If you like my music, we can be friends?
It's true enough. Don't we tend to think more of a person if they like the same music we like? If they reaffirm our own decisions? I think it matters if you like the Simpsons. If you don't ....I probably don't like you very much. If I think your music suck, you might get offended. But you didn't write the songs......
Nobody likes the
music I like
And I
have no friends except for that Tom guy.
Rings true for me.
Tony, I'm sorry to be the one to break this to you, but Tom works for MySpace. he greets everyone....automatically.
we kind of like you around here though. lil bit
Depends...if I share enough musical interests, we're cool. I like a lot of different shit, so I can't possibly expect someone to like all that I like.
Yeah, just think of him as Rupert Murdoch's little Myspace imp.
well, don't you look twice when someone tells you that depeche mode is their current fave?
Sure...they automatically become my second best friend for at least 10 minutes. Then they probably gush about Erasure and I beat them to death.
That's it! That Tom fucker is gone! Lousy liar and creep! And I got me a new friend!
Don't worry, Undertoad. I've a secret crush on you.
*blush*
But anyway back to the original question, I think we as a society are in trouble, because we are increasingly judging people by smaller and smaller criteria until we can only associate with people just like us.
I work with people from different cultures every day, and they are fine warm people with excellent senses of humor. Nigerian, Indian, Japanese. The different cultures amaze me. What also amazes me is what we don't have in common. And how important it is, or isn't.
As people talk with my co-worker Sudatta, they say things that I realize she doesn't quite "get". Someone said "I hate that elevator music" and I saw the comment go without acknowledgment. And I thought about it: the term "elevator music" is going out of use, since they actually rarely play music in elevators nowadays.
So not only has Sudatta not heard the term, but she has never experienced music in an elevator. But it's worse than that. When you stop to think about it, the entire idea, that there would be a form of music strictly for elevators, is totally bizarre!
So I tried to explain it: ok, they used to broadcast simpler versions of popular songs on elevators... simpler versions... which some people preferred, but which more, uh, cultured people, disliked, because they were simpler versions... and then this became a form of ridicule...
Wow. To us, the term "elevator music" conveys so much, culturally, that it's brutally difficult to convey it in mere words. Where we struggle to say "what is reggae", "what is elevator music" is even worse, because there are deep cultural notions involved.
But what if you're in the culture? Even then, each decade likes different things and sees art and entertainment from their point of view. A 20-something will see Springsteen as this over-the-hill folksy political guy, while a 40-something will seem him as the savior of an original form of rock, a hero to their sensibilities.
Does that mean that I, an American, can't be friends with the Nigerian / Indian / Japanese / etc or with 20-somethings or 60-somethings or 80-somethings. No, I find for me it doesn't prevent being friends, because the things that I rank in importance aren't so cultural, I don't need too much validation, and I don't have a very big pool.
Music is a big part of many people's lives and especially if someone listens to non-mainstream music, they like the idea of someone sharing the same tastes as them.
The type of music someone listens to can sometimes tell a lot about a person so if you share the same taste in music, there is a good chance you will share other, more important traits that can lead to a strong bond between two people.
What about all the people that think music is what's making the windows rattle when the ghetto cruisers go down the street?.
fuck them. that shit will rot your brains
No, I mean people that don't listen to music, at least intensionally, and think music is what's rattling their windows.... or telling them what's coming on the tube.
Music friends can be just that. Music friends..... Like the friends I had that I only saw at live shows. Kind of a shallow association.
But sometimes it's just a great beginning to a beautiful frienship.
I had the opposite happen--when I was interning at a recording studio, there was another intern there for a short period of time. We got along okay, and then randomly one day I happened to have my CD wallet brought in from the car*, and he started thumbing through it and finally just made this disgusted face and muttered, "So many things I've never heard of..." From then on, he acted weirdly standoffish with me. It's not even like he hated the bands, he had just never heard of them!
