"When do we go after bin Laden?"

I just thought we could post this and other questions like it here. Maybe we'll get answers... maybe not. Go on try it and see.

We don't. If he's alive, he's probably in Pakistan. Is he worth a nuclear conflict, or even driving Pakistan futher into the terrorists hands? I don't think so

xoxoxoBruce;431346 wrote:

We don't. If he's alive, he's probably in Pakistan. Is he worth a nuclear conflict, or even driving Pakistan futher into the terrorists hands? I don't think so

I agree.

I seem to remember trying to get this point across in this thread, and getting blasted for it.

I'm sure there will people that don't agree with me, that's what freedom is all about.

But yer right.

Who is Bin Laden?

He is/was a mythical creature conjured up by the voodoo guru's who report directly to Karl Rove to misdirect our attention after a couple of buildings fell down. Apparently Cheney and his Haliburton pals thought there was good oil to be found under those buildings so they knocked them down. When they found out that it upset people they interrupted George Jr's story time. He's was confused when they started talking about oil and profits, so they came back 7 minutes later and told him about idealists and prophets. That's how the legend of Osama Bin Laden was born. I hear he killed him a bar when he was only three.

Bar as in a Grizzly Bar? lol

classicman;431509 wrote:

Bar as in a Grizzly Bar? lol

ha ha ha ... now I get it ... "sometimes you eat the b'ar, and sometimes the b'ar eats you"

TheMercenary;431373 wrote:

Who is Bin Laden?

Yer kidding, right? Does 9/11 ring a bell?

911 rings the bell at the emergency dispatcher's desk.

Drax;431523 wrote:

Yer kidding, right? Does 9/11 ring a bell?

2007?

TheMercenary;431528 wrote:

2007?

Ha, ha, har-dee-freakin'-har! :D

Bin carrying a load or burden.

Bin drinkin a Latte

We go after Bin Laden on Thursday.

Thanks Spexx - Before or after lunch? I need to know - I might have plans.

classicman;431575 wrote:

Thanks Spexx - Before or after lunch? I need to know - I might have plans.

2:57 PM EST

Whew - I'm busy till about 1:00 so that should fit in just fine - meet you there - k?

BTW - Is anyone else coming?

It's my late coverage night...will we be done before 5?

classicman;431580 wrote:

Whew - I'm busy till about 1:00 so that should fit in just fine - meet you there - k?

You know where his, and haven't told anybody?!?!?

classicman;431581 wrote:

BTW - Is anyone else coming?

Fearless Leader and Simon Bar Sinister. And us.

Are we gonna carpool? We could save fuel that way.

classicman;431588 wrote:

Are we gonna carpool? We could save fuel that way.

Sure, it beats cesspooling all the way to Ladenville.

yeah really - Bin there done that!

bin Laden is cozying up in Waziristan--traditionally the most criminal-friendly place on the planet--thinking of a master plan to acquire a nuke or two from the Pakistani army.

deadbeater;431629 wrote:

bin Laden is cozying up in Washington, D.C.--traditionally the most criminal-friendly place on the planet.

Fixed

I guess I can flex my hours and slide out early. Want we could grab a bite to eat on the way back or should we brown bag it?

Are we gonna go conventional on this or should I bring gas?

last I heard he was camped outside a hospital in CA, trying to see Britney.....

....so we should definitely pick up some sushi on the way. Brown bag is soooo... federline.

Drax;431523 wrote:

Yer kidding, right? Does 9/11 ring a bell?

Everyone knows Saddam did it. "Mission Accomplished".

Ok, who is arranging the cars? - cuz last time I had to listen to tw complain about mgmt. not planning properly the WHOLE TIME.

Sooooooo, Now that Obama is in office - When do we go after Bin Laden?

classicman;525016 wrote:

Sooooooo, Now that Obama is in office - When do we go after Bin Laden?

Obviously ASAP. We know the Marine Corp tried to do that long ago when the Marines wanted completely out of "Mission Accomplished" - to be only in Afghanistan. Obama has been quite blunt about it. Completely out of the unwinnable war - "Mission Accomplished" - in 18 months. Fully into the justified war that Obama has said (quoting the generals) that we are losing - Afghanistan.

How bad has Afghanistan become? Well the military supply line has again been completely cut off by the Taliban. Khyber Pass is again closed to the US military supply line. The military must be supplied from ships. The Khyber Pass was the only supply line. So Russia and unnamed Central Asian republics will now permit supply lines through their territories.

