Plastic Bag Solution

xoxoxoBruce • May 25, 2008 2:01 pm
A Canadian 11th grader, as a science project, has isolated the microbe that eats plastic bags. It's not the ultimate solution, but it is a major step toward it.
He knew plastic does eventually degrade, and figured microorganisms must be behind it. His goal was to isolate the microorganisms that can break down plastic -- not an easy task because they don't exist in high numbers in nature.
Probably a research lab could have done this long ago, but there hasn't been any substantial interest (money) in this kind of research. They're to busy looking for things they can sell.
To identify the bacteria in his culture, he let them grow on agar plates and found he had four types of microbes. He tested those on more plastic strips and found only the second was capable of significant plastic degradation.

Next, Burd tried mixing his most effective strain with the others. He found strains one and two together produced a 32 per cent weight loss in his plastic strips. His theory is strain one helps strain two reproduce.
What if they scientifically increase the number of these rare microbes in the world and they start eating everything made of plastic... the microbe that devoured walmart!
The inputs are cheap, maintaining the required temperature takes little energy because microbes produce heat as they work, and the only outputs are water and tiny levels of carbon dioxide -- each microbe produces only 0.01 per cent of its own infinitesimal weight in carbon dioxide, said Burd.

Think this kid will have trouble getting a job, after he's used up the scholarships he's won?

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Trilby • May 25, 2008 3:33 pm
when I saw the title of this thread I immediately thought someone had killed themself.


whew.

glad it's just more nerd mongering.
sweetwater • May 25, 2008 7:26 pm
Is Burd certain that living things eating plastic will not form some sort of mutant beings - maybe tiny Borgs - plastic bacteria Borgs - Burd Borg Bacteria!
xoxoxoBruce • May 25, 2008 9:41 pm
Are high school kids certain of anything?
Come to think of it, is there anything they are not certain of?

I see the fly in the ointment here, is the bags have to be gathered and put into this cooker. If they gather them up, why not just melt them down and reuse the plastic?
tw • May 25, 2008 10:07 pm
xoxoxoBruce;456883 wrote:
I see the fly in the ointment here, is the bags have to be gathered and put into this cooker. If they gather them up, why not just melt them down and reuse the plastic?
The average cost of recovering plastic retail bags is somwhere between $1.25 and $1.50 per bag. Which plastics do you want to recover / recycle?
xoxoxoBruce • May 25, 2008 10:35 pm
Recovering? It that the term for reusing the plastic?
Are grocery bags made of one of the bad plastics, unlike beverage bottles, that is hard to recycle?
tw • May 25, 2008 11:44 pm
xoxoxoBruce;456897 wrote:
Are grocery bags made of one of the bad plastics, unlike beverage bottles, that is hard to recycle?
So which type of plastic does these bacteria eat? Or are these bacteria so destructive as to become an Andromeda Strain? All those women with plastic surgeons are in trouble.
xoxoxoBruce • May 25, 2008 11:50 pm
Whatever type they make plastic bags from, that's all he tested. The article didn't say what type of bags, either... shopping? trash? sandwich?
I still don't understand where you came up with $1.25/$1.50 per bag?
Clodfobble • May 26, 2008 12:05 am
Looks to me like a grocery bag in the article photo.
xoxoxoBruce • May 26, 2008 12:21 am
The ones around here are white or brown (cardboard color), but that one may have been nom nom nomed by the microbes.
tw • May 26, 2008 2:01 am
xoxoxoBruce;456915 wrote:
I still don't understand where you came up with $1.25/$1.50 per bag?
I thought you were male. Do you not fear what these microbes might do to beauty in Silicon Valley? We must put fear into perspective. 20-20 and 90-60-90 are numbers that must be protected.

Sorry. I get distracted by things that are actually important. What was that question? Oh. What kind of plastic would be consumed? That plastic is a problem only when it goes where recylcing (and microbes) cannot get at it. Sounds like these microbes are a solution still looking for a problem.

Plastics that are problematic are ones that escape the recycling bin. That microbe solution is woefully ill-defined by unanswered questions such as which type of plastics get eaten, what are those plastics converted into, why is this method better than existing recycling methods, and what will protect those medical wonders from Silicon Valley?
Clodfobble • May 26, 2008 10:23 am
tw wrote:
The average cost of recovering plastic retail bags is somwhere between $1.25 and $1.50 per bag. Which plastics do you want to recover / recycle?


tw wrote:
That plastic is a problem only when it goes where recylcing (and microbes) cannot get at it. Sounds like these microbes are a solution still looking for a problem.


