Cruel Parents - Bad Names
I just had to call a sales person for an appliance I'm buying. She is a young white girl named Farah Khan.
I think her parents must be jerks for this. I got into an argument with someone awhile back because they named their son "Ocean White Dodson". I told them it was cruel and wrong to do that to him, and they have guaranteed that he will be picked on and get into a lot of fights and it may even effect his ability to get work later in life.
They acted like I was a big jerk for saying it. It's the truth. Kids are mean and they will pick on someone like that. Also, they are under the belief that someone's name is connected with their individualism. They accused me of being narrow-minded and suggested that having an "original" name makes the person more artistic or original.
As a father, I think it's my responsibility to make sure my children have an easier time of it than I did. I'm not saying we should all name our kids John Smith, just that we don't put our own warped sense of creativity or before the feelings of our kids. I live in L.A. where everyone thinks they're an actor and thinks spelling their name a strange way makes them cool. "Hi, my name is Cindy, but with it's spelled "Syndie" or "I'm Frank, spelled "Phrainque"
Personally speaking of I had two resumes in front of me, and one had the name "Steven Putnam" and the other had "Phrainque Johnson", the latter would have no chance at the job. I wouldn't look any further on his resume than the name. He could be the single most qualified and talented candidate, but he'd have a hard time finding work because his parents acted selfishly.
What do you think?
With a name like Ocean he'll easily get a job on a soap opera. Don't worry your pretty head about it Radar. He'll be fine. :)
Some people think Maverick is a stupid name for a child. My son loves it though. Other people think the way I spell my other sons same is wrong, but Aden is an anagram for Edna who was his great grandmother. She passed away shortly before he was born. He would have been her first great grandchild.
If a kid doesn't like their name or thinks it will affect their career prospects, they can change it when they are old enough.
Yes, but in the mean time they must suffer, get beat up, and end up hating your guts because you wanted to be "creative".
I grew up with a girl named Farah. She was actually quite popular and made fun of me...not my name, though.
Look at me, my mother named me HungLikeJesus. I'm not bitter.
What was your father's name?
My previous married name was Keene, and my best friend hounded me for weeks to name my oldest daughter Peachie :eyebrow:
This time around my last name is Fox, and she was thrilled that my middle child was to be Katherine, she was like "ooh you can nickname her Kit"
Of course she wanted to name her son Augustus, until her husband flatly refused
You would discriminate against someone based on their name? (shock) I think that's indescribably awful! I'm also trying to figure out what the problem is with "Farah Khan." (saying it to myself trying to figure out if it works out to something nasty).
My philosophy in naming my kids is short enough and common enough to be recognizable and spellable--but uncommon enough not to be everyone else's names. My kids, however named theirs . . . well, LOL! they're a lot worse!
sometimes, it's not the parents fault, i.e., when it's the last name. I come across bad names all the times in law firms name. Like: Butt. or Hitler. I mean, come on--I'd change it.
On the other hand, if you're a guy and you have a really horrible name--you can become a professional football player. Ever notice how many of those guys have awful names? (my favorite is Dick Butkus "Butt-Kiss"). I theorize that they had to toughen up because of their name, and ended up big and tough--and playing football.
What was your father's name?
Mary.
ha! My father's name was Waters Brown M_____.
He went by "Brown"
A possible problem with Farah Khan might be
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_FarrakhanHow 'bout just John He-llo! They call the bathroom!
In addition to names, one should consider initials. A friend named her daughter such that the initials spells MARS and did not notice it until I mentioned it. Initials are not as bad as names, however. Cutsie names might easily fly in one part of the country (or world, for all I know) but in others they are a definite liability. Don't blame the person who wears the name bestowed by the idiot parents - unless you are concerned that the silliness might be hereditary.
What's wrong with Farah?
Nothing wrong with Farah. But there is with Farah Khan.
A possible problem with Farah Khan might be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Farrakhan
Bingo! A young white girl named after an older outspoken Black Panther, Nation of Islam, racist, asshole. That's cruel.
I think you're a jerk. Fortunately for the world of people not named Mary and Frank, you're unlikely to be hiring many people.
I also doubt with a name like Khan, the girl was pure "white" and maybe she's proud of her heritage? If it'd've caused her grief, she'd be sure to have changed it by now.
How about you look at parenting like your job isn't necessarily to make life easier for your kid but to give them better tools for dealing with it? Yes, kids are cruel, but you're using examples from your childhood. This is a new generation. Kids with boring names are just as likely to be teased and have to be called by all their names to be distinguished from their classmates with the same name. You're out of touch. Ocean will probably go to school with an Autumn, a Summer, a Michael (female), a Sasha (male) and a Kyin (undetermined). And Emily A. Emily M, Emilee 2 Es and three Alex Woods.
my son, Attha disagrees, too.
I also doubt with a name like Khan, the girl was pure "white" and maybe she's proud of her heritage?
good point, and I'm left wondering: How do you know she was white if you only spoke to her on the telephone?
my son, Attha disagrees, too.
too right, Mr. T'pornstoreagain
good point, and I'm left wondering: How do you know she was white if you only spoke to her on the telephone?
And even if the meeting was in person, what is it with making a judgement based on skin/hair color/racial appearance?
Totally. I'm guessing LaKysha ain't getting a look-in.....
I think you're an idiot if you think naming a kid Ocean or any other retarded name is good for them. Ensuring that your kids will be picked on, and get into a lot of fights doesn't prepare them for the real world, it prepares them for psychotherapy where they will spend years trying to get over the hatred they have for their parents.
I hire my share of people. I've hired a hundred or so over the years. But there are thousands if not millions of other people like me who don't want to hire someone with tattoos on their face, or names like "Moonbeam" etc.
As far as distinguishing kids who have a different name, the content of their character, their personality, and their performance should do that...not a name. A name doesn't make you special, or interesting, or cool.
As you said, even having the same name, you MIGHT get picked on or attacked by bullies. But having a freakish name will guarantee it.
My daughter is named Nina. That's not a very common name. It's also not a freak name. I didn't name her Zamboni, or Ocean, or Lemonjello, etc.
The bottom line is if you name your kid Rainbow and they get the shit beaten out of them, or they get picked on, or they hate you, or they have a hard time finding a job... it's YOUR FAULT.
......it's pretty rich coming from someone who is married to a woman with foreign roots. Maybe he protests a little too much?
my son, Attha disagrees, too.
Attha Boy?
One of my grandbabies' middle name is Cloud, in my honor. Does that count?
......it's pretty rich coming from someone who is married to a woman with foreign roots. Maybe he protests a little too much?
Unlike the Chinese, I didn't name my child by dropping a drawer full of silverware down the stairs.... PING .... ZHAO... SUM... TING.... WONG
my son, Attha disagrees, too.
too right, Mr. T'pornstoreagain
:lol2:
Unlike the Chinese, I didn't name my child by dropping a drawer full of silverware down the stairs.... PING .... ZHAO... SUM... TING.... WONG
Racist much?
I think you're an idiot if you think naming a kid Ocean or any other retarded name is good for them. Ensuring that your kids will be picked on, and get into a lot of fights doesn't prepare them for the real world, it prepares them for psychotherapy where they will spend years trying to get over the hatred they have for their parents.
I hire my share of people. I've hired a hundred or so over the years. But there are thousands if not millions of other people like me who don't want to hire someone with tattoos on their face, or names like "Moonbeam" etc.
As far as distinguishing kids who have a different name, the content of their character, their personality, and their performance should do that...not a name. A name doesn't make you special, or interesting, or cool.
As you said, even having the same name, you MIGHT get picked on or attacked by bullies. But having a freakish name will guarantee it.
