Funny political pictures
MAD Magazine! The funniest thing of all is that GW is a ringer for Alfred E Neuman.
Bush animtion
Wow...that pirates one is hularious
I never expected to be saying this, but
this original illustration is the result of an artistic collaboration between Bruce and myself, with inspiration by HLJ. Feel free to make T-Shirts, I'm not sure who the royalties would even go to.
I never expected to be saying this, but this original illustration is the result of an artistic collaboration between Bruce and myself, with inspiration by HLJ. Feel free to make T-Shirts, I'm not sure who the royalties would even go to.
That is frigging great... just need to make it less animated with real faces. Make GW a little black kid.
It's even funnier how it came completely out of left field.
I'm not sure who the royalties would even go to.
All yours.
I never expected to be saying this, but this original illustration is the result of an artistic collaboration between Bruce and myself, with inspiration by HLJ. Feel free to make T-Shirts, I'm not sure who the royalties would even go to.
Lmao, I saw that in the original post....dear Lord I laughed out loud at Starbucks and got some dirty looks, haha. Nice.
Everyone sizing up...
Political humor, satire -- it's all great. I REALLY love President Alfred E. Bush!
It's pretty long but worth it I think. :) I hope.
(edit) I am not sure why the third set of pictures is so small. The third and last one is my favorite. If you can't read them here is the link.
http://www.236.com/news/2008/06/11/what_color_is_your_obama_7024.phphahah. I like that one Sky :)
I like it - except I'd say, "puts the needs of this generation before those of the next" rather than, "destroys the next generation". But that's me being a pedant.
Can you say "photoshopped"?
Can you say alcohol?
I think not. He has been sober for many years.
How do you know that?
End of the road before a cushy retirement... free vacation as a big shot at the Olympics... Cheney back home minding the store... chance to meet real celebrities like Bob Costas and Michael Phelps... wearing long sleeves to cover the skinned elbow... Hmmm. :p
He may be a dumb ass, but not stupid.
The people in the fore and background are all different - I dunno???
the two on the left were taken at different times... different clothing and different people around them. The two on the right at yet a third occasion, although I think the lower is a blow up of the upper.
Either I was censored, or this post didn't take last time.
Dat's alright. I hear McCain says he's gonna hunt Osama down to the ends of the earth and bring him to justice.
Where've I heard that before? Fool me once...
When did they start cloning politicians?
Dat's alright. I hear McCain says he's gonna hunt Obama down to the ends of the earth and bring him to justice.
fixed.
Dat's alright. I hear McCain says he's gonna hunt Osama down to the ends of the earth and bring him to justice.
Where've I heard that before? Fool me once...
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Cloning politicians has been going on for a long time. Now they're even cloning them across party lines.
Dat's alright. I hear McCain says he's gonna hunt Osama down to the [COLOR="Red"]gates of hell[/COLOR] and bring him to justice.
Where've I heard that before? Fool me once...
When did they start cloning politicians?
I'm just here to help - as you were.
I'm just here to help - as you were.
Ahh, yes. Gates of hell. Also, a more likely spot for them to all end up.
Thanks for the correction. :o
I think there may be a lot of truth in that one.
Yep
How about this one.
lol - but where are those trains goin?
Boones Farm Strawberry Hill...LOL. What about Tickle Pink?
There are hilarious!
Those were from a truly landmark Fark thread. I lulzed, often and loudly.
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UT, those are funny as hell!
I got a laff out of this one too, picture credit to Tink while driving home last week.
Sarah Palin as a Tribble lol. I liked that.
Sarah Palin as a Tribble lol. I liked that.
TRIBBLE-IST!!!
I resent that slur against Tribbles across the universe. You take that back right now!
I didn't get a lot of them :(
But the ones I did, I lol'd :)
Very funny, if a little mean.
Great little pictoral diagrams for "who the woman is". So men will get it. :)
I remember that. He was going to shake the moderator's hand after shaking Obama's and he was going around the table in one direction, while the moderator was going in the other, so he made the funny face as he was deciding which way to go around the table. I've done that. The picture makes him seem to be interacting with Obama, when he was actually interacting with the moderator.
Shows how still pictures can freeze a moment in time and distort reality.
Funny picture though.
I just figured it was shopped.
That is pretty funny.
wow, Those were great UT and Pie.
Ok McCain. I am trying to make up my mind here. sheesh! hehe
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Except those aren't his brains JM is grabbing at.
I was thinking "Ah, McCain, you've done it again" ... do you have those ads over there?
Excellent, Bruce!
Say, can you 'shop Obama back in, in front of Palin, so that it looks like they're forming a conga line?
You'll have to ask watertiger.:headshake
Bye the way, here's another.
:lol: Now why did that take so long???? Perfect!
Just because I'm an equal opportunity offender...
You'll have to ask watertiger.:headshake
Bye the way, here's another.
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This photo was actually credited to my podunk town's newspaper photog. (McCain spoke in Date-unnnh on Monday) What is up with McCain and his tongue? I'm starting to like him! :eek:
Anyhoo: caption this!
This photo was actually credited to my podunk town's newspaper photog. (McCain spoke in Date-unnnh on Monday) What is up with McCain and his tongue? I'm starting to like him! :eek:
Anyhoo: caption this!
"Due to a miscommunication, Senator John McCain was unable to demonstrate his skills as a cunning linguist"
Note to J.M. : keep that damn tongue inside your mouth. You look like an idiot when you poke it out.
Didn't we have that photo of Hillary making the two-thumbs-up gesture? With the dodgy underpants shopped in? That would work again. :D
My little
political cartoon from a few years back shows up on page four of Yahoo's image search for "
political cartoon"... Probably because Yahoo owns Flickr.
Note to J.M. : keep that damn tongue inside your mouth. You look like an idiot when you poke it out.
Didn't we have that photo of Hillary making the two-thumbs-up gesture? With the dodgy underpants shopped in? That would work again. :D
http://cellar.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=15270&d=1192683808Not a picture, but something you'd probably never though
the POTUS would say.
(I should add that my last post's link is certainly NSFW -- wear headphones.)
The winner in that scenario is the whores on the business boat.
This thing won't let me post a pic unless I add text?
This thing won't let me post a pic unless I add text?
Yes.
just post a "." and then the pic.
I can post pics now without any text at all. I just click in the text box to start my cursor. I used to have to type a character of some sort, but not now. Please don't ask me why.
From last October, but with a different name.
Shawnee...
I hope the map about first cousins marriage is a fake...
If not, I am very concerned for the American people. I knew they like to play pool, but never thought it was the gene one. That would change them all into rednecks.
:)
Dude, it's legal in most of Europe, including France.....
blue = legal
from Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriageWhat if the first cousins are gay?
What if the first cousins are gay illegal aliens?
Then they'll be adopting anchor babies.
It seems logical that in France it was not forbidden as the preeminent religion (catholicism) was against it unless you get a dispensation.
What if the first cousins are gay?
There are more gay people in Ohio and Indiana than there are in the south.
:p:
I see what you did there.
Thank you! So much of my work goes unnoticed. I'm like the Van Gogh of Vague Sarcastic Bitchery. ;)
Heh.
Should say "thank you, President Bush"
Actually the second one makes sense. It's like the Betty Ford clinic. Bush Sr. must have gone there at some point to get his intelligence improved.
Which also explains the difference between Sr. and Jr.
Absolutely! Sr probably tried to make Jr go get him some smarts, but Jr, being a rebel from way back, got kicked out before he even started. :lol:
No Shrub, your other left.
GHWB was head of the CIA for a while, wasn't he? Or at least a senior leader of it?
Absolutely! Sr probably tried to make Jr go get him some smarts...
"Abby Someone."
"Abby Someone. Abby who?"
"Abby Normal."
"Abby Normal?"
"I'm almost sure that was the name."
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Re picture in post 153 ... doesn't Merc have a reddish handlebar mustache? Just askin.
Back when I was in 6th grade, Russia was part of the USSR (United Soviet Socialist Republic), but we just called the whole thing Russia. I don't they consulted Glen Beck on the name.
That's silly, "everybody" knows no matter who wins, we're the ones getting screwed.
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Ah. There it is.
I still won't be able to find this thread the next time I'm looking for it.
Pretty funny, since Rand Paul won his seat...
And for those watching the Delaware race.......
I give you thisok, someone had to do it.
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You know only about half that is true
You know only about half that is true
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Yeah, explain that, science!
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Most of these funny political cartoons are incomprehensible to me.
Some of them I don't get the social reference, some I just don't get the humour.
What's funny about Obama in a golf buggy in the aftermath of the Japan tsunami?
And yes, I do get that it's photoshopped, I just don't understand why.
Apparently the tea party is Middle Eastern.
Apparently the tea party is Middle Eastern.
Haggis!
Sundae sorry for the over US political references this thread is dominated by. If it makes you feel better here are two for you:
(I hope you find it funny and not offensive)
and
Haggis! Negro stop... you are going to cause a rift between the US and the UK! Not.
Sundae sorry for the over US political references this thread is dominated by. If it makes you feel better here are two for you:
(I hope you find it funny and not offensive)
No apologies needed, I've said before this is an American board. I just never know if it's me missing something, or a cultural thing I'm never going to get.
And thanks for the British ones.
Absolutely no offense! I'm not an ardent Royalist and laugh at humour far closer to the bone from UK comedians. I felt proper at home.
Here's something for both sides of the pond.
Arnold Schwarzenegger (Governor of California and movie star) with Boris Johnson (Mayor of London) on Boris bikes.
And thanks for the British ones. Absolutely no offense! I'm not an ardent Royalist and laugh at humour far closer to the bone from UK comedians. I felt proper at home.
I realise this is a pics thread, and I am breaking the rules posting a vid, but hey I'm a rebel!
Just to give an example of the general lack of respect afforded the royals on TV:
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I think it's funny that Americans think we'll get really pissed of if they mock the royal family. But then they are often horrified by the lack of "respect" in Prime Minister's Question Time and peed when we Brits show little reverence for the president etc. It's just a different culture -like we touched on the the titles thing.
Bizarre really. In so many ways British culture is more deferential, and yet in other ways so much less so.
It's a trade-off I guess. We accept the class system (less so now but still) and the royal right to rule, but it's still a contract of a kind. And part of that contract is our right to pillory.
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No apologies needed, I've said before this is an American board. I just never know if it's me missing something, or a cultural thing I'm never going to get.
We aspire to be a human board though, so call us on it when we get to into ourselves.
I never think you're up yourselves when it comes to your nationality, otherwise I wouldn't be here.
It's just that sometimes things sail so far over my head I need help.
Usually it's cultural.
Sometimes I'm just thick :)
I keep wanting to post clips from The 10 o' Clock Show, but they'd require so much back story that they really wouldn't be funny any more. If a joke goes back more then two years it's pretty hard to translate all the nuances.
I see everyone here as a human being and an individual.
But I accept that political humour has a limited audience.
Us asking for clarification on one of these pics is just like one of the Merkin dwellars asking for a Brit-US translation on some of our slang.
Oh do post more clips, SG -I'm stranded in the desert here! Or throw me an S and I'll be much happier..... :D
I couldn't care less about politics. But, this is funny.
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That's a classic, grav.
This one might sting a little, but its still funny.
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Again, I care not for political sides or whatnot, I'm only interested in the humor.
That said:
One of those I can't really figure out why I find it chuckly, but I do!
Because once the thought is in your head, it really looks like he is moving!
I know! :lol:
I can hear it in my head, him whirring around.
Oh that's wonderful.
That's like the world's greatest segway.
I love it. I can't believe the mall cops here ride segways. When my friend and I walked in the mall in winter with the old folks, these guys cracked me up every time.
Also:
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Well, now I have something to do today...I can wish for that three minutes of my life back.
Too funny.
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I missed the earlier posts in The Wedding thread because I really didn't get into reading about the event. I received the image in an email. I did realize that the analogy was satirized through alteration which is why I posted it in the Funny political pictures thread and not The Wedding thread; so, I didn't see that it had already been discussed. Sorry I can't delete it at this late time; but, thanks for bringing the redundancy to my attention.
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Timely, too. :p:
From
Get Your War On (thanks scotland yard)
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Timely, too. :p:
From Get Your War On (thanks scotland yard)
Timely indeed. A wise member recently noted that you can make statistics say anything you want if you have such an agenda.
You'll notice that Kentucky does not, repeat does not allow cousins to marry. Gay, or otherwise.:lol2:
Wait, what planet am I on?
Ahem. Larry Bird. Ahem.
Are you saying Reagan was black? :rolleyes:
No,but the only unprecedented thing was Obama's blackism. Two unrelated things do not a point make.
Are you saying Reagan was black? :rolleyes:
Thank you.
Ahem. Larry Bird. Ahem.
Well, if you want to go
far enough back, they were
all white for a good number of years...and besides, it's called the '
Funny Political Pictures Thread', not the '
Literal Political Pictures Thread', or the [COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]'Let's pick it apart til it's no longer funny political picture thread'[/COLOR]. JFC.
kthxbai.
Eh fuck off, Mr Find an Old Post and Cry About It.
What a noodge.
Made me thing of tw
Nope. I don't miss swagger and hubris.
and for digr ( yeh should go in some other thread - for which I'm too lazy to look.)
I can dig it. No, really, I can dig it.
Matt Wuerker does it again.
Oh God, y'all, please don't elect Perry. Please.
He only ascended to governor because he was next in line when Bush Jr. left office mid-term to be president. And then the next time an election came around, he was already the incumbent, so there was no real competition allowed in the primary, and that's been the story ever since. (And we don't elect Democrats around here, everyone knows that.)
If you thought Bush was bad, trust me, you do not want Perry.
Oh God, y'all, please don't elect Perry. Please.
He only ascended to governor because he was next in line when Bush Jr. left office mid-term to be president. And then the next time an election came around, he was already the incumbent, so there was no real competition allowed in the primary, and that's been the story ever since. (And we don't elect Democrats around here, everyone knows that.)
If you thought Bush was bad, trust me, you do not want Perry.
The man doesn't even understand the Texas' constitution please don't expect him to understand the US one!
“Texas is a unique place. When we came into the union in 1845, one of the issues was that we would be able to leave if we decided to do that,” Perry said. “My hope is that America and Washington in particular pays attention. We’ve got a great union. There’s absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, who knows what may come of that.”
Texas DOES NOT have the right to leave the union. It can divide into more states.
He wants to spend state funds on a X-tian prayer meeting! Yeah, lets just forget the whole "separation of church and state" thing or the fact that our state is already facing a $27 BILLION shortfall. Gee and I thought our Republican overlords were supposed to be fiscally responsible.
So ... you think he fits in the "Another dry hole" category
I agree.
Matt Wuerker is on one of my RSS feeds. His stuff is spot on....
Dudes been on a major roll lately....
An oldie someone emailed me.
this thread is makin me sick lately... urk.
Seriously, FOX? Seriously?
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Mr. Rogers is running a prostitution ring????
Whoda thunk it? ;)
And from the grave, no less.
wait a sec! did he do stand up and die in the early 90's?
It was HIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!
No, Mr. Rogers died in 2003 or something and his jackets were sweaters.
Mr Rogers didn't smoke. That we know of. ;)
No, Mr. Rogers died in 2003 or something and his jackets were sweaters.
I was kidding - relate to another thread.
You guys ever hear about how his car got stolen in the late 90s/early 2000s? They put it on the local news as a "What is this world coming to?" kind of human interest story... and the next day his car was put back, with a note from the thieves saying that if they'd known it was his car, they never would have stolen it.
Mr Rogers' car or Mr Perry's car?
Mr Rogers didn't smoke. That we know of. ;)
He mainlined regularly, though.
I was kidding - relate to another thread.
I knoes :)
Clod, I never knew that!
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That was hilarious! Thanks. :)
Glad to see someone else had that reaction! I thought it was a sign of the apocalypse! :nuke:
;)
life is good. outstanding.
Not surprisingly, that entire site was apparently over my head.
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fuck yeah.. it's ugly now, and headed downhill fast.
Those are both awesome Infi.
