treehouse club
Sundae Girl asked me to make a nice shiny new thread cuz it didnt fit in the human body explotation thread so here it is
i dont understand. i read a great article cloud posted somewhurr buried in cellar meta. it was about groups. read it, i couldnt find it in search. cloud's posts too in that particularl thread were brilliant too. she is new. i am new. we both see the same shit u guys are doin.
i dont understand why if lumperjim says somethin offensive or demeaning toward soemone all u other 3 4 5 year old dwellars choose to turn the other cheek and disregard it. this guy is an asshole. actually the things he posts borders on bullying but nooo since he is in the popular group its all good, right? but all i had to do was comment about him not being the shit as he so thinks he is then he goes after me. that in turn leads to the group effect, while errbody else is like "oh its ok to degrade the shit out of him cause one of our members does it". sundae girl got on me, now zippyt called me an asshead, fuckhead. i dont doubt others will follow in line
you people are 40, 50 years old. and y'all gonna resort to throwin rocks at someone who is new? din't u guys graduate high school decades ago? how can u guys not condemn when people like lumperjim personally attack a NUMBER of people on this board, but errbody else goes with the flow. he is ALWAYS bitchin about "i wish teh cellar was back to where it used to be, the newbies are ruining it, they too sensive, bitch bitch bitch put down put down put down"
anything that motherfucker says is golden and cant be touched, analyzed or critiqued?
im positive its like this for anybody in the treehouse club who flames an unsuspecting cellar user. lumperjim is just an prime example. i havent had experience with many other bullys on this site (brianna is showing her case) but it seems all the same. i bet u all feel cool collaborating and makin people leave the cellar cause their opinion and experiences are differnt from yers and so u let them know they are different and overall, not fittin to be here. if this shit keeps up then im out - im not into high school drama again. i can go back to watchin or worse for undertoad, not viewin this site again.
complainin about the cellar and its current state pssssh, why dont u all, in the popular group get it together so us "newbies" will like you and like to BE here, because a lot of us don't appreciate the "welcome" we've received.
The name for it is "clique". Either you're in it, and free to do certain things without recrimination, or you're not in it, and get beat up for doing those same things. It's a double standard.
i didn't expect this. i see many of you have read this. but you are all speechless.
jeboduuza - 1
cellar - 0
I feel your pain, Jeb. Just--if you are trying to make friends, counting coup probably won't help.
Sundae Girl asked me to make a nice shiny new thread cuz it didnt fit in the human body explotation thread so here it is
Thanks for this - the fact you've shown the respect to do this raises my opinion of you (not sarcasm). Human Body Exploitation Thread... An interesting way of putting it - I guess you're not going to be posting there soon, but hey that's your call.
i dont understand. i read a great article cloud posted somewhurr buried in cellar meta. it was about groups. read it, i couldnt find it in search. cloud's posts too in that particularl thread were brilliant too. she is new. i am new. we both see the same shit u guys are doin.
I wouldn't call it shit, personally. Cloud and I had this out (after she asked for opinion on her threads) - I was defending a place I love and didn't want changing. I certainly read Cloud's link, and I'm sure many other posters did. This isn't the sort of place where people post anything that drifts into their heads (usually) so you wouldn't have seen 5, 10, 15, 20 posts saying, "Ooh I read that!" or "Interesting!" Reaction posts without a valid reason do not an interesting forum make. Unless it's a personal issue, in which case people
will post sympathy or healing comments. I've posted them and I've received them - this is a community.
i dont understand why if lumperjim says somethin offensive or demeaning toward soemone all u other 3 4 5 year old dwellars choose to turn the other cheek and disregard it.
This is partly because when you've known someone 3, 4, 5 years you can tell when they're joking. And when they're sending a shot across the bows because the way you are behaving doesn't fit the general behaviour around here.
this guy is an asshole. actually the things he posts borders on bullying but nooo since he is in the popular group its all good, right? but all i had to do was comment about him not being the shit as he so thinks he is then he goes after me.
I don't think he's an arsehole. I'm not a follower, I base this entirely on my interaction with LJ and the interaction between LJ and other people I have come to respect on here. Like it or not, if you weigh into a respected poster here, they will fight back. There has been a rash of new posters here judging LJ on the opinion of other new posters. I don't think that's fair. There are some long term posters who don't get on with LJ - I respectfully disagree with them, but at least they have formed their opinion over time, not the first few posts. He's a funny guy. He doesn't give a shit. Grow a tougher skin re humour.
that in turn leads to the group effect, while errbody else is like "oh its ok to degrade the shit out of him cause one of our members does it". sundae girl got on me, now zippyt called me an asshead, fuckhead. i dont doubt others will follow in line
I got on you because you were cluttering up a thread meant for something else. I am very easy-going in general, but what I can't be doing with is people coming in and thinking they are owed something. It's like coming into my local and dancing on the pool table where people are trying to play. We're not saying "don't dance" for chrissake - just do it in the appropriate place, and don't act hurt when someone tries to move you on.
you people are 40, 50 years old. and y'all gonna resort to throwin rocks at someone who is new? din't u guys graduate high school decades ago?