My daughter is named Nina. That's not a very common name. It's also not a freak name. I didn't name her Zamboni, or Ocean, or Lemonjello, etc.
The bottom line is if you name your kid Rainbow and they get the shit beaten out of them, or they get picked on, or they hate you, or they have a hard time finding a job... it's YOUR FAULT.
You're so out of date it's almost inbelievable. And if the prejudices of our childhood regarding names were still in place, your daughter would be in trouble because Nina would be considered an old lady's name. But fortunately, name are no longer a major target for bullies. Now you need to worry about what brand of undies you put them in. My kids all have "freakish" names by your standards. None have been bullied. You're basing your argument on data thats a generation out of date. In most people's books, I believe that would make you the idiot. Do you use 30yo data in your job too?
Racist much?
Not at all! What on earth gave you that idea? :rolleyes:
Totally. I'm guessing LaKysha ain't getting a look-in.....
Neither is oranjello, lemonjello, Shaqueefa, Shaquanda, Monifa, Sharhonda, Ebony, Lexus, Mercedes, Alize, etc.
But fortunately, name are no longer a major target for bullies.
Oh, so you actually are retarded.
Racist much?
Chinese isn't a race.
Whatever you say Radar. You can believe what you want. Your comment was offensive.
I hire my share of people. I've hired a hundred or so over the years.
But did you hire well -based on their abilities, experience and potential? Or did you hire based on name and suspected racial origin? And if the former, then how come you make such a pittance and can't stay in any job for an extended period?
But there are thousands if not millions of other people like me who don't want to hire someone with tattoos on their face, or names like "Moonbeam" etc.
and most of them work at McDonalds.
it's not the parents or the names that are the problem. It's bigotry and bullying. and that's something YOU (and all of us) can fix.
Oh, so you actually are retarded.
:lol: run out of argument? How old is your daughter again? How much current school experience do you have?
...
ah.
hm. I will retaliate the namecalling with: ..
...
(wait for it)...
erm...
(sorry, I'm a little slow... (;) ).....
Person-who-blusters-with-no-knowledge
:D
I think the word you're looking for is charlatan
But did you hire well -based on their abilities, experience and potential? Or did you hire based on name and suspected racial origin?
I don't care what someone's racial origin, religion, gender, age, etc. happens to be as long as they can communicate effectively and work well with others.
I always hire the best person for the job, but at the top of every resume is the name of the person. If they've got an oddball name, I read no further. If someone's name is Claud Balls, I laugh and toss the resume in the garbage and I judge the other candidates based on their level of skill, education, and experience.
And if the former, then how come you make such a pittance and can't stay in any job for an extended period?
and most of them work at McDonalds.
I've been in the computer network consulting field for about 20 years with a few periods in the middle doing other jobs when computer jobs were scarce (bartender, casino dealer, etc.). The nature of consulting is that you move around a lot. You are hired for a certain period of time for a salary higher than permanent employees.
Right now I make $85,000 a year, but on average I've always made $60k or higher. I've never worked at McDonalds, though I have worked in fast food when in high school, and I delivered pizzas for extra money when things got tough. I have always paid my bills and never taken a dime of money from any government welfare plan.
Why so interested in my job? I don't go to your job and slap the plunger out of your hand or the dick out of your mouth.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/29/national/main575685.shtml
Did you seriously post that in
defence of your argument?
OMG this country is racist and religionist, let's all buckle down and be at white and christian as we can?
:lol: run out of argument? How old is your daughter again? How much current school experience do you have?
I didn't run out of an argument. I just realized I was trying to talk to someone who has the mental capacity of a flea. If you claim bullies don't pick on kids with unusual names, you are not only out of touch with reality, you know absolutely ZERO about schools or children....PERIOD.
Did you seriously post that in defence of your argument?
OMG this country is racist and religionist, let's all buckle down and be at white and christian as we can?
It's a news story about how people are discriminated against based on their names. It's a reality whether you choose to admit it or not.
I think the incidence of kids being picked on because of their names is the same as it's ever been. I don't think the new tradition of giving kids interesting or different names contributes or detracts from it. There are always going to be arsehole kids who've been brought up by arseholes to judge people just because of their name or what they look like. The world is full of arseholes. It always will be.
I always hire the best person for the job, but at the top of every resume is the name of the person. If they've got an oddball name, I read no further. If someone's name is Claud Balls, I laugh and toss the resume in the garbage and I judge the other candidates based on their level of skill, education, and experience.
So maybe you don't always hire the best person for the job. Maybe the best person has a name you consider stupid. That you judge them on their name..... well... it makes you look a little..... stupid?
I've been in the computer network consulting field for about 20 years with a few periods in the middle doing other jobs when computer jobs were scarce (bartender, casino dealer, etc.). The nature of consulting is that you move around a lot. You are hired for a certain period of time for a salary higher than permanent employees.
Right now I make $85,000 a year, but on average I've always made $60k or higher. I've never worked at McDonalds, though I have worked in fast food when in high school, and I delivered pizzas for extra money when things got tough. I have always paid my bills and never taken a dime of money from any government welfare plan.
Why so interested in my job? I don't go to your job and slap the plunger out of your hand or the dick out of your mouth.
Well I also happen to be qualified in IT and I wouldn't piss on someone's overheated circuit fire for what you make. Of course you wouldn't hire me because my name would make it obvious I'm
female....
IThere are always going to be arsehole kids who've been brought up by arseholes to judge people just because of their name or what they look like. The world is full of arseholes. It always will be.
:lol:
...but that would make radar an arsehole.......
Can't I leave you people alone for just three hours???
I think the incidence of kids being picked on because of their names is the same as it's ever been. I don't think the new tradition of giving kids interesting or different names contributes or detracts from it. There are always going to be arsehole kids who've been brought up by arseholes to judge people just because of their name or what they look like. The world is full of arseholes. It always will be.
This is true, but why give them ammunition? Why not give your kid a name that won't make them more of a target?
I love my daughter. I want her experience growing up to be a happy one. I don't want her to be haunted by an ugly or freaky name following her around. I don't want her to be teased, taunted, ridiculed, harassed, or bullied because of something like that. It's hard enough growing up without having to deal with that.
:lol:
...but that would make radar an arsehole.......
And let me guess? You aren't?
You know Radar, if I wanted to give my kid a better chance, I would have made sure his father wasn't black (or brown actually). I would have had the little tiny piece of skin he has extra on his ear removed when the hospital suggested it at birth. I might even have had him circumcized.
My son doesn't get picked on. He has a happy life. He's very popular with his classmates and he's a school leader. I fail to see your argument at play in our lives.
If they've got an oddball name, I read no further. If someone's name is Claud Balls, I laugh and toss the resume in the garbage and I judge the other candidates based on their level of skill, education, and experience.
But why? I still don't understand what possible correlation someone's name has to their job performance. I am trying to understand why you would do this. I mean--are you afraid of being embarrassed at introducing them?
It's a news story about how people are discriminated against based on their names. It's a reality whether you choose to admit it or not.
I guess you're schooling didn't include sarcasm. Have you ever been diagnosed with social interaction problems?
Oh I admit it alright, but I believe my approach of challenging stereotypes and discrimination is better and more likely to improve the situation than your approach of buckling down and saying yessir. But then it appears you don't want the situation to change. Because you are racist and sexist, and the status quo suits you just fine.
And let me guess? You aren't?
oooh,
that's a blow that's hard to deflect or recover from.......
ouch
So maybe you don't always hire the best person for the job. Maybe the best person has a name you consider stupid. That you judge them on their name..... well... it makes you look a little..... stupid?
The best person for the job isn't always the most qualified or best educated. You can have someone who knows pretty much everything, but if he can't get along with others, or doesn't fit in with the rest of the team, he's worthless to me.