Appreciate how tenuous America’s supply lines have become. Look on maps to see how unloaded ships connect to soldiers in Afghanistan via Central Asia. Because we screwed up for so long, now a war to get bin Laden and his allies will become massively more expensive. But at least we will finally make an effort to get bin Laden. George Jr all but protected bin Laden.

Meanwhile, Cheney was quoted recently as saying bin Laden was not relevant - not a threat to anyone. That makes obvious why America made no effort to get bin Laden for seven years. Cheney wrote America’s enemies list.

:lol2: Good question classic. I want Obama to give us an answer. Right after he closes Gitmo.

Srsly, I just haven't heard Obama really mention him yet. I know its only his first week, but still.
Perhaps the first we'll hear him mention the guy is as his body is being dragged outta the cave that got "bunker busted." That works for me too.

Well until I see some action on his part showing me that he is strong on defense and taking care of some of these terrorism issues, including the borders, I will reserve judgement. I doubt he is going to authorize a bunker buster anywhere, but that is JMHO. I envision him to be more like Clinton and choose not to take action.

TheMercenary;525252 wrote:

I envision him to be more like Clinton and choose not to take action.

Not at all - Now that he is the President? No way.

classicman;525249 wrote:

Srsly, I just haven't heard Obama really mention him yet.

I recall Obama making mention of bin Laden. He made a passing reference to the fact that we have not gone after bin Laden. But going after bin Laden means that the disaster ongoing in Afghanistan must be fixed first. The loss of Khyber Pass only suggests how tenuous the Afghanistan war has become.

Kandahar - a major Afghan city of about 500,000 has 3000 Canadian troops. It is essentially under Taliban control. We have been losing Afghanistan so much and that quickly that even major cities are now controlled by the Taliban.

Then next door is probably the world's greatest threat - Pakistan.

Let's see. Pakistan is an American ally. It has been the only NATO supply line into Afghanistan. Pakistan considers Afghanistan as an enemy. Simply a sound byte example of how complex that problem has become now that we did not even make any effort to get bin Laden.

Appreciate how close to defeat NATO really is in Afghanistan from the NY Times report of 21 Jan 2009 entitled In Afghan South, Taliban Fill NATO’s Big Gaps. In order to get bin Laden, this problem (war) must be solved. A problem that got this bad because America wasted time and resources where threats never existed in "Mission Accomplished".

To get bin Laden means we must completely refight the Afghanistan war - this time having alienated so many potential allies.

I agree with a lot of what you say here, but I think you are painting an overtly negative picture. Its never as good nor as bad as it seems. Once we start moving troops from Iraq to Afghanistan, I think things will turn rather quickly.
Another issue is what do we do after we get him?

What do you think the chances are of getting him alive?

Hopefully ZERO

Capture, interrogation, military trial, execution, burial in suit of bacon.

classicman;525487 wrote:

I agree with a lot of what you say here, but I think you are painting an overtly negative picture. Its never as good nor as bad as it seems. Once we start moving troops from Iraq to Afghanistan, I think things will turn rather quickly.
Another issue is what do we do after we get him?

Optimism doesn't have much to do with the current situation. I don't have the exact numbers as of now but in the past year the Taliban gained about 20% of Afghanistan and now hold around 75% of it. The supply lines in Pakistan are very unstable and Central Asia is not allowing us to send troops or weapons through their routes.

The fight is by no means lost or even close to failure, but the situation is not good at the moment.

Though, I would really like to see some set goals for Afghanistan, bringing freedom and democracy will not cut it.

You mean actual achievable/definable goals? Geez - next thing you'll want is an exit strategy BEFORE we go in.

classicman;525711 wrote:

You mean actual achievable/definable goals? Geez - next thing you'll want is an exit strategy BEFORE we go in.

An exit strategy is always required before going into war. A fact even known 2000 years before North America was (officially) discovered. Had Afghanistan been invaded by responsible leaders, even Phase Four planning was ongoing as the CIA and Special Forces were being deployed. That also requires leaders with basic intelligence and knowledge of military principles well understood even more than 2000 years ago.

The war in Afghanistan must be fought all over again because those simple principles (ie an exit strategy) was a complete mystery the pres Cheney, his sidekick Rumsfeld, and his front man George Jr.

piercehawkeye45;525674 wrote:

... and Central Asia is not allowing us to send troops or weapons through their routes.

Apparently that has changed now that America has a new leader. Supply lines were just recently opened through Central Asia and through Russia.

tw - there was about 5,000,000 ^nth of sarcasm there in that post.

Still no response, when does Obama go after Bin Laden?

I suspect he already has.

Loose lips sink ships.

Don't count on it.