Again, this is where you benefit from reading and enjoying rather than posting willy nilly. We're not all 40, 50, 60. There's a Dwellar Age Thread somewhere - I'm not going to link to it - it would do you good to look for it.
how can u guys not condemn when people like lumperjim personally attack a NUMBER of people on this board, but errbody else goes with the flow. he is ALWAYS bitchin about "i wish teh cellar was back to where it used to be, the newbies are ruining it, they too sensive, bitch bitch bitch put down put down put down"
You know all this about the Cellar but you don't know not to mess with the nekkid people thread? You know all this about the Cellar and you don't know we hate txtspk and bad spelling (Zippy excepted) and unnecessary abbreviations?
anything that motherfucker says is golden and cant be touched, analyzed or critiqued?
Sigh. Search posts by Aliantha. At the very least.
im positive its like this for anybody in the treehouse club who flames an unsuspecting cellar user. lumperjim is just an prime example. i havent had experience with many other bullys on this site (brianna is showing her case) but it seems all the same. i bet u all feel cool collaborating and makin people leave the cellar cause their opinion and experiences are differnt from yers and so u let them know they are different and overall, not fittin to be here. if this shit keeps up then im out - im not into high school drama again. i can go back to watchin or worse for undertoad, not viewin this site again.
complainin about the cellar and its current state pssssh, why dont u all, in the popular group get it together so us "newbies" will like you and like to BE here, because a lot of us don't appreciate the "welcome" we've received.
If you really feel like this, I do have to ask why you are here?
This isn't an exclusive clique and plenty of people have been welcomed in.
But membership brings no privileges.
If this place doesn't suit you, there is nothing keeping you here. And I don't mean that as a polite way of saying fuck off - I mean genuinely, think why you would want to be in a place that you perceive as hostile.
This is probably out of date now - it's taken a while to type, but I wanted to address all your points as there's nothing more annoying than penning a crie de couer and having people address one line of it.
All the above is my personal opinion and does not reflect the view of the Cellar, which is a diverse collection of people whether you have encountered that or not.
If you want to be treated like an equal, at least post so that we can understand you please.
We aren't speechless, but all that crazy talk has our Transitions bifocals all fogged up.:rolleyes:
There's a way to get instant respect here, and literally hundreds of users, of all ages, have done it.
Of course, it's the first entry in the FAQ.
The Cellar is like an electronic tavern. Behave as you might at a real-life tavern. Don't barge in and interrupt every table in the place. Walk in and sit down, wait for something you know about and politely put in your two cents.
Whether you care to stick around will probably depend on whether you're taken seriously. Your reputation here is not made by whether you're "in the clique" or how cool you are or etc. It's only based on how you behave and what you contribute. Be a thoughtful version of yourself. Make an effort to leave it a better place than when you arrived and we all win.
And UT kicks the EXTRA point !!!!!
SUNDAE GIRL KICKS ASS
you're proving Jebo's point
you're proving Jebo's point
Jeb...there's actually a thread in the relationships forum titled, "Is Lumberjim a Bully". You might like to have a look at that one. There's posts in there that answer pretty much all your questions about him and his 'intimates'.
It's always hard getting your head in the door at an established forum with long standing members.
The only thing I can suggest to you is to stand up for your convictions and say your piece. That's what I did and some members don't like me for it for whatever reason. Others seem to appreciate it. I doubt you'd ever be liked by everyone on any forum, and unless you believe in love at first sight, online, in cyberspace, it'll take time for you to establish yourself.
You're doing ok though. Just keep posting and let us all get to know you better.
FNC Lj LOOVES to stir the shit , its fun to him , and funny to watch some time !!!
you're proving Jebo's point
What point exactly?
I responded reasonably and with respect. Does LJ only agree because we are part of the Get Along Gang?
If so, I'd really appreciate you taking the time to refute my points as I did for Jebo.
[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]"The Cellar is like an electronic tavern. Behave as you might at a real-life tavern. Don't barge in and interrupt every table in the place. Walk in and sit down, wait for something you know about and politely put in your two cents.
Whether you care to stick around will probably depend on whether you're taken seriously. Your reputation here is not made by whether you're "in the clique" or how cool you are or etc. It's only based on how you behave and what you contribute. Be a thoughtful version of yourself. Make an effort to leave it a better place than when you arrived and we all win."[/COLOR]
This is a very informative and well-thought out policy, one which I took careful note of before joining.
I only wish it were true . . .
FNC Lj LOOVES to stir the shit , its fun to him , and funny to watch some time !!!
