOR][/SIZE][COLOR=Black]
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McCain Interview - Nhan Dan News Service - November 9, 1967[COLOR=Black]


[/COLOR][SIZE=2][COLOR=Black]This document is a transcript of an "exclusive" interview of newly captured POW John McCain by "prominent" French television reporter Francois Chalais - January 1968, The interview was broadcast in French to Europe.[/COLOR][/SIZE]

McCain Interview - Francois Chalais - January 1968
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[/COLOR][SIZE=2][COLOR=Black]Transcript of John McCain's June 2, 1969 radio broadcast beamed into South Vietnam in response to Defense Secretary Melvin S. Laird, May 19, plea that North Vietnam treat U.S. prisoners according to the humanitarian standards set forth by the Geneva Convention.[/COLOR][/SIZE]

McCain Interview - Radio Broadcast South Vietnam - June 2, 1969[COLOR=Black]


[/COLOR][SIZE=2][COLOR=Black]This document is a transcript of an "exclusive" interview of POW John McCain by Spanish psychiatrist Dr. Fernando Barral. The meeting between Barral and POW McCain took away from the POW camp in an office of the Committee for Foreign Cultural Relations in Hanoi. The interview was published January 24, 1970 in Havana, Cuba.[/COLOR][/SIZE]

McCain Interview - Dr. Fernando Barral - January 24, 1970

when i first came to the cellar i thought radar was a caricature of a libertarian. now he seems a caricature of himself. :(

I'm too lazy to follow all those links and watch all those vids at work.
Anyone care to tell me what the difference between the various accounts of what happened are?

Did any of you read the text of these "documents" provided by Task Force Omega, INC (what a name!)? Have any of you ever heard an American use terms like, "They flew very fast, very strongly." Man read these transcripts. Do you honestly believe a US Naval Academy graduate would use that sentence structure? Also, much of this information was released through Cuba. Lord Radar, you are really grasping for straws

Sorry Zen, but that's a matter of perspective. Then again I'm sure the poster would be glad to tell you what to think.

Radar;481683 wrote:

Not really. The swiftboaters were lying. These people aren't.

Okay, register Radar not as LIB on the voter registration lists, but as DEM (toetag).

Wasn't it T. Boone Pickens who put up one million dollars, kept in a special account, as an award for anyone who could prove Unfit For Command was either lying or in error... and that money is still there since '04, every cent? I presume the account is interest bearing.

If you really had the wherewithal to prove your silly notion, Paul, you could make a million off of Pickens. I don't think this will happen. You shall instead mentally masturbate, and post the occasional ejaculation here.

This year, the Libertarian Party is running Bob Barr who is not a libertarian in the slightest. That is to say, he's exactly as libertarian as you are.

The Bush administration did more damage to America than any other president in American history including Lincoln, FDR, Taft, Wilson, Clinton, and Nixon.

McCain will continue his failed and destructive policies and he'll most likely die while in office leaving us with an airheaded neocon. Bush nearly destroyed America, and they would finish the job.

This year will be no different. Either a Republican or a Democrat will win. So my choice is to pick the candidate that is least offensive to true libertarians. Normally, I'd vote for the libertarian candidate, but since the LP is no longer run by actual libertarians and they are running a candidate who isn't a libertarian, I'm going to go with Obama.

I don't like him as a candidate, but he is leaps and bounds better than Barr or McCain. He will end the blatantly unconstitutional and wholly unlibertarian war in Iraq.

Quote Radar "I'm going to go with Obama.
I don't like him as a candidate, but he is leaps and bounds better than Barr or McCain. He will end the ~snip~ war in Iraq."

Sure he will - and he'll lower taxes and give us Universal Healthcare and and and and ad nauseum. He won't do squat just like the rest of them - He delivers a speech VERY well, but I don't see any substance behind it. I have similar negative views on the other guy too - too old too outdated too far right... The direction of America for at least the next four years is at stake and it doesn't look good no matter who gets elected.

These guys look at winning the election as the end, when it should be the beginning of an opportunity to serve and better this country.

Urbane Guerrilla;482282 wrote:

Wasn't it T. Boone Pickens who put up one million dollars, kept in a special account, as an award for anyone who could prove Unfit For Command was either lying or in error... and that money is still there since '04, every cent

Sorta. When Kerry provided proof of the lies, Pickens reneged. So the money is still there, but it's no longer an award for proving the lies. It's just an embarrassing reminder of the swift boaters' dishonesty.

lookout123;481982 wrote:

when i first came to the cellar i thought radar was a caricature of a libertarian. now he seems a caricature of himself. :(

Yeah, I think I accused UT of using Radar as a sock puppet after leaving the party. Sorry.:headshake He convinces noone, but alienates many.

Not only will he end the ILLEGAL / UNCONSTITUTIONAL war in Iraq, he will have a Democratic Congress behind him. He will have no obstacles to prevent him from doing everything he has said he would do.

In much the same way George W. Bush had a Republican Congress for 6 years, he can pretty much get anything he wants. The only difference is Bush and Cheney wanted to fuck America and destroy it, and Obama wants to repair their damage.

Radar;482511 wrote:

He will have no obstacles to prevent him from doing everything he has said he would do.

Filibuster.

now that's just ignorant. he'll have NO OBSTACLES?!? he's a fucking politician. the biggest obstacle will always be the question "will this give me more or less power?" he'll make noises about the war and change some things around but in the end he will go about he same basic plan on the same basic schedule.

Radar NO ONE who is halfway competent/connected enough to get near public office would even consider just picking the troops up, bringing them home, and saying "sorry folks, our bad". it won't happen.

NOBODY who is competent or intelligent would have sent the troops to Iraq in the first place. Obama will be able to bring the troops back without any help from anyone in Congress. As president, all he has to do is order it.

It will happen. Not only should he bring them back, he should apologize to the people of Iraq for George W. Bush starting an unwarranted, unprovoked, and unconstitutional war of aggression against them.

They will be free to determine their own destiny at that point.

It will happen.

are you really this naive in real life, or is it just your internet persona?

Radar;482735 wrote:

Obama will be able to bring the troops back without any help from anyone in Congress. It will happen. They will be free to determine their own destiny at that point.

It will happen.

Not in his presidency.

Radar;482735 wrote:

They will be free to determine their own destiny at that point.

Oh and America and the coalition forces helped to get them to that point - maybe?? Just a little?? perhaps ya think??? Sheesh!

classicman;482755 wrote:

Not in his presidency.

Within the first year and a half of his presidency, the last troops will have left Iraq.

classicman;482778 wrote:

Oh and America and the coalition forces helped to get them to that point - maybe?? Just a little?? perhaps ya think??? Sheesh!

Not at all. They were free to determine their own destiny before we ever went there. The destiny they had chosen was to have Saddam Hussein rule them. If they wanted something else, they could have overcome Saddam and his forces without any help from America.

Radar;482735 wrote:

Obama will be able to bring the troops back without any help from anyone in Congress. As president, all he has to do is order it.

classicman;482755 wrote:

Not in his presidency.

Radar;482919 wrote:

Within the first year and a half of his presidency, the last troops will have left Iraq.

You guys should put both prediction on the Cellar's calendar.

I see another one of Radar's predictions on the calendar is coming up in a week and a half.

Radar;482919 wrote:

Within the first year and a half of his presidency, the last troops will have left Iraq.

So by June or July of 2010 all American troops will be out of Iraq? I'll lay $1000 to you and only you right now to put up or shut up. UT can hold the money till then and earn the interest for the tip mug.





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This whole thread by Radar and his links and comments are just laughable. I don't see why you waste time responding to this BS.