*Oh yeah! It was because the singer of some local band that was recording that day had a "They Might Be Giants" song stuck in his head, but couldn't remember the lyrics so it was driving him nuts, and I had the CD with me so I played it for him.
That's what you get for owning Britney Spears and Willa Ford CDs. ;)
Who? Never heard of 'em.
:)
Clod, it was because he suddenly realized you knew more than he did and from then on was afraid to misspeak and have you laugh either to his face or worse behind his back .
I bet your opinion of him slid a bit then? closed minded guy.... thats what i mean. his attitude is indicative of his personality. SOmeone that pulls a move like that is obviously a douchebag, right? Were later encounters true to course?
You don't need to love the same music, but you need not to hate the "music" they love :D
LJ - yeah, mostly I guess. I kind of suspected he was a douchebag beforehand though. It's hard to say whether the music encounter made me see what I already knew was there, or unfairly colored my opinion, or what... The studio manager made no bones about the fact that he liked me better though. I was there to work and to learn; he was there to hopefully get some of his own music recorded when no one else was using the studio.
I like so many different kinds of music that I can find something in common, musically speaking, with almost everyone. But if someone is so shallow as to think less of me because I'm not an expert or raving fan about their fave music, then I don't much care to waste my time cultivating a 'friendship' with them in the first place.
My experience is that I don't necessarily like people who like the same music I do (classical, broadway, some jazz). In fact I've said before many classical music lovers are stuck-up snobs. (<-- easy straight line for anybody who wants it.)
But... I can kind of see something like... if you like The Simpsons, you probably have a certain sense of humor. That doesn't mean you're going to be buddy-buddy with everybody else who likes the show. But if somebody thinks it's juvenile, crude, and generally offensive to right-thinking people, then that may be somebody you won't get along that well with.
I kind of suspected he was a douchebag beforehand though.
Huge laugh at the Griff res on this.
I like so many different kinds of music that I can find something in common, musically speaking, with almost everyone. But if someone is so shallow as to think less of me because I'm not an expert or raving fan about their fave music, then I don't much care to waste my time cultivating a 'friendship' with them in the first place.
I actually AVOID conversations about music whenever possible because I like music, a lot, but I don't study up on bands and I rarely even know the name of the song/band I'm enjoying. I've had enough conversations with those "shallow people" that they've managed to make me feel BAD about this, so now I just tell everyone that I don't listen to music at all.
What's a "res?"
I think he means residence, but reservation would be more like it.
I think he means residence, but [edit][COLOR="Red"]compound[/COLOR][/edit] would be more like it.
That's what I was thinking but it didn't start with res.
You don't need to love the same music, but you need not to hate the "music" they love :D
Eff yeah, man. There's nothing more pervasive than "I like every kind of music.. (and then the inevitable caveat) Except I hate rap and country."
Which usually means "I like pop music."
People like that tend to avoid death metal as well...
People like that don't know what they're missing.
Since nobody ever likes the kind of music I like, this is typically a non-issue.
one of the girls in the ofice found out that I like tenacious D. she's wanted me badly ever since. she even made me a copy of her Tenacious D disc. I seriously reevaluated my opinion of her at that point, too. i mean...what kind of a freak would want ME.....besides jinx.
But you treat Jinx better than anyone else, possibly even yourself.
What kind of music do you like Wolf?
I have a very eclectic taste in music. I'm not too keen on hiphop, metal that's so heavy you can't make out the lyrics, free-form jazz and atonal music, but apart from that I'll listen to anything. Including country and yeah, some rap is okay.
So for me it depends on how tolerant the other person is. If it's someone who likes only pop or only classical or only opera and nothing else, chances are the person is too intolerant in other respects as well for me to bother with for very long. My "favorite band" changes frequently enough that I can't dislike someone for not liking my current favorite.
What kind of music do you like Wolf?
I can listen to Rammstein, followed by Rupert Holme's Pina Colada Song and not have my head explode.
