Good Morning, Idiot America

Kitsune • Aug 16, 2007 11:31 am
Will these years be known as the start of America trusting its gut over sound analysis and science? Here's a decent article on the trend of people no longer equating intelligence with success and why we're looking more to television and the government for simple answers to hard questions.

What will happen, though, when an entire generation of children grows up under these ideals? Will these delusions drive us to more gut-feeling reactions about international policy, education, and the devaluation of science?

"Even in the developing world, where I spend lots of time doing my work," Hodges says, "if you tell them that you're from MIT and you tell them that you do science, it's a big deal. If I go to India and tell them I'm from MIT, it's a big deal. In Thailand, it's a big deal. If I go to Iowa, they could give a rat's ass. And that's a weird thing, that we're moving in that direction as a nation."


Because scientific expertise was dragged into political discussion, and because political discussion is hopelessly corrupt, the distrust of scientific expertise is now as general as the dis-trust of politicians is. Everyone is an expert, so nobody is. For example, Sean Hannity's knowledge of, say, stem-cell research is measured precisely by his ratings book. His views on the subject are more well known than those of the people doing the actual research.


"We've been attacked," [Pastor Ray Mummert] says, "by the intelligent, educated segment of the culture."
Spexxvet • Aug 16, 2007 11:36 am
These are the same people who absolutely will not question anything said by their porn-addicted, greedy, money-grubbing, alduterous, homosexual, drug-using, hateful, violent, racist, bigoted, stupid, hypocritical religious leaders.
Kitsune • Aug 16, 2007 12:22 pm
Aw, this is what I get for being so far behind on posts, here. (not to mention not venturing into the Philosophy forum enough)

Yup, I duped it.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 16, 2007 1:13 pm
Spexxvet;375296 wrote:
These are the same people who absolutely will not question anything said by their porn-addicted, greedy, money-grubbing, alduterous, homosexual, drug-using, hateful, violent, racist, bigoted, stupid, hypocritical religious leaders.
Not to be confused with the porn-addicted, greedy, money-grubbing, adulterous, homosexual, drug-using, hateful, violent, racist, bigoted, stupid, hypocritical, politicians.
Spexxvet • Aug 16, 2007 1:35 pm
xoxoxoBruce;375332 wrote:
Not to be confused with the porn-addicted, greedy, money-grubbing, adulterous, homosexual, drug-using, hateful, violent, racist, bigoted, stupid, hypocritical, politicians.


Correct. Don't listen to the porn-addicted, greedy, money-grubbing, adulterous, homosexual, drug-using, hateful, violent, racist, bigoted, stupid, hypocritical, politicians or the porn-addicted, greedy, money-grubbing, adulterous, homosexual, drug-using, hateful, violent, racist, bigoted, stupid, hypocritical, religious leaders. Listen to the porn-addicted, greedy, money-grubbing, adulterous, homosexual, drug-using, hateful, violent, racist, bigoted, stupid, hypocritical, scientists.
LabRat • Aug 16, 2007 1:56 pm
hey!

watch your tongue when you talk about porn-addicted scientists from iowa!
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 16, 2007 2:17 pm
It's your tongue I'd rather watch.
Rexmons • Aug 16, 2007 3:11 pm
And they called it, puppy love...
DanaC • Aug 16, 2007 6:57 pm
This is no place for a puppy!
elSicomoro • Aug 16, 2007 7:04 pm
I'd like to kick some people like puppies.

"Don't wanna be an American idiot
One nation controlled by the media
Information age of hysteria
Calling out to idiot America"
yesman065 • Aug 16, 2007 8:13 pm
Its from Esquire - What'd you expect?
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 16, 2007 8:52 pm
Isn't Esquire another term for lawyer?
yesman065 • Aug 16, 2007 8:59 pm
Yeah, but this rag has nothing to do with that - more like this:

"Esquire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia An esquire (abbreviated Esq.) is a person of a certain social status; always rather vague in its extent, the term has become practically meaningless today. "
DanaC • Aug 16, 2007 9:01 pm
A man or boy who is a member of the gentry in England ranking directly below a knight.
2. Abbr. Esq. Used as an honorific usually in its abbreviated form, especially after the name of an attorney or a consular officer: Jane Doe, Esq.; John Doe, Esq.
3. In medieval times, a candidate for knighthood who served a knight as an attendant and a shield bearer.
4. Archaic An English country gentleman; a squire.
yesman065 • Aug 16, 2007 9:23 pm
Yeah, but this rag has nothing to do with that
DanaC • Aug 16, 2007 9:33 pm
Well, in a way it does. The use of Esquire both as a term for males of the lower gentry (with the subtext it gained as a term for young bachelors) and also for attorneys etc, which was a fairly typical career for the sons of the wealthy, meant that the term took on wealthy, playboy aspects. Hence Esquire for a men's mag.
yesman065 • Aug 16, 2007 9:43 pm
I got that Dana, but that mag is full of crap - It has no standards of anything - For example - from their mainpage:
Esquire wrote:
In these exclusive, Esquire-only videos, learn the secrets of shaving that your dad never taught you, watch a savant draw a cityscape from memory, or see the folks at BlendTec grind an Esky into a toxic powder.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 16, 2007 10:34 pm
I've seen that savant draw the cityscape from memory, on youtube, it's fantastic. They take him for a helicopter ride over Rome and then he draws like a 20' long panorama in complete detail. It includes the number and layout of the windows and the trim detail of every building.


Uh, now back to the regularly scheduled thread.
TheMercenary • Aug 17, 2007 7:04 pm
The Mercenary, Esq.

I like it! :D