It’s worth mentioning that President Obama has also made 11 trips — all or part of 27 days — to Camp David, the presidential retreat in Frederick County, Md. Knoller, however, says he doesn’t count trips to Camp David as part of any presidents’ "vacation" time. But for the sake of comparison, President George W. Bush, made more trips to that country residence than Obama. According to Knoller, Bush made 25 trips — a total of 78 days — to Camp David in 2001.
But no matter how much time a president actually spends away from the official residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., Knoller says that the commander in chief is never really off the clock. "I have long held the view that a US president is never really on vacation," Knoller told FactCheck.org in an e-mail. "The job – and its awesome powers and responsibilities – is his wherever he is and whatever he’s doing."
Anyone who thinks the President of the United States is ever off the clock is a God Damm Fool or an idiot.
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/president-obamas-vacation-days/Anyone who thinks the President of the United States is ever off the clock is a God Damm Fool or an idiot.
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/president-obamas-vacation-days/
This is not the political discussion thread. It is the 'Funny political pictures thread'. If we all start refuting the pics that we think are off-kilter then this thread will cease to be a humorous one.
If I can bite my tongue on some of the rightwing humor in here then i am sure you can do the same.
So post a couple. :)
We could use a lil British flair in this thread.
*applauds* that's fucking awesome.
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UK and Libya's role in rendition, by Steve Bell
Every ointment has a fly in it...
On the London riots: 'The Pied Piper of Consumerism'
Someone please tell this guy how to spell 'teleprompter'.
Dana - not much on the last one.
I would have quite happily stolen my neighbour's Barbie Town House if I thought I could get away with it. Consumerism is just another name for coveting, and that's old enough to be in teh Bible.
Classic - Amen.
It's not as simple as that, never as simple as that, but I work with some outstanding teachers and their contribution to future generations is literally priceless. Those that take a career path can be remunerated reasonably - Head of Year, Deputy Head, Head Teacher etc. But those who just want to teach make a massive difference on a living wage and parent appreciation. It's a calling.
that was an excellent daily show segment.
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I'm not sure which one I would trust less.
An egg that's had a lobotomy, or an egg that's had its balls cut off...
The Republitards must all go the the same grammar school. That's a lil annoying. I'm gonna cry.
For all the Mean Girls out there:
I still like the sexually active band geek...
is that wrong?
I love him. He was the best thing ever to happen to the good old U Ess of A, except for Obama of course.
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Let's change the constitution so Obama can be elected for a third and fourth term.
I'll sign that petition!
You, sir, are a genius!
That's not funny 'cause it's true.
Well ... there is that.
I appreciate Matt Wuerker because he hammers both sides unlike the more partisan crap one sees all the time.
That's not funny 'cause it's true.
omg. glatt is wrong.
omg.
Here's the correction: Obama's last turn is hard to port, not starboard. Haven't you ever heard of a crazy ivan? this is a hysterical hussein.
He always goes left in the bottom of the hour!
Prolly doesn't belong here, but whatever... maybe the WTF thread.
Do we have a pathetic political pictures thread?
...
that can't be real. I know you posted it, I mean the person who put together that slide for Fox can't really believe that these actions would encourage job growth.
found it on a friends FB page. He is usually quite reliable, but who knows.
It certainly wouldn't surprise me.
And Obama's fomenting class warfare by suggesting a tax increase.
:eek:
If you get confirmation or denial on that one, please let me know. That is #$%@ing jaw-dropping, even for Fox.
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I don't get the graphic. Are those shadow people with or without jobs? Beyond that, does having a job or not having a job make people's shadows bigger than the Capitol building? Are the clouds around the Capitol building shaped like dollar signs?
Maybe the two guys to the right of the white house have better jobs? Because the first shadow dude to the left of the Capitol building is just leaning there, slacking.
If he's got time to lean, he's got time to clean.
No, it is no-one we know. [dead pan straight face].
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And does not reference anyone we know, either.
That looks like Glen Beck on the tv.
Where's this guy's gold?
To whomever originated this pic:
:notworthy
The two guys on the right of the pic are The Mythbusters. It's a series on the Discovery Channel. They did the 'plane on a treadmill' thing. You oughta check 'em out, you can watch clips I think at Discovery Channel's website. Great entertainment.
To whomever originated this pic:
:notworthy
:lol: that fucking rocks.... how true.
The two guys on the right of the pic are The Mythbusters. It's a series on the Discovery Channel. They did the 'plane on a treadmill' thing. You oughta check 'em out, you can watch clips I think at Discovery Channel's website. Great entertainment.
Ahhh! ok. That makes sense now. Thankyou :P
Clipped from "If FOXNews existed throughout history":
To whomever originated this pic:
:notworthy
Not only is that not funny, it's facually inaccurate.
Not only is that not funny, it's facually inaccurate.
Yes, it is, and, no, it's not.
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Hahaha. Love the buttons.
Hahaha. Love the buttons.
Ditto.:D
hopefully provide some levity to the air of disappointment
Nice.
Even Carmella Soprano knew all things come to an end.
Nice.
Even Carmella Soprano knew all things come to an end.
It's the same with the wildwood weed...
Ok, he wasn't really personally responsible for all this stuff. But funny anyway.
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One for the Merc ... he he he
lol
That's the thing about the 99%. We're a broad church :p
One for the Merc ... he he he
That was great! He needs a few more Big Macs!
One for the Merc ... he he he
I thought that was me...but, the whiskers ain't white enough.
:p:
Don't fuck with the Jesus!
pssst ... weren't they moneychangers?
poetic license
its what wrote the bible in the first place.
poetic license
its what wrote the bible in the first place.
:lol2: That's not funneh.
pssst ... weren't they moneychangers?
And, yes.
pssst ... weren't they moneychangers?
Potato, potahto.
One for the Merc ... he he he
Hey, where'd you get that picture of sycamore?
:lol: Thats reallys good. So true.
I cant read the what is in the red area, though...I know it looks somewhat like communist (since its in Russia), but I cant make it all out.
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:lol: Thats reallys good. So true.
I cant read the what is in the red area, though...I know it looks somewhat like communist (since its in Russia), but I cant make it all out.
OMG of course it's fucking 'communists'....I have no idea why, and I have been puzzling over it intermittently since seeing this, but I read that as 'cornflakes'...
:o
@ Classic: love it. I'm emailing that one to J.
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OMFG - That is hilarious!
She turned him into a Newt.
Panel 7 is funny.
If he didn't have a chance of winning, panel 3 would be hilarious.
I saw
his doodles on Slate. He's definitely unbalanced in some way.
For Sheldon - Happy B-day.
Interesting use of math. Someone needs a calculator and/or some ethics.
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Yet another "oh, whoops, sorry" mistake from Fox. Funny how they all tilt the same way.
Seriously, how can anyone take that junk seriously? Yet some do. *bewilderment*
Funny how they all tilt the same way
Fox mistakes are collected by
Media Matters for America, who watches the 24x7 channel 24x7, and only report the mistakes that follow their narrative.
Well then they shouldn't give them so damn much ammunition!
As a multi-kabillion dollar corp, they could hire someone to sort of check that kind of stuff.
It's willful ignorance. You know, like G-dub had.
Fox mistakes are collected by Media Matters for America, who watches the 24x7 channel 24x7, and only report the mistakes that follow their narrative.
The way you say that sounds like you're critical of them. Are you?
Yes, I think they are part of the new divisiveness that is destroying the nation.
The way you say that sounds like you're critical of them. Are you?
Only in an academic "critique-ey" way :rolleyes:
But Toad, don't you think I have a point? That they shouldn't give so much ammo? Do you think a right-leaning reporting agency wouldn't jump all over it if the tables were turned?
So, I do think that they practice willful ignorance, then like to point out how this damn liberal media picks on them.
Really, they have money. Why can't they be more accurate? Answer? Then CAN, they don't wanna. They get away with it with their sheep, and they look shamefully embarrassed when it's pointed out. "Oh we're so sorry but we made a wittle mistake and quit picking on us we're really TRYING for fair and balanced."
IN fact, it's pretty puke-worthy when you think of it, and to lie back and say they're being picked on is not taking a stand, it's buying into the very divisiveness that FOX itself strives for.
I should make my theme "Calm and Thoughtful" then when I'm mean I can feign innocence when people say "OMG you're not REALLY Calm and Thoughtful"?
Fox News is also part of the new divisiveness that is destroying the nation.
MMfA figures the best way to combat this is not to fight divisiveness but to amp it up.
Anyone operating 24x7 is going to fuck up graphics, no matter how much money is thrown at the problem.
ETA
...and they look shamefully embarrassed when it's pointed out. "Oh we're so sorry but we made a wittle mistake and quit picking on us we're really TRYING for fair and balanced."
As a non-Fox viewer, you have made this up in your own head. You fill the painting out with your own colors, with the way you prefer the world to look. It's not personal, everyone does this. I however am trying to avoid it.
Fox News is also part of the new divisiveness that is destroying the nation.
MMfA figures the best way to combat this is not to fight divisiveness but to amp it up...
I don't know....
Amping up would be to create and distribute their own incorrect, misleading graphics, etc. Do they go beyond correcting Fox's "mistakes"?
I think if graphics errors on 'liberal' 24 hr network news were so rampant, they'd have a web page devoted to debunking them, too.
What is a liberal news network? Cnn? I really don't know.
How are they amping? Trying to tell people that it's not TRUE that Dewey won?
Amping up would be to create and distribute their own incorrect, misleading graphics, etc.
With a little honest reflection I think you'll find this statement is not true.
With a little honest reflection I think you'll find this statement is not true.
I've given it a little honest reflection, and after reconsidering, I find my statement to be true.
I'd have expected you to be more skeptical of fox news, Tony.
CBS News, operating with a large budget and airing 2.5 hours per week, explained that G. W. Bush was AWOL from his National Guard position via a document so obviously bogus that within hours it was thoroughly debunked.
When it was pointed out that the document was obviously bogus, CBS News hunkered down.
Fox News, airing 168 hours per week (minus reruns), occasionally makes errors in their graphics. MMfA selects the ones that seem damning because they create a narrative that you can enjoy having never watched the channel.
Ya follow?
I've given it a little honest reflection, and after reconsidering, I find my statement to be true.
That must have been a difficult minute and a half for you.
But OK, from now on, I will follow you, and only you, around the Cellar and point out your mistakes.
Divisive? Or honest behavior from me. Give the question two minutes this time.
I'd have expected you to be more skeptical of fox news
How do you know I'm not?
OK, let me try this tack, though no one listens anyway (hey, I should make up graphics for all my posts.)
Fox news is extremely divisive
AND
Fox News is:
a) incredibly clever
b) incredibly stupid
c) incredibly poor
d) b and c
DO YOU THINK IT ISN'T WITHIN THEIR POWER TO HAVE SOMEONE PROOF AND EDIT THEIR GRAPHICS?
DOES CNN POST INCREDIBLY WRONG GRAPHICS ENOUGH SO IT WARRANTS ENTIRE WEBSITES?
You're pulling our collective leg, right?
That must have been a difficult minute and a half for you.
:eyebrow:Look at the time stamps. I took at least 2 minutes, and possibly 1 second shy of 4 minutes.
But OK, from now on, I will follow you, and only you, around the Cellar and point out your mistakes.
...
You want me.:p:
How do you know I'm not?
I don't, but from what you've posted in this thread, you seem to be giving fox the benefit of the doubt, saying that they made a mistake, over and over and over. A skeptic might entertain the idea that they do these types of things on purpose.
This was an honest mistake, no way anyone would catch this error through any normal means. What, y'all think Fox is superhuman or sumthin'? Quit picking on them and just nod and smile. (Awww, come on, it's funny.)
:lol:
That pie chart is a perfect example of what UT is talking about.
Some intern took those numbers, which are probably real, and plugged them into a graphics program. Instead of doing a bar graph, which would make sense, they selected the pie chart option. The pie chart took the numbers (probably not as percentages, but as actual whole numbers) and created the pie. then the intern couldn't figure out how to make the % symbol show up so they labeled each slice with the number followed by a % sign. These are journalists, not mathematicians.
NPR ran into a similar math screw up when their journalist didn't know how to read a Murdoch financial report and made a wildly wrong report that they had to retract in shame.
And this happens all the time.
Because they have no one to review anything before it goes on air? EVER? That's why there are so many similarly wrong graphics?
NPR had 'a' screw-up? Does it happen so much that us laypeople have reason to notice? Nope. Us stupid people only deal with the ammo that's staring us right in the face.
Willful ignorance indeed.
Now smile and nod. Because you know, it's funny. All just some silly errors. I don't expect my chef to be able to consistently make a decent cheeseburger either. It's not HIS craft, and I can't, nay, I SHOULDN"T expect him to mostly make decent cheeseburgers.
O.M.G. I'm still digesting the line: These are journalists, not mathematicians. For one: mathematicians? 90 plus 60 plus 680 = 100? Yeah, don't expect they should know that. And journalists? Um, except for the FACT that they're fair and balanced that is NOT what I would call them.
Now I know you're pulling my leg. Youse guys. Quit it. I'm really upset with my brothers right now and I'm easily poked.
Let's do it this way IM: I will turn on Fox News right now and watch it for an hour. How many mistakes will I see? Not biased, one-sided stories meant to fire up its viewership... just mistakes?
I expect you figure I'll see one right away, because that's all FN airs?
A skeptic might entertain the idea that they do these types of things on purpose
A skeptic will use direct observation to determine truth.
A skeptic will use direct observation to determine truth.
And what direct observation tells you that fox is truly making mistakes?
I don't know. I've been in fast paced situations before where you have a lot to get done in a short amount of time and you just do the best you can. You wind up making some mistakes. You need a fresh pair of eyes to catch mistakes. And those eyes need enough time to actually look at stuff carefully.
I hate 24 hour news. I only see it in hotels when I'm eating my breakfast in the lobby. You can see how they put that crap together very rapidly. And even if there is nothing happening in the world, they still have to fill the air time.
There's some quote out there about not ever assuming that maliciousness is at play when mere incompetence can be used to explain the same problem. I think Fox is incompetent when they screw up their charts. I don't think they are malicious. I also think that to raise the level of quality up to the point that there are almost no mistakes, you would need to double or triple the size of their staff. You need one person to check the work of the other. I'd be surprised if they can afford that.
Fox news and CNN should both be treated as fast and sloppy and held to a lower standard than news programs that have all day to produce a half an hour.
I don't know. I've been in fast paced situations before where you have a lot to get done in a short amount of time and you just do the best you can. You wind up making some mistakes. You need a fresh pair of eyes to catch mistakes. And those eyes need enough time to actually look at stuff carefully.
And Fox can't afford it. They're understaffed, I'm sure.
Oh my dog.
We make mistakes in any areas, consistently, we put in check and balances. We keep making the same mistakes, our ass is out of here.
I love Americans, we're so ready to settle for mediocre, unless it's something sitting in our own living room, then we want perfection.
Again, I'll ask you: if it's just the occasional mistake why is it in our faces all the time? If the other side of the 24 hr newses are having the same issue, why don't we see stuff about that out there very often?
You guys are funny. I love you guys. Really. :heart-on:
That pie chart is a perfect example of what UT is talking about.
Some intern took those numbers, which are probably real, and plugged them into a graphics program. Instead of doing a bar graph, which would make sense, they selected the pie chart option. The pie chart took the numbers (probably not as percentages, but as actual whole numbers) and created the pie. then the intern couldn't figure out how to make the % symbol show up so they labeled each slice with the number followed by a % sign. These are journalists, not mathematicians.
NPR ran into a similar math screw up when their journalist didn't know how to read a Murdoch financial report and made a wildly wrong report that they had to retract in shame.
Actually it's not that complicated:
If fox were truly making making mistakes, I would expect roughly half of the mistakes would be on the side benefitting democrats and roughly half would be on the side of the republicans. I do not watch fox news channel. Has anyone caught sight of a site that cites instances where fnc made a mistake that made democrats look better? Or have you had that experience yourself?
I'll ask you: if it's just the occasional mistake why is it in our faces all the time?
Two reasons... combined
1) It is in
your face all the time, because of the streams that you have chosen to watch. Your Dwellars, your FB Friends, and whatever other sources you have, are a biased group chosen by you. They impart to you biases that you are not even aware of. (Again, not just you, but everyone is subject to this very big problem.)