The problem is not one particular type of music, but rather in the whiplash-inducing changes ...
, followed by Rupert Holme's Pina Colada Song and not have my head explode.
...
Unpopular opinion: I hate that song. To paraphrase O Brother Where Art Thou:
(s)he: you was fixin' to cheat on me
(s)he: but it ended up being me!
(s)he: but you didn't know that at the time
(s)he: so I was a sleazy cheater until I DID know
:D
Music taste, like anything else, is something two people can have in common. Naturally, the more you have in common, the more you connect with that person, at least on that particular level.
Most of my friends have a similar taste to mine. The differences are what I look forward to - expanding my taste as I am introduced to artists/genres/etc I otherwise would not have known about.
That being said, I once discontinued a relationship with someone for playing Britney Spears in my truck.
I can listen to Rammstein, followed by Rupert Holme's Pina Colada Song and not have my head explode.
The problem is not one particular type of music, but rather in the whiplash-inducing changes ...
I like music that does that. I have some bands that will play really intense metal then break into this perfectly melodic part with really good singing, then right back to metal.
I like music that does that. I have some bands that will play really intense metal then break into this perfectly melodic part with really good singing, then right back to metal.
Ah, the bi-polar bands. ;)
The joys of shuffle on iPod...one minute, I'll be listening to Bach, the next minute King Diamond.
Ah, the bi-polar bands.;)
Just like my roommate...:neutral:
Ah, I am so out there with music. It is so dependent on my mood, to the point that I will really like something one day, and dislike it, severely, the next. And a month later I will like it again. One day I will be whining about how much I can't stand modern country and the next I will be saying "Hey, I want to listen to some country." I think it is my constant effort to accept everything I hear, but only some genres at a time. There are some that I like every day, so I suppose those count as my "core" taste in music.
That probably didn't reveal anything about my taste in music.
Since is was brought up....They Might Be Giants is coming here on tour! Giving me a well earned break from Alt. Country.
I would hestitate to introduce someone to them. Especially if you know beforehand that it won't be appreciated. Piker.
;)
My girlfriend is an Opera fiend. I pretend that I don't care much for it... but I am secretly coming to enjoy it greatly....
The shame, the shame! :redface:
I hate the kids songs, they hate my songs and we have a beautiful relationship.
I'm just so used to people having bad taste in music, that I overlook it. Been married to my wife for 16 years, and her music tastes still haven't improved, but everything else has.:3eye: Far more important to me is what books they like, such as The World According to Garp, or their movie choices, like the greatest movie ever made, The Kentucky Fried Movie.
I'm just so used to people having bad taste in music, that I overlook it. Been married to my wife for 16 years, and her music tastes still haven't improved, but everything else has.:3eye: Far more important to me is what books they like, such as The World According to Garp, or their movie choices, like the greatest movie ever made, The Kentucky Fried Movie.
I just bought KFM. I was thinking of watching it tonight (assuming I quit messing around on the Cellar, leave work, and get home before midnight).
But that doesn't mean we could be friends.
I guess getting along with someone who has your taste in music could just be that you'll have something light and (pretty much) meaningless to talk to, something you can probably resort to talking about again if conversation finds itself stalling. It's always easier (and arguably less meaningful) to talk to someone when you dont have to grasp around for subjects
Anybody around here listen to any rockabilly?
Used to be a minor fan of Reverend Horton Heat, back in the day, but haven't listened in a long time.
Just saw the good Reverend last Saturday night in St. Louis...I believe this was time #12. He beat ass as usual.
I play in a six piece band. Five of us went to high school together...33 years ago.
I'd say music can and does help keep friends together.
My friends and I 'swap' music a lot. We have very eclectic tastes between us, but most of us like most of the stuff each of the other likes.