How is $1.25/$1.50 per bag not a problem? And please, once again, tell us where you got that number. Numbers without evidence are just lies, as I'm sure you know.
Flint • May 26, 2008 10:34 am
Wait...have we asked the topmost questions?
binky • May 26, 2008 11:51 am
Brianna;456802 wrote:
when I saw the title of this thread I immediately thought someone had killed themself.


whew.

glad it's just more nerd mongering.


Me too Bri hmmm
xoxoxoBruce • May 26, 2008 11:55 am
tw doesn't answer questions, he just throws out bullshit and expects you to genuflect, while he runs off on another tangent.
Most of the time, I get the impression he didn't even read the first post.:rolleyes:
classicman • May 27, 2008 3:16 pm
He certainly didn't go to the link in it yet.
tw • May 27, 2008 3:29 pm
Clodfobble;456986 wrote:
How is $1.25/$1.50 per bag not a problem? And please, once again, tell us where you got that number.
Again, those numbers are only symptoms of a problem not addressed by the microbes.
Plastics that are problematic are ones that escape the recycling bin. That microbe solution is woefully ill-defined by unanswered questions such as ... why is this method better than existing recycling methods,
$1.25 etc are estimated costs per bag of recovering that plastic bag. Microbes remain an innovative solution still seeking a problem to solve. Plastics that are a problematic are plastics that escape recycling - ie $1.25+ per plastic bag.

Contrary to what xoxoxoBruce posted, the relevant point was answered then and is answered here again.

The next disaster film: Attack of the Polysysticvinyl Microbes.

Imagine, if you will, what kind of tools are found in that kid's basement that he can build a bacteria.
classicman • May 27, 2008 4:13 pm
tw;457344 wrote:
Imagine, if you will, what kind of tools are found in that kid's basement that he can build a bacteria.


Similar to those in yours?











j/k
lookout123 • May 27, 2008 4:14 pm
nah, there's only one tool in tw's basement.
tw • May 27, 2008 4:34 pm
classicman;457357 wrote:
Similar to those in yours?
Mine is full of quantum physics thought experiments. Paperless of course so as to be environmentally friendly.
DanaC • May 27, 2008 5:40 pm
So, like you've trapped a cat in a box?
HungLikeJesus • May 27, 2008 5:44 pm
Dana, aren't you supposed to be studying? (Just like I'm supposed to be working.)
DanaC • May 27, 2008 5:54 pm
Umm.....kinda....I broke off with the intention of getting to bed early and found myself back on here....
HungLikeJesus • May 27, 2008 5:58 pm
Bruce, nice pun in the title, by the way.

First, he ground plastic bags into a powder. Next, he used ordinary household chemicals, yeast and tap water to create a solution that would encourage microbe growth. To that, he added the plastic powder and dirt. Then the solution sat in a shaker at 30 degrees.
DanaC • May 27, 2008 6:00 pm
Oh! I hadn't spotted that :)
Clodfobble • May 27, 2008 7:06 pm
tw wrote:
$1.25 etc are estimated costs per bag of recovering that plastic bag.


Clodfobble wrote:
And please, once again, tell us where you got that number.
lookout123 • May 27, 2008 7:25 pm
Here allow me. OOGA OOGA BOOGA GEORGE JR!

Ifyou were smart like tw you'd already know where he got the information.How many times does he have to share his wisdom with us?
Happy Monkey • May 27, 2008 7:43 pm
I bet it's a misremembered statistic that actually refers to a large plastic bag full of plastic bags.
lumberjim • May 27, 2008 7:44 pm
Brianna;456802 wrote:
when I saw the title of this thread I immediately thought someone had killed themself.


whew.

glad it's just more nerd mongering.

har. i thought it was that one where the kid demonstrates how to seal a bag of chips with a clever fold.
lumberjim • May 27, 2008 7:49 pm
I'll give tw $1.25 to stfu!
tw • May 28, 2008 1:32 am
DanaC;457412 wrote:
So, like you've trapped a cat in a box?
You got me. I did say paperless. The box instead uses kitty litter.
TheMercenary • May 28, 2008 8:31 am
tw;457525 wrote:
You got me. I did say paperless. The box instead uses kitty litter.


So it creates waste and fills our land fill with your feces and discarded used kitty litter?
tw • May 28, 2008 10:29 pm
TheMercenary;457550 wrote:
So it creates waste and fills our land fill with your feces and discarded used kitty litter?
Recycling.

It's not a problem because its is your land fill - not ours.
TheMercenary • May 29, 2008 7:35 pm
tw;457713 wrote:
Recycling.

It's not a problem because its is your land fill - not ours.
Not.