I went through a lot of people at my last job. I've hired people and told them to pack up their things and leave before lunchtime came around. I've gone through 3 or 4 people in a week until I get someone who has skills and who can actually get along well. I've met more techs with padded resumes claiming to have skills when they don't know shit about I.T.
(like you perhaps)
Well I also happen to be qualified in IT and I wouldn't piss on someone's overheated circuit fire for what you make. Of course you wouldn't hire me because my name would make it obvious I'm female....
I could care less about whether or not you're female, but I wouldn't hire a bitch like you. Minimum wage would be too much for your ilk.
As far as your qualifications and earnings go, congrats on making more money than me. Good for you. If I were you, I wouldn't bet your qualifications were better than mine, but it's nice that you can find work for that much money....assuming you don't really live in a trailer somewhere collecting welfare, with 2 kids that have freaky names, making up lies about being in I.T.
But why? I still don't understand what possible correlation someone's name has to their job performance. I am trying to understand why you would do this. I mean--are you afraid of being embarrassed at introducing them?
Not just that. Every member of the team represents you. If they have a name that people think is funny or stupid, someone else will assume the team is stupid or not to be taken seriously. I also don't want to have to deal with fights among those who report to me when someone teases them about their name ... which happens even with adults.
If I hire someone named Frank N. Stein, people will think it's a joke.
so, you are afraid they'll laugh at you.
Perhaps you need a little more humor in your life.
and compassion.
I've gone through 3 or 4 people in a week until I get someone who has skills and who can actually get along well.
I find it painfully ironic that this is a major requirement for you, of all people. I'm just sayin'. You're not exactly known as a go with the flow and fit in kind of guy.
I guess you're schooling didn't include sarcasm. Have you ever been diagnosed with social interaction problems?
Oh I admit it alright, but I believe my approach of challenging stereotypes and discrimination is better and more likely to improve the situation than your approach of buckling down and saying yessir. But then it appears you don't want the situation to change. Because you are racist and sexist, and the status quo suits you just fine.
I'm neither racist, nor sexist. Discrimination based on names I find stupid is neither of these. On the contrary, I support meritocracy in all areas. I want TRUE equality for women.
For instance, if I had a company where people had to move bags of cement all day. If Bob can lift and move ten 50 lb bags of cement per minute, and Sally can only move 5, Sally should earn half of what Bob does. If the opposite is true, Bob should earn half of what Sally earns.
If Bob can be drafted in the military and sent to the front line to fight, Sally should have the same chances of this happening to her. I expect a woman to open her own door just as I'd expect any man to do. I expect a woman to pay for her own dinner or drinks as any man would do.
I am against any affirmative action programs to put more women or minorities in colleges. I would go purely based on standardized test scores, and nothing else.
so, you are afraid they'll laugh at you.
Perhaps you need a little more humor in your life.
and compassion.
I'm not afraid of anyone laughing at me. I want to make sure those we do business with will take us seriously. I do have compassion, and I want others to have compassion for their children instead of being cruel and naming them something freaky. Love your kids enough not to do this.
I'll give an example. I've had guys join the team who had a decent skill set and job experience. But after getting the job, they thought they were too important to open computer boxes, or climb under desks to check cabling, or load servers onto racks.
They don't fit in well with the team. I expect everyone to put in a full day of work for a full day of pay. When I pay someone, I'm renting their labor for the day. It doesn't matter if I tell them to fix the mail server or sweep the floor. They do what needs to be done. This is the attitude I've always had, and the attitude I expect from those who work for me.
My team likes to joke around with each other. I've seen people come here who couldn't take a joke, or who wanted a meeting every time someone was kidding around with them. They also don't fit in...plus they are a lawsuit waiting to happen. I don't want 'em.
The best person for the job isn't always the most qualified or best educated. You can have someone who knows pretty much everything, but if he can't get along with others, or doesn't fit in with the rest of the team, he's worthless to me.
not arguing with that, but you can really tell all this from the person's name? They won't get along with you team because they will bully them based on the name? or is there a secret naming code?
I went through a lot of people at my last job. I've hired people and told them to pack up their things and leave before lunchtime came around. I've gone through 3 or 4 people in a week until I get someone who has skills and who can actually get along well.
and you don't htink that says anything about your hiring skills?
I've met more techs with padded resumes claiming to have skills when they don't know shit about I.T. (like you perhaps)
I could care less about whether or not you're female, but I wouldn't hire a bitch like you. Minimum wage would be too much for your ilk.
As far as your qualifications and earnings go, congrats on making more money than me. Good for you. If I were you, I wouldn't bet your qualifications were better than mine, but it's nice that you can find work for that much money....assuming you don't really live in a trailer somewhere collecting welfare, with 2 kids that have freaky names, making up lies about being in I.T.
right. I can live with that if it makes you feel better. But at least allow me a double-wide. Did I graduate High school? I guess not. Can i please have 3 kids? Thor may be a handful, but he's pretty cute and he might keep me in my old age. I'd miss him
I'm not afraid of anyone laughing at me.
That is so good to hear.
not arguing with that, but you can really tell all this from the person's name? They won't get along with you team because they will bully them based on the name? or is there a secret naming code?
It's just how I feel. I want people on the team I can count on, who will work hard for me, who actually have the skills they put on their resume, and who won't make themselves or the rest of the team targets for ridicule.
and you don't htink that says anything about your hiring skills?
All of the candidates were supposed to have been screened by the H.R. department. Most of those I got rid of had padded resumes. Most of them lied about certifications or degrees. I know they were lying because when I put them in front of real computers, printers, etc. they stood there with a blank look on their faces. Many couldn't figure out how to answer the phone. When I hired them, I told them they had a maximum of 3 days to show me they could hit the ground running. I didn't lie to any of them.
right. I can live with that if it makes you feel better. But at least allow me a double-wide. Did I graduate High school? I guess not. Can i please have 3 kids? Thor may be a handful, but he's pretty cute and he might keep me in my old age. I'd miss him
:)
You can have the best trailer in the whole trailer park. You can have a penthouse in New York. You could have several PhD's or a GED. It wouldn't matter to me unless you were applying to work for me and I think the chances of that are pretty slim.
I will tell you this, if your name was actually "monster", you wouldn't get hired.
I agree that names can be a burden and should be chosen carefully. That's about all I can agree with you on this topic, however.
I'll give an example. I've had guys join the team who had a decent skill set and job experience. But after getting the job, they thought they were too important to open computer boxes, or climb under desks to check cabling, or load servers onto racks.
They don't fit in well with the team. I expect everyone to put in a full day of work for a full day of pay. When I pay someone, I'm renting their labor for the day. It doesn't matter if I tell them to fix the mail server or sweep the floor. They do what needs to be done. This is the attitude I've always had, and the attitude I expect from those who work for me.
My team likes to joke around with each other. I've seen people come here who couldn't take a joke, or who wanted a meeting every time someone was kidding around with them. They also don't fit in...plus they are a lawsuit waiting to happen. I don't want 'em.
This is why you only make $85. And I'm not suprised it's a fortune worth bragging about to you. And no wonder you get new jobs so easily. But a quick heads-up -the going rate for what you claim to do in where you claim to live is at least twice if not three times that. :)
Maybe a wake-up call?
Of course, what would I know about such things when I scrub it out collecting cans off the edge of the freeway to get the recycling deposit to pay my rent.... giving the odd blowjob to a hobo for a buck a piece (if I'm lucky...)
Radar, are you arguing against unusual names because you think the name was given by usual parents who probably raised the child in an unusual way and that way would be incompatible with the more traditionally named and reared employees? And would it matter if parents named the person or the person changed names when reaching legal age? I'm curious.
Check my post count, I'm new here, be gentle. I'm curious, not confrontational.