Agreed, but not on the latter. He stirs mine all day, regardless of if I want him to or not. I thought I asked you to call me fresh :(
And How is it NOT TRUE ??????
If you go bradgeing into the corner bar and start acting like an asshat SOME body will call you on it , or kick you ass , or both .
BUT eather way you wont be verry welcome .
[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]"The Cellar is like an electronic tavern. Behave as you might at a real-life tavern. Don't barge in and interrupt every table in the place. Walk in and sit down, wait for something you know about and politely put in your two cents.
Whether you care to stick around will probably depend on whether you're taken seriously. Your reputation here is not made by whether you're "in the clique" or how cool you are or etc. It's only based on how you behave and what you contribute. Be a thoughtful version of yourself. Make an effort to leave it a better place than when you arrived and we all win."[/COLOR]
This is a very informative and well-thought out policy, one which I took careful note of before joining.
I only wish it were true . . .
Amen.
well, I personally haven't found it to be too true.
The people here seem to like you better here if you ARE an asshat. Unfortunately asshat isn't my normal mode. There are other uncomplimentary phrases to describe me, but that isn't one of them. :)
What point exactly?
I responded reasonably and with respect. Does LJ only agree because we are part of the Get Along Gang?
If so, I'd really appreciate you taking the time to refute my points as I did for Jebo.
I guess, the point that the "clique" supports and sticks together, whether or not it is legit or not. Not saying you're refute wasn't legit, but you know. LJ said "YOU KICK ASS SUNDAE GIRL" but rearranged wording I believe.
P.S. I don't want to refute your points. I'm not good at drawing conclusive evidence, remembering my "show" with ducky? It got so that reason < emotion, which is why LJ can make me look like an ass.
flint, THIS is how you get everyone talking about you. come sit at the feet of the master. i accomplished this in my spare time while at work, too.
Jeboduuza -- I'm relatively new here myself, but here is one thing that I noticed very quickly: the most active posters (except for one or two) on this site generally have good spelling, proper grammar (including capitalization), and are good at expressing themselves. Using poor spelling or grammar in the Cellar is like moving to
Sandford and painting graffiti on the church wall.
All the people that I've encountered here are respectful, but you have to earn it.
Edit: I just noticed that I said "
All the people..." That might be a little optimistic.
well, I personally haven't found it to be too true.
The people here seem to like you better here if you ARE an asshat. Unfortunately asshat isn't my normal mode. There are other uncomplimentary phrases to describe me, but that isn't one of them. :)
cloud, i think you fit in just fine.
thank you. I sincerely appreciate that!
I guess, the point that the "clique" supports and sticks together, whether or not it is legit or not. Not saying you're refute wasn't legit, but you know. LJ said "YOU KICK ASS SUNDAE GIRL" but rearranged wording I believe.
Have you considered
LJ is deliberately overstating to stir things up
I was a newbie once myself. The fact I get on with LJ despite joining well after him shows it's not an Old Dwellars Club.
You might have had people disagree with you, but you have posted intelligently, you have started your own threads instead of trashing established ones, you write proper English - can't you see that the issues I (and perhaps other people have) with J are not the same as people may have with you?
I respect you as a poster. I have issue with what you post on a regular basis - but then I had an issue with 9thEngineer's views - he's mostly absent now and I miss him. If I wanted to hear from people with the same background/ education/ political views as me I'd post on a British board based in my home town. But guess what, half the posts would be "Hey hav u sin X he is so dam fitt OMG u goin up Weavers this Sat?"
I'm here for intelligence, humour and above all a sense of community. If that means sometimes people get told, "We don't do it like that here" or "Post intelligently or fuck off" then I can live with that. It doesn't make this place a WASP Country Club.
You're an intelligent man. You're part of the community. I don't understand why you think this is a vendetta and not a community showing people the ropes.
Cloud I include you in that too (apart from the man comment)
This is a very informative and well-thought out policy, one which I took careful note of before joining.
I only wish it were true . . .
Cloud, you've referred several times now to not feeling welcome or not feeling like you belong. I honestly don't know where this comes from, I think you're well-liked and appreciated around here. Shawnee123 did the same thing for a long time after she joined too, feeling like she was ignored when she really wasn't. It's possible you don't get along with a few members, but that's to be expected--if everything were sunshine and skittles all the time, it really
would be a homogenous clique.
[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]"The Cellar is like an electronic tavern. Behave as you might at a real-life tavern. Don't barge in and interrupt every table in the place. Walk in and sit down, wait for something you know about and politely put in your two cents.
Whether you care to stick around will probably depend on whether you're taken seriously. Your reputation here is not made by whether you're "in the clique" or how cool you are or etc. It's only based on how you behave and what you contribute. Be a thoughtful version of yourself. Make an effort to leave it a better place than when you arrived and we all win."[/COLOR]
This is a very informative and well-thought out policy, one which I took careful note of before joining.