2)
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51949.html
“The strategy that we had had toward Fox was basically a strategy of containment,” said Brock, Media Matters’ chairman and founder and a former conservative journalist, adding that the group’s main aim had been to challenge the factual claims of the channel and to attempt to prevent them from reaching the mainstream media.
The new strategy, he said, is a “war on Fox.”
In an interview and a 2010 planning memo shared with POLITICO, Brock listed the fronts on which Media Matters — which he said is operating on a $10 million-plus annual budget — is working to chip away at Fox and its parent company, News Corp. They include its bread-and-butter distribution of embarrassing clips and attempts to rebut Fox points, as well as a series of under-the-radar tactics.
There are equally brazen groups on the right attempting to "wage war" through selective editing and sound-biting, but none that I know of who focus so thoroughly on one source, as MMfA does to Fox.
The hour is up. The last hour of FN had these numbers of different graphics.
1 statistics
4 biographical detail on commentator
1 quote
2 poll results
None had any obvious mistakes.
Many of my FB friends, and family, are quite conservative, actually.
Now, I think that this extrapolates to either 1) the 'other' side (which is only to say those who might be laughing at similar posts about CNN) from me would never mention such mistakes (which we know isn't true) or those mistakes don't exist in numbers big enough for it to be so noticed.
There are plenty of people who would jump on the 'point and laugh at CNN' wagon if such mistakes were so prolific for them. (I keep saying CNN but I have no idea what the 'liberal' 24 hour news is.
There are plenty of folks here on the Cellar, Dwellars, who would LOVE it.
My face isn't thatt selective, I can't decide what's being thrown in it all the time.
War on Fox my big fat ass. :headshake
Let's do it this way IM: I will turn on Fox News right now and watch it for an hour. How many mistakes will I see? Not biased, one-sided stories meant to fire up its viewership... just mistakes?
I expect you figure I'll see one right away, because that's all FN airs?
A skeptic will use direct observation to determine truth.
Hello UT--
We've had discussions in this area before. I have LOTS of complaints about Fox's behavior, I'd like to pick on this one just now.
I contend that your very normal, regular speech used in the quote I've made above is way most folks view them; Fox *News*, a reporting of facts, "Here's the news". You used it that way in your sentence (to my ears) and in my experience, most other people see it the same way, that they're a news reporting outfit. Journalists, recording and relaying what is happening.
In the next breath you put a qualification on your remarks excluding some kinds of things that, once again, normal, regular people will experience; what you expect to experience, notably bias and one-sided stories broadcast with the intent to foment shit.
Maybe there will be mistakes, maybe not.
My point here is that they have stolen the meaning of the word "News", in the best Orwellian style, and made it into the opposite of what it really means. They are the cuckoo of television, laying this alien egg in the nest and having others expend the energy to deal with it.
They call themselves News, but there's much more attention and energy put into bias and opinionmaking than straight news. That's not a mistake. That's deliberate, and it is misleading.
Edited to add:
This is no semantic nit picking on my part. They actively, vigorously portray themselves as NEWS. Witness their taglines, so frequently repeated they're idioms in our language now:
Fair and Balanced
and
We Report, You Decide.
The first one is an outright lie. The second one is more subtle, but just as pernicious, they may well report, but the decisions will be based from a limited pool of information.
It's eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevilllllllllllllllllll, is what it is. :devilsmilie:
If fox were truly making making mistakes, I would expect roughly half of the mistakes would be on the side benefitting democrats and roughly half would be on the side of the republicans.
I would expect it to be 75-25 on the R side.
It's a biased organization, and the nature of mistakes is such that bias will be shown in its mistakes.
Take the bad graph showing unemployment trends. If one is biased to expect unemployment didn't decline in the last report, one is less likely to notice the mistake that the graph failed to show the decline.
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NPR ran into a similar math screw up when their journalist didn't know how to read a Murdoch financial report and made a wildly wrong report that they had to retract in shame.
I remember when this happened, it was very embarrassing. NPR certainly does make mistakes. And they have a weekly segment for retracting errors too. I don't watch a lot of Fox News. But I have *never* seen a retraction from them, certainly nothing amounting to a weekly section for corrections. Does this exist? And if it does, why is it not more prominent?
Biggie, I swear to you on my life and my love of it, that after a year of being a relentless news hound following all channels 12 hours a day and soaking it in...
what you describe is ALL THE CHANNELS
every single source of any type of information at all has a BIAS because all PEOPLE have a BIAS
the nature of bias is that they may not even be aware of it, just as you and all of us are unaware of our biases; or more likely, they will think of their bias as being naturally correct, and therefore think they cannot be biased.
but to make a larger point of it
who will we get news from?
the biggest story of 2008
John Edwards
was having an affair while his wife was dying of cancer
with a woman he put on his campaign payroll
who was a bimbo of the tallest order
and eventually this led to a baby
whom Edwards could not have supported if President
or nominated D Candidate for President
without a paper trail documenting a scandal
so bad it could have taken down his party in short order
...and this was exclusively reported by the National Enquirer.
Trust the National Enquirer? Of course not!
But I have *never* seen a retraction from them
i have... frequently
The hour is up. The last hour of FN had these numbers of different graphics.
1 statistics
4 biographical detail on commentator
1 quote
2 poll results
None had any obvious mistakes.
Your first step in determining the
Poisonn distributionBigV - Define "Fox *News*"
To which part are you referring? The Hannity, O'Reilly, Wallace type shows to which MSNBC has Maddow, O'Donnell and Shultz or are you referring to the hour long "general" or "world" news shows?
i have... frequently
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1279464688001/kagan-controversy-in-hc-case/
The newscaster introduces the reporter as national correspondent Steve Centanni. He goes on to tell about Justice Kagan's previous connections with the health care legislation.
At about 0:40 the correspondent says:
"...she would legally be required to recuse herself from the case. But according to the Constitution, a Justice must recuse even if he or she quote, 'expressed an opinion concerning the merits of the particular case in controversy'. That's from Article 28 of the Constitution. In spite of this controversy though, Kagan has given no indication yet that she will recuse herself in this case, in fact, Justices rarely do so.
The title to the graphic during this segment reads:
'expressed an opinion concerning the merits of the particular case in controversy'
U.S. Constitution, Article 28, Section 144.
There are some real problems with this story. First of all, as numerous other sources have pointed out, there is no Article 28 or Section 144 of the US Constitution whatsoever--that was made up out of thin air to lend some semblance of credibility to their opinion-making--"wait, it isn't just me saying she should recuse him/herself, it's in the Constitution!!".
This isn't just a mistake. This is a lie. It is a deliberate attempt to deceive. This isn't news, it isn't Fair. They attempt to distract by invoking "Balance" by telling about Justice Thomas' recusal "situation" due to his wife's employment and potential conflict of interest. Interestingly, everything I can find actually supports the validity of the statements about the Thomas side of the story, but no invocation of the Constitution or calls for his recusal.
My questions to you, UT, are: Where is the retraction for this error? Why is it still being published on Fox's own website? What do you think of this kind of story? Do you consider it news? Do you think Fox is trying to present it as news?
This isn't just a mistake. This is a lie. It is a deliberate attempt to deceive.
If you're going to masturbate at least have the sense to do it in private.
I grudgingly am going to dull the pain a tiny bit of Fox News here.
They were probably referring to this:
28 U.S.C. sec. 144, captioned "Bias or prejudice of judge," provides that under circumstances,
when a party to a case in a United States District Court files a "timely and sufficient Motion
that the judge before whom the matter is pending has a personal bias or prejudice
either against him or in favor of an adverse party," the case shall be transferred to another judge.
This refers to US District Courts, not the Supreme Court; and is in the Title 28 of the US Code.
P.S. Please tell Classic this is from Wikipedia, so he can critique it.
If you're going to masturbate at least have the sense to do it in private.
What a fucking dodge.
I refuse to take your bate.
I grudgingly am going to dull the pain a tiny bit of Fox News here.
They were probably referring to this:
This refers to US District Courts, not the Supreme Court; and is in the Title 28 of the US Code.
P.S. Please tell Classic this is from Wikipedia, so he can critique it.
Yep. I saw that too, so the language came from somewhere in our law. That doesn't dull any of the pain though, it excuses none of the embellishment. "US Constitution" "Section 144", because, what? Now the detail adds realism? Where did these inventions come from? I'd like to know that. Congressman Jeff Sessions was cited as the source for the call for an examination of Justice Kagan's involvement, did he suggest the Constitution had a role here? Who did? I also notice that there's no attribution to the "calls from the other side of the political spectrum" for Justice Thomas' involvement, just ... anonymous calls.
Furthermore, I've seen no opinions indicating that this section of our laws do indeed represent what Fox says they represent, that Justice Kagan should recuse herself in this situation.
I grudgingly am going to dull the pain a tiny bit of Fox News here.
They were probably referring to this:
This refers to US District Courts, not the Supreme Court; and is in the Title 28 of the US Code.
P.S. Please tell Classic this is from Wikipedia, so he can critique it.
They may well have been referring to this:
United States Code, Title 28, Section 455
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/28/455.shtml
§ 455. Disqualification of justice, judge, or magistrate judge
(a) Any justice, judge, or magistrate judge of the United States shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned.
(b) He shall also disqualify himself in the following circumstances:
(1) Where he has a personal bias or prejudice concerning a party, or personal knowledge of disputed evidentiary facts concerning the proceeding;
(2) Where in private practice he served as lawyer in the matter in controversy, or a lawyer with whom he previously practiced law served during such association as a lawyer concerning the matter, or the judge or such lawyer has been a material witness concerning it;
(3) Where he has served in governmental employment and in such capacity participated as counsel, adviser or material witness concerning the proceeding or expressed an opinion concerning the merits of the particular case in controversy;
A question for the room. Who here thinks that the following sections apply to Justice Thomas' recusal obligations?
(4) He knows that he, individually or as a fiduciary, or his spouse or minor child residing in his household, has a financial interest in the subject matter in controversy or in a party to the proceeding, or any other interest that could be substantially affected by the outcome of the proceeding;
(5) He or his spouse, or a person within the third degree of relationship to either of them, or the spouse of such a person:
(i) Is a party to the proceeding, or an officer, director, or trustee of a party;
(ii) Is acting as a lawyer in the proceeding;
(iii) Is known by the judge to have an interest that could be substantially affected by the outcome of the proceeding;
(iv) Is to the judge’s knowledge likely to be a material witness in the proceeding.
My point here is that they have stolen the meaning of the word "News", in the best Orwellian style, and made it into the opposite of what it really means. They are the cuckoo of television, laying this alien egg in the nest and having others expend the energy to deal with it.
Brilliant.
The Murdoch machine laid a similar egg in Britain's print media. They couldn't do it quite the same way with television news as the tv news is waaaay more heavily regulated than print media.
Unfortunately the end result isnt just that everyone else expends energy dealing with the cuckoo.
What actually happens is a race to the bottom. At least, that's certainly what happened in the British tabloids. Murdoch's papers changed the way tabloids worked. Eventually they all ended up scraping the barrell.
Too much political. Not enough pictures. No where near enough funny.
This whole thread is on report.
Better?
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Some of us were having fun....
FINE. Have your "funny political pitchurs", fine.
That one is funny, he's certainly having fun. :)
You intentionally ignoring my questions V?
Can we move this thread to politics?
KTHXBAI :bolt:
You intentionally ignoring my questions V?
Nope, I gave an example immediately following your post as you can see.
Post #433:
BigV - Define "Fox *News*"
To which part are you referring? The Hannity, O'Reilly, Wallace type shows to which MSNBC has Maddow, O'Donnell and Shultz or are you referring to the hour long "general" or "world" news shows?
Post #434:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1279464688001/kagan-controversy-in-hc-case/
--snip
Their news is bad enough. Their editorializing is far more creative. I have issues with their news and with their opinions. But this is an example of a straight news story with some important facts wrong.
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what you describe is ALL THE CHANNELS
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Here's what I have to say about THAT!I was so depressed seeing Newt with such a high number that it took me a while to notice that slight error in the pictures. :smack: :lol:
Oh and those percentages only add up to 88.4 - but there are plausible and genuine explanations for that (informal votes, write in candidates not listed here, etc.). Or it's another cockup.
Well the fact that Romney is the ... how can I put this ... least far right ... of that mob, made me wonder if the far right of Fox is against even him, trying to make republican primary voters associate him with Obama.
But that makes me wonder about the overall dumbness of this. If they really want Obama out, they need a candidate who will appeal to the broad electorate, i.e. someone centre-right (by US standards). Romney is the closest to this they have. Why would they reduce their chances of winning the big game in favour of getting their favourite but less electable candidate forward?
Dunno, now I'm second guessing people who may well be ideological idiots. Shrug.
arguing with drunks, teaching pigs to sing, tilting at windmills, it's a long, hallowed tradition...
Wait. What if Obama gets the republican nomination as well?
Ha!
I don't think the republicans want to win. They're staging something for 2016.
Because come on, really? There has never been such a clown car full of candidates. It's hilarious!
I mean, they can't be that stupid. Can they?
via via
Romney is the dark horse candidate. He's always been the black sheep of that group.
What is he, a horse or a sheep?
'Romney is the duck-billed platypus among the contenders.'
;)
He's the Eugene McCarthy of our generation
I don't think the republicans want to win. They're staging something for 2016.
I think they know the economy is going to be in the shitter for at least another 4 years, and they want Obama to continue to take the blame. If a Republican gets in now, then people will get a sense of, "See,
he couldn't fix it either," and 2016 is muddled. So maybe they figure Obama gets to keep this one, since incumbents generally have an advantage anyway, and they get a decisive win in 2016.
But I don't think this is a large partywide strategy. I just think all the smart candidates know not to bother until 2016.
Well put, but not funny... I need some funny today. I'm feeling pretty shitty.
C'mon peeps gimme something.
Oh, and for what its worth ... Here is their correction less than an hour afterward.
http://newscorpwatch.org/mmtv/201112140016Well put, but not funny... I need some funny today. I'm feeling pretty shitty.
C'mon peeps gimme something.
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Here you go...
Just got this in my email. Not a picture but politically funny all the same...
Twas the night before Christmas and in the White House,
Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse.
The stockings were hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes a payroll tax cut soon would be there.
There were holiday treats, made of veggies and grain,
No sugar allowed in the anti-obesity campaign.
The president was sleeping – all snug in his bed,
As low unemployment numbers danced in his head.
He dreamed of the year, with its wheeling and dealing,
And the fight over raising the nation’s debt ceiling.
A “grand bargain” emerged in secret talks with the Speaker,
But the president settled for a deal far weaker.
An agreement was reached, despite one glaring hitch,
It resembled a “sugar-coated Satan sandwich.”
The president reveled in ending “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,”
But questions about Solyndra proved tough to quell.
And then there were charges Obama thought spurious,
Related to the operation known as “Fast and Furious.”
With an eye toward the election, he would step up his game
Against GOP challengers — and he called them by name:
“Now Romney! Now Perry! Now Herman and Bachmann!
On, Gingrich! On, Paul! Santorum and Huntsman!
Your ideas are flawed, your policies I question,
All of your tax cuts would lead to recession.
I’m sure I can beat you in states blue and red,
Thanks to the raid that shot Bin Laden dead.”
Suddenly, on the South Lawn, there arose such a clatter,
Obama looked up to see what was the matter.
Republicans had arrived through the Southwest gate,
For yet another presidential debate.
They stood in a line, saluting our troops,
While Perry listed agencies: one, two, uh, oops.
Gingrich bashed the press, his disdain clearly showed;
Romney kept smiling, hoping Newt would implode.
Then what, to wondering eyes, came out of the sky?
But a tiny sleigh with a pizza delivery guy.
The driver was dynamic, a broad smile on his face,
Selling his books and singing “Amazing Grace.”
It was one-time candidate Herman Cain,
But his time in the spotlight created great pain.
And I heard him exclaim, perhaps for the last time:
“Merry Christmas to all! Don’t forget 9-9-9!”