It's just how I feel. I want people on the team I can count on, who will work hard for me, who actually have the skills they put on their resume, and who won't make themselves or the rest of the team targets for ridicule.
So it's based on your name prejudice. period.
All of the candidates were supposed to have been screened by the H.R. department. Most of those I got rid of had padded resumes. Most of them lied about certifications or degrees. I know they were lying because when I put them in front of real computers, printers, etc. they stood there with a blank look on their faces. Many couldn't figure out how to answer the phone. When I hired them, I told them they had a maximum of 3 days to show me they could hit the ground running. I didn't lie to any of them.
Would you accept this excuse from a potential employee?
really/
unless you were applying to work for me and I think the chances of that are pretty slim.
Oh so do I, hon, so do I.
I will tell you this, if your name was actually "monster", you wouldn't get hired.
note to self: have another kid (need different babypapa) and name it monster.
Do your employers ever see what you post here? I find it hard to believe they could support this crap. Especially the bit about rejecting resumes on the basis of first name not being racist. No wonder you were so touchy when i brought up your job.
may even effect his ability to get work later in life.
btw, it's affect. I would have said something earlier, but I didn't want to make you look stupid until you'd done it for yourself.... ;)
I make $85,000 per year and I wasn't bragging. I did get new contracts very easily, but I don't do that anymore. I've taken a permanent job as the I.T. Director for a movie company so I can have something with a bit more stability for my wife and daughter.
Since taking this job, I've been getting a lot of calls (some for a lot more money) to go back to doing contract consulting, but I won't take it. The going rate for a network manager in this part of California averages less than what I earn. Some people make a lot more money doing this, and some make less. I make enough. I took the job for it's growth potential and because I'll get to build the network from the bottom up because the last guys they had didn't know shit.
I've historically worked for very large companies where I was one cog in a giant machine. I've seen how bureaucracy kept them from doing what was best for their networks and how resistant they were to change.
Now I'm in a job where I get to make 100% of the decisions and where the network will be exactly the way it should be. That alone is worth taking a hit in the wallet. Besides, once the job is done, I'll be getting a very big bump.
LOL @ blowing hobos for a buck. That was actually very funny. :)
Radar, are you arguing against unusual names because you think the name was given by usual parents who probably raised the child in an unusual way and that way would be incompatible with the more traditionally named and reared employees? And would it matter if parents named the person or the person changed names when reaching legal age? I'm curious.
Check my post count, I'm new here, be gentle. I'm curious, not confrontational.
This is a pretty accurate way of describing my feelings toward these unusual names. The job thing was only part of it, though the discussion seems to have gravitated toward it. I genuinely feel for kids getting picked on for something like that.
If a person changed their legal name, I'd have no way of knowing. I might be surprised and have a great employee I can depend on. I might also find someone who comes to work with a green mohawk, tatoos a swastika on their forehead, and pierces their cheek after a month on the job and who shows up late everyday.
All I'm saying is it's wrong for parents to do this to their kids. Have a little compassion and understanding. Don't pretend that they won't be picked on because that's the kind of world you WISH it would be. Don't let your kids get beaten up because you want to be Rosa Parks.
For instance, if I had a company where people had to move bags of cement all day. If Bob can lift and move ten 50 lb bags of cement per minute, and Sally can only move 5, Sally should earn half of what Bob does. If the opposite is true, Bob should earn half of what Sally earns.
But if you could only interview one of them? Which one would you choose?
...and what if they were called Ocean and Mary and you could only interview one?.......
But if you could only interview one of them? Which one would you choose?
I'd interview the one who has the most experience....unless that person was named Moonbeam.
...and what if they were called Ocean and Mary and you could only interview one?.......
If they were named Ocean and Mary, we'd have another freaky name in the unemployment line.
might also find someone who comes to work with a green mohawk, tatoos a swastika on their forehead, and pierces their cheek after a month on the job and who shows up late everyday.
True. That kind of behavior certainly wouldn't happen with guys named Charles, Sid, Ted, or Mike.
I wrote a poem titled Needius Worse than Ever based on a real man named Needius Grubb.
I have taken care of a woman named Tequila.
...
I have taken care of a woman named Tequila.
Taken care of?
:shotgun::dead3:
you should also throw away half the resumes without even looking at them to eliminate all the unlucky candidates.
you should also throw away half the resumes without even looking at them to eliminate all the unlucky candidates.
:lol: Awesome! :lol:
so, I guess if you name your kid "Barack" he'll never get anywhere in life, huh? Like, say, becoming a Senator?
The name issue is a valid discussion if everyone drops the knee jerk sensitivity for a minute. I've long held the belief that names DO matter. They aren't the end all be all ingredient in a person's fate, but they do matter, with boys especially. I have always said that some names will either lead the boy to be a super stud that everyone flocks around or a nerd that is left out and picked on. Evidence is only anecdotal but it is interesting.
I went to school with two guys named Doyle. Physically they were built about the same, dad's worked in the same factory so same money, pretty much everything about them was at least similar. Except Doyle S was made fun of for his girlie dork name from the time we were in first grade. People would pick on him and he'd shuffle his feet and had no way to respond. Funny thing is that the other Doyle didn't get picked on for his name very often. He became a stereotypical badass. The girls swooned for him, the guys surrounded him, the football team caught his passes.
The name matters only to the degree that the kid is able to define his personality. Unfortunately, it can cause a kid some disadvantage early on that can carry into adult life.
I think the real problem in this thread is that Radar, as usual, takes a valid point, takes an extreme stance on it, and uses his usual tactics from How to Win Friends and Influence People to convince everyone of his superior viewpoint.
so, I guess if you name your kid "Barack" he'll never get anywhere in life, huh? Like, say, becoming a Senator?
Barack? huh? OOOh, you mean Barry? Barry that guy from school? yeah I remember him.
Seems like Barack wasn't a such convenient name for a kid.
Monster has already said this but we can't use our childhood experiences to guide us here on this one. Times have changed, and kids today are much more tolerant of "different" names than when we were younger. Since Columbine, the schools have gone to great lengths to teach kids not to bully each other and it appears to be working, based on what I've seen in my town.
Fair enough. I'm not overly concerned about either way. I named both my boys John so they're safe.
OK, not really. One of my boys has an older out of favor name, the other has a name that is ambiguous.
I grew up with a somewhat unusual name...I think what caused people to pick on my name was its existence in so many stories and commercial avenues..."Casey at the Bat", "Casey Jones", "KC and the Sunshine Band", "Kacey Fine Furniture", and "Casey the talking Robot" were all terms I was expected to answer to. I won't even begin to relay the slaughterings my 13 letter German last name got. I go by "Case" now, because it is more unique than "Casey" which seems to have grown in popularity since I was a kid. Also, my family always called me "Case." I find it odd when people call me Casey, now. What is even worse, though, is my brother's name is Justin.
I went to school with two casey's. They were both HAAAWWWT! They only got picked on until boys figured out how to get their attention in more appropriate ways.
Radar, it seems to me that your more concerned about how people look and what their names are, rather than how they do their job.
I hire my share of people. I've hired a hundred or so over the years. But there are thousands if not millions of other people like me who don't want to hire someone with tattoos on their face, or names like "Moonbeam" etc.
The bottom line is if you name your kid Rainbow and they get the shit beaten out of them, or they get picked on, or they hate you, or they have a hard time finding a job... it's YOUR FAULT.
Unlike the Chinese, I didn't name my child by dropping a drawer full of silverware down the stairs.... PING .... ZHAO... SUM... TING.... WONG
But there are thousands if not millions of other people like me who don't want to hire someone with tattoos on their face, or names like "Moonbeam" etc.