I can't present any evidence about music, but you know how netflix lets you know how similar to you other members are? The closest that I have ever seen to me is a 60% match. My musical tastes are similarly varied. Speaking of which ... I don't have anywhere near enough netflix friends. Anyone want to be netflix voyeurs to each other?
If April and I finally join, we're in.
most of us like most of the stuff each of the other likes.
SHEESH. say that 5 times fast.
If someone picks their "friends" based on similar tastes, judges those who like things they don't, they are a moron and deserve what they get.
I love the fact that those in my peer group enjoy and expose me to things I have previously misunderstood and if they like something I do not, I really don't see how that is an issue with our friendship?
These are the same people who think they know something about someone because of what sport team they like.
If someone picks their "friends" based on similar tastes, judges those who like things they don't, they are a moron and deserve what they get.
I know what you meant by that, and frankly, I'm just being pedantic, but doesn't everybody choose their friends based on similar tastes? Not necessairly similar tastes in all things...but some sort of shared reference and commonality of taste/views/opinions etc would surely be useful when making friends?
I changed my mind.
I, for one, am emotional graveyard, and don't care whether or not I have friends. In fact, I have no friends. I rather enjoy speaking at people about things of which I am so knowledgeable, and they are not, they certainly would just have to listen to me edumacate them on all topics of which they are ignorant, which would be, well, all topics.
And I certainly would not want to chat it up with some douchebag that went to the same fabulous concert that I attended. That's ricockulous.
Not at all... in fact I am often attracted to people with different tastes than myself. I see it as an opportunity to learn and be exposed to a different point of view.
On the other hand, I used to really dislike country music... I now have a large collection of older, American Roots Music, much of which is early country which a new friend taught me to appreciate properly.
This is after growing-up on a ranch and being exposed to it and hating it for most of my life.
I have friends with VASTLY different political and artistic views, that watch television programs religiously that you could not chain me in front of without my asking you to take a bribe to stop...
I just don't see the connection.
For me it is more about how people express themselves, the ideas about respect and if they are interesting or not, that is about it.
Two of my best friends are far older than I, deeply religious and have VASTLY different tastes than I. But, I love them with all of my heart and they are more family to me than most I happen to be related to.
Tastes mean nothing and say nothing about who you are.
ricockulous
Gets rid of boggart.
I'm a Cowboys Fan.
Great, do you think this carries some kind of meaning?
Do you attach real emotion to those who are fans of some other team?
If it is in fun I think that is great, but there are those who will actually not like those who like other teams... those people are simpletons.
Tastes mean nothing and say nothing about who you are.
Tastes mean a great deal. Doesn't mean you have to share identical tastes with your friends. Many of my friends have different musical tastes and television tastes to me...but there are areas in which we find commonality: maye in politics, maybe simply in communication style. I learn from them and expand my own tastes by interacting with them (I recently developed a taste for jazz music having been introduced to it by a friend). But there will be some area of commonality.
It is not shallow to want to be friends with someone with whom you share interests/opinions or tastes. Nor does it preclude having friends who seemingly share nothing with you.
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That's ricockulous.
yOINk!!
I have a wide scope of music that I enjoy from the '50s & up. Not partial to early country - some of the new stuff isn't so bad. A couple of rap songs. But I also like classical music. I like musicals - I've seen Phantom of the Opera & CATS (2). Surely though an individual would have other interests besides music to base friendship. (I'm a Raiders fan) - whats that say.
That you love assholes. ;)
These are the same people who think they know something about someone because of what sport team they like.
I'm a Cowboys Fan.
Great, do you think this carries some kind of meaning?
Do you attach real emotion to those who are fans of some other team?
now, this is why i'm so vehement in my skeptecism about your supposed intellect. your mensa this and 'my students' that. If you were really gifted....forget about 170s, you'd have gotten that quip.
can anyone else explain that correlation to him? I don't want to assume that everyone gets it.....but I hafta think at least some of you do.
Great, do you think this carries some kind of meaning?
Where he's from, thems fightin' words.