I think they know the economy is going to be in the shitter for at least another 4 years, and they want Obama to continue to take the blame. If a Republican gets in now, then people will get a sense of, "See, he couldn't fix it either," and 2016 is muddled. So maybe they figure Obama gets to keep this one, since incumbents generally have an advantage anyway, and they get a decisive win in 2016.
But I don't think this is a large partywide strategy. I just think all the smart candidates know not to bother until 2016.
This is the best explanation for the current smorgasbord of fail.
I laughed loud enough at this that I woke up the cat...
It's okay, 'sokay...he's cool now.
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Ha! I miss waking up cats with guffawing.
I'm burying this here, because I don't want a full-on political row.
But having watched TV coverage of the Iowa caucuses, Republican candidates make me sick to my stomach.
Michele whatsit?
I watched her exit speech and I don't ever expect to hear God mentioned so much again unless I'm eavesdropping on a pretty good whorehouse.
If it'd been a Say God drinking game not even Marion Ravenwood would have walked away from the table.
Okay, socialism as a swearword, I find it odd, but it's a political POV.
But the God thing? Which equals the anti-gay thing? The Christian thing that equals the every man for himself thing?
I honestly find it scary and delusional and at odds with what America purports to stand for.
In a country that separates church and state?
Not up to me to criticise another country's politicians.
Ours are no great shakes.
But I couldn't get by without saying yours are terrifying.
ETA - I could criticise any politicians around the world.
In fact I engage in discussions about European politicians/ Heads of State often on other forums.
But the person who wins the US election calls themself The Leader of the Free World.
So I feel I have a real reason to despair that across the board, the Opposition* are God-botherers and homophobes.
ETA * the party with the most amount of seats in Parliament is called The Opposition.
Just adding because this might not translate in a two party system.
I agree.
The current pool is quite scary. What's even scarier is how many people think they're the end-all be-all antidote to everything that's wrong with this country. See, if'n we hadn't separated God from Politics in the first place...
I'm frightened of and disgusted by them.
...and yet folk vote for these people in their hundreds of thousands.
This seems an appropriate place to put this...
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Charlie Brooker looked so thin there!
I was deliberately playing at uber-shallow ;)
Here's a bit more of Stanhope:
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Re Doug Stanhope... he just doesn't get it.
As long as the next generation of royalty can come up with women
as neat, or good-looking, or sexy posteriors as Dianne, Kate,
and Kate's sister (respectively), I say keep on keeping on GB. ;)
Meh, no Brooker in that clip.
No good.
I had to giggle, first at Flat Screens for the Needy. Here, please.
But then when he talked about the napkin on the screen. I actually folded paper and taped it down the two or so inches of screen on the right of my monitor at home. First, because I was sick of looking at the stupid Jooler (jeweler, he can't say his own profession) with his big belly, bald head, and stupid grin. then it was to cover up the bright pink flashing advertisement (I don't even remember what it's advertising) that has a high probability of throwing someone into an epileptic fit.
This is all on pogo. I just want to whomp some words, you know? :lol:
Here ya go then :)
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...the Iowa caucuses, Republican candidates make me sick to my stomach.
It's useful to remember that they are competing with each other to appeal to their conservative base, because the contest now is to get their base to select them for the general election. In the general election, they will change their tune and suddenly be all butterflies and rainbows as they try to get moderates to vote for them. It's rather schizophrenic, but that's the way our system is. :3_eyes:
It's useful to remember that they are competing with each other to appeal to their conservative base, because the contest now is to get their base to select them for the general election. In the general election, they will change their tune and suddenly be all butterflies and rainbows as they try to get moderates to vote for them. It's rather schizophrenic, but that's the way our system is. :3_eyes:
Yes, and it's a relief to Democrats to see it happening to the other party for a change.
Dem's have torn one another up for years while the Repubs watched with glee.
Truth in the cliche: What goes around, comes around.
... except when a squirrel is involved.
Heard a great truism this morning "Republicans don't fall in love, they fall in line"
A NEW WORD IS BORN
I knew someone would find a name for our election process for this year.
ELECTILE DYSFUNCTION: the inability to become aroused over any of the
choices for President, put forth.
It looks like the cartoon is dated 2000, which actually is even funnier. As you know, two-term Clinton had to go (sad, sad day) and it was between G-dub and Gore. Is that the date on the top? My screen is small.
Florida's election process, from hanging chads to recounts, was the stuff great jokes were made of.
It's pertinent as hell this year too...but I think that was drawn for the 2000 election.
(I just shuddered just now. GAWD those eight years.) ;)
@ IM - Yeh - that's why he's holding a map highlighting Florida.
A NEW WORD IS BORN
I knew someone would find a name for our election process for this year.
ELECTILE DYSFUNCTION: the inability to become aroused over any of the
choices for President, put forth
Sorry, I thought you wrote this copy.
My bad.
no - it came in an email. just thought it was funny.
Oh, gotcha.
Well I've enlightened those who didn't know it was 12 years old and thought it was a 'new word' for 'this year.'
I think it is appropriate for this year, as well.
Yeah I think that's what I said up thar.
Hahahhaaaa!
I love the comic strip Mutts for it's gentle humor. This strip made me laugh out loud.
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I like "Repeal the 20th Century."
Make sure to read the fine print.
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"Terrorist Winner"
I'm still laughing.
To help save the economy, the Government will announce next month that
the Immigration Department will start deporting seniors (instead of illiegals)
in order to lower Social Security and Medicare costs.
Older people are easier to catch and will not remember how to bet back home.
I started to cry when I thought of you. Then it dawned on me...OH, CRAP!!!!!
I'll see you on the bus!
They even provide a Federal Air Marshal, right by the window, in disguise as a WWII Vet.
No no no - You misunderstand. He is the bonus deportee.
They don't have to pay his veterans benefits now either.
They're WINNING.
This sort of thing has been going on for years.
That cruise ship off Italy didn't crash by accident, you know. :tinfoil:
As a foreigner, I have a question about the Republican party.
Will they change their symbol, the elephant, once they have selected a candidate ? Because the choice of symbol seems a bit poor: a mitt or a newt (too much sorcery here?)...
If they choose Romney, at least, they'll get a (oops baseball) boxing champion because, to their mind, he'll be the Golden Mitt (or is that Glove?).
Why is their symbol a nellyphant anyway?
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What's funny is that, here in France, that poor animal is associated to the big guns in the Socialist Party. Supposedly because they have a lot of weight, yet it could be they're slow to move.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you 'The Most Accurate Political Cartoon In The History Of Politics':
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Carry on.
Fucking genius cartoon that.
Love the kiddywink with his ickle chamberpot head.
Fucking genius cartoon that.
Love the kiddywink with his ickle chamberpot head.
...playing w/turds.
:lol: but ouch at the same time.
:thumb2: Looks like
Tomi Ungerer's stuff
Is that the guy in Hell on Wheels? You know, the preacher?
Funny. But a bit mean.
Then I might think the same way if I lived in a country where Rick Santorum was a viable candidate.
Or I might just decide to kill myself.
*snort*
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"Treasury invokes patriotism in pitch to bank executives" ... well that'll work. :right:
From Christian Science Monitor.
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What, no pink slips?
They're wearing them under their suits.;)
They're wearing them under their suits.;)
:lol:
:lol: Of course, Republicans. Touche'.
The only thing that will do that is an Armageddon. And that's only temporary.
Thats good! Better would have been to use the Bushbama head
Oh that picture disturbs me.
oh shit - Spexx that Romney one is priceless.
The Fox coverage of Jeebus' death rocks!
Matt Wuerker's at it again ...
2nd from left is Walter Cronkite.
Ouch, Classic - never thought I'd see you playing the "Christians are a minority" card!
I know it's a set of images, and I disagree with many of them, but that one - to me - is the most ridiculous.
I do not know a single Western/ "developed" country more in thrall to Christianity than the USA.
Or one that is more hypocritical in what it promises to its citizens in terms of religious freedom. There is certainly no freedom from religion.
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Oooooh - good one, spexx.
giggles again island is funny as hell!
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"Then we fellas would go on down to the seedy part of town and get us some hookers, 'cause our wives weren't peforming their wifely duties, and we done already had 19 kids. Hardy har...little catholic humor for ya."
Funny or horrifying?
Funny as hell.... :)
"Then we fellas would go on down to the seedy part of town and get us some [COLOR="Red"]little boys[/COLOR], 'cause our wives weren't peforming their wifely duties, and we done already had 19 kids. Hardy har...little catholic humor for ya."
FTFY
Good one Ibram.
The vagina is a slippery...um, er...slope.
That's brilliant.
Ahem. Infi. Very funny.
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I've killed billions...:eek:
And anyway, who'd f*** Rush? I wouldn't f*** Rush with someone else's p****.
:vomit:
That one with her going into the toilets is disgusting. It's not often I feel offended as a woman by the rampant misogyny in our cultures, but that I find offensive.
That one with her going into the toilets is disgusting. It's not often I feel offended as a woman by the rampant misogyny in our cultures, but that I find offensive.
Agree.
I'm all for the government providing healthcare via single-payer, but that's not what is at issue. So even if the cartoonist had found a non-disgusting way to make his point, he wouldn't have had one.
That one with her going into the toilets is disgusting.
Agree.
even if the cartoonist had found a non-disgusting way to make his point, he wouldn't have had one.
Probably should have put it in the tasteless thread. Sorry, I was going out for the day.
That comic was BLASTED (rightfully so) everywhere it ran.
Yup. The Left has stayed in the same spot, and the Right has gone nutso.
Yup. The Left has stayed in the same spot, and the Right has gone nutso.
FTW
Yup. The Left has stayed in the same spot, and the Right has gone nutso.
I'd say the Left has moved a bit to the right.
Can a mod delete the last post? I decided to make it an IOTD instead.
For the dwellar ladies ...
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Barry is cooler than you think.
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Nah, I kid. He's a jerk intent on the destruction of America.
You'll notice Uhura does not have her arm around him. Mebbe she's cooler than we think!
CNN - 4/24/12
A Tuesday fundraising email from the candidate [Romney] asks supporters to donate,
promising entry [COLOR="Red"]"for a chance to share a meal with my lovely wife."[/COLOR]
picture, video ... whatever ;)
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When I worked as a polling station official, one ballot had all the boxes scribbled out and that very slogan written across it. Dude had even drawn the anarchy symbol.
Guess he showed us, eh?
It makes sense when you have compulsory voting.
Imma steal it for my sig. It's just too good to let die.
:lol2:
Someone else speaking out about what marriage should be: Bristol Palin. Bwaahahaaaaaaaaaahahhahaaa. omg omg omg omg.
Bristol, PLEASE don't grow up to be just like your attention ho flea tea bag mom.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/10/bristol-palin-too-much-glee-in-obama-decision/
She continued, "In this case, it would've been helpful for him to explain to Malia and Sasha that while her friends parents are no doubt lovely people, that's not a reason to change thousands of years of thinking about marriage.
It's not? I suppose when people realized we were wrong about slavery we shouldn't have abolished it since it has a long and fine tradition.
Jebus GOB get me off this planet. Seriously. Shoot me. Please.
"In this case, it would've been nice if the President would've been an actual leader and helped shape their thoughts instead of merely reflecting what many teenagers think after one too many episodes of Glee," Palin wrote, referencing the popular television show about high schoolers.
What a stupid girl. Really really dumb.
Remember when Dan Quayle referred to Murphy Brown as an example of the undesirable single mom situation, and then for years to come, the writers included anti Quayle jokes on that show?
I'm looking forward to the anti-Palin jabs on Glee. Although to see them, I guess I'd need to watch the show, which isn't going to happen.
What is with this thousands of years bollocks?
The standardised Christian understanding of marriage took a fuck of a long time to settle down.
Now....granted it was always a man and a woman, but there's lots about it that changed completely at various times. So why not this?
And by 'helped shape their thoughts' she's saying the Pres should tell his children what to think. Like Sarah taught Bristol. Basically, she's saying he should say to his children "be polite but know that even though they may be wonderful people and do wonderful things they are wrong wrong wrong and you must view them in that light always." Parents should always be more like Bristol and Levi. How's that fucky-baby thing working out for ya? (for those who don't know and before you yell at me I'm parodying Sarah's 'how's that hopey changey thing working out for you', you know, one of Merc's favorites.)
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Good on ya,
New Yorker.
good one!
This isn't really humorous, but I liked it just the same.
These have been great lately, imo. Probably because I agree with them. ;)
Classic I sent the rush one to my mom and she responded "what an A." Hahhaha!
The Limbaugh one is an absolute gem. Damn hypocrite.
I, for one... REALLY don't find islamophobia funny. I find it nasty and offensive.
Should be in the tasteless thread.
I, for one... REALLY don't find islamophobia funny. I find it nasty and offensive.
Yup.
Yeah, look at their sign. Need I say more? I hear the theme from Deliverance. Nasty.
Oh, sometimes it's sort of funny when poking the president but mostly it's just stupid childish stuff that some pudwhacker 'created' from the cheezburger sites templates that said pudwhacker thinks is full of fact and meaning and it's really just regurgitating numbers and factoids that are irrelevant in context.
You know, like "It wasn't Bush who (insert some military actions that occurred after Obama was elected) it was OBAMA.
So. boring.
I, for one... REALLY don't find islamophobia funny. I find it nasty and offensive.
Yup.
Ask a moderator to remove it.
Won't bother me a bit.
As a matter of fact:
[COLOR="Red"]Would one of our kind and generous moderators please remove/delete the images I posted in posts #646 and #647.
This a serious request.
Thank you.[/COLOR][COLOR="Red"]No, really.[/COLOR]
Pretty please? With sugar on top?
Uh-oh, I said 'pretty'. I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to all the ugly people I just offended with my hatespeech.
Dammit, I said 'sugar'. I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to all the diabetic people I just offended with my hatespeech.
Goddangit, I said people. I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to all the non-people entities I just offended with my hatespeech.
Son-of-a-turkey, I said God. I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to everyone who ain't God I just offended with my hatespeech.
Just stick em in the tasteless jokes thread :p
And for God's sake, someone get the man a handkerchief.
Just stick em in the tasteless jokes thread...
Really they should be wiped from the archive of human knowledge.
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I found the concept of an all-pork/ bacon/ ham restaurant funny as a way to avoid Jews and Muslims. If there was a good punchline. Can't think of one but Frankie Boyle probably could. 'Cepting he mostly targets white Brits.
My sneaky laugh would still be targeting a religious group, but not implying they are all killers. Maybe wrong. Probably. But the set-up has promise imho because I can certainly see my Muslim friends in Leicester finding it funny. With my imaginary punchline. I'm going nowhere with this, am I?
But I'd find a blood donor drive advertising "Free from Jehovah's Witnesses since 1945" [insert appropriate date] or a tyre shop "Free from Amish" etc etc. Not real adverts of course. Just jokes about the religions.
It's only those that denigrate a whole religion/ race/ culture which I dislike.
I can laugh at Catholic jokes. I couldn't laugh at IRA bombings.
Maybe I have a stick up my arse, but it's been there way before so-called political correctness.
I'm confused by the events of the last page... can't people remove the images they posted for themselves, by editing the post?
I never saw the pics in question, so whatever. I was just wondering about that.
Anyway, an oldie but a goody on the subject of political euphamisms:
can't people remove the images they posted for themselves, by editing the post?
Yes, but only for a short period of time. Like a day or so. If you go back to your older posts, you will see that you can't edit them.
Ibram, you bitched about
my post, and then you post
that?
Explain to me the difference. I dare you.
I was gonna say...that's offensive to police officers.
Well, it is.
If nothing is allowed to be funny then nothing is allowed to be funny. Consistency helps us unenlightened to remember everything we're not allowed to say so we don't accidentally offend anyone. And by 'everything' I mean 'everything.'
:stickpoke
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Wtf, House has come down in the world or what?
Oh hale, that does look like House.
Ibram, you bitched about my post, and then you post that?
Explain to me the difference. I dare you.
Sure thing.
When's the last time a cop got discriminated against, run out of restaurants, beat up, kicked off flights, unfairly treated or suspected by society in general? When's the last time it happened on a
massive scale?
