Stubborn People Suck

freshnesschronic • Jun 25, 2007 1:38 am
Is there a personality disorder for extremely stubborn people who might never realize that they are wrong? I hate it when I have to give up my argument because they are too much of a blockhead to budge and even see someone else's view. I think it should be diagnosed.
lumberjim • Jun 25, 2007 1:52 am
why bother....they're 10% of the population. a known element. there is a segment of 10% that is completely suggestible on the other end of the spectrum that balances them out...

concentrate on the other 80%. they make all the difference.
freshnesschronic • Jun 25, 2007 1:55 am
<<Sigh>>
If life was as easy as LJ says it was, if only.
lumberjim • Jun 25, 2007 1:56 am
did i say life was easy?
freshnesschronic • Jun 25, 2007 1:57 am
No, but just saying in general, the way you put it.
lumberjim • Jun 25, 2007 2:00 am
i'm just saying that those people only hurt them selves by being that way. dont you waste time tryng to convert them....it saps your energy, and has no positive yeild. in other words:


ah.....fuck 'em.
Jeboduuza • Jun 25, 2007 2:06 am
Awwww freshnesschronic and lumberjim playing nice in the sandbox how cuuuuuuuute.

Kodak moment, guys, big hug!
Aliantha • Jun 25, 2007 4:00 am
I agree with lj on this one. Don't waste your time on people who refuse to listen. Worry about the ones who do.
DucksNuts • Jun 25, 2007 5:42 am
You two are... like, in love or something....its seriously freakin' me out!!!
Aliantha • Jun 25, 2007 6:36 am
nope. definitely not. he grosses me out.

He eats pork chops for snacks!
lumberjim • Jun 25, 2007 8:35 am
Aliantha;358610 wrote:
nope. definitely not. he grosses me out.

He eats pork chops for snacks!

and you wake your husband up with your farts. your point?
TheMercenary • Jun 25, 2007 9:15 am
freshnesschronic;358579 wrote:
Is there a personality disorder for extremely stubborn people who might never realize that they are wrong? I hate it when I have to give up my argument because they are too much of a blockhead to budge and even see someone else's view. I think it should be diagnosed.

You fail to consider that your position on your argument could be wrong, therefore you may just be a part of the 10% that fails to bend to reason.
:earth:
freshnesschronic • Jun 25, 2007 11:56 am
TheMercenary;358629 wrote:
You fail to consider that your position on your argument could be wrong, therefore you may just be a part of the 10% that fails to bend to reason.
:earth:


Knew it was coming. But I do know when I'm wrong once I realize it, I am not overly stubborn. And that's not just me being stubborn and saying I'm not.
Cloud • Jun 25, 2007 2:04 pm
arguments never convince anyone of anything. Give up trying, you're only causing yourself grief.
Shawnee123 • Jun 25, 2007 2:24 pm
freshnesschronic;358675 wrote:
know when I'm wrong once I realize it, .


I know I'm wrong once I realize it, too. :confused: So is it still being stubborn if you don't realize that you're wrong, or are you stubborn if you fail to realize that you're wrong if you really don't think you're wrong, or does not realizing mean that you're not wrong or is being wrong the absence of realization...etc and so on?
LabRat • Jun 25, 2007 3:39 pm
No, stubborn people tell their husbands to stuff it, then hand them the lotion.





14 hours, and I'm the first one to post a play on words this easy? C'mon. Stop staying up all night with Sundae, it's slowing you guys down :D
Aliantha • Jun 25, 2007 5:54 pm
lumberjim;358622 wrote:
and you wake your husband up with your farts. your point?



My point is, I could never love a man who eats pork chops for snack.
elSicomoro • Jun 25, 2007 6:38 pm
Well, good thing I have April then...mmmm...pork chops...*drools*
lumberjim • Jun 25, 2007 7:18 pm
Aliantha;358762 wrote:
My point is, I could never love a man who eats pork chops for snack.



well...let's clarify. it was not pork chopS. it was pork CHOP. singular. also...it was probably not what you imagine a pork chop to be.
Jinx gets center cut pork chops....very lean white meat.....marinades them, and grills them. it's like a tiny little steak. about 4 inches by 3, and 1 inch thick. tasty as all hell and Atkins friendly.

now......time for you to make waking your husband up with you farts sound cute.


I'm waiting.
lumberjim • Jun 25, 2007 7:20 pm
Jeboduuza;358590 wrote:
Awwww freshnesschronic and lumberjim playing nice in the sandbox how cuuuuuuuute.