No, seriously.
Friends of mine own the medical services company that supplies ambulances and EMTs to large sporting events, concerts, and the like.
You do literally take your life into your hands if you wear opposing teamwear in the stadium.
can anyone else explain that correlation to him? I don't want to assume that everyone gets it.....but I hafta think at least some of you do.
Oh, crap. That was a lot funnier than I thought it was.
It can't be explained, you just hadda be there ...
Of course hating someone for their tastes is stupidity, but commonality is important because it's a very quick way to make a small bond to work from. I admit that when I see someone wearing a Lions shirt at the gym, I'm more prone to look on them in a better light. It's just a natural social bonding thing, probably stemming from some evolutionary imperative. Maybe when we were monkeys all the Lions fans banded together to protect themselves from the Bears... pun intended. But you're right Dana, it shouldn't preclude having friends outside of your normal personality type.
yOINk!!
niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice:thumb:
I took Pete and the kids to see Bela Fleck and the Flecktones last night. we can still be friends? Lil' Pete asked me, "Why isn't this called the Vic Wooten Band?"
Black and Gold baby!
I'll be your part-time friend for the sake of the music, but I cannot abide those colors!
*sigh* We're good until next weekend then?
Attaque, Parade, Coup de pointe, Changement de Rythme...
Well- I can't say that I don't discriminate because of music taste. I do have a knee jerk reaction to people that listen to The Insane Clown Posse (aka ICP), get the tattoos, and cover their car with hatchets. I guess that makes me a jerk. But ok. When I see good decent kids sign on to the psycho posse and act like idiots I just have to shake my head and hope it's only a bad phase.
I know I listened to ridiculous music as a kid too-so I try to understand..... But I have to admit, if my peers like them I take another look at who I'm talking to. And I then deeply reconsider.
I do have a knee jerk reaction to people that listen to The Insane Clown Posse (aka ICP)...
This one dude forced me to watch an ICP movie; and he was right there, making sure I understood what happened in each scene, and why it was funny/awesome. I can't say that I ever hung out with that dude, ever again.
The only (slightly) amusing thing about ICP is their fake "rap war" with Eminem, and that's just because I'm a big fan of satire.
Flint.Hmmmm....did he try to get you over to his trailer to smoke meth too? Isn't that really why you never hung out again?Or did he try to get you in on a good old fashioned redneck snuff film? Or something to that effect? Maybe I see the love of ICP as a sign of much much greater problems. A symptom of complete dysfunction and the "professed" validation of it.
See? Kneeeeeee jerk. Anything but ICP and the people who are dumb enough to try and make you understand it.
Sorry- I'm such a bit**. But I have never seen the force of stupidity so great as one in an ICP fan.
A crazy man with a hatchet on the back window of my car is cool? Sorry. Not so much.
Call me stupid for staying away from people because of their tastes (Quee). Especially if their tastes include eating puppies.
Your assumptions are valid, in this case.
I propose that there is no "good reason" to be an ICP fan.
I propose that you, Flint and Cicero are crackheads. I like some of ICP's stuff...that's doesn't mean I'm a total malcontent. :)
Who the hell is ICP?
There, do you like me more now? Can I be your friend? What if I tell you I'm serious? I seriously have no idea who this clown posse is. I'm gonna assume it's some kind of rap group that tries to be funny.
Who the hell is ICP?
A hip-hop
duo from Detroit.
The ICP thing, and similar... I will say that people who are into groups and stuff to the point of being fanboys and take on identities based on their liking something does put me off. I see it as a sign of mental weakness and just really weird.
What is the "good reason" you have for liking ICP Sycamore?
I find some humor in them. The shit they say is so ridiculous, I can't help but laugh. Having said that, I can't listen to one of their CDs all the way through because it becomes a bit much to me.
They are total satire, but it seems that their fanboys take them way too seriously.
They don't see the joke because they are actually the kind of people being made fun of?