I only wish it were true . . .
what part did you find untrue?
flint, THIS is how you get everyone talking about you. come sit at the feet of the master. i accomplished this in my spare time while at work, too.
that's just some funny sh*t. Man, please, please don't get an infomercial, ok? I am already maxed on the credit card. Please.
this is really not about me, nor do I want to appear to be constantly whining (or to actually be constantly whining), so I decline to elaborate.
you guys are just a tough crowd! An intelligent, aggressive, thoughtful crowd which has high standards. I don't think that's a bad thing at all.
oh, and BTW, progressive lense bifocals with Transitions ROCK!
This remindes me of ancient Arabic saying (for which I can't find a reference):[INDENT]Me against my brother;
Me and my brother against my father;
Me and my father against my uncle;
Me and my uncle against...
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oh wait....don't praise me in this thread....you'll just be proving jiz-a-doobah's (parodies of peoples username is ALWAYS funny) point.
The reason that i can fuck with people and not get bashed, doozie jewbah, is that i know them. I know how to mess with them without really hurting them or costing them face. I would never attack someone for something that I knew was a real vulnerability. I come off as a blow hard, but it takes a certain amount of sensitivity to pull that off without getting ostracized by a group. Most people, by the same token are sensitive enough to get it when i'm sending them a message.
That's how we get along. Look at join dates of the active folks here. More have joined after I have than before. I get along fine with 95% of them. probably 65% of them like me, too.
But what about the LURKERS Lj ????
well, I personally haven't found it to be too true.
The people here seem to like you better here if you ARE an asshat. Unfortunately asshat isn't my normal mode. There are other uncomplimentary phrases to describe me, but that isn't one of them. :)
one thing that I noticed very quickly: the most active posters on this site generally have good spelling, proper grammar (includingcapitalization), and are good at expressing themselves.
cloud, i think you fit in just fine.
You have posted intelligently, you have started your own threads instead of trashing established ones, you write proper English
I respect you as a poster.
I'm here for intelligence, humour and above all a sense of community. If that means sometimes people get told, "We don't do it like that here" or "Post intelligently or fuck off" then I can live with that. It doesn't make this place a WASP Country Club.
You're an intelligent [wo]man. You're part of the community.
Cloud, you've referred several times now to not feeling welcome or not feeling like you belong. I honestly don't know where this comes from, I think you're well-liked and appreciated around here. It's possible you don't get along with a few members, but that's to be expected--if everything were sunshine and skittles all the time, it really would be a homogenous clique.
you guys are just a tough crowd! An intelligent, aggressive, thoughtful crowd which has high standards. I don't think that's a bad thing at all.
Honestly Cloud - I'll say to you what I say to Shawnee - who I adore - just relax. You are not disliked. I don't think you were ever disliked. If sometimes people don't appreciate a post, a comment, an issue - it's NOT personal.
Please tell me you see the difference between having an issue with someone like Merc calling Ibram a teen fag over and over again, or me having an issue with someone hijacking a NSFW thread with a complaint about LJ? I know you don't like it when threads you start are hijacked - our NSFW thread has been running a while now (in various incarnations).
We like you - as far as I can say "we" anyway. I don't have the password to the Treehouse Gang personally. They let me up if I have tuna sandwiches. But I'll give you a leg up when I get there, while still reserving the right to give you a Chinese Burn if I don't agree with what you're saying.
I think I need to go to bed. I haven't posted this much in a single thread in.... ever?
I'm boring even myself here.
SG, I'll take that leg up. D'ya think if we bring the GOOD beer . . . ?
Where do you think the Good beer is ????
no good beer in there. i treat myself to a light beer once or twice a week. mostly its rum. i love rum, here it goes down, down to my belly. rum rum rum.
(grabs the beer back) More for meeeeeee! hah!
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don't need no stinkin' 'net friends! GOT BEER!
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whoa. how do I get down off this here tree branch? It sure seems a long way
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Hmmm. Thanks Sundae Girl.
But as much as everyone gets along with LJ I doubt I will ever like him.
He says he wouldn't attack someone's vulnerability but he definitely repeatedly knocked me up and down about my girlfriend issues, which is the initial reason I joined this place. I found that to be the sole reason why I dislike him immensely. Then he apologizes for antagonizing me, then he keeps antagonizing me. Joke or not, his personality is something that I might never warm up to. All in all, he's a big dick, to me, personally. That's my 2 cents.
Cloud is right. This is a hard crowd and all of us "fucking newbies" as jinx called us in the NSFW dwellar thread are still having trouble transitioning to the well established.
Jeb and Fresh, I think both of you have a big misperception about people that are 20 or 30 years older than you. Adults usually act in the same way as most college kids do but just have better restraints and taste due to experience. Where I work, the youngest person I work with is twice my age so I have interacted with older adults consistantly for a month or so and this has really changed my view on that.
