The Phoenix Has Landed, or Hope Icy.

Not bad for a spacecraft made from spare parts :)

Interesting but I don't think it is worth the costs.

The High Frontier is an expensive one to get to, but Earth is too small and fragile a basket to carry all our eggs in.

H2O in any state means it's practical to live there.

Will be interesting to see whether its H2O like yours, or has other stuff in it.

I mean, we are gonna fuck this one up soon enough, we better start looking for the next one.

DucksNuts wrote:

Will be interesting to see whether its H2O like yours, or has other stuff in it.

Oh rest assured, almost all our H20 has plenty of other stuff in it these days. :)

Urbane Guerrilla;457188 wrote:

H2O in any state means it's practical to live there.

Disagree, maybe possible, but not practical. Practical, would be taking better care of this planet.

xoxoxoBruce;457270 wrote:

Disagree, maybe possible, but not practical. Practical, would be taking better care of this planet.

I agree. The costs we are sinking into things like the space station are staggering.

TheMercenary;457272 wrote:

The costs we are sinking into things like the space station are staggering.

Apples and oranges... the costs of sending people into space (let alone keeping them there for long periods of time) are astronomical (sorry) compared to those for planetary probes. Consider that the cost of the Phoenix mission is comparable to that of ONE space shuttle launch ("comparable" as in ~$530 million vs. ~$450 million--and that $450 million doesn't, of course, include the cost of the vehicle itself, $1.7 billion in the case of Endeavour.).

IMO the money we're spending on unmanned planetary probes is a defensible expenditure in terms of the science we get back from it. But if you want to argue against it, that's a completely different animal than the space station.

Photo of Phoenix landing:

http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00001464/

TheMercenary;456978 wrote:

Interesting but I don't think it is worth the costs.

These exploratory spacecraft are inexpensive. Only 10% of the NASA budget is spent on what does all the science - unmanned spacecraft. The 90% spent on manned programs has yet to be doing any useful science. $80billion on a space station that was only supposed to cost $8billion - and it still has never done any useful science.

Many of the research from Venus and Mars have resulted in insights into how our own world works and how we can screw it up. If concerned for protecting this planet, then unmanned missions to other solar system bodies are essential research.

And the Hope Icy gets stronger: the pictures show polygonal terrain. Permafrost, baby!

I heard that there are radio transmission problems with the Phoenix, lending additional credence to my theory that the Martians do not want us poking about on their planet while immeasurably superior minds regard Earth with envious eyes, and slowly and deliberately, they draw their plans against us.

Come on, think about it ... how many of the recent missions to Mars got screwed up because of technical problems, entire vehicles getting lost, etc.

I'm not the only one who sees it this way.

Vast, cool, and unsympathetic, hey? Or only half-vast? :cool:

But seriously, last I heard they got the glitches sorted.

"It's -- no -- fun, bein' an illegal :alien: " [/80's music]

So now to further our research NASA has promised to pay the Russians 19 million dollars to install a second toilet on the space station next year. And we are about to lauch a space shuttle to take a frigging pump part to the space station to fix the existing toilet...

Now what was that you all were saying about how important it is to have the space station and how it was small change??

19 Million is small change for the government.

The space shuttle was going to be launched anyway. There's no special launch for the pump.

Happy Monkey;457941 wrote:

19 Million is small change for the government.

The space shuttle was going to be launched anyway. There's no special launch for the pump.

Tell that to all the people who are struggling to pay their bills. Let me see if I can find out how 19 million and the cost of a space shuttle launch combined would help out the people here or help to close our pourous borders to the horde.

Hey, people struggling to pay your bills:

19 Million is small change for the government.

The space shuttle was going to be launched anyway. There's no special launch for the pump.

Happy Monkey;457979 wrote:

Hey, people struggling to pay your bills:

19 Million is small change for the government.

The space shuttle was going to be launched anyway. There's no special launch for the pump.

Sure, try to cover your liberal view of the world... dude, this will haunt you. :D

Ok, 500 million is chump change to you...

Again tell it to those trying to pay the bills...

A7. What does a single shuttle launch cost?
[written by Dwayne Allen Day]

About $400-500 million. This is just the cost of the 8 or so missions per year divided into the total cost of the program per year. Adding another mission to the ones already planned costs about $100 million or so. If you work in the development costs, then the cost of each shuttle mission can be as high as $1.5 billion, but this number keeps going down as more and more shuttles are launched and the development costs are amortized over more total flights.

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/4411/faq-a.htm

I think we should just sit back and smile at the pretty lights in the sky.

TheMercenary;457983 wrote:

About $400-500 million.

2-3 days worth of Iraq. And already budgeted for.

And I didn't say that the shuttle was small change, I said that the toilet was, and the fact that a toilet broke...

TheMercenary;457931 wrote:

Now what was that you all were saying about how important it is to have the space station and how it was small change??

...isn't some sort of revelatory experience.

It must be good to be a Happy Monkey. Your web monkey is funny.

Help in on the way. ;)

:lol2:

Bruce, you slay me.

TheMercenary;457931 wrote:

So now to further our research NASA has promised to pay the Russians 19 million dollars to install a second toilet on the space station next year. And we are about to lauch a space shuttle to take a frigging pump part to the space station to fix the existing toilet...

Now what was that you all were saying about how important it is to have the space station and how it was small change??

you need to read tws post again...

These exploratory spacecraft are inexpensive. Only 10% of the NASA budget is spent on what does all the science - unmanned spacecraft. The 90% spent on manned programs has yet to be doing any useful science. $80billion on a space station that was only supposed to cost $8billion - and it still has never done any useful science.

unmanned robots don't need a toilet.

My posts agree that the manned program is to expensive. I accept that it is cheaper for unmanned programs. If we go all un-manned that means we should be able to trim their budget by 90% and they can still do what they want to do.

OK, this clinches it. Martians only have 4 toes.

Somewhere a Martian is missing his foot...

Phoenix landed on his leg, and he had to chew his foot off before picture was taken.