Which reminds me of something else: rap artists flaunting big wads of money on their album cover, when the people buying the album, and listening to the lyrics about how much money the guy has, are actually providing the money! The rap artist must be laughing, because all that money on the album cover is your money! He's rapping about taking your money, in exchange for rapping about taking your money.
Interesting............We were talking about fans Syc.....here's a couple:
http://www.fradical.com/Insane_Clown_Posse_fans_attack_park_visitors.htm
Idiots.
Oh, some of the Juggalos are fucking nuts...it's overkill, IMO.
Flint, have you ever since the video for The Roots' "What They Do"? A total parody of hip-hop...very funny.
And I'd argue that the money some rappers throw around is more likely to be the label's money initially.
Whatever the case may be, it's a circular phenomenon. Paying money to listen to a rap about money. Rapping about money, to make money, to rap about the money you made rapping about the money you have, that you made by rapping about having the money.
15 year old kids just buy it up. Its really sad that hip hop is being represented by that shit. The Underground moment is growing but it won't be enough to topple the diluted down fake gangsta/dance rap.
One of my lunatics stalked ICP. Went to their business office and ended up in a nuthouse there, too.
Eh. My really close (as in, if I knew I had 20 minutes to live I would call them) friends and I don't necessarily have tastes in common -- we turn each other on to new stuff and sometimes make fun of each other for liking certain bands/movies/tv shows. I like to hear about the different and sometimes (from my POV) wacky stuff that other people are interested in.
On the other hand, as a person with a day job, I get a lot of my socializing at nighclubs and concerts -- meaning that a lot of the people I socialize with like the same kinds of music I like, or they wouldn't be there. Some of the people I've met at these events get to be friends, either of the close variety or (more likely) just people I see around sometimes and stop to have a drink with. Sure, I have met people who agree with me about music but are total assholes otherwise (including one of the best DJs I have ever heard, who is a giant cock in my not-so-humble opinion), but I have also met people through music who turn out to be worthwhile to hang out with in other ways -- just like meeting people through any other interest or hobby.
"1.21 Juggalos!"
"What the hell is a Juggalo?"
"1.21 Juggalos!"
"What the hell is a Juggalo?"
The Urban Dictionary, while having numerous entries on the topic, is of absolutely no help here.
It's true enough. Don't we tend to think more of a person if they like the same music we like? If they reaffirm our own decisions? I think it matters if you like the Simpsons. If you don't ....I probably don't like you very much. If I think your music suck, you might get offended. But you didn't write the songs......
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Since I've enjoyed a wide range of musical styles for the majority of my years, I have not been too concerned about what another likes or doesn't, a number of other attributes and traits have always weighed in so much more heavily. And I have found that anyone that is working at getting close (really close) to me, looks for me to share what I'm listening to so that she feels she gets to know who I am in one of a number of ways and until the two of us are no longer SO close anymore she always says how much she likes what I'm listening to and, often, introducing her to...now if I can just find a gal who will stick with me for the rest of "this long strange trip I'm on" we will happily continue to enjoy the same music...Also the other folks I usually interact with through the years do not really have music listening as something they will spend time actively pursuing, so, often they are something of "an empty vessel" I appear to end up filling, and since everything I like and listen to is good <grin> they can't help but appreciate the music I like. :footpyth:
I confess my vessel has been filled by a couple of people through the years.
I now try to fill my own. What an incredible journey! ....fumbling toward something good.
anyway, welcome to the cellar night owl.
I've been thinking about this...
#1: You don't have to like the same music as me, for me to be cool with you, as a person.
But that may have something to do with this:
#2: You don't have to like the same music as me, for me to play in a band with you.
In other words, I will find something to appreciate in any kind of music, just like I will find something to appreciate in any kind of person. I mean, I try. Yeah, it's hard sometimes, but I think this is a way to grow as a person; by expanding your boundaries instead of guarding your limitations.