Another reason you two may feel picked on is because this board does have a tendency to discriminate on age a lot. Sometimes this is founded sometimes it can go overboard. The whining, yes you guys are whining, and talking like life is so unfair will not help your case.
Basically just ignore or accept him and don't take his jokes seriously or you will only get even more frustrated. Yes, LJ is an asshole but that is what makes him funny (if you consider him funny), its his style.
boy, kids today. they sure are into labeling people.
why i gotta be a dick? why i gotta be a' asshole? I am clearly a motherfucker. get some skillz before you come frontin' up in dis hizzouse.
Sure. Skirt my post on how I just proved the hypocrisy of your last post about you being a nice dude.
OK....i'll adress it later...right now i have to bleed a customer dry. brb!
Cloud is right. This is a hard crowd and all of us "fucking newbies" as jinx called us in the NSFW dwellar thread are still having trouble transitioning to the well established.
The whining and the belly-aching just makes it worse for yourself. Toughen up. If you need to be liked by everyone this isn't the place for you (because xoB already filled that position...).
I think the Cellar is fairly unique in the way it *operates*.
On other forums, people feel the need to respond to every single post and every comment made. You get a lot of "me too" or "oh that sucks" comments....thats not so here and I wonder if thats why some people feel they dont fit it??
I have never found the cellar to be a tough crowd, and I'm in no way an intellectual contributor....I'm more fluffy (insert batting eyelashes smiley here<<<<can we find one of them please???)
I did check out the lay of the land before I jumped in though... I did land in a bit of a shit fight with the influx of AG'ers...but I made it through :D
Anger is good for you, as long as you keep it below a boil, according to new psychology research based on face reading.
People who respond to stressful situations with short-term anger or indignation have a sense of control and optimism that lacks in those who respond with fear.
It's an interesting article. The rest of it is
here.
I was violently opposed when I came here, but I wasn't a pussy about it. I just kept bein' me.
There's nothing I hate worse than reading page after page after page of "oh The Cellar is mean" "No it's not" "This person hates me" "No she doesn't" "Well yeah actually I do". So in some sense I should have never opened this thread. But I'm glad I did, because it meant I got to read Sundae Girl's magisterial reply in #6.
Sundae Girl asked me to make a nice shiny new thread cuz it didnt fit in the human body explotation thread so here it is
i dont understand. i read a great article cloud posted somewhurr buried in cellar meta.
I have to tell you, you won't get very far here unless you can write better than this. Nobody's going to hand your post back to you marked up in red ink over the occasional typo (well, almost nobody) (well, hardly ever) but if it hurts to read it, most people won't. If you take that as an insult, it's not intended as such--it's just how it is, and not just here. Hell, I've said the same thing in practically the same words to my own daughter.
complainin about the cellar and its current state pssssh, why dont u all, in the popular group get it together so us "newbies" will like you and like to BE here, because a lot of us don't appreciate the "welcome" we've received.
May I ask why you want to be accepted by the "popular group" (quotes used because I don't believe there is such a thing)? I'm not trying to be a smartass, I'm serious. Why? What do you see that you're interested in "joining"? I'm not saying you shouldn't want to, or that you're not welcome. (I personally love fresh blood.) But I'm curious what the attraction is for you, since it's obviously something that agitates you.
P.S. I don't want to refute your points. I'm not good at drawing conclusive evidence, remembering my "show" with ducky? It got so that reason < emotion, which is why LJ can make me look like an ass.
I'm sorry, but you lose. You will not get anything more reasonable than Sundae Girl's reply. Are you really saying, "you're proving Jebo's point, but I won't explain how?" That kind of argument isn't going to get you far. (And I don't mean just here.)
flint, THIS is how you get everyone talking about you. come sit at the feet of the master. i accomplished this in my spare time while at work, too.
Spare time? Bullshit. "Well, Mrs. McGillicuddy, your credit rating is a little bit on the low side, but let me see what I can do for you. It may take a while." Followed by 5 minutes to get a loan approved and packaged, and 40 minutes of Cellar posting.
why i gotta be a dick? why i gotta be a' asshole?
Obviously the answer is to put the dick and the asshole together.
Goddamnit Jim, now you're giving Steve Dallas the clap... you're evil.
I see my name being posted, which of course interests me, but I'm too lazy to read the thread.
Group acceptance is such a powerful thing to some people that they just can't get past it. Do they like me? I couldn't stand it if they didn't! Do they want me around? I really really hope they do!
But to other people, this kind of need is non-existent; they just seem to present themselves, and if you don't like them, it's your problem.
Is it better to be in group A or group B?
This is like the "examined life" versus not conundrum.
why i gotta be a dick? why i gotta be a' asshole? I am clearly a motherfucker. get some skillz before you come frontin' up in dis hizzouse.
How about jackass?