Kodak moment, guys, big hug!


ya know...i am consciously trying not to be a prick to him. it takes a little effort...but i think the people appreciate it. I do what i do for the people, jeboo. for the people. I'm an altruist, really.
Aliantha • Jun 25, 2007 11:09 pm
now......time for you to make waking your husband up with you farts sound cute.

He gets out of bed with a smile on his face every day. I think that's all that matters. ;)
freshnesschronic • Jun 26, 2007 1:16 am
lumberman, I never knew you were so kind... I'm tearing up right now.
rkzenrage • Jun 27, 2007 1:48 am
I will concede a point, and have in here, if shown facts or rational points clearly and succinctly. I will thank you for showing me the error of my ways and/or apologize for any transgression graciously.

However, if you/they just make your "point" emotionally and state that I should change because you REALLY believe something or REALLY want me to and bla..bla...bla... (your stuff that ends-up meaning you just want to, or think you should win the argument/disagreement because it is "important" to you) ain't gonna' happen.
No amount of anything is going to budge me, I have the patience of Job and will not emotionally invest no matter what you bring into it.
It has nothing to do with being stubborn.
It has to do with refusing to be manipulated and refusing to set that precedent for the future.
skysidhe • Jun 27, 2007 12:04 pm
UT _OH I am sure I can be stubborn but that's when I think I am 100% right.




rkzenrage;359180 wrote:
I will concede a point, and have in here, if shown facts or rational points clearly and succinctly. I will thank you for showing me the error of my ways and/or apologize for any transgression graciously.

However, if you/they just make your "point" emotionally and state that I should change because you REALLY believe something or REALLY want me to and bla..bla...bla...

No amount of anything is going to budge me, I have the patience of Job and will not emotionally invest no matter what you bring into it.
It has nothing to do with being stubborn.

It has to do with refusing to be manipulated and refusing to set that precedent for the future.



ahh the voice of reason...amen to that rk


I think one has to consider how often a person tells you they are right and you are wrong.
Is it just one issue? Everyday? Maybe there is a shared blame fresh?

I don't really think people can make blanket statements like that and be right. Somepeople just don't know how to be wrong and change for the better.

Those people I drop like a bad habit.
rkzenrage • Jun 27, 2007 12:31 pm
No, stubborn people tell their husbands to stuff it, then hand them the lotion.

Really? If that was the attitude taken the "stubborn person" in question would get left behind if that was a normal response.
No sex is not an option.
Cicero • Jun 27, 2007 12:34 pm
freshnesschronic;358579 wrote:
Is there a personality disorder for extremely stubborn people who might never realize that they are wrong? I hate it when I have to give up my argument because they are too much of a blockhead to budge and even see someone else's view. I think it should be diagnosed.


No, but thank you. I just made up "diagnosis-itis" and you were the inspiration! (also roughly based on Gestalt theory.:D )
rkzenrage • Jun 27, 2007 12:38 pm
I have known bi-polar people to have severe issues with changing their stance on disagreements.
Mildly autistic individuals also, they tend to be obsessive and dislike change. Once they have an opinion they are not likely to alter it.
I have a couple in my family.
TheMercenary • Jun 27, 2007 10:22 pm
Shawnee123;358708 wrote:
I know I'm wrong once I realize it, too. :confused: So is it still being stubborn if you don't realize that you're wrong, or are you stubborn if you fail to realize that you're wrong if you really don't think you're wrong, or does not realizing mean that you're not wrong or is being wrong the absence of realization...etc and so on?


I was wrong... once.
TheMercenary • Jun 27, 2007 10:24 pm
rkzenrage;359180 wrote:
I will concede a point, and have in here, if shown facts or rational points clearly and succinctly. I will thank you for showing me the error of my ways and/or apologize for any transgression graciously..


Where the Hell have you ever done that? Just interested.:whofart:
zippyt • Jun 27, 2007 10:45 pm
I belevethe saying is
" never argue with an Idiot ,
they will drag you down to their level
and beat you with experence "
Cicero • Jun 28, 2007 5:06 pm
zippyt;359525 wrote:
I belevethe saying is
" never argue with an Idiot ,
they will drag you down to their level
and beat you with experence "


....this must be some sort of trick.
rkzenrage • Jun 28, 2007 5:25 pm
TheMercenary;359516 wrote:
Where the Hell have you ever done that? Just interested.:whofart:


I do it all the time. Did so very recently. Not sure what thread it was in.