Neither is oranjello, lemonjello, Shaqueefa, Shaquanda, Monifa, Sharhonda, Ebony, Lexus, Mercedes, Alize, etc.
I don't care what someone's racial origin, religion, gender, age, etc. happens to be as long as they can communicate effectively and work well with others.
If they've got an oddball name, I read no further. If someone's name is Claud Balls, I laugh and toss the resume in the garbage and I judge the other candidates based on their level of skill, education, and experience.
I'm neither racist, nor sexist. Discrimination based on names I find stupid is neither of these. On the contrary, I support meritocracy in all areas. I want TRUE equality for women.
I will tell you this, if your name was actually "monster", you wouldn't get hired.
I'd interview the one who has the most experience....unless that person was named Moonbeam.
Very telling indeed - - - From one who supports the "there are no illegal immigrants position," yet you still wouldn't hire a Chiquita, Bonita, Filiberto, Esmeralda, Placenta or Quique....
....LOFL - - - you are priceless dude - effin' priceless!
...
They acted like I was a big jerk for saying it. It's the truth. ...
That's what I'd call an ambiguous statement.
Very telling indeed - - - From one who supports the "there are no illegal immigrants position," yet you still wouldn't hire a Chiquita, Bonita, Filiberto, Esmeralda, Placenta or Quique....
....LOFL - - - you are priceless dude - effin' priceless!
Seems to me he's also got a double standard, and a rather unusual fixation on the name "Moonbeam."
What is even worse, though, is my brother's name is Justin.
Oddly enough, I knew a guy named Justin Case. And to make it even worse, he was the food-service manager at... wait for it... Case Western Reserve University.:eyebrow:
But, back to the topic at hand: Radar, couldn't you have made your daughter's life considerably easier by giving her a
WHITE mamma? Can you imagine how badly she'll be picked on for being a half-breed?
No? That's racist, huh? Then lay off the name game. I've been picked on for my name at the grade school playground. I also have a gender-ambiguous name (as far as many Americans are concerned) -- and it hasn't harmed me worth a damn.
I'm proud of my name, and proud of my parent's determination to give me at least one thing from my heritage that will stay with me throughout my life. I appreciated it so much that I did not change my name when I got married. I am successful, well-educated, well-respected by my colleagues, and most importantly, I am happy with who I am.
Why would I pander to an idiot such as yourself?
On the topic of funny names... Oh, I see a lot. I work for state government, dealing with child care and child care providers, and you wouldn't believe some of the names. A few of my favorites:
Sparkle Ware (I think it sounds like the next Rubbermaid/Tupperware product.)
Terry Berry (Really?)
Daniel Daniels (REALLY?!?!)
and last but not least.....
Harold Butts. That kid is going to be called "Harry Butts." I don't imagine he'll make it out of 3rd grade alive.
On the topic of funny names... Oh, I see a lot. I work for state government, dealing with child care and child care providers, and you wouldn't believe some of the names. A few of my favorites:
Sparkle Ware (I think it sounds like the next Rubbermaid/Tupperware product.)
Terry Berry (Really?)
Daniel Daniels (REALLY?!?!)
and last but not least.....
Harold Butts. That kid is going to be called "Harry Butts." I don't imagine he'll make it out of 3rd grade alive.
There was a kid in my junior high school Named Terry, with the last name Derryberry - now that is cruel, not to mention a girl named Gay Laughter
I had a client at the law office I used to work for who was "blessed" with the first name Delight. It wouldn't have been so bad if her last name hadn't been Cox.
Another client was named Lucky Wang.
(and yes, these were their real, birth names. We had copies of all their IDs on file.)
When I worked in a library, we had a student who's 1st name was Ufuk. I never had the guts to ask him how he pronounced it.
so, I guess if you name your kid "Barack" he'll never get anywhere in life, huh? Like, say, becoming a Senator?
Do you know what a Barack is in french?
A shack, a decrepit old house. Still I think that he will be your next president.
Has for me, you would'nt believe my name. I'm a Mohawk and I go by my indian name and nobody ever laught at me and I do quite good moneywise. I got hired because I'm really good at what I do and they did'nt care about my name.
To bad that everybody can't have the same chance I had.
As usual, sorry for the bad spelling and bad English
If they were named Ocean and Mary, we'd have another freaky name in the unemployment line.
And you'd have half the productivity you would otherwise have had.
Also, my family always called me "Case." I find it odd when people call me Casey, now. What is even worse, though, is my brother's name is Justin.
MAD magazine is of the view that he should sell insurance.
And you get called after a rather veteran
knife manufacturer.
My idea of a decline-of-the-West homegrown country name is the possibly inevitable little girl named "Apostrophe." Perhaps this is a name that should never appear IRL but only as a character name in a satirical work.
Alize, I think, is real -- in Francophone countries. Haiti, for one.
I did, however, have to explain to the wife that a girl-child would better be named "Elizabeth Enterprise R_______ than "Enterprise Elizabeth R_____" with school systems' penchant for first name, middle initial registration and record keeping. I had to cite my own experience with going by my middle name and not the first name I share with Pater.
Such a daughter could go through life knowing "Enterprise is my middle name!" and always feel ready to attempt mighty deeds. And if she thinks it a little too corny or seventeenth-century New England -- where my ancestry and numerous of my ancestors both lie -- she could discreetly veil it behind a middle initial.
I'm beginning to get the overall impression that Radar has a wide and ill-concealed streak of xenophobia. It explains much of the attitude set forth in his posts.
On the topic of funny names... Oh, I see a lot. I work for state government, dealing with child care and child care providers, and you wouldn't believe some of the names. A few of my favorites:
Sparkle Ware (I think it sounds like the next Rubbermaid/Tupperware product.)
Terry Berry (Really?)
Daniel Daniels (REALLY?!?!)
and last but not least.....
Harold Butts. That kid is going to be called "Harry Butts." I don't imagine he'll make it out of 3rd grade alive.
I knew a woman named Brandy Wine in Las Vegas and a guy named Long Dong
(tough name for most Asians to live up to), and a guy named Phuc Vu
(Pronounced "Fuck You" in Vietnamese).
I have a serious question I'd like to ask. I've known a lot of people named Richard. To me the natural shortening of this name is Rick or Rich. Why would anyone with the name Richard choose to be called "Dick"?
Especially if your last name was
Trickle! :speechls:
The name issue is a valid discussion if everyone drops the knee jerk sensitivity for a minute. I've long held the belief that names DO matter.
This from a guy that named his son Li'l Lookout.:lol2:
I spent a couple of months being teased about my surname. Which was Robinson FFS. Children will pick on anything, it doesn't have to make sense.
I know someone named Mike Hunt. I keep thinking, "why, would they do it?"
My cousin was seriously considering naming his son Michael Hawk....
Similar to Mike Hunt
Perhaps one of these days parents will learn to follow the Internet practice of letting kids choose their own names and change them at will. Would I have picked sweetwater? Probably not. I do have another name I use in most other sites and have been seriously considering making it my legal name. My parents would hate it, but it would make a nice turnabout.
Yeah, I knew a girl in high school named Amanda Touch. That ended up being great fun when my friends started dating her.
I guess this one's hearsay, but one of my friends works in delivery rooms. One woman had twins and hadn't thought of names for them yet. So she looked over at her dinner tray and brilliantly came up with the names LeMonjelo and Oronjelo (I'm guessing at the spelling, I'm sure there's probably at least three apostrophes in each name).
When I worked in a library, we had a student who's 1st name was Ufuk. I never had the guts to ask him how he pronounced it.
That totally reminds me of being in the Army... there was this MSG who was African-American, and his last name was "Negrow".... I just called him by title whenever I had to address him.... most terrifying time of my LIFE.