Group acceptance is such a powerful thing to some people that they just can't get past it. Do they like me? I couldn't stand it if they didn't! Do they want me around? I really really hope they do!
But to other people, this kind of need is non-existent; they just seem to present themselves, and if you don't like them, it's your problem.
Is it better to be in group A or group B?
UT -- this sounds like a good topic for a poll.
GROUP W
Group W for wannabes, who wanna be me but ain't so they cry theyselves to sleep.
I think it's important to understand that most people are on some level of 'newbie-ness' Most people are trying to just find footing. Some of us arn't even a year old yet. You might get some clues by reading join dates.ie( like hawkeye for one) It is what is. There are no secret rites to get in. You don't have to kiss anyones ass..promise.
...anyway.
I wanted to make a separate 'welcome' to the newbies but I didn't want it to seem like an attention seeking thread which isn't where I am comming from. SO I just want to tell all you new ones that you are noticed. I'd throw you a welcome party with cake and balloons if it make you feel better. I feel your frustration.
Jeb, I understand what you are saying. If you don't mind, I think I can provide a bit of perspective.
First of all, thanks for being honest about what you feel. It takes guts to reveal your thoughts and feelings in such an open way, without a defense mechanism already built in. Good on ya.
Secondly, I am familiar with your posts, yet, so I have no real context from which to address your specific situation.
But!
Here's what I see:
The grammar and spelling thing gets irritating to some people. It doesn't bother me, much because I see much worse at my workplace everyday. Some people find it more difficult to see the specific meaning in what you are saying if it isn't articulated well. The nature of text communication is problematic in that way.
Because it is difficult to accurately express *anything* in its full form using text (unless, of course we all write 150 page dissertations) we're all going to take things the wrong way, once in a while. On a message board, there is no body language or facial expression. No amount of fun little emoticons can capture and express human emotions and the dynamics around them. I truly believe that 85% of the shit storms that happen around here can be attributed to that. Well, maybe 80%. Anyway, quite a few. If you feel yourself getting pissed off, or hurt, let it go and come back in a few days.
These, I think are the main reasons why it is so easy to think you aren't part of the "popular" crowd. Despite all the "<enter cellar user name> is an asshat" and "Let's see more of <enter cellar user name>" threads, there is no popularity contest. It's much easier than that. Here are some ideas on how to be more involved in the cellar:
- Post a lot of interesting points.
- Don't call names.
- Be funny. No matter what kind of sense of humor you have, someone is bound to think you are funny if you let that part of yourself go, here.
- Post a lot of mindless fun in the Nothingland forum.
- Get to know other members and what they like, how you can relate, etc.
- Think of the most interesting thing that happened to you, this week and start a discussion about it.
- Find a picture of something you care about and start a thread about it.
Of course, those are all just ideas. I don't make the rules around here (and wouldn't want to.)
I like to make a game of getting my post count to a certain point, because that means I am more involved. It's a personal thing, to me. Not a popularity thing. And you can see by my post count, that in 5 years, I haven't been a heavy poster, really. But that is just me.
I think the investment you make in this place determines what you get out of it....(maybe there is some famous quote like that?)
So, anyway, Jeb, Cloud, Fresh and whoever else is new around here, I hope you stick around, because the vast personality differences are what make this forum so interesting.
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Jeboduuza -- I think you've answered you own
question. Over 60 responses in just a few hours. That's impressive.
How about jackass?
how about 'cocksmith'?
how about 'cocksmith'?
Never heard that before.
oh wait....don't praise me in this thread.
OK, buttmunch, you asked for it.
Here it comes, beyotch.
You'd better be sitting in jinx lap for this one...
Commence flinching...
LJ, U [SIZE=4][SIZE=3]я[/SIZE][/SIZE][SIZE=2] teh suck[/SIZE].
Sometimes, what has to be done just has to be done. I am not proud.
Group acceptance is such a powerful thing to some people that they just can't get past it. Do they like me? I couldn't stand it if they didn't! Do they want me around? I really really hope they do!
Of course.. this is clear.
But why a particular group? Am I learning a new skill? Perhaps there's a group of people who are good at it. Acceptance by this group would validate my new-found skills. Perhaps there's a group with a lot of power at my job. Acceptance by this group would mark me as a prime candidate for a promotion. Perhaps there's a group of guys that seem to attract a lot of hot babes. Acceptance by this group would make it easier for me to score.
What does acceptance by The Cellar grant? Why should a newbie care? If you walk into a restaurant and see a table with 10 people, all strangers to you, all having a good time, do you have a desire to sit down, join them, and become part of the group? How is this like, and not like, a new poster approaching The Cellar?
how about 'cocksmith'?
That anvil's gonna hurt really bad.
:lol2: :vikingsmi
That anvil's gonna hurt really bad.
oh wait....don't praise me in this thread....you'll just be proving jiz-a-doobah's (parodies of peoples username is ALWAYS funny) point.
