Cream

Aliantha • Mar 19, 2008 12:29 am
This is one of the quotes from the bottom of the page:

Cream used to come in pitchers. These days it comes in little plastic trapezoids. If you get any of it into your coffee instead of onto your shirt, what it tastes like is water, hydrogenated palm kernel oil, sodium caseinate, sugar, di-potassium phosphate, propylene glycol monostearate, polysorbate 60, stearolyle-lactilate, salt, artificial flavor and color. That's what it tastes like because that's what it is. The advantage over cream is that it costs less and doesn't spoil as fast. Note that this is an advantage to the coffee shop, not to the coffee drinker. A further advantage is that waitresses, whose lives used to be boring, are now steadily amused as one customer after another squirts himself in the chest and utters hilarious and innovative oaths.
--Charles Kuralt, _Dateline America_


What I've often wondered (after watching lots of american tv) is when someone asks if you want cream and sugar in your coffee, do they actually mean milk, or do they really mean cream, in which case, isn't it normally real cream rather than that stuff that comes out of cans?
lumberjim • Mar 19, 2008 12:38 am
cream = half & half
Aliantha • Mar 19, 2008 12:39 am
half milk and half cream? real cream?
lumberjim • Mar 19, 2008 12:40 am
A mixture of half milk and half cream. It has 10-12% milkfat and cannot be whipped.
plural: half-and-half Ingredient
Season: available year-round
Substitutions: Equal parts milk and cream
1 cup half and half = 1 cup less 2 tablespoons milk plus 1 1/2 tablespoons melted butter
Aliantha • Mar 19, 2008 12:42 am
that's what we'd call full cream milk over here. But if we were asking for it at a cafe, we'd just say milk. If you wanted low fat milk, you'd ask for a 'skinny chino' for example or a 'skinny latte'. Meaning a coffee made with low fat milk or trim/skim.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 19, 2008 12:48 am
C'mon, your whole milk has 10-12% butterfat? :headshake
classicman • Mar 19, 2008 1:06 am
Nonfat milk, 1% milk, 2% milk ... half & half, cream. Personally I prefer 1/2 &1/2 - after my cholesterol scare its the only fat laden thing I still consume.
monster • Mar 19, 2008 1:07 am
It ain't regular milk.

half and half is a disgusting American-only gloopy white conconction. You're safer going for black in a coffee bar here, although you have to call it African American.
Aliantha • Mar 19, 2008 1:09 am
I don't know Bruce. I'm just trying to understand the comparison. Maybe there is more fat in the stuff you lot serve in your coffee.

My point is when someone says they want milk in their coffee, they'll get full cream not light milk unless they ask for it specifically. If the fat content is higher in what you refer to as 'cream' for your coffee, then it doesn't really matter does it? Who really gives a fuck if I'm wrong anyway? You're all so intent on setting out to prove it around here. I sometimes wonder why I bother posting at all.

Anyway, I imagine whole milk is the same or similar across the world, so I guess it could be googled if you care enough to find out.
monster • Mar 19, 2008 1:13 am
If you ask for milk in your coffee here, you might as well proclaim your atheismand homosexuality at the same time. Milk is for kids and cereal.
DucksNuts • Mar 19, 2008 1:15 am
Half n Half is Reduced Fat Cream over here, Ali.
Aliantha • Mar 19, 2008 1:16 am
thanks ducks.
Aliantha • Mar 19, 2008 1:35 am
Actually, that makes sense. I bought low fat cream once, and tried to whip it with no success. Now I know why.
lumberjim • Mar 19, 2008 1:39 am
Aliantha;439865 wrote:
I don't know Bruce. I'm just trying to understand the comparison. Maybe there is more fat in the stuff you lot serve in your coffee.