There are legitimate problems to have with the law enforcement institutions in our country. They actually DO have, in almost every single district and precinct studied, a tendency to institute and enforce racially biased policy. That is something that should not be the case, and something they should fix. Calling attention to the problem is actually an important thing for us, as society, to do, even when we do it through humour.
There is NO legitimate reason to call the president a muslim threat to America, or to put signs up (or laugh at other people putting signs up) saying 'LOL NO MUZLIMS IN HEER CUZ PORK GO MURKA," any more than it would be funny to me to put a sign up outside a polish restaurant saying "you'd never see a darkie eating this stuff! No blacks here!" I think it contributes to the daily persecution many muslims in America face.
I think jokes about minorities, especially ones that only help further stigmatize the minority and help create the culture of oppression and separation, belong firmly in the "tasteless" thread, if anywhere. It's not just about being PC. it's about not making peoples lives worse. It's about basic human decency.
Oh. I see now. It's because you're so elevated above me. Is that because I'm from Kentucky, because I'm not college ejamuhcated, or what?
What you said is mealy-mouthed double talk. What you said is "yours wasn't funny cuz it hurt my feelings, and mine's ok, cuz I'm the one who said it."
And if that ain't it, you are a racist.
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Yes, you're really showing your classiness grav.
If I may interject, gravdigr, did you read the post in full? Because what you're saying Ibram said is completely different from what he actually said. Maybe you should read it again.
And he saved it!
Yes, you're really showing your classiness grav.
Oh, good. Cuz, classy was what I was going for.:neutral:
I'm offended because I'm not 'stay at home' nor am I a mom and neither are you so how dare comment on it.
I'm sorry. I luvz y'all but I don't really get who gets to be in charge of what is offensive and what is not.
It's tiresome anymore. And it's egocentric to think you're the decider. Is anyone else thinking this? Can anyone else express how tiring it is? How wrong it is...how absolutely hypocritical "don't point people out for things because it's offensive" yet pointing out every single thing that anyone says that might seem offensive to YOU is?
LIghten up Francis. Or stay out of the joke threads.
I remember Ibs getting on someone for saying something about a brightly colored fish or something looking like an ocean drag queen.
WTF? Where does it end?
I'm tired of it. I don't care if the only other people who are vocal about their feelings on it are on the opposite side of me and jump my shit. I have balls. Sorry, was that offensive?
Now I'm gonna take my 'by the river-livin' Injun ass' down the street and get drunk and build a casino. I just offended myself. Fuck. :lol:
I'm offended because I'm not 'stay at home' nor am I a mom and neither are you so how dare comment on it.
I'm sorry. I luvz y'all but I don't really get who gets to be in charge of what is offensive and what is not.
It's tiresome anymore. And it's egocentric to think you're the decider. Is anyone else thinking this? Can anyone else express how tiring it is? How wrong it is...how absolutely hypocritical "don't point people out for things because it's offensive" yet pointing out every single thing that anyone says that might seem offensive to YOU is?
LIghten up Francis. Or stay out of the joke threads.
I remember Ibs getting on someone for saying something about a brightly colored fish or something looking like an ocean drag queen.
WTF? Where does it end?
I'm tired of it. I don't care if the only other people who are vocal about their feelings on it are on the opposite side of me and jump my shit. I have balls. Sorry, was that offensive?
Now I'm gonna take my 'by the river-livin' Injun ass' down the street and get drunk and build a casino. I just offended myself. Fuck. :lol:
I'm now offended too!
did you read the post in full? Because what you're saying Ibram said is completely different from what he actually said. Maybe you should read it again.
But sometimes it's more fun to just respond to what you wish the person had said.
If I may interject, gravdigr, did you read the post in full? Because what you're saying Ibram said is completely different from what he actually said. Maybe you should read it again.
In the interest of "Maybe I Missed/Misread Something", I did, per your suggestion, go back and read the post again. I even read parts of it a third time. Thank you for your concern.
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I just remembered where I was...
I apologize, sincerely, if anyone (besides Ibram) is irrevocably offended by my statements/postings.
It was my intent to share humor, but, when there are those who willingly throw away any semblance of humor an image may have had, to make an effort to find offense, where none was inferred, fuck it.
Just, fuck it.
Over a fucking BBQ sign.
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You should fill that out before turning it in.
Every now and again, someone will post a cartoon or joke and someone else will find it offensive, or consider it to have crossed a line, they comment to that effect. One or two people then comment to the same effect and one or two other people claim we're all going to hell in a handcart because of PC bullshit or words to that effect.
This is no different to the way it has always been. Nor will it be any different in the future. It isn't a big deal (a joke crossed someone's line) nor does it indicate any change in tone or levels of acceptance on the Cellar (a joke crossed someone's line).
The only 'butthurt' I see going on here is Grav flouncing about the place making a massive noise because his jokes crossed someone's line. Get over it.
Get over it.
I did.
...fuck it.
Just, fuck it...
Your turn.
I think he was makin a joke, but ya never know with that crazy Gravy.
In any case, I think we have a "political pictures" thread and a separate "tasteless jokes" thread for a reason, and the tasteless and offensive sorts of jokes should stay in the tasteless thread. That's all I was saying. That's not butthurt. That's just wanting to keep the shit where the shit belongs.
...Calling attention to the problem is actually an important thing for us, as society, to do, even when we do it through humour.
There is NO legitimate reason to ...snip... put signs up ([COLOR="Red"]or laugh at other people putting signs up[/COLOR]) saying 'LOL NO MUZLIMS IN HEER CUZ PORK GO MURKA,"...
Go back and read your first statement.
I think it contributes to the daily persecution many muslims in America face.
And your opinion affects me, how?
In any case, I think we have a "political pictures" thread and a separate "tasteless jokes" thread for a reason, and the tasteless and offensive sorts of jokes should stay in the tasteless thread.
But the fly in your ointment, or vice versa, is it ain't your choice.
I realize that everything you don't agree with is oppression, repression, inhumane, and beyond the bounds of human decency, but boy are you gonna shit when you get to the real world. :rolleyes:
Well, I DO find it funny, so: bring it on folks! I'm all for bashing any and all fanaticisms.
Bash Mohammed! Bash Jesus! Bash Moses! Bash Republicans! Bash Democrats! Bash Libertarians! Bash Straights! Bash Gays! Bash Bi's! Bash Cross-dressers!
Bash the Married, the Single, the Clean, the Dirty, the Sane, the Insane, Women, Men, Children, and on and on and on...bash 'em ALL!
Humor is about taking taboo and pissing on it.
Grow up.
An anarchist, sociopath, conservative loner walked into a bar and asked to buy a drink. The bartender told him they don't sell drinks, people pay taxes to the bar and get welfare drinks in return.
That's when he passed out.
I'm offended: I'm not a conservative... ;)
But sometimes it's more fun to just respond to what you wish the person had said.
Go back and read your first statement.
The "problem" the post in question, and its sign saying NO MUSLIMS HERE!11!1!, was "drawing attention" to, was the fact that muslims are problems. That's not okay in my book, and not a legitimate topic of humour. The sign was not ironic, was not trying to draw attention to the plight of marginalized minority groups in america - it was just islamophobic and gross. Mine, on the other hand, while possibly making light of whatever perceived hardships police face, also humorously draws attention to the very real problem of police brutality, especially with regards to minority communities.
I don't see where I contradicted myself. The place of humour to draw attention to problems with society should be, at risk of sounding self-parodying, restricted to things that -I- think are problems! Or, more accurately, they should be restricted to problems that aren't born from racism, bigotry, hatred, and intolerance. Because none of those "problems" (like the "problem" of Muslims in Amerca) are problems - they are symptoms of the underlying hate and prejudice.
And your opinion affects me, how?
It doesn't. Or rather, it only does if you have a problem with me making very vocal and clear what my problems with bigoted posts are. I'm not going to stop "bitching" about racism, sexism, heterosexism, cissexism, and just about every other form of prejudice, bigotry, and out-and-out filth I come across. Even if all I do is piss the offenders off, rather than making them "see the error of their ways", or changing their behavior, I think it is one of my moral responsibilities to confront that wherever I come across it. I can't make you or anyone else behave like a kind, accepting, understanding, humane, basically decent person - but I can point out when that's not how it looks to me.
... he he he ...
Dude that Rocks.....
Now if we can just get Michelle to tell us about wanting to divorce O. Hussein Obama after he lost a race in Ill. we would have something!
The "problem" the post in question, and its sign saying NO MUSLIMS HERE!11!1!, was "drawing attention" to, was the fact that muslims are problems.
Your problem is you think everyone sees things as you do. How the fuck do you know people aren't laughing at the dumb redneck that posted the sign?
I don't see where I contradicted myself.
That I believe.
The place of humour to draw attention to problems with society should be, at risk of sounding self-parodying, restricted to things that -I- think are problems!
BINGO, that
you think are problems.
You can think anything you want, but that neither makes it true, or gives you the right to tell anyone else what they must think.
Or, more accurately, they should be restricted to problems that aren't born from racism, bigotry, hatred, and intolerance. Because none of those "problems" (like the "problem" of Muslims in America) are problems - they are symptoms of the underlying hate and prejudice.
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you are the one who makes the rules for the application of humor, your pompousness.
It doesn't. Or rather, it only does if you have a problem with me making very vocal and clear what my problems with bigoted posts are. I'm not going to stop "bitching" about racism, sexism, heterosexism, cissexism, and just about every other form of prejudice, bigotry, and out-and-out filth I come across. Even if all I do is piss the offenders off, rather than making them "see the error of their ways", or changing their behavior, I think it is one of my moral responsibilities to confront that wherever I come across it. I can't make you or anyone else behave like a kind, accepting, understanding, humane, basically decent person - but I can point out when that's not how it looks to me.
You left out Truth, Justice, and the American Way.:rolleyes:
If you continue to deliberately "piss off" the people
you've labeled, "offenders", prepare to get your ass kicked.
It'll be interesting to see what happens when you grow up and discover your opinion carries no more weight than anyone else's.
now ^THAT^ was a lecture.
How ... do you know people aren't laughing at the dumb redneck that posted the sign?
I confess that was exactly how the picture appeared to me.
I suppose if I'd thought Grav was anti-muslim in some way I might have seen it differently but he's never given me that impression.
I thought it was anti-muslim. But I don't think Grav is anti-muslim.
Nobody has the right to tell anyone what to think. But then nobody has the right to demand that someone else not be offended.
That's the thing when you post a joke on here. Sometimes someone finds it offensive and says so. No big deal. Just a joke that caused a little offense, intentionally or otherwise.
Here's a funny political video. :sweat:
I stand by my statement I misspoke and I apologize. I stand by my statement I misspoke and I apologize. I stand by my statement I misspoke and I apolo...
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Compare and contrast:
(Just one or two of the pictures don't make this pointed point. Yeah, it's mean. But funny!)
http://theobamadiary.com/2012/05/24/more-mitt-mania/Huh. There's a joke for the lost generation.
War/job one ... owwwch. Things really that bad?
The political cartoonist can deliver a much more powerful blow than an op-ed piece that many more people will see, and it's much harder to sue them for libel.
Not too soon, but emblematic of the misdirection of the foes of this effort.
;) Yep. Don't forget they'll knocking on your door anytime now. :rolleyes:
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you make me laugh cyber wolf. the sad rueful laugh of the doomed.
way to go. I hope you're happy now.
Quite simply, we all would like to get more from the government in services than we pay for in taxes, and power-hungry shysters have been willing to encourage and (temporarily) indulge us.
In my experience people generally want govenment to spend less on other people.
Not a picture, but still funny.
The Queen's Riddle
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Barack Obama met with the Queen of England.
He asked her, "Your Majesty, how do you run such an efficient government?
Are there any tips you can give to me?"
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"Well," said the Queen, "The most important thing is to surround yourself with intelligent people."
*
Obama frowned, and* then asked, "But how do I know the people around me are really intelligent?"
*
The Queen took a sip of tea and replied,* "Oh, that's easy: you just ask them to answer an
intelligent riddle." The Queen then pushed a button on her intercom and said,
"Please send Tony Blair in here, would you?"
*
Tony Blair walked
into the room and said, "Yes, Your Majesty?"
*
The Queen smiled and said, "Answer me this please, Tony,your mother and father have a
child.* It is not your* brother and it is not your sister. Who is it?"
*
Without* pausing for a moment, Tony Blair answered,
"That would be me."* "Yes! very good," said the Queen.
*
Obama went back home to ask Joe Biden, his Vice President, the same question.
"Joe, answer this for me. Your mother and your father have a child. Its not your brother and its not your sister.
Who is it?"
*
"I'm not sure," said Biden. "Let me get back to you on that one."* He went to his advisers
and asked every one, but none could give him an answer.
*
Finally, Biden ran in to Sarah Palin while eating out one night.
*
Biden asked, "Sarah, can you answer this for me? Your mother and father
have a child and its not your brother or you sister. Who is it?"
*
Sarah Palin answered right back, "That's easy, its me!"*
Biden smiled, and said, "Thanks!"
Then he went back to speak with Obama. "Say, I did some research and I have the answer to that* riddle. ------ Its Sarah Palin."
*
Obama got up, stomped over to Biden, and angrily yelled into his face,
"No you idiot! Its Tony Blair!"
Not a picture, but still funny.
No it's not. It would be funny if it had some context that made it party-appropriate, but it doesn't. For instance:
The Queen's Riddle
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Every republican ever met with the Queen of England.
He asked her, "Your Majesty, how do you run such an efficient government?
Are there any tips you can give to me?"
*
"Well," said the Queen, "The most important thing is to surround yourself with intelligent people."
*
every republican ever frowned, and* then asked, "But how do I know the people around me are really intelligent?"
*
The Queen took a sip of tea and replied,* "Oh, that's easy: you just ask them to answer an
intelligent riddle." The Queen then pushed a button on her intercom and said,
"Please send Tony Blair in here, would you?"
*
Tony Blair walked
into the room and said, "Yes, Your Majesty?"
*
The Queen smiled and said, "Answer me this please, Tony,your mother and father have a
child.* It is not your* brother and it is not your sister. Who is it?"
*
Without* pausing for a moment, Tony Blair answered,
"That would be me."* "Yes! very good," said the Queen.
*
every republican ever went back home to ask every other republican ever, his Vice President, the same question.
"every other republican ever, answer this for me. Your mother and your father have a child. Its not your brother and its not your sister.
Who is it?"
*
"I'm not sure," said every other republican ever. "Let me get back to you on that one."* He went to his advisers
and asked every one, but none could give him an answer.
*
Finally, every other republican ever ran in to every Democrat ever while eating out one night.
*
every other republican ever asked, "every Democrat ever, can you answer this for me? Your mother and father
have a child and its not your brother or you sister. Who is it?"
*
every Democrat ever answered right back, "That's easy, its me!"*
every other republican ever smiled, and said, "Thanks!"
Then he went back to speak with every republican ever. "Say, I did some research and I have the answer to that* riddle. ------ Its every Democrat ever."
*
every republican ever got up, stomped over to every other republican ever, and angrily yelled into his face,
"No you idiot! Its Tony Blair!"
Not a picture, but still funny.
Or, for accuracy:
The Queen's Riddle
*
Barack Obama met with the Queen of England (and Scotland and Wales and Canada and Australia and...).
He asked her, "Your Majesty, how do you run such an efficient government?
Are there any tips you can give to me?"
*
"I have no idea," said the Queen, "it's fuck all to do with me."
Or, for accuracy:
The Queen's Riddle
*
Barack Obama met with the Queen of England (and Scotland and Wales and Canada and Australia and...).
He asked her, "Your Majesty, how do you run such an efficient government?
Are there any tips you can give to me?"
*
"We have no idea," said the Queen, "it's fuck all to do with us."
Please, Her Majesty uses the royal plural.
no real interest in reading all that crap in the pitchurs thread. can you do it again with an image(s)?
Not a picture, but still funny...
No it's not...
Yes it is.
Yes it is.
No it isn't infinity.
It is funny and your R version is too. Hell, insert pretty much whatever group of leaders you want - It will still be funny. Now post a damn pic!
No it isn't infinity.
Yes it is infinity...
times infinity.
Plus a monkey.
Har! Classic, that's great.