And did I mention my HS principals' name was Seymor Hyman?
True! And no, his parents were NOT Gynocologists.
Yeah, I knew a girl in high school named Amanda Touch. That ended up being great fun when my friends started dating her.
I guess this one's hearsay, but one of my friends works in delivery rooms. One woman had twins and hadn't thought of names for them yet. So she looked over at her dinner tray and brilliantly came up with the names LeMonjelo and Oronjelo (I'm guessing at the spelling, I'm sure there's probably at least three apostrophes in each name).
Really? Your friend? Take a dekko at Snopes for that one
Yes, my actual friend. Want her number?
oooh, tempting... but I'm taken.... ;)
So either she was lying, or as usual, people put everything they can think of on Snopes. Either way, I don't really care. I said it was hearsay, so congratulations on making me look like an idiot or whatever, I'll go put myself in the corner now.
They show Long Dong as an urban Legend. I really knew someone with that name.
[Mo]I went to school with Amanda Huginkiss. [/Mo] :rolleyes:
My sister dated (and I worked with) Michael Hunt. Who did go by the name Mike.
I never considered the impact of both names together until I heard it as a joke later. Well I was 14-15 at the time.
And I knew a Richard Head through work - he was my contact in a local council. As far as I know, no-one knew him as Dick though.
I am quite happy to accept that there are plenty of parents like Mike's and Richard's who don't realise the combination of names might be amusing or ribald, especially where abbreviations are concerned.
We used to pay a dollar each time to have them page Mike Hunt at the Strawberry Festival each summer. We yukked it up! The paging fee was, I'm sure, to discourage such shenanigans. Good times.
They show Long Dong as an urban Legend. I really knew someone with that name.
We need a support group!
i really did go to school with Sherman and his sister Septa. And yes, their last name really was Tank. No Joke.
I also went to school with James Bond, Raquel Welch, John Carson, and Gerry Ford.
There was obviously something in the water the year we were born.
So either she was lying, or as usual, people put everything they can think of on Snopes. Either way, I don't really care. I said it was hearsay, so congratulations on making me look like an idiot or whatever, I'll go put myself in the corner now.
oh don't be silly. I particularly like the medical terms ones. I
really personally did see an obit in the Ann Arbor News a few months back where the bereaved mother (of a young child :( ) was called Felony.
And there was a research fellow called Randy Dong in the Psych dept when I was doing my PhD. In the UK
no-one uses the name Randy and it means only one thing....
But I'd still read their resumes. ;)
But I'd still read their resumes. ;)
yep! In fact, if a resume crossed my desk for Randy Dong . . . well, let's just say I'd give it a
thorough perusal.
eff that. they'd totally be disruptive and stuff.
yeah, and people would laugh at you for hiring them!
"Randy" is a pretty common name in the States, though. It's not automatically associated with randy meaning horny. Now, if there was someone named "Horny Dong" . . . (rolls eyes)
oh don't be silly. I particularly like the medical terms ones. I really personally did see an obit in the Ann Arbor News a few months back where the bereaved mother (of a young child :( ) was called Felony.
And there was a research fellow called Randy Dong in the Psych dept when I was doing my PhD. In the UK no-one uses the name Randy and it means only one thing....
But I'd still read their resumes. ;)
yep! In fact, if a resume crossed my desk for Randy Dong . . . well, let's just say I'd give it a thorough perusal.
:)
There was a local band (a good band I liked to go see) named
Who's Randy? Some locals didn't get it, and really wanted to guess which band member was named Randy. None of them were.
I do run across some fun ones on our insureds policies... Gay Shoemaker was one of my favorites. And today I saw someone with the last name Assmann.
He was Chinese, and they usually take "English" names when they come to study/research in the UK, but The Chinese Official List of English Names appears actually to be an American English list. Many of them pick Chuck, which is also not used much in the UK. Especially for girls ;)
I see some great names come across my computer/desk. However, I am forbidden by FERPA law to tell you them. :tinfoil:
I had a lot of engineering students called "Sukdeep". Beautiful intelligent, quiet young ladies. Common Indian name, apparently. Shame about the juvenile humor moments that overcame me when grading their papers. But I still graded them ;)
and then there are place names. Like Phucket, which gets me every time.
Like Phucket, which gets me every time.
Actually it got a lot of people a couple Christmaseseses's ago. My sister was there when the Tsunami hit.
Actually it got a lot of people a couple Christmaseseses's ago. My sister was there when the Tsunami hit.
Is that the same sister that died in the WTC? She sure doesn't have much luck. I see why you take separate vacations.
I had a lot of engineering students called "Sukdeep". Beautiful intelligent, quiet young ladies. Common Indian name, apparently. Shame about the juvenile humor moments that overcame me when grading their papers. But I still graded them ;)
I've met a Sukdeep. And yes, she was also beautiful, intelligent and shy. And I've met two Preti's (sorry for the greengrocers' apostrophe but you'll read it wrong otherwise, it's pronounced Pretty) who were fat & obnoxious.
And a Celeste who who as noisy and crude as they come, and a Seraphina who wasn't much better.
I didn't read their resumes. But I would, if I could ;)
Is that the same sister that died in the WTC? She sure doesn't have much luck. I see why you take separate vacations.
It was her twin. Now you can see why it is such a sensitive subject for our family. thanks for rubbing salt in that wound.
actually my sister literally was in Phuket in a beachfront hotel when the tsunami hit. well her stuff was. She was on an elephant excursion on the mountain looking at the waves come in. yes, seriously.
Yikes! Was she able to recover any of her stuff?
nah, her stuff was pretty much toast. What she did recover she left there for the survivors when she was able to leave the island - except her camera of course.
Well, in Radar's defense, I just received an email from Miss Fatou Labi, and she's from Nigeria, and wants me to manage millions of dollars for her. But I'm not doing it, because her name is funny.:rolleyes:
my ex sis-in-law named her baby girl Amanda Lynn. A mandolin.
Any pics available Lookout?
Not in a ghoulish way, just looking for a personal perspective.
The tsunami touched many people here because it's such a popular holiday/ gap year destination. I knew many people who knew people who were there, or had been there previously themselves. Luckily they were all safe.
Call me naive, but how is someone's name going to affect their chances of employment? Unless it's grossly inappropriate, a name is a name. I get tired of meeting Ashleys and Johns.
Gak! don't get him started again!
Actually, I took a class in Consumer Behaviors a little over a year ago, and we did discuss the fact that in the U.S., the Michaels and Marys of the world are a HELL of a lot more likely to get the job than anyone named Laquisha or Tyrone. Maybe we don't like to hear it, but it's true of us as a culture that we are "name biased." Maybe it's helpful that the Condy Rices of the world are getting somewhere, though.
At lunch today we were talking about the strange names the kids have in the black community we are in. The kids can't even pronounce each others names with ease. Twins are given names that match like Zavier and Zaviea, Ranesiaha and Rakesaha,.,,not spelled right i am sure.
The worse one that came up is a three year old with the name Eurea. Do the parents not look up what a name means? The seem to think they can add a letter to it and change it. I feel sorry for these kids when they get older.
actually my sister literally was in Phuket in a beachfront hotel when the tsunami hit. well her stuff was. She was on an elephant excursion on the mountain looking at the waves come in. yes, seriously.
Freshman year, instead of going to north thailand or other places in asia, i went on a school trip to bang sak, just north of Phuket, to help build the "Raj Pratchanuklok 35" school and generally assist with the even-still-ongoing reconstruction and aid efforts.
when she came home to visit a few months later she showed us a few after pics. no during pics. not too much though, sad isn't really her thing. she had a bazillion pics from her jaunt to madagascar though. that happy fun thing is more her area of expertise.