My point is when someone says they want milk in their coffee, they'll get full cream not light milk unless they ask for it specifically. If the fat content is higher in what you refer to as 'cream' for your coffee, then it doesn't really matter does it? Who really gives a fuck if I'm wrong anyway? You're all so intent on setting out to prove it around here. I sometimes wonder why I bother posting at all.


holy fucking touchy mcoversensitive. you totally started it by contradicting what i put up in answer to your question about america......which apparently was just asked to give you the opportunity to talk about yourself as usual... full cream milk is 4-5 %. whole milk. there's 2% , 1% and nonfat also.

if anyone has been shitty lately, it's fucking YOU. i wonder why you bother to post sometime my damn self.
Aliantha • Mar 19, 2008 1:44 am
No, I asked a question and then attempted to discuss it in order to understand. I'm not an expert on milk or dairy products so how would I know?

I gave information so that people could understand the perspective I was speaking from

You can ask your cronies and yourself why I've been short with you lately. I"m sure you'll come up with some warped idea about me hating america and everything in it, but as per usual, you'd be wrong. You've got no fucking idea mr mcfuckingnoidea.
lumberjim • Mar 19, 2008 1:54 am
i dont know about all that.....and i dont know who my cronies are.....and if you want to tell me why youve been short.....be a man and tell me.....or dont.

what i DO know is that the who's online feature seems to have been improved:
Aliantha • Mar 19, 2008 1:59 am
Very mature.

I dislike the attitude that you take with regard to what you think my attitude is towards America.

I think you and your wife and your mate monster are like a pack of mongrel dogs with lookout snapping at your heals when you feel like ganging up on people and your behaviour is disgusting. If you think I'm anti american then whatever. I don't really give a fuck anymore. You can all kiss my far superior Australian arse for all I care.

How's that for straight?
lumberjim • Mar 19, 2008 2:08 am
when people share an opinion or agree about the way some one is acting, it is not always 'ganging up'

you regularly behave as if you know all about america and why your cuntry is so much better. clearly, your opinions are based on what you watch on television... and your judgmental tones and hater attitude have begun to define you. so, stop being a bitch, and go back to being an empty headed animal food trough wiper or i will taunt you a second time.

ps....that's not a typo.
Aliantha • Mar 19, 2008 2:11 am
You know, I might think you were right and I'm the one with the problem, but clearly, I'm not the only person who feels this way about you and your little clique.

I tried being nice to all of you and what happened? One day you went rabid and decided to be a bunch of cunts.

ps...that's not a typo.

Oh yeah, once bitten twice shy. arsehole.
lumberjim • Mar 19, 2008 2:13 am
ive got no clique. and neither do you.

goodnight.
Aliantha • Mar 19, 2008 2:15 am
wrong again.
DucksNuts • Mar 19, 2008 5:47 am
I just typed, deleted, typed, deleted.

So now all I can come up with is....

Fuck up, both of you.
Shawnee123 • Mar 19, 2008 8:54 am
monster;439868 wrote:
If you ask for milk in your coffee here, you might as well proclaim your atheismand homosexuality at the same time. Milk is for kids and cereal.


And Trix are for kids! :rolleyes:
HungLikeJesus • Mar 19, 2008 11:37 am
You never know what you're going to get when you open a thread titled "Cream."
Beest • Mar 19, 2008 1:10 pm
Aliantha;439886 wrote:
my far superior Australian arse for


Pics or shens, Ducks is keping the whole antipodean end up all by herself.

IMHO they don't know cream from a kick up the bum here.

No real cream cakes, eclairs. elephants feet etc. they have this gooey stuff they put in pastry, but it's not the same thing :sniff:

I don't know about in Oz, but DanaC and SG beware if they venture to this heathen land.

My scones have to go with just jam, 'oh the humanity!
Flint • Mar 19, 2008 1:13 pm
LJ has a Dallas Cowboys desktop?! I can see the new stadium being built from where I work.
Sundae • Mar 19, 2008 1:18 pm
Beest;440001 wrote:
I don't know about in Oz, but DanaC and SG beware if they venture to this heathen land.

My scones have to go with just jam, 'oh the humanity!

This may just be relevant now that I have a proper job and can do grown up things like savings. I'll be relying on you & monster to write me a translation book.

And if I ever make it to Aus I'll require the same from Ali, Ducks et al.

I'm glad I don't take milk in my coffee.
But I shudder to think what the Merkins do to tea...
Clodfobble • Mar 19, 2008 2:35 pm
The one thing Americans never do to tea is put milk in it. My entire English class was aghast when our British professor started talking about it like it was the most normal thing.