I don't understand that cartoon. Where's the joke/statement? Sure, I know about him strapping his dog to the roof of his car. And I know about Romney implementing a health care program in Mass. and Obama largely copied it for Obama care, and now Romney is changing his tune and criticizing Obamacare.
But what's the joke in the cartoon? Are liberals complaining about Romneycare? (I don't think so.)
Now that I think about it, I think the joke must be that Romney's treatment of Obamacare, which is similar to Romneycare, is a lot like his treatment of his dog years ago, and liberals don't like the hypocrisy, but they are just liberals, so ha ha.
It's a weak cartoon, but it gives the cartoonist a chance to remind everyone of Romney strapping a dog to the roof, and I think that was the main point of it. Which is kind of lame for a cartoon.
Now I'm tempted to just delete this post instead of posting it, but what the hell. *shrug*
Relatable Romney
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Mind you, I still like him better than any other president you've had in my lifetime.
Over 80% of Gen Xers said they believed in God in 1995? I call bullshit.
The thing is, Millenials are currently at The Age where you freely and defiantly admit you don't believe in God. Then you fall in love, and you think you might even wanna get married to this person, but maybe he/she believes, or is less certain than you are at any rate, so okay, everyone makes compromises for love and you still don't believe but you just sort of keep quiet about it because you now realize there are some good people like your sweetheart out there who believe, not just the raving fundamentalists, and you aren't as desperate to offend people and "shake up the status quo" as you were in college. And then you have kids, and you are struck with the terror of having to teach this tiny creature all it will know about morality, and you are filled with guilt over your own immoral decisions in life and don't feel up to the task of being the world's biggest hypocrite, so the two of you kind of drift back to the church together, even though neither of you had gone for a decade except when you were visiting the believing spouse's family. You're trepidatious, but it turns out your spouse is the rule rather than the exception, most of the younger people you come across in these churches you visit are perfectly nice, reasonable people who believe in evolution and don't have strictly predictable politics. And all of a sudden, you're in your 40s and when the pollster calls and asks if you believe in some form of God you find yourself saying, "yes," and you chuckle at what the 20-year-old you would have thought of the person you've become. And then suddenly you're 60 and you find that the world has changed, and what you thought were perfectly progressive beliefs you held are now staunch conservatism, and you find yourself to now be rather sure there's something, some meaning to all this, because you've lived out the idea for so long it's second nature, and your impending mortality is on your mind and you don't want to be terrified about what's coming next, and your 20-something grandson is busy throwing his ragingly "liberal" politics in your face, things you can't even imagine being reasonable today, and rolling his eyes at your spirituality and shaking up that old status quo... and you just sit back and smile and know he'll get his in the end.
Bravo!
I'm glad you didn't delete that post after composing it.
Over 80% of Gen Xers said they believed in God in 1995? I call bullshit.
The thing is, Millenials are currently at The Age where you freely and defiantly admit you don't believe in God. Then you fall in love, and you think you might even wanna get married to this person, but maybe he/she believes, or is less certain than you are at any rate, so okay, everyone makes compromises for love and you still don't believe but you just sort of keep quiet about it because you now realize there are some good people like your sweetheart out there who believe, not just the raving fundamentalists, and you aren't as desperate to offend people and "shake up the status quo" as you were in college. And then you have kids, and you are struck with the terror of having to teach this tiny creature all it will know about morality, and you are filled with guilt over your own immoral decisions in life and don't feel up to the task of being the world's biggest hypocrite, so the two of you kind of drift back to the church together, even though neither of you had gone for a decade except when you were visiting the believing spouse's family. You're trepidatious, but it turns out your spouse is the rule rather than the exception, most of the younger people you come across in these churches you visit are perfectly nice, reasonable people who believe in evolution and don't have strictly predictable politics. And all of a sudden, you're in your 40s and when the pollster calls and asks if you believe in some form of God you find yourself saying, "yes," and you chuckle at what the 20-year-old you would have thought of the person you've become. And then suddenly you're 60 and you find that the world has changed, and what you thought were perfectly progressive beliefs you held are now staunch conservatism, and you find yourself to now be rather sure there's something, some meaning to all this, because you've lived out the idea for so long it's second nature, and your impending mortality is on your mind and you don't want to be terrified about what's coming next, and your 20-something grandson is busy throwing his ragingly "liberal" politics in your face, things you can't even imagine being reasonable today, and rolling his eyes at your spirituality and shaking up that old status quo... and you just sit back and smile and know he'll get his in the end.
This all makes sense, the way you've described it. Doesn't sound so bad...on the surface.
But, something is bothering me, I can't help but notice. Isn't this a list full of crippling compromises? A tale of avoiding hard work and tough decisions, following the path of least resistance, and practicing intellectual weakness as a way of life?
The typical 20 year-old never learned moderation--instead they extinguished their entire value system--throwing out the baby with the bathwater. And instead of developing a workable system preserving their fundamental beliefs, they just bought into the received wisdom of a quick-fix society. The 40 year-old self was too busy to bother wrestling with difficult questions and decisions. The inertia of an object at rest was too overpowering--the complacency of a leisurely lifestyle was too tempting. Shouldn't the 60 year-old, with the wisdom of old age, be ashamed that they helped perpetuate a senseless institution of followers following followers? But, instead of slowly sliding the barrel of a gun into their mouth, they moronically chuckle to themselves and their total lack of human achievement. This story actually makes me sick to my stomach.
I guess you could say I have strong feelings about this.
I am staunchly conservative and fundamentalist about a great deal of things that are wrong with "society today" --so you'd think I'd buy into the value of an established morality superstructure. But I can't do it. It rubs me so hard the wrong way that I can't force myself to swallow that pill.
This all makes sense, the way you've described it. Doesn't sound so bad...on the surface.
But, something is bothering me, I can't help but notice. Isn't this a list full of crippling compromises? A tale of avoiding hard work and tough decisions, following the path of least resistance, and practicing intellectual weakness as a way of life?
The typical 20 year-old never learned moderation--instead they extinguished their entire value system--throwing out the baby with the bathwater. And instead of developing a workable system preserving their fundamental beliefs, they just bought into the received wisdom of a quick-fix society. The 40 year-old self was too busy to bother wrestling with difficult questions and decisions. The inertia of an object at rest was too overpowering--the complacency of a leisurely lifestyle was too tempting. Shouldn't the 60 year-old, with the wisdom of old age, be ashamed that they helped perpetuate a senseless institution of followers following followers? But, instead of slowly sliding the barrel of a gun into their mouth, they moronically chuckle to themselves and their total lack of human achievement. This story actually makes me sick to my stomach.
I guess you could say I have strong feelings about this.
Yup. Me too. Unless, she was referring to this with the 'he'll get his in the end' .
As an atheist, I dont ever see myself sucking it in and pretending to believe just to be part of the group. Yes I keep my mouth shut when in the company of believers....but thats just to keep the peace. And for one, I dont think they are ready for my world view. If they arent inquisitve enough to question their religion and the history of religion, then theres no point in me discussing it with them anyway.
Funny, my Brother went the other way. he was an atheist from being a teenager, but when he had kids he became much more militant in his atheism. It all mattered much more. My SiL was raised catholic, and it's possible she might harbour some sort of belief, but she's never been a proponent of it with the kids. Both my brother and my SiL were delighted when the eldest did a satirical picture as her project in Religious Education (a compulsory subject in state schools would you believe?)
[eta] there's probably a lot less social pressure over here to be a believer though. Unless you're from a churchgoing family. And that's about slipping back to a belief system which was fairly thoroughly planted in the psyche and even when apparently despatched leaves an imprint.
Yup. Me too. Unless, she was referring to this with the 'he'll get his in the end' .
Actually I misread that to say "he'll
get it in the end" i.e. once he has sold out and betrayed his beliefs, coasted along in the comfort zone for a few decades, he'll realize that playing it safe was the right choice. This would be the 'put a gun in your mouth' moment, if it had said what I read it as.
What it actually says, I'm not sure I understand. He'll get his what--his own grandson bothering him with radical ideas in 40 years?
Funny, my Brother went the other way. he was an atheist from being a teenager, but when he had kids he became much more militant in his atheism. It all mattered much more.
This. In the narrative we are referring to, once marriage is considered--I don't understand how entering into the most vital and central contract of your life would seem to be a great opportunity to make what you know to be an incorrect decision, and for all the wrong reasons. I understand this 1000% less when considering raising children. The only lasting effect you're likely to ever have on human culture and it prompts you to make a completely fear-based decision--play it safe instead of taking a stand for anything you've ever considered to be important. This is cowardly!
This bothers me intensely because I feel that the narrative laid out here is quite commonly accepted by many basically good people.
Flint, I'm with you. Sliding into a make believe game is at best lazy and at worst cowardly. You CAN be moral and good without being bullied into it by an imaginary friend. In fact, reviewing world history, there seems to be very little correlation between religion and goodness.
Given I am not a parent, I can only try toimagine how I'd be were i to become one. But I am as sure as I can be without actually going through it, that any doubts I had about being able to teach my child morals would not lead me to want someone to fill their heads with falsehoods.
Flint, I'm with you. Sliding into a make believe game is at best lazy and at worst cowardly. You CAN be moral and good without being bullied into it by an imaginary friend. In fact, reviewing world history, there seems to be very little correlation between religion and goodness.
And if there were no religion, all we would have left would be:
the Home Shopping Network
Cute, but that idea doesnt support a belief in god. The belief in a god(s) began from a primitive mind that didnt understand its enviroment. To still base a religion on that today is really silly.
Like still believing in Santa Claus.
Dang, and here I was hoping to convert millions of atheists with a single recycled image.
Stop taking shit so serious.
Please.
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I could say the same thing to you. You are taking my response to your post pretty seriously...over-sensitively, in fact.
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Thats just one of my hot buttons Grave.
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I could say the same thing to you. You are taking my response to your post pretty seriously...over-sensitively, in fact.
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Thats just one of my hot buttons Grave.
My mistake.
Warning: Step back and keep away from the buttons...
Isn't this a list full of crippling compromises?
Of course it is. That's what people do. The fact that the average person's actions make you want to put a gun in your mouth should not be news to anyone. :)
I understand the point both of you are making, Flint and Zen ... I'm trying to reconcile the trashing of all the principles I lived by for so many years, and not managing very well. I didn't let go of what I firmly believed to be right, and I almost got myself and my kids killed for it. I stuck it out for more years than should ever have happened ... and in the end, now that I'm out, I don't know anymore that objective truths exist. Or that anything, or anyOne, objective, exists. I think it makes inherent sense that this should be, yet my experience denies it. I'm left floating in philosophical, religious, and ethical limbo.
I'm not talking about formal religion. I think human beings corrupt that to the point that, if anything Objective exists beyond us, it must cause the Objective to throw his/her/its hands up in despair. I'm just talking about whether it's even possible to live by principle, or whether, when the chips are down, principle is the first thing that kills ...
Of course it is. That's what people do.
You've laid it out quite elegantly...but despite how harmless it sounds, some of us just aren't capable of doing that. Maybe we're stubborn and misguided, maybe we're idealistic visionaries. Who knows what the "right way" to live is. Some people can stomach "fitting in" and some can't.
We all make compromises in life. But we are all different in which compromises we are and are not prepared to make.
Of course it is. That's what people do. The fact that the average person's actions make you want to put a gun in your mouth should not be news to anyone. :)
Imma steal this.
You've laid it out quite elegantly...but despite how harmless it sounds, some of us just aren't capable of doing that. Maybe we're stubborn and misguided, maybe we're idealistic visionaries. Who knows what the "right way" to live is. Some people can stomach "fitting in" and some can't.
Some of us do enjoy running into brick walls our whole life and that turns out to be good for society.
I understand the point both of you are making, Flint and Zen ... I'm trying to reconcile the trashing of all the principles I lived by for so many years, and not managing very well. I didn't let go of what I firmly believed to be right, and I almost got myself and my kids killed for it. I stuck it out for more years than should ever have happened ...
Forgive me for offering unsolicited psychological speculation, but this ...
and in the end, now that I'm out, I don't know anymore that objective truths exist. Or that anything, or anyOne, objective, exists. I think it makes inherent sense that this should be, yet my experience denies it. I'm left floating in philosophical, religious, and ethical limbo.
... reminds me a lot of the behaviour of a person I knew who had formally diagnosed PTSD from a psychologically abusive relationship.
After having your narrative about reality so messed with, after a while you begin to doubt your own connection to it. Writing and occasionally rereading a journal is supposed to help. Repeated affirmations.
And frankly, being a bit of an ornery bitch and not allowing ANYONE to bullshit you, seems to be part of the process.
I'm not talking about formal religion. I think human beings corrupt that to the point that, if anything Objective exists beyond us, it must cause the Objective to throw his/her/its hands up in despair. I'm just talking about whether it's even possible to live by principle, or whether, when the chips are down, principle is the first thing that kills ...
Philosophically, I am convinced that there is an objective reality independent of human existence or thought, and that our senses and science at least approaches knowing some of this.
I'm very doubtful about this having any kind of consciousness or unified thought.
But that's not what you're focusing on.
Compromises Vs Principle is a heck of a tricky issue. Maintain core values, but don't be a jerk about little things, is my best guess.
(Philosophically, I focused on metaphysics, epistemology and phil of mind - not ethics and such. Shows, don't it? ;) )
The emotional roller coaster over a bed of eggshells that was life with j left me doubting my sanity and grip on reality. Because the ground is constantly shifting, explosions come from nowhere and your own reality and understanding of events is denied, revised, rewritten or even reversed by the other constantly.
Yeah, that's it ...
... but WTF are we doing in the funny political pictures thread??? :lol:
The emotional roller coaster over a bed of eggshells that was life with j left me doubting my sanity and grip on reality. Because the ground is constantly shifting, explosions come from nowhere and your own reality and understanding of events is denied, revised, rewritten or even reversed by the other constantly.
Yep, that's it, pretty much. Living in constant fear, trying to anticipate and forestall rages and verbal assaults, ignoring death threats so as to keep functioning but then finding myself unable to sleep for years ... and having everything I believed to be right and true turned upside down and jettisoned in favor of survival.
I know these things have affected me, Zen. Doing better, these days. Still working on becoming a bit of an ornery bitch who doesn't tolerate bullshit!
Wow, major thread hijack! And now, we return you to your regularly scheduled programming ...
Forgive me for offering unsolicited psychological speculation, but this ..... reminds me a lot of the behaviour of a person I knew who had formally diagnosed PTSD from a psychologically abusive relationship.
After having your narrative about reality so messed with, after a while you begin to doubt your own connection to it.
Compromises Vs Principle is a heck of a tricky issue. Maintain core values, but don't be a jerk about little things, is my best guess.
(Philosophically, I focused on metaphysics, epistemology and phil of mind - not ethics and such. Shows, don't it? ;) )
Yep; agree; and, yes, it shows ;)
I've avoided even thinking, much less talking, in philosophical terms for a number of years - but it's nice to watch from the sidelines. Maybe that's progress of a sort.
When I saw that cartoon, it made me wonder how many of them were in states that permitted concealed carry (
Colorado does, and has "stand your ground" as well).
Hey! Remember Lookout in the Subway?
Ok, perp had a bat, not a gatt, but I'm still counting it as a case of armed-citizen-preventing-violent-crime.
Those kind of events don't fit the narrative and lack a body count for the press, so they may as well have never happened.
Who's the artist for that first one? That caricature looks nothing like Obama.
Well...it's more or less the right colour...
That and the ears are about all he got right...
I agree. Could be any faceless corporate type dude.
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This is the best political cartoon in ages.
[eta] meant to show the Romney - Obama speech bubble cartoon :P
Just an aside to those of you debating the whole "god thing" as it were,
All of you seem to be fairly intelligent (even Zengum) yet you are engaging in a debate about god without ever agreeing on a definition of god.
That seems stupid and pointless to me.
How do you define god? <-- see my new thread, coming soon to a forum near you.
He should probably be a bit more specific...
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We have one of those "My-business" sign-guys in our town
... a computer repair store run by "Kevin, the Geek"
It hasn't dawned on him yet that his entire livelihood is based on the development of the transistor.
Ummm.... I don't think Kevin invented the transistor... at least not all by himself.