I think it better to ignore an applicant's name and focus on the person's astrological sign. Anyone who said they were a Capricorn would get preferred hiring status,
once I figured out if it really was a Capricorn, I mean. ;)
From
ABC News Online (Australia):
Biblical to bizarre: American baby names run the gamut
JaMarcus? WTF?
REGISTRAR'S OFFICE
Registrar: "What is the baby's name?"
Mother: "James"
Registrar: <clickety> <clickety> ...
Father: "No, we agreed on Marcus"
Mother: "Yes, Marcus"
Registrar: <backspace> <backspace> <clickety> <clickety> <clickety> <clickety> <clickety> <clickety>
TWO WEEKS LATER
Mother: "What the hell? Damn computer has called our son JaMarcus!"
MEANWHILE, AT THE REGISTRAR'S OFFICE:
IT Guy: "Here's your new keyboard"
Registrar: "Thanks. I've been having trouble with the backspace key for weeks."
From
here:
(CNN) -- A New Zealand judge has made a 9-year-old girl a ward of the court so that her name can be changed from Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii, the country's national news agency reported Thursday.
Family Court Judge Rob Murfitt listed a series of unusual names that New Zealand parents had given their children, and said he was concerned that such strange monikers would create hurdles for them as they grew up.
"It makes a fool of the child and sets her up with a social disability and handicap," the New Zealand Press Association quoted the judge as saying.
Among the names Murfitt cited: twins named Benson and Hedges -- after a brand of cigarettes; Violence; and Number 16 Bus Shelter.
Some parents had named children after six-cylinder Ford cars, the news agency reported.
The Registrar General of Births, Deaths and Marriages said in a statement that it had rejected names including Fish and Chips, Yeah Detroit, Stallion, Twisty Poi -- a staple food in Polynesian cuisine -- and Sex Fruit.
A lawyer for Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii said the girl is so embarrassed by her name that friends know her as "K."
Last month, an judge in the U.S. state of Illinois allowed a school bus driver to legally change his first name to "In God" and his last name to "We Trust."
But an appeals court in the state of New Mexico ruled against a man -- named Variable -- who wanted to change his name to a two-word phrase that contains a four-letter expletive and expresses opposition to censorship.
Murfitt - that's funny name.
Some parents had named children after six-cylinder Ford cars, the news agency reported.
They could have had a, Vee Eight.:smack:
I met a guy whose real name is Shelby Ford
I've actually always resented my parents for giving me a common name -- Maria. (The year that Carlos Santana's "Maria Maria" came out was a disaster.) I go by Mia, now, and am hoping to change it legally in a few years, once I've settled into my married last name.
Anyway, on the "horrible names" front, one of my cousins is named Justus (pronounced Justice, except my grandparents usually call him Eustice.) His parents find it amusing that every time he eats "Justus is served." Justus's little brother is named Dante'. I asked my aunt why the apostrophe was there, and she just said it "looked nice." :rolleyes:
On the other side fo the family, parents Jay and Teresa named one of their sons Jayson, another Terrence, and their little girl is named Jareesa.
My cousin named her little girl Alyssa (i think i spell it wrong even though she's 5). I find it cruel because I'm always thinking people are calling to me (Melissa), then feel stupid because I answer, and then feel sad because no one does wants to talk to me. :lurker:
IJustus's little brother is named Dante'. I asked my aunt why the apostrophe was there, and she just said it "looked nice." :rolleyes:
now THAT deserves more than a simple rolling of the eyes. geez. Not only cruel namage, but flagrant abuse of punctuation.
better than grammar torturer.
On the other side fo the family, parents Jay and Teresa named one of their sons Jayson, another Terrence, and their little girl is named Jareesa.
They wouldn't be fans of Lord of the Rings, would they?
Dante isn't cruel nameage.
I've known two Dantes. It's a perfectly acceptable Italian name.
The apostrophe is abhorrent of course.
They wouldn't be fans of Lord of the Rings, would they?
I don't think so, I think they're just a little weird with their naming. Their first son, who I failed so mention, is named Niño -- as in "boy." He goes by Nino, now.
Dante isn't cruel nameage.
I've known two Dantes. It's a perfectly acceptable Italian name.
The apostrophe is abhorrent of course.
I thought the name itself was all right, though I don't think it quite "fits" the baby. The apostrophe is just... awful. Most of the family leaves it off in writing, and I imagine little Dante' will as well, when he gets older.
Yea. Me and my friend are arguing about naming her baby after a star trek character, after she made the gaffe of giving it a muslim name. I will leave the names out to protect the innocent. (me) (from her)
Dante isn't cruel nameage.
I've known two Dantes. It's a perfectly acceptable Italian name.
Pilau's brother is called Dante (aka Dan, Dan-the-man, Big Brother Dan and Dante-burger).
When I was a kid I hated my name (Danielle). I hated how it sounded in the bolton accent. Also, it wasn't a name you heard much back then, and anything unusual is hateful at that age :P I always envied two of my friends at primary school: Colette and Fiona. They sounded delicate and feminine but cool. Danielle sounded too round and clumsy to me.
Of course nowadays I hear that name everywhere.
I had to laugh... a friend from Brooklyn, NY, named Phyllis, always wanted to be Danielle. Maybe it's the accent thing, but it could be the, greener on the other side, thing too. ;)
I have a friend named Dan who wants to be Danielle, too.
Me and my friend are arguing about naming her baby after a star trek character, after she made the gaffe of giving it a muslim name.
Surely if she didn't know it was a name Muslim parents gave their children then other people wouldn't know either? I might just be reading it wrong (I don't know the name after all) but it hardly sounds like a gaffe to me. I know a couple of white women called Aisha. That's an acceptable Muslim name.
Well it sounds like a gaffe to me, especially when my friend is not muslim, and doesn't want to be stopped with her baby in airports trying to get on planes. Other people do know. There are large databases with names in them. Just because she doesn't know something doesn't mean other people don't. And too often they think they know something that they don't as well.
Aisha is a nice name. I've known a couple of them and neither were Muslim.
Aisha is a nice name....I haven't known any.
Yea. Me and my friend are arguing about naming her baby after a star trek character, after she made the gaffe of giving it a muslim name. I will leave the names out to protect the innocent. (me) (from her)
:eek:
racist/religionist much?
lol! Yea I think it's a gaffe. I don't want my friend's baby to get stopped at the airport trying to come and see me. mmmm'kay? And I have every right to think so. Look at the undue speculation at obama right now. Don't name your kid Hussein. I have no issue with Muslims outside of their hatred of women (which is not exclusive of just Muslims),written right inside of the Koran, which I read. So get off your trip. I will check any name against the watch list if I damn well choose.
The fact that I am scared of the name being Muslim because of my country more than theirs, says a whole lot.
lol! Yea I think it's a gaffe. I don't want my friend's baby to get stopped at the airport trying to come and see me.
Now this is giving me bizarre images.
Airport security: You're free to go, but your child will need to submit to questioning.
In stark, white interview room, somewhere deep in the bowels of the airport:
Airport security: How long have you been a Muslim?
Friend's baby: Da da. Goo goo goo.
Airport security: Have you been to Pakistan or Afghanistan lately?
Friends baby:
Puts fist in mouth. Drools on fist. mm mm. Da da.
Giggles and smiles
Airport security:
Holds up picture of Osama Bin Laden Do you know this man?
Friend's baby: da da goo.
Airport security: Are you saying this is your father?
Friend's baby: ga ga goo goo.
Aisha has been a popular black girl name ever since the Stevie Wonder song. I don't think it'll raise a lot of red flags at this point.
Aisha isn't the name of her friend's kid, that was just mentioned at some point as a name which is sort of Muslim but widely accepted.