The reason that i can fuck with people and not get bashed, doozie jewbah, is that i know them. I know how to mess with them without really hurting them or costing them face. I would never attack someone for something that I knew was a real vulnerability. I come off as a blow hard, but it takes a certain amount of sensitivity to pull that off without getting ostracized by a group. Most people, by the same token are sensitive enough to get it when i'm sending them a message.
That's how we get along. Look at join dates of the active folks here. More have joined after I have than before. I get along fine with 95% of them. probably 65% of them like me, too.
Hmmm. Thanks Sundae Girl.
But as much as everyone gets along with LJ I doubt I will ever like him.
He says he wouldn't attack someone's vulnerability but he definitely repeatedly knocked me up and down about my girlfriend issues, which is the initial reason I joined this place. I found that to be the sole reason why I dislike him immensely. Then he apologizes for antagonizing me, then he keeps antagonizing me. Joke or not, his personality is something that I might never warm up to. All in all, he's a big dick, to me, personally. That's my 2 cents.
Cloud is right. This is a hard crowd and all of us "fucking newbies" as jinx called us in the NSFW dwellar thread are still having trouble transitioning to the well established.
Sure. Skirt my post on how I just proved the hypocrisy of your last post about you being a nice dude.
i didn't say i was nice. i certainly never said that i never poked fun at you. i do say that i've limited my comments to the things you've said and the way you've acted. I wouldn't judge you based on any thing other than....
....oh wow......i gotta go!
Correct spelling. That's going to take effort for a computer game nerd like me.
And I use AIM a lot, so it will be doubly hard, how do other AIMers solve "txtspk" which I never heard of until now. It was just regular lingo to me.
Thanks for all the insightful comments everyone. If I'll be an active user, partime or just watch is all up in the air.
And I have to confess. I am lumberjim. This is a faux account I created just to stir up mayhem. I created a personal hater, just for this reason.
Just kidding.
Or am I?
And I use AIM a lot, so it will be doubly hard, how do other AIMers solve "txtspk" which I never heard of until now. It was just regular lingo to me.
Pretend you're writing it for your English teacher.
Or am I?
It sounds like something he'd do. On the other hand, I'm highly doubtful that LJ would know "pwn" and "5h17".
Naa the name is Too original for one of LJs SockPuppets !!
oh fuck, i hope not.
You hope he isn't kidding, or you hope he isn't really another one of your personalities? Sounds like a personal problem, LJ.
Take a deep breath...relax....now, try to recall the last thing you typed on the computer....that's it....
:)
sounds like something i'd do?! eat a dick, steve! i would not! I'd maybe pile on a topic with them, or possible tilt a poll or two....but i would never cause a ruckus like that. that was what i bashed marichiko so hard for. you take it back. before i tell everyone about your rash.
compare the spellings of Jeboduuza and lumberjim.
Has any of LJ's tendancies leaked onto the faux Jeboduuza? Or is it original typing?
Like an episode of CSI.
You relise that there are Only about 4-5 actual poster here right ??
the rest are just sock puppets , fictious beings from the desterbed minds of lunitics !!!
"like an episode of CSI"
poor Sara . . . lying under that car all summer in the rain . . .
i didn't say i was nice. i certainly never said that i never poked fun at you. i do say that i've limited my comments to the things you've said and the way you've acted. I wouldn't judge you based on any thing other than....
...the virtual persona you portray. look, I aint perfect, fnc. I do contradictory things, say things that i'll regret later. like a human will. But I'm not foaming at the mouth here. I'm just poking fun... [COLOR=White]you little crybaby
[COLOR=Black]I like to fool around and make fun...If you can't laugh at yourself, I'm gonna annoy you, sure as shit. [COLOR=White]so lighten up nancy[/COLOR][/COLOR]
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Originally Posted by Jeboduuza
And go back to where you thought my comment was hysterical 2 nights ago.
The whole communities insight has humbled me a bit and I too seemed to be quick to judge.
Don't post this, I don't want them knowing I might be a softie.
so, you want to apologize for that thread in private, and not have to eat crow on the board?
yeah, ok.
Not that I didn't have the balls to ask for neutrality, I just thought it best to PM first. He's just being "sensitive" now.
And I don't know how to quote well.
Peace, doves, pots of gold, leprechauns, unicorns, "little people" riding tricycles and waving at each other. And so the Cellar lived happily ever after.
WUSS !!!
you backed DOWN !!
Stand your ground !!!!!
It doesn't matter since we are the same person. Lumberjim is already a popular user account and a well viewed poster. I'd prefer that account over the latter less popular more hostile one I am currently on.
i meant 'yeah, ok' seriously. you didn't have to post that. i wasn't being sarcastic. hatchet buried.
I never played CS, but I enjoyed de_dust when it was redone for my fav for a while, Ghost Recon 1. Spent many hours there. Somebody did a version for UT2004 but it was no comparison.