You can get "milk teas" (with tapioca pearls and a hugeass straw) in Japanese bubble tea shops, but they are specialties, and not really considered tea.
lookout123 • Mar 19, 2008 2:44 pm
I think you and your wife and your mate monster are like a pack of mongrel dogs with lookout snapping at your heals

Hey, step the fuck off. How did i get dragged into your little martyr act? i don't remember even having a beef with you.
Aliantha • Mar 19, 2008 6:29 pm
oh please don't start the australia/US shit again. not even joking.


familiar?
lookout123 • Mar 19, 2008 6:37 pm
Yeah, in a thread where the posters were joking about the relative taste of Australian v Americans. You've got a serious persecution complex.
Aliantha • Mar 19, 2008 6:43 pm
yeah, and not surprising either.

I apologise if you did mean your comment in the best of intentions. The other three know what I'm talking about though. They can deal with it however they like.
DucksNuts • Mar 19, 2008 6:52 pm
Clodfobble;440044 wrote:
The one thing Americans never do to tea is put milk in it. My entire English class was aghast when our British professor started talking about it like it was the most normal thing.

You can get "milk teas" (with tapioca pearls and a hugeass straw) in Japanese bubble tea shops, but they are specialties, and not really considered tea.


If I am having cold green tea....no milk.

As we speak I am enjoying a hot tea, with sugarine and Skinny Milk. :D

When I was over in the States everyone thought I was mad for having hot tea with milk in the morning.
monster • Mar 19, 2008 6:53 pm
Aliantha;439886 wrote:
Very mature.

I dislike the attitude that you take with regard to what you think my attitude is towards America.

I think you and your wife and your mate monster are like a pack of mongrel dogs with lookout snapping at your heals when you feel like ganging up on people and your behaviour is disgusting. If you think I'm anti american then whatever. I don't really give a fuck anymore. You can all kiss my far superior Australian arse for all I care.

How's that for straight?



WTF planet are you on? did you actually read anything I posted or just make assumptions? Did I make one untoward comment about you or your question? Where?
monster • Mar 19, 2008 6:58 pm
monster;439864 wrote:
It ain't regular milk.

half and half is a disgusting American-only gloopy white conconction. You're safer going for black in a coffee bar here, although you have to call it African American.


monster;439868 wrote:
If you ask for milk in your coffee here, you might as well proclaim your atheismand homosexuality at the same time. Milk is for kids and cereal.


Here: My only two comments in this thread. Mocking the merkins and their nasty white stuff, perhaps. But not you. My answer may not have been the most helpful, but in what way does it count as ganging up on you? hmm?
Aliantha • Mar 19, 2008 7:07 pm
Think about the last time you saw me in the chat room monster. Remember some of the nasty things that the three of you had to say.

And yeah, it's only words, so why do I care? Maybe because I'm sick of being told what I think about America. I'm sick of not being able to talk about Australia in a positive light without being accused of hating America. Just because I make a comment one way or another doesn't mean I hate America or Americans. It simply means that I think that particular way about that particular aspect.

The biggest problem is that the internet is full of Americans, so it doesn't matter where you go, you end up with the same accusations if you choose to enter into discussions about world events.
monster • Mar 19, 2008 8:00 pm
erm... I'm not American....

..and you are completely off your trolley..... or is it the wagon you fell off and that's the problem?

It isn't all about you, honey. This permanent victim thing is becoming a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy, isn't it? And a little tiresome to boot. I hope you feel better soon. :)
Aliantha • Mar 19, 2008 8:06 pm
At no point have I suggested you're American. That didn't stop you from jumping on the bandwagon though did it?

Oh and btw, keep your false concern to yourself. You only make yourself look pathetic with your smart remarks. Ask around.
monster • Mar 19, 2008 8:26 pm
what bandwagon?
Griff • Mar 19, 2008 8:29 pm
Let's get back on topic.

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jinx • Mar 19, 2008 8:42 pm
Aliantha;440169 wrote:
The other three know what I'm talking about though. They can deal with it however they like.