Both your links are about children being detained at airports because their names match those on security lists. The first happens to be a Muslim name. Yes it's ridiculous - I'm not defending it - but his name was the same as a deported man who was not allowed to enter the country again. That's just bad luck. Unless your friend also has a Muslim surname I'm pretty sure her child won't have the same bad luck. Then again I worked with a woman who called her daughter Rosemary. Lovely name. Her surname was West - I'm no longer in contact with her, but she probably regrets the name slightly now. Just bad luck.
lol Sundae.
I have no issue with Muslims outside of their hatred of women (which is not exclusive of just Muslims),written right inside of the Koran, which I read.
Hatred of women is not written into the Koran. A patriarchal attitude to women is not the same as hatred. The Koran was written at a time when that perception of women was the norm and indeed the Koran was fairly forward looking on the subject compared to contemporary thinking. Even passages which to a modern reader seem woefully misogynistic can also be read as a softening of a much harsher, prior conception of womanhood. There is an oft-quoted passage which tells husbands they may chastise their wives with a stick as thick as their thumb. What is less often noted is the exhortation to try other methods first. The passage tells men not to immediately resort to violence with their wives. It places physical limits on that violence (in a similar way to the way laws on chastising children still do in many countries) such as limiting the size of the stick and prohibiting its use on certain parts of the body.
In sixteenth-century England, there was a popular rhyme: A woman, an asse, and a walnut tree, Bring the more fruit the more beaten they bee.
The Koran is of its time. As indeed is the bible. We cannot look at the eras in which they were written and make a blanket statement that women were hated in that time. Even the men who wrote these books should not be dismissed simply as misogynists, though I am sure some of them might have been. They reflected their times. They reflected custom and practices. In many cases they softened earlier customs: think about the attitude in both the Koran and the Bible towards forgiveness for the repentant believer; think about the attitude to the poor in the Bible, to the socially despised in the Koran; to theft when it is borne of starvation and need, the protections against moneylending; the right of a woman to seek a divorce if her husband does not satisfy her needs.
The patriarchal views of the Koran and the Bible both, are dangerous, in my opinion. Far from softening earlier customs, they are now being used by some men (and some women) to revert to an earlier, more patriarchal, harsher, less forgiving and less tolerant attitude towards women (amongst other things). I find it very worrying and it saddens me greatly. But the Koran was not written as a misogynistic tract.
Dana, Is the muslim attitude towards women one where they are trying to level the field and "give them", for lack of a better term, equality or are women still viewed as subservient?
If so, that alone is enough of a reason to me.
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There is an oft-quoted passage which tells husbands they may chastise their wives with a stick as thick as their thumb. ~snip
Is that where the "rule of thumb" came from? I've heard a lot of different stories about the source of that, but they were conflicting. :confused:
Dana, Is the muslim attitude towards women one where they are trying to level the field and "give them", for lack of a better term, equality or are women still viewed as subservient?
If so, that alone is enough of a reason to me.
Depending on how fundamentalist you are, the Bible teaches that women are inferior to men too. St Paul specifically.
Not inferior, just lower status.:haha:
lol!
Here's what
they think. (the women in question)
http://www.qantara.de/webcom/show_article.php/_c-307/_nr-3/i.html
Anyway....
When people start throwing around the term
"obedience" (to their husband) it gives me the creeps. Outside of the beatings.
Back on point, I don't think she wants to name her kid a Muslim name for a variety of reasons. And like I said before, I don't think it's a good idea, and
not lucky for as person living inside the United States
at all. Clod was right. You got this idea that the name was Aisha. I have no idea how you got that, and I will reiterate that I don't want to mention the real name. (for my privacy as well as hers) mmm'k?
I just like how sure of yourselves some of you sound right now. Good luck with that.
And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it is the
size of the stick that counts.
Thanks for the clarification. I had gone back several times to find when Aisha was given as the girls name, unsuccessfully. Thought I was losing it. :smack:
I used Aisha as an example of a Muslim name.
It is a name acceptable to Muslims that is in wider useage.
So is your friend going to change her child's name?
Anyway....
When people start throwing around the term "obedience" (to their husband) it gives me the creeps. Outside of the beatings
Not remotely unique to muslim cultures.
I just like how sure of yourselves some of you sound right now. Good luck with that.
And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it is the size of the stick that counts.
As in the size of the stick up your arse currently? :P Nobody sounds so sure to me. As far as I can tell people are throwing out thoughts and ideas and responses as in any other discussion.
And....at the risk of repetition: the stuff about the stick in the Koran, was there to illustrate how context is important to any understanding of an ancient text. In late-antiquity and early medieval cultures, the idea of setting limits to a man's rights over his wife was a bold one and one with which the mosem world led the way a millenia ago. You cannot point to a text written over a thousand years ago and expect it to conform to our modern conception of woman.
Like any of the great religions, there are those who read that book and interpret in ways you and I would no doubt approve of and others who read it and attempt to apply ideas that are a thousand years out of date. The Koran is no more guilty of misogyny than is the Bible. The Anglican Church is still tearing itself apart in my country over the horror of women bishops.
Like any of the great religions, there are those who read that book and interpret in ways you and I would no doubt approve of and others who read it and attempt to apply ideas that are a thousand years out of date. The Koran is no more guilty of misogyny than is the Bible. The Anglican Church is still tearing itself apart in my country over the horror of women bishops.
The Anglicans are having the argument, however. My church (RC) isn't having the argument in any real way and won't ,remarkably, last as more than a shadow of itself after a 2K year run. A lot goes into whether religions are flexible enough to adjust to modern times, without losing their values. The Catholic Church being a top down organization run by celibate males won't adjust, despite the pragmatism of the adherrents.
Islam, organizationally, is a whole other ball of wax. Personality cults can develop around any suitibly powerful or charasmatic leader. When you have illiterates enforcing Sharia, as in Afghanistan, there will be no progress. The question becomes, which adherrents of Islam are exposed to modern thought and what is their reaction to it? Who are the muslim migrants? Does Western Civilization have the vitality to absorb them? Does right wing conservatism, which seeks to defend the West, reflect Western values? Shit... always more questions than answers.
I may already have mentioned this somewhere, but Ch4 did a really interesting documentary recently, about the Qur'an. I think it's actually called Qur'an.
A really fascinating part of the documentary looked at what sharia actually is and the various potential interpretations of the law. It showed it in practice in a modern state setting (I can't remember which country), where private and domestic arrangements are governed through the sharia courts. So, we saw a sharia court making decisions on child maintenance, and whether or not a particular woman could divorce her husband (he'd withheld the fact he was infertile from her until after the marriage).
What was so interesting about this, was how ordinary it all was. The reception/office and waiting areas were busy with people going about very ordinary business, much like a magistrates court over here.
The way the Koran has been interpreted by some is vastly different in tone to the way it is interpreted by others. One interpretation calls for violent and merciless punishment for pretty much everything a human being can do 'wrong';, the other also keeps in mind the caveats that the Koran puts to each of those, that if the transgressor is truly repentant they should be forgiven.
Really, really interesting programme. I don't have access to youtube to see if its on there.
Not remotely unique to muslim cultures.
I already said that many posts ago when I first mentioned it.
Here:
(which is not exclusive of just Muslims).
As for what is up my butt...
Well..that's not a stick.:p
Why do I seem snitty?
People shouldn't jump to conclusions and start screaming racist because they have an uninformed opinion, and have jumped to a ridiculous conclusion with dire consequences. I get all bent out of shape over that. I'm not perfect but I am no racist. I never have been and never will be. That reminds me of the time someone from the NAACP came by our office at the time, to mention they were going to tell the media my boss was a racist if they didn't get what they wanted. (my boss was orthodox jewish) Too irksome and silly.