Well, UT you don't know what kind of gameplay heaven you are missing.
CS Source is only 20 bucks, and you can even download it and purchase online if your ass is stapled to your chair, like mine and other peoples.
Well I believe it, and I would check it out, but I'm busy taking (or defending) Karkand in BF2.
Auch Lieben. The Germans are a pesky group. I remember my recent days on Company of Heroes. Oh, you were so good to me, Tommy.
I have no idea if that was actually German.
EDIT: Ahem, just read bullying thread buried in relationships. As far as my personal opinion I agree whole heartedly with Aliantha. Thanks to SG suggesting I read it. I'm not going to cave in like Jebo and ask for a handshake though. Stuff happens, attitudes stay static and the Cellar endures.
Dude, speak and argue with those who are worth it... ignore the chaff.
You relise that there are Only about 4-5 actual poster here right ??
the rest are just sock puppets , fictious beings from the desterbed minds of lunitics !!!
I'm tw, UG, Radar, and TheMercenary.
Jeb, do you have Microsoft Word? Copy and paste to that and then back here to make sure you don't make misstakes.
I'll finally admit it, I'm also an LJ puppet... a well maintained one by any means, but I just use this account to let loose all my 'inner kid' shit and all my gay fantasies without jinx killing me.
I don't have a problem with SlumberJism, the Cellar's nocturnal emission
... (parodies of peoples username is ALWAYS funny) ...
He's funny and just poking fun, most of the time. Except when he's acting all pussy-whipped.;)
There's a difference between busting chops and demeaning ridicule. In a serious thread, folks like radar, ug, mercy, and (disappointingly) Bruce call people who disagree with them stupid, foolish, mentally ill and liar. And if you dare to respond in kind, zippy, buster, wolf, jinx, etc pile on, without adding anything of substance.
BTW, Spexxvet is Ducknut's sock puppet. Just rearrange the letters - you'll get it.
I'm tw, UG, Radar, and TheMercenary.
Jeb, do you have Microsoft Word? Copy and paste to that and then back here to make sure you don't make misstakes.
Firefox spell check is your friend.
Like right now, its telling me that
mistakes only has one "s" :p
Dontcha hate that, every time you bag someone's spelling, you can guarantee to stuff something up yourself.
BTW, Spexxvet is Ducknut's sock puppet. Just rearrange the letters - you'll get it.
:eyebrow: You get your arse in that skirt and stockings...then get back to me!
Firefox spell check is your friend.
Like right now, its telling me that mistakes only has one "s" :p
Dontcha hate that, every time you bag someone's spelling, you can guarantee to stuff something up yourself.
Ah, lovly irony.
Like right now, its telling me that mistakes only has one "s" :p
I see two. :redface:
Right. How long have you
had these pains, Mr. Barber?
No, that's Babar.
Two B's?
One "B."
B-A-B-A-R.
That's two.
Yeah, but not together.
lol
Open 24 hours. Not in a ROW. (Stephen Wright)
this is really not about me, nor do I want to appear to be constantly whining (or to actually be constantly whining), so I decline to elaborate.
--snip--
Your call. I can't fix what I can't see though. I asked in earnest, out of ignorance. The offer stands.
As an aside, the work I do gives me the chance to interact with many many people, everyone in the company (and several outside it). As I do my work, I'm constantly asking for feedback as to how I'm doing, from their perspective. When I complete a task, this short survey is sent by my boss to the person I helped.
<users name goes here>:
I am trying to measure my success at providing quality service. Would you mind answering a few quick questions about this ticket, please? I would also welcome any ideas or suggestions you have about how I could improve my service. Please send your reply to this message to [email]boss-email@companydomain.com[/email].
Thanks in advance.
Yours,
BigV
Please answer with a number from 1 to 5 where 1 represents least agreement and 5 represents most agreement.
1 – Was your problem solved in a professional manner?
Unprofessional – Very professional
1 2 3 4 5
2 – Was your problem solved in a timely manner?
Very slow -- Very quick
1 2 3 4 5
3 – Was your problem solved to your satisfaction?
Unsatisfactory – Very satisfactory
1 2 3 4 5
How can I improve if I don't know where I am now? To know that I have to ask, and I have to be able to measure it in some way. This is how it works at work for me. I originally asked you about what's not working (what's untrue) in this same spirit. I'm not doggin you, or callin you out, or cross examining you. I'm seeking to improve. I could use your help, please.
BigV, I'm having trouble getting feedback from some of my customers. Mind if I C/P that survey format?
thank you for your sincere interest, Big V. That's all I want. That's all anyone wants, really.
And bagels, futuristic bagels...
FROM THE YEAR 2000
bagels = THE WHITE MENACE!
BigV, I'm having trouble getting feedback from some of my customers. Mind if I C/P that survey format?
pm coming.
Oh sure, hide the real story.