To Die In Jerusalem

If you have not seen this yet you should... The impasse is huge... With these attitudes there is little hope. An HBO Special.

http://www.todieinjerusalem.com/home.cfm

a powerful story; and so bizarre that they looked so much alike!

Cloud;408855 wrote:

a powerful story; and so bizarre that they looked so much alike!

Yea, I had hard time figuring out who was who every time they flashed the girls faces. But those mothers were just going at it. I could not help but feel like the mother from Israel was really wanting to make consessions to the other mother, but the other mother was having none of it and kept repeating the martyrdom line. Very sad.

she probably has to hold on to that; otherwise her daughter's death would just be a waste.

which of course, it is.

Good point Cloud. People handle grief differently. Some go to war and some seek peace. Many women in Northern Ireland strove for peace as a response to bereavement...many became more entrenched in their understandable hatred.

I felt the Israeli woman was very naive.

Why? Cuz she didn't agree with you? I don't think 90% of "Americans" are even remotely equipped to comprehend what people born, bred and living in that part of the world deal with every day. Tough to see this kind of stuff on our TV or watch it on youtube only to turn it off if it makes us too uncomfortable. WE can then go to bed without worrying if our door will be kicked in, our children raped or murdered, a bomb coming in the night...and so on.
I have no personal preference in this situation either way, other than I long for peace for all mankind.

classicman;410635 wrote:

Why? Cuz she didn't agree with you? I don't think 90% of "Americans" are even remotely equipped to comprehend what people born, bred and living in that part of the world deal with every day.

I would say that is a mistake. Many of us have been to that part of the world. The internet and media brings it into our home nightly. There may be a large portion who are naieve, but not the majority IMHO.

classicman;410635 wrote:

Why? Cuz she didn't agree with you? I don't think 90% of "Americans" are even remotely equipped to comprehend what people born, bred and living in that part of the world deal with every day. Tough to see this kind of stuff on our TV or watch it on youtube only to turn it off if it makes us too uncomfortable. WE can then go to bed without worrying if our door will be kicked in, our children raped or murdered, a bomb coming in the night...and so on.
I have no personal preference in this situation either way, other than I long for peace for all mankind.

LOL, too funny, how you chose to read all that into my comment.

TheMercenary;410884 wrote:

I would say that is a mistake. Many of us have been to that part of the world. The internet and media brings it into our home nightly. There may be a large portion who are naieve, but not the majority IMHO.

Being aware of what's happening over there isn't the same as living with it, every minute of every day.
We all know how stressful driving in fog is, but if we don't have fog every time we drive, it's hard to appreciate how hard it is for people that do.

xoxoxoBruce;411212 wrote:

Being aware of what's happening over there isn't the same as living with it, every minute of every day.
We all know how stressful driving in fog is, but if we don't have fog every time we drive, it's hard to appreciate how hard it is for people that do.

That is no different than many things in life. We are all exposed through education, training, and experience to deal with situations that we have not actually had to deal with in real life, i.e. the social worker to deals with psych patients or child abuse, the doctor to treats the gunshot wounds in the inner city hospital, the soldier stationed in Iraq amongst the locals on patrol, the engineer who drills for oil in the North Sea stationed on a rig but does not actually run the drill. You don't need to live it to appreciate the position of other people or what they are going through on a day to day basis.

not to be a whore, but i'm not gonnna die in jerusalem--I'm gonna die right here in Ohio. Of liver failure or tragic medication/alcohol mix accident. despite my cancer, odds are better that a basement fire or hemorrhagic liver disease will win out.

Well Bri, if you decide to be a whore... be sure and let me know. [SIZE="1"][COLOR="Gray"]wink wink, nudge nudge.[/COLOR][/SIZE]

rkzenrage;410886 wrote:

LOL, too funny, how you chose to read all that into my comment.

No just "Why? Cuz she didn't agree with you?"

Nothing else you posted was worth responding to, Funny how your post is "off topic and yet YOU are the one who accuses everyone else of just that. Read your own posts much?? Guess not. Then again, why should you be any different than anyone else.

TheMercenary;410884 wrote:

I would say that is a mistake. Many of us have been to that part of the world. The internet and media brings it into our home nightly. There may be a large portion who are naieve, but not the majority IMHO.

I totally disagree with you Merc - A very small percentage have even been out of the states, let alone gone there specifically. Why would they even want to for that matter? The point I am trying to make is that there is a BIG difference between living it and reading it or watching it on TV.

classicman;411265 wrote:

No just "Why? Cuz she didn't agree with you?"

Nothing else you posted was worth responding to, Funny how your post is "off topic and yet YOU are the one who accuses everyone else of just that. Read your own posts much?? Guess not. Then again, why should you be any different than anyone else.

I think he's gone actually Classic. Some puppies crashed into one of his threads and he hasn't posted since.

Behold the power of puppies!!

It just showed how low this board has become, even the owner participates in what would have once been looked down upon.
This was once a place where people could be cared for instead of anything they shared they knew would be used against them.
There are a few kind people here left, but they choose not to speak out about the common behavior now like they used to when it was uncommon.
I will probably leave.
I start the threads I find interesting, most are not about religion as a few people who like to follow me from thread to thread doing nothing but insulting me, stalking (that is the only word for it). Which I have never started in any way.
A logical person with any manners or decent upbringing would simply avoid topics they are not interested in discussing, as I choose to do.
That is no longer the norm here and is now being encouraged by the staff.
I will probably tie up some loose ends then go to a place with a modicum of decorum.

classicman;411269 wrote:

The point I am trying to make is that there is a BIG difference between living it and reading it or watching it on TV.

Ok, I can buy that, but don't discount us who are world travelers, eh?

Thats one of the great things about the Cellar - it brings so many different views, experiences and perspectives together into one place so that we may share and learn from each other.