Didn't Bell Labs (RIP) invent the transistor?
The left exaggerates the value of government and the right minimizes it, but both use its violence for their parochial goals.
Every human who ever sees that sign knows what Mr. Gaster meant.
"I don't like Obama".
That's pretty much all it meant.
"I've got so much work that I can afford to turn 50% of my potential customers away."
Every human who ever sees that sign knows what Mr. Gaster meant.
I think it's quite amazing how the Republicans (and/or Right) can come up with short phrases that define their point of view.
The Democrats (and/or) the Left get all involved in explaining why that phrase is misleading or wrong.
The Dem's haven't learned yet that if you have to explain it (a joke)... it ain't funny.
... See there, I just did it too. ;)
"I've got so much work that I can afford to turn 50% of my potential customers away."
You would think so, but if you look at the picture, he in a fairly rural area, so most people there will be conservative. Also, he's in the building supply industry, and from what I've gathered visiting bulletin boards for home builders, they tend to be more conservative than your average person.
I'd bet that his customers closely mirror the Chick-Fil-A demographic. He's probably only turning away about 10-20% of his customers, and he might be attracting an equal number of new customers.
I suspect you're probably right Glatt.
Every human who ever sees that sign knows what Mr. Gaster meant.
Only the ones who learned how to read.
Guess they all taught themselves, eh? ;)
He's probably only turning away about 10-20% of his customers, and he might be attracting an equal number of new customers.
His customer's may not have convenient alternatives, and probably are more concerned with price than his politics.
Oh, and probably much of that lumber he's selling was cut on government land.
The only thing it would tell me, as I drive by, is that the man who owns the lumber yard was not competent enough to run a tape measure in between those two poles, and order a sign that fits the space. That, and he didn't realize the tiny script would be illegible from the road. Total miss.
Only the ones who learned how to read.
Guess they all taught themselves, eh? ;)
Did you know people can be taught to read by their parents? A lot of things that the left attributes to government are simply appropriations of existing machinery. Yes, we have to have government schools to produce wage slaves for our corporate masters, but do we need them for humanity? (only half kidding)
That kind of depends how good a teacher the parent is. Somewhat devalues what can be quite a difficult skill. Teachers may be people with natural aptitude for teaching, but they still had to learn how to do it effectively. Not all parents can teach. Not all parents will teach. Nations do not reach 100 % (or nearto) literacy rates by leaving it to parental efforts. Not all children will be taught if governments don't force the issue in some way.
And another thing about Ray Guster, I guarantee his store is
LOADED with tools and parts made in China. 100% guarantee it.
That kind of depends how good a teacher the parent is. Somewhat devalues what can be quite a difficult skill. Teachers may be people with natural aptitude for teaching, but they still had to learn how to do it effectively. Not all parents can teach. Not all parents will teach. Nations do not reach 100 % (or nearto) literacy rates by leaving it to parental efforts. Not all children will be taught if governments don't force the issue in some way.
It's amazing that human beings managed to survive as a species all the way up to the mid 1800's when formal schooling became popular.
It's amazing that human beings managed to survive as a species all the way up to the mid 1800's when formal schooling became popular.
What's survival got to do with anything? I was talking about literacy and education. Plenty of people around the world survive just fine without either. Not sure I'd want that life for myself or any child I cared about.
And another thing about Ray Guster, I guarantee his store is LOADED with tools and parts made in China. 100% guarantee it.
It's amazing that human beings managed to survive as a species all the way up to the mid 1800's when formal schooling became popular.
The 1% have always managed to do better. ;)
You just have to choose your parents wisely.
What's survival got to do with anything? I was talking about literacy and education. Plenty of people around the world survive just fine without either. Not sure I'd want that life for myself or any child I cared about.
I'm saying, for between 50,000 and 200,000 years, we've been learning from non-professional teachers. If they are as ineffective as you suggest, the species wouldn't have lived long enough to be blessed with modern "education."
All depends on what is being taught and in what context. I was talking about reading. As a specific skill, reading isn't always something that can be taught by watching and copying, which is how most pre-industrial skills were taught.
All parents teach their children. However. Not all the things the children learn are what the parents intended for them to learn. And OF COURSE parents play a major role in a child's literacy. It can be done without the parents and it can be done without professional teachers, sure. But it can be done better, much better with both of them supporting and reinforcing the work of the other.
As for history, yes, there have been countless generations that have grown from childhood to adulthood without the benefit of professional teachers. Today, here, literacy is infinitely more important than it was hundreds of years ago. I don't think it's a fair comparison. As you point out Dana, there are many many children today who are illiterate or barely literate. Like you, I would not want that for my children or the children around me. In my "world", literacy counts. Our society has a stake in the education of our children. It is that stake that makes it worthwhile for public teachers and free schooling.
Well said V.
Looking back at the last 1000 years or so of history, I see those who cannot read at the mercy of those who can far more often than the other way around. Withotu the ability to read we are dependent upon those who can to interpret and filter through laws, holy texts, scientific ideas, political events etc.
Being unable to read, and to a slightly lesser extent, being unable to write, is a handicap in the world we live in. 20,000 years ago, it wasn't. 20,000 years ago being able to move quietly through the undergrowth was a much more useful skill. But the teaching of that is a whole other matter. Most of what we needed to learn then as humans could be learned pretty much by osmosis. Parents would show and guide, and by doing the children would learn.
Parents continue to show and guide children how to live and how to do the tasks they will need to do in their lives, but many of the skills we've developed as a species require a different kind of learning and a different kind of teaching. Hence the development of teaching specific professions. Which predate the more modern desire for comprehensively educated workers by many centuries.
[eta] there seems to be a tendency in both our cultures to devalue teaching as a profession and view it almost as a form of enhanced babysitting. There's also a tendency to devalue parenting and see it as 'natural'and instinctive and therefore unskilled. It is the devaluing of parenting that leads to the devaluing of teaching. At its core it is a devaluing of the act of raising children. Most probably because that has traditionally been seen as a female role. The level of respect shown to teachers in society seems to reduce the closer to infancy the children they teach sit.
Hence the development of teaching specific professions. Which predate the more modern desire for comprehensively educated workers by many centuries.
The profession predates government involvement by many centuries. The "modern desire" aligns quite nicely with government involvement.
Well, yes. Because in order to effect mass education of the entire nation government is generally required to be involved.
I think it's really easy for us to question the necessity of mass education. But I also think it is important to remember that this was not simply imposed onto us from above. It is something which had to be fought for. The need for an educated workforce and the need for literacy as a life skill came before any serious government involvement. And when that involvement began it was highly controversial.
Speaking just for Britain, as I am less familiar with what was happening over in America at this time, the early moves to ensure educational opportunity to poorer families (education, incidently, being one of the areas that Adam Smith suggested was an appropriate place for government intervention and even if necessary provision) were something opposed by many on the right as being unnecessary, and likely to make for an unhappier (less obedient) and less settled workforce.
Polemic battles were fought against acts requiring parishes to ensure some sort of education provision was made available. Reading, it was suggested, bred insurrection and unhappiness in the lower orders. What need had they for such things? Theirs was not a world of literature, but of looms, ploughs, hammers and nails.
I have a lot of problems with the education system as it is. The idea of a massified and uniform approach to something as fluid and invidual as learning seems clunky and inadequate. And the insistence on attendance, coupled with sanctions against children and parents for non-compliance seems heavy handed. A one size fits all system is never going to answer the whole question of teaching and learning.
But. Wherever education is left to the private sector it fails or completely barrs the lowest economic strata. Where education is not mandated, gender inequality becomes much greater. It was only in my mother's generation that if a family had enough money to send one child to college and university they'd almost always choose the son, because girls left work when they got married. Without mandated education families forced to choose which children were educated would make a calculation based on many such factors. Such is the way of it in some countries now.
Parents are just people. They know their individual child better than anyone. But they are no more or less likely to make good decisions than anybody else.
I have a lot of problems with the education system as it is. The idea of a massified and uniform approach to something as fluid and invidual as learning seems clunky and inadequate. And the insistence on attendance, coupled with sanctions against children and parents for non-compliance seems heavy handed. A one size fits all system is never going to answer the whole question of teaching and learning.
But. Wherever education is left to the private sector it fails or completely barrs the lowest economic strata. Where education is not mandated, gender inequality becomes much greater. It was only in my mother's generation that if a family had enough money to send one child to college and university they'd almost always choose the son, because girls left work when they got married. Without mandated education families forced to choose which children were educated would make a calculation based on many such factors. Such is the way of it in some countries now.
Heartily agree.
Parents are just people. They know their individual child better than anyone. But they are no more or less likely to make good decisions than anybody else.
Heartily disagree. The say 10-20% of children our system fails today have those parents but they rest do not. Those kids were uneducated before and remain uneducated. Public ed gives them the opportunity but few take it.
The system as it is is inadequate for the needs of modern society. Its inflexibility is increasing at just the wrong time. I am in no way arguing for less funding, but I am arguing for more of an open system with more choice.
The system as it is is inadequate for the needs of modern society. Its inflexibility is increasing at just the wrong time. I am in no way arguing for less funding, but I am arguing for more of an open system with more choice.
What good is more choice? How to separate the failing schools from the better ones? Almost every time, the schools with the greatest problems have the most empty parking spaces on Parents-Teacher night.
85% of all problems are, without doubt, directly traceable to top management. That is the parents.
You can often predict the problem students. Observe their parents. Attitude and knowledge comes from top management.
More choice allows the good students not to be saddled with policies targeted at the bad students. I did not, for example, need seminar after seminar on not using drugs, staying out of gangs, and avoiding pregnancy. On the flip side, many of the students in my school did not have any use for calculus, and could have done much better in a school that provided them with realistic vocational skills. When kids are taught things that actually apply to them, sometimes they even pay attention.
The difficulty comes with how that choice is made and by whom. There's a lot of talk over here about increasing vocational courses for students who are not academically suited or driven. The problem is that translates to certain schools specialising in vocational skills. In reality that means that children in one area are being streamed towards academic subjects and children in another area to vocational subjects.
I'll leave you to guess what demographic the academic schools serve and which the vocational.
The ones who want the best chance at a good career for life, with high pay and remarkable chance at advancement? Vocational.
Maybe your vocational courses are different to ours. Ours seem more focused on filtering kids through to be plumbers and hairdressers.
Nowt wrong with that of course. But it should be based on who wants and can do what, not on where someone lives and whether the powers that be have decided they are likely to want academic education.
One of the problems as I see it is this: all the ideas about increasing choice and not foisting academia onto kids who won't get anything from it, and recognising the value of vocational skills and other types of intelligence, sound great until they get filtered through the system. At which point they stream kids from the middle class towards academic subjects, leading to college, university and an entry point to high skilled professions, and working-class kids towards vocational subjects which will be best suited to producing good plumbers, builders, electricians and factory workers.
Again, nowt wrong with any of those jobs, and nowt wrong with kids choosing to go down that path. But there is something wrong, in my opinion, in choosing for them to not experience those things based on assumptions made by other people about their aptitude.
Even when it isn't so blatantly class based as a system, and the choice is genuinely made by the child...parents influence that choice. And if parents don't value academic pursuits then what chance the child will either value those things, or if they do, successfully go against their family culture in order to follow them?
State schools get a ot of stuff wrong. And no doubt with massified schooling in the west a large part of school structure is centred around getting kids out from under their parents' feet so they can work, whilst shaping a future workforce. But...I suspect most people got their first introduction to many wonderful things through school as well. I have a literate family who value academic pursuits, but it was my secondary school lit classes that introduced me to the poems of Wilfred Owen. The one and only time I ever went to see ballet it was with my school.
I got to do all sorts of things through my secondary school that I just never would have done otherwise. Now, I don't much like ballet. But I know that I don't like it based on having seen it. I also know that I really like the poems of Wilfred Owen and also Philip Larkin.
Around here there is some competition to get those vocational slots and plumbers make Wall Street money.
Griff has my point.
And I forgot that I moved this thread to Politics and therefore I must depart.
Oh I got the point. I just think there are dangers in streaming kids to or away from academic subjects, particularly when that in practice falls along class lines.
Oh I got the point. I just think there are dangers in streaming kids to or away from academic subjects, particularly when that in practice falls along class lines.
I'm going to broaden this a bit (and go on a tangent), but I feel this is one the big questions our countries need to ask ourselves when it comes to education.
I have gotten the opportunity to work with many people from around the world and one of my favorite discussion topics is the differences in our country's educational philosophies and the positive and negative aspects of each. Besides learning that there is no perfect system, it seems that we will need to choose a philosophy and the consequences that go with them instead of the "best of both worlds" approach we (the US, not sure about Britain) does now.
For example, the countries that produce the best math students (Russia, Iran, many parts of Europe) separate kids from a young age. The ones that show high math potential are put into a very rigorous program that blows our American schools out of the water (calculus by freshman year high school). If you do not show high math or school potential, you are usually put into an army or blue collar path. And yes, these many times do fall within class lines.
While I agree that pushing kids into career paths at a young age creates a lot of problems, I believe our current system creates even more. We try so hard to keep everyone equal, forgetting that everyone is good at different things, and hold everyone back. On top of that, we make it worse by adopting the bullshit idea that standardized tests have some correlation with education. This is the main reason why I believe our country (US) is so far behind at the high school education level. We hold back everyone in subjects they are good at and then attempt to teach them skills that have no applicability to our economic future. Many people have realized these problems, hence the increase in vocational schools.
This then leads to the question, if we are going to implement this philosophy of separate paths, how do we do it in an "ethical and practical" way? Should we let the private sector deal with the specialized paths, causing potential inequality? Do we implement this philosophy into our public schools? This may work for suburban and maybe urban schools but it will fail miserably for rural schools. Do we completely change the style of learning which promotes problem solving and not memorization (we need to do this anyways) since it applies to almost all future economic sectors? Good in theory but I'm not sure about practice.
I don't have an answer but these are questions I'm asking myself when it comes to this topic. I believe problems in the American education system are more cultural than institutional. We need to stop believing that every child has equal learning potential for every topic.
That may be a factor in their success. Also a factor is, I think, the level of respect and cultural capital held by teachers in those countries. Teachers in our two cultures are not respected. They are paid very low when the level of education and qualification are taken into account. They appear in popular culture on a demonised and scapegoated manner and are the butt of derisive humour and mistrust.
We don't actually value schooling in its own right and teaching at anything below degree level is denigrated as crowd control or babysitting.
I agree that is a problem but I would think that is a reaction to larger issues?
One reason teachers will never be highly paid or respected in our societies is that we value economic output over investment. We want the "best" financial bankers, doctors, and engineers, not teachers. Teachers don't immediately produce anything. However, I don't feel this the main reason. I feel people push all their frustrations of our educational systems on teachers (justified or not) since they are easiest to blame. A better functioning educational system would lead to more respected teachers.
This also brings up the question of whether our educational system is bad because our best potential teachers don't become teachers? While better teachers could do a much better job at teaching, even under the current constraining conditions, I think culture is a bigger problem. In a better culture, I believe our current teachers could become much more efficient.
That may be a factor in their success. Also a factor is, I think, the level of respect and cultural capital held by teachers in those countries. Teachers in our two cultures are not respected. They are paid very low when the level of education and qualification are taken into account. They appear in popular culture on a demonised and scapegoated manner and are the butt of derisive humour and mistrust.
We don't actually value schooling in its own right and teaching at anything below degree level is denigrated as crowd control or babysitting.
Reading? Writing? Just drag them down to the charcoal plant and show them what to do for the rest of their life.
I just heard this on the radio:
"There are 26,000 homeless students in the Washington State education system. Two-thirds of them live in urban counties and one-third in the rural parts of the state."
In no way have I changed my mind about the importance of the parents' role in the education and literacy of a child, but this story does show that there really are more important things than teaching one's children reading and writing. Like, where will we sleep tonight and where will we go to the bathroom or shower? What about food?
One reason teachers will never be highly paid or respected in our societies is that we value economic output over investment.