Leave me out of your miserable bullshit ali, I'm not interested.
DucksNuts • Mar 19, 2008 8:52 pm
monster;440184 wrote:
erm... I'm not American....

..and you are completely off your trolley..... or is it the wagon you fell off and that's the problem?

It isn't all about you, honey. This permanent victim thing is becoming a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy, isn't it? And a little tiresome to boot. I hope you feel better soon. :)


And yours is what? Permanently on the hunt?

You arent happy unless you have someone to follow around, respond to their posts in a passive aggressive manner.

The shit slinging is very tiresome.

Pot.Kettle.Black regarding the wagon me thinks.
monster • Mar 19, 2008 8:57 pm
DucksNuts;440193 wrote:


The shit slinging is very tiresome.




You are right.
classicman • Mar 19, 2008 9:39 pm
Spring is about to spring.
Sundae • Mar 20, 2008 5:55 am
DucksNuts;440172 wrote:
As we speak I am enjoying a hot tea, with sugarine and Skinny Milk. :D

When I was over in the States everyone thought I was mad for having hot tea with milk in the morning.

I drink my tea de-caff these days, but the mornings (hot or cold) wouldn't be the same without a proper cuppa. Tetley De-Caff, mashed teabag, milk in last, strong enough to trot a mouse across. Aaaaaaaah!

BTW my new boss - from Adelaide - believes you should put the milk in first for both tea & coffee. I therefore assume this is an Australian tradition and claim all Aussies to be heathens too. I am staying at home and spending all my new wages on myself - travelling is too fraught with danger.
DucksNuts • Mar 20, 2008 8:13 am
No no no no!!! You scald the milk if you put the milk in first.

I like my really strong.

Those Adelaidians are a weird breed, they only just got the internetz there you know.
lumberjim • Mar 20, 2008 10:16 am
my mom puts milk in her tea. I grew up thinking that that was normal behavior. On the rare occasion that i drink tea, I drink peppermint tea with nothing in it.
Flint • Mar 20, 2008 10:24 am
lumberjim is a fancy, tea-drinking lady
lumberjim • Mar 20, 2008 10:43 am
you're picturing my pinky extended as I sip from a dainty porcelain teacup.

i think that makes you gay.
Flint • Mar 20, 2008 10:46 am
teabag
Beest • Mar 20, 2008 1:21 pm
DucksNuts;440272 wrote:
No no no no!!! You scald the milk if you put the milk in first.

You say it like it's a bad thing:sniff:

In our own personal tea ceremony I take two cups, pint sized at least, one with a white inner, one black ( we'll both do green, she'll do the blues I don't like them). I put some milk in the white one and half fill it ( PG, loose leaf) then fill the the black one, then top off the first one and milk the second.

I like the white inner, milk in first, monster has the milk second. The difference in taste and colour is obvious and we don't like each others.

I think alot of Americans are drinking 'erbal teas, Earl grey, green tea etc. that I agree shouldn't be drunk with milk ( can't stand them myself anyway.)
British tea, PG tips, Tetley, Red label, is a blend and I think needs to be drunk with milk.

PG Tips wiki
PG Tips is imported as single estate teas from around the world and blended in precise proportions set by the tea tasters to make blend 777, which can contain between 12 and 35 single estate teas at any one time (depending on season, etc.) at the Trafford Park factory in Manchester.


Anyway, back to cream, anyone for whipping ? :whip:
Sundae • Mar 20, 2008 1:29 pm
Oh I agree with things like peppermint, nettle, fruit teas etc - they would be too grim with milk. But you know that "tea" meas good old British tea unless stated otherwise.

I wonder why I put the milk in last? My parents put it in first. Their tea always looks nicer but tastes milkier. Mine has floaty brown bits and makes the roof of my mouth sing.
HungLikeJesus • Mar 20, 2008 1:40 pm
I've been considering buying this book:

The Lady Tasting Tea: How Statistics Revolutionized Science in the Twentieth Century


Griff • Mar 20, 2008 4:45 pm
I like mine prepared much like Sundaes'. She missed the final steps in the process, however. Carefully carry the cup to the sink. Pour the tea down the drain. Take the now warm cup and add black coffee.
kerosene • Mar 20, 2008 5:18 pm
I like Earl Gray or English Breakfast with a little bit of whole milk (to me, that is cream, since my ingestion of dairy is so seldom) and perhaps a little bit of sugar. I love the way the cream looks when I stir it with a spoon in the tea. Everyone who has ever seen me do this to tea has laughed or balked. I don't know why. It just adds a richness to the tea. I think I learned it from Perth, who, incidentally lived in England for 2 years as a child. Perhaps that is where he learned to put "cream" in tea?

I don't drink much tea these days.
Aliantha • Mar 20, 2008 7:32 pm
putting the milk into your tea first is a bit weird, especially if you're using a tea bag, but even if you're using leaf tea and a pot you put the milk in second if you're at my house anyway. I'll second what Ducks said about Adelaidians. They're just plain weird down there...and they talk funny too.
DucksNuts • Mar 21, 2008 6:37 am
I dont think the tea is as strong if you put the milk in the first.

I read/heard somewhere, that the leaves and paper stuff needs a certain temperature to release correctly, so to me, I should get a stronger tea if I dont put cold milk on the bag. LexLogic that is.

One of those stupids *myths* my Pa used to say, was you would get red haired children if you put the milk in first.
Sundae • Mar 21, 2008 8:30 am
DucksNuts;440538 wrote:
One of those stupids *myths* my Pa used to say, was you would get red haired children if you put the milk in first.

We need to check in with LabRat about this!

I was always told if I ate my crusts I'd get curly hair. I wonder which came first, the fact that I love crusts or the fact I've always wanted curly hair...
Trilby • Mar 21, 2008 9:14 am
DucksNuts;440538 wrote:
One of those stupids *myths* my Pa used to say, was you would get red haired children if you put the milk in first.


So that's what I can tell Danny's "father"... :D
skysidhe • Mar 21, 2008 4:19 pm
Chi tea in packets is black spiced tea and I do add half n half to it. My mother in law drinks tea with milk and she is a red blooded American.
Flint • Mar 21, 2008 4:54 pm
Have you heard of tea-totallers? I'm a tea-totalitarian. [COLOR="White"]. . . not really[/COLOR]
jinx • Mar 21, 2008 7:50 pm
I cant drink any tea (black, green, herbal) with milk in it anymore, it grosses me out. When they screw it up at DnD and have to throw it out - and I grew up drinking it with milk (2% or less) in it like my grandmother.
lushchocolateswirl • Mar 21, 2008 7:57 pm
For anyone who is interested .

http://www.dairyaustralia.com.au/content/view/74/193/
lushchocolateswirl • Mar 21, 2008 8:03 pm
alanthia you'll also be interested to know that American butter is not yellow. I know what the ? Ours is yellow because our cows are given pastures all year round, So healthy cows produce yellow butter.:D
jinx • Mar 21, 2008 8:15 pm
Lush, you sure that's not annatto?
All the dairy farms I know of around here (including the one I inherited) let the cows out all year round too... why wouldn't they?
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 22, 2008 12:11 am
The cows get let out, but they're eating hay/silage instead of green grass, in the winter.
TheMercenary • Mar 22, 2008 9:32 am
http://www.kosher.com/images/products/thumb/119/034500632119/034500632119-land-o-lakes-fat-free-half-and-half-1.jpg
I use this.

Nutrition Facts

Serving Size 1 tbsp (7g)

Servings Per Container

Amount Per Serving

Calories 50 Calories from Fat 50


% Daily Value*

Total Fat 6g
9%

Saturated Fat 3.5g
18%

Trans Fat 0g %

Cholesterol 15mg
5%

Sodium 50mg
2%

Total Carbohydrate 0g
0%

Dietary Fiber 0g
0%

Sugars 0g


Protein 0g


Vitamin A
4%

Vitamin C
0%

Calcium
0%

Iron
0%
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 22, 2008 1:25 pm
land-o-lakes-fat-free-half-and-half
Calories 50 Calories from Fat 50

WTF??????