So what chanaged? The same thing that changed even in the Bell Labs. For example, why do we have communication satellites (ie Telstar), transistors, fiber optics, lasers, digital communication, mobile phones, the C programming language and its many variants, talking machines, fundamental knowledge of the entire universe, and Unix (now called Linux)? In every case, nobody in the Labs was concerned with results. Therefore the results were massive.
Why did he create the Unix operating system? Because he wanted to play computer chess. Anyone with a business school mentality would have said no. Anyone who understands innovation knows why business school concepts stifle innovation and productivity.
Largest reason for quitting teachers is no satisfaction. Not due to class sized or other popular speculation Part is directly traceable to management who only permits what they regard as results. What is the trophy for this? George Jr's "More Children Left Behind" laws. Laws that, for example, have caused many schools to cut back on science. A perfect example of what any business school graduate would think was good. And yes, George Jr was a business school graduate.
Currently, only something like 25% of all teachers in middle school math and science have math and science training. That's correct. Most teachers were first learning that math or science from the text book. Even worse, the 25% that do have math and science training come from the lowest rated schools.
No problem. That cuts costs. On spread sheets, things such as knowledge, background, and purpose cannot be measured. And again, the "No child left behind laws" have simply forced schools to spend more money on reading and math. But then science only confuses us with realities such as global warming and quantum physics. We don't need to waste money on things that cannot be measured and that are confusing.
Some states do rate highly on the world scale including MN and MA.
We all saw the destruction of the Bell Labs when work was limited to things that could only have obvious results. Not in fundamental research. Not in learning things that management types could not understand. And definitely, we do not want researchers wasting time developing computer chess.
Who promoted Carly Fiorina? The same management that destroyed innovation in the Labs. Those same types now run or attack our education systems that once worked so much better.
Respect has something to do with it. After all, respect and the resulting job satisfaction is not found on spread sheets. Especially when it takes ten years to measure results. How curious. Management in industries that measure results annually also destroyed those companies. So we will fix the system by measuring education by the same spread sheet mentality? Respect is not important. It cannot be measured. So it is not important.
To add to BigV's point - something liek 40% of American kids now life in homes defined as poverty. Trickle down economics worked real good - to enrich those who do not innovate and do not have kids.
Currently, only something like 25% of all teachers in middle school math and science have math and science training. That's correct. Most teachers were first learning that math or science from the text book. Even worse, the 25% that do have math and science training come from the lowest rated schools.
What does "training" mean?
If my kid is in middle school and is being taught algebra, I want the teacher to understand algebra really well. I don't care much if the teacher has a detailed understanding of calculus. The teacher doesn't need a doctorate in mathematics to teach algebra. In fact, if a teacher has an advanced degree in mathematics, I'd be worried that they would have their head in the clouds and would have a hard time getting down on the same level as the kids to really get them excited about algebra.
If you're saying that middle school math teachers don't even know algebra, then I would share your horror of the situation, but if a middle school teacher doesn't know calculus, then I don't really care.
So what chanaged? The same thing that changed even in the Bell Labs. For example, why do we have communication satellites (ie Telstar), transistors, fiber optics, lasers, digital communication, mobile phones, the C programming language and its many variants, talking machines, fundamental knowledge of the entire universe, and Unix (now called Linux)? In every case, nobody in the Labs was concerned with results. Therefore the results were massive.
You are hitting a different point than what I was getting at but I agree.
American schools need to dump the idea that standardized tests mean anything. We should still take them, to see what schools are failing at teaching basic skills, but realize that good test scores don't have any applicability to the working world.
The US economy is moving away from menial tasks so therefore it is even more important to produce confident, innovative students. Teaching to standardized tests does the opposite. That is why many companies don't want to hire the 4.0 Chinese student (to be stereotypical). They are insanely good at problems they have been taught to solve but tend to choke up on problems that don't have a right or wrong answer.
That may be a factor in their success. Also a factor is, I think, the level of respect and cultural capital held by teachers in those countries. Teachers in our two cultures are not respected. They are paid very low when the level of education and qualification are taken into account. They appear in popular culture on a demonised and scapegoated manner and are the butt of derisive humour and mistrust.
We don't actually value schooling in its own right and teaching at anything below degree level is denigrated as crowd control or babysitting.
Did I miss your point?
I don't know...did you?
:p
Not quite sure what you mean Pierce.
You re-posted your initial post in response to my response to your post. I assumed you did it because I missed something.
Is that bad grammar?:D
I didn't even notice that. I have no idea how that happened. I have absolutely no recollection of reposting that. I can only assume it was inadvertent.
If my kid is in middle school and is being taught algebra, I want the teacher to understand algebra really well.
If a teacher has no training in basic calculus or linear algebra, then he has no concept of why anything in algebra is important. Cannot stress what is significant. And probably has so little algebra experience as to not solve many of those algebra problems without the answer book. I could not think of a teacher most likely to make math boring, rote, and unnecessary. That is potentially about 75% of middle school math teachers.
The same teacher who hated math as a kid will inspire his student to excel in math? Hardly. I know almost no kids today taking math or science in college.
But again, curious are better science and math results from students in MA and MN.
Speaking of MA...
Being an underclassman will be a bit cooler this year at Sandwich High School, where all freshmen and sophomores will be issued iPads
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The school district has purchased 450 iPad 3s at $550 apiece for all the freshmen and sophomores and several staff members, Sandwich Superintendent Richard Canfield said.
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"This is the technology generation," Canfield said. "And their world of work will be driven so much by technology. So we saw this an opportunity."
Nationally, schools are swooping in to buy iPads because of the technological exposure it gives students, but also because buying a [COLOR="Red"]single textbook costs close to $100[/COLOR], Canfield said
A hundred dollars? I hope that's for the whole class.
moreunlikely.
I've read stories about our local public library which I love that is spending much money on electronic books. part of the high expense is because they're limited by the publishers to the number of times the e-book can be "checked out". now... you and I being reasonable and intelligent people understand that there's no wear and tear on an e-book. it's a copy. but the publishing / licensing agreements are written so that the e-books have approximately the same turnover as the hardcover books. that is, a limited number of checkouts before the library would have to replace the book due to wear and tear.
I understand the need for publishers to make money too. but this seems ridiculous.
Yeah, all kinds of horror stories online about e-books being yanked from people who bought them from Amazon and other sellers, thinking they owned them outright. The library thing is crazy too.
A hundred dollars? I hope that's for the whole class.
I had one of my flickr photos used in a textbook, and asked for a copy of the book as payment. I got paid well!
I graduated college almost 15 years ago. Back then I had one or two textbooks that broke the $100 mark. That's probably more common now.
Though I wouldn't think that middle/high school texts would be that expensive, even now.
...this seems ridiculous.
Not seems,
is.
The last semester I bought textbooks, all of them were well over $100. But it's true that science themed books have always been more expensive than other subjects.
Edit: I'm on my phone so pasting links is a pain in the ass, but you can search current textbook prices on Amazon. As far as I can tell, the ones aimed at younger kids are no cheaper than those for college students.
Frequent updating + multiple authors/editors + full colour diagrams + small print runs + you really need it = $$$$$$!!!!
Quite a few universities are exploring giving tablets* of some form or another to all first years, and going fully-electronic.
*sad sign of the times that this means computers and not drugs.
Wait a minute. Since when do high school students need to buy textbooks?
Maybe it's still the cost of the textbook but the district is paying for the book. I sure hope so.
The thing they don't mention is the ebook versions of the textbooks still cost something, on top of the cost of the iPads...
Why wouldn't every high school freshman use the same math book? well, not the same book, but a copy of the same book, that should make them cheaper than dirt.
Because if you expect them to be able to do homework, they have to be able to take the books home.
I graduated college almost 15 years ago. Back then I had one or two textbooks that broke the $100 mark. That's probably more common now.
Though I wouldn't think that middle/high school texts would be that expensive, even now.
The last semester I bought textbooks, all of them were well over $100. But it's true that science themed books have always been more expensive than other subjects.
In college, in 1979, I bought a text book for $62.00
Frequent updating + multiple authors/editors + full colour diagrams + small print runs + you really need it = $$$$$$!!!!
And when the professor writes the book, he has a financial interest. And when the professor updates the text every year, the student cannot buy used books.
Last semester, we rented books for my daughter in college.
Wait a minute. Since when do high school students need to buy textbooks?
Maybe it's still the cost of the textbook but the district is paying for the book. I sure hope so.
Yeah, I think the article was about the cost to the district.
Why wouldn't every high school freshman use the same math book? well, not the same book, but a copy of the same book, that should make them cheaper than dirt.
Because if you expect them to be able to do homework, they have to be able to take the books home.
My kids had their own "loaner" text, and one that stayed in the classroom. That way they didn't have to tote the heavy tomes back and forth.
Because if you expect them to be able to do homework, they have to be able to take the books home.
What's that got to do with all freshman using a copy of the same textbook?:confused:
Oh, you mean every freshman nationwide using the same title, so economies of scale come into play? That kind of happens already. The Texas education agency determines a small set of acceptable textbooks, sometimes only one in a topic. Because they represent such a huge market of buyers, they often literally get to dictate what goes in the books, because the publishers want to keep them happy. Then, after Texas goes through its major selection and editing process, many if not most smaller states are essentially forced to use the same books, either because their states aren't willing to spend the money examining the options, and figure that Texas must have done a good enough job at it already, or because it's the only book being published that year, thanks to Texas' buying power. It's been said that Texas and California choose the textbooks for the whole nation.
What harm could come of leaving national text book choice to a state where $60,000,000 seems like a reasonable expense for a high school football stadium?
What could POSSIBLY go wrong???
Oh, you mean every freshman nationwide using the same title, so economies of scale come into play?
Yes exactly, that should make them cheaper than dirt, not $100.
That kind of happens already. The Texas education agency determines a small set of acceptable textbooks, sometimes only one in a topic.
Yes, I've been reading some of the recent changes Texas has been making. :rolleyes:
What the bloody hell happened to this thread???
Needs more cowbell.
And more of this:
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Too bad it self-exploded.
I don't get that last one.
[eta] but love the ladyparts diagram lol
Ha! Neither did I, Dana..lol...thanks for speaking up.
The cliff makes me think "fiscal cliff", and the wheelchairs make me think healthcare. Obama/Biden is the presidential campaign (as opposed to other politics)....
I got nuthin.
If it's s'posed to be elderly-Obama/Biden, then it might be a reference to the fact that Ryan wants to privatize medicare and would be pushing seniors off a cliff?
I think it's like the 'The Old & Busted' vs. 'The New Hotness'-type thing.
"Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan" is an anagram of "My ultimate Ayn Rand porn".
Ryan sounds like Rain? nuttin here either
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The "1890 Manifesto", sometimes simply called "The Manifesto",
is a statement which officially disavowed the continuing practice of plural marriage
in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church).
Wikikpedia:
When Utah applied for statehood again, it was granted on January 4, 1896.
One of the conditions for granting Utah and other western territories statehood
was that a ban on polygamy be written into the state constitution.
Mitt Romney's maternal grandfather was a polygamous Mormon who fled the United States
with his children owing to the federal government's prosecution of polygamy.
George Romney's parents, Gaskell Romney (1871–1955) and Anna Amelia Pratt (1876–1926),
were American citizens [? and natives of the Territory of Utah.
They married in 1895 in Mexico and lived in Colonia Dublán in Galeana
in the state of Chihuahua (one of the Mormon colonies in Mexico),
where [Mitt's father] George Romney was born on July 8, 1907
The Mexican Revolution broke out in 1910 and the Mormon colonies
were endangered in 1911–1912 by raids from marauders.
The Romney family fled and moved into the United States in July 1912
Were Mitt Romney's ancestors actually American citizens ?
If not, the U.S. Boarder guards did not do their job
and Mitt Romney is really only an "anchor baby". :D
Someone please call out the BIRTHERS !
"Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan" is an anagram of "My ultimate Ayn Rand porn".
Impressive.
Some shennanigans from the Northern Territory (think Crocodile Dundee) election.
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The image, primarily about crime and/or healthcare (go figure) features an eye chart which reads " H E N D O [Cheif Minister Henderson] IS A J E R K G E T R I D OF HIM "
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"Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan" is an anagram of "My ultimate Ayn Rand porn".
I think Dan Brown's work is intellectually insubstantial, numerology and all that crap-ola. The you go and reveal something like this.
Great. Just when I thought it was safe to go back into the (political) water.
I agree with HM, very impressive.
bit of a cheap shot:
as dailykos' liveblog of the convention put it:
And no, it's not politically wise to feel yourself up on national TV.
maybe too true to be funny
maybe too true to be funny
That demands a new thread, comparable to Ombanation
Oh happy monkey. You make another monkey happy too! Good one! :lol:
I don't think they get it.
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video, not a picture, but
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I sure wanna get to know Rip Nomney! he's probably better than Mitt...
Oh happy monkey. You make another monkey happy too! Good one! :lol:
I don't think they get it.
Well, it made me smile.
;)
I wasn't sure how many had heard about the clint eastwood debacle.
Even I got it, down here in 19th Century Terra Australis.
Well that's just because y'all are so genteeeeeeeeel. ;)
The funny thing was that the repubs were mad at clint for his super bowl commercial for chrysler: they claimed it was Obama-nobbing and blatant democratic rhetoric. What????
Clint's a pub, dudes!
To channel my idol, tw: they'd rather chrysler was failing so there wouldn't be a commercial about any success in America during Obama's regime.
I don't think they get it.
It's called 'Eastwooding'.
On Wednesday I tried to explain to my nephew which parties in the American elections the candidates represented. And Mormonism.
Admittedly it was a biased account.
In the end he was able to fix in his head that Obama was Democrat. Black (the dual heritage really amazed him) and Auntie C likes him.
Romney - Republican. White. Auntie C disapproves for some reasons he can't remember but had a lot to do with his sister (healthcare, support, schooling etc).
Not sure I got through entirely, but given that both the childer in that family rely on The Sun and Sky News for their political views, he probably had a more balanced account of American politics from me than he has ever had of British politics. He's been brought up working class right wing. And he knows me as a suspect bleeding heart liberal. There are certain things he knows not to say in front of me. So I might just have created a new Republican.
Meh - he can't even vote over here yet, let alone over there.
ETA watched the odd "empty chair" ramble.
Quotes because "empty chair" is employed in therapy and is known as such.
Did he walk through the wrong door?
Maddow made the point last night that if nobody in the romney campaign gets fired for green-lighting the eastwood speech, it's clear they basically really just don't give a fuck anymore.
I'm not sure if it's "don't give a fuck" or just "so totally absorbed in their own forced narrative as to be unable to see how silly they look from the outside".
Eastwood provided the red meat insanity the true believer crowd required, so Mitt could say whatever he wanted and try to look Presidential. Not to worry, the insane left will get a chance to prove themselves at the Dem Con. Am reading Empire by Orson Scott Card right now so my vision may be skewed.
Eastwood provided the red meat insanity the true believer crowd required, so Mitt could say whatever he wanted and try to look Presidential. Not to worry, the insane left will get a chance to prove themselves at the Dem Con. Am reading Empire by Orson Scott Card right now so my vision may be skewed.
Eastwood was there to provide 'conservative' credentials to Romney while Romney quietly backed off to the middle to court the 'not insane' majority of independents.
"Pay no attention to the moderate behind the curtain."
But Ann, and by extension the GOP, loves women.
Never been so loved and cared for my whole life. Yes, I say! Yes I'll make you a sandwich!
But Ann, and by extension the GOP, loves women.
True, but it's the kind of love that, in a person, usually results in a restraining order.
Eastwood provided the red meat insanity the true believer crowd required, so Mitt could say whatever he wanted and try to look Presidential. Not to worry, the insane left will get a chance to prove themselves at the Dem Con. Am reading Empire by Orson Scott Card right now so my vision may be skewed.
Clint provided an imaginary friend to go with Romney's imaginary facts.
They had an obligation to entertain us considering that convention cost us $68,000,000. Oh, the next one will too. :(
You can save it as a gif and when you go to upload it, it says gif and in the list of file types is gif...but when I save out, it changes to a jpeg???????
That's supposed to move.
Oh well.
You can save it as a gif and when you go to upload it, it says gif and in the list of file types is gif...but when I save out, it changes to a jpeg???????
I've only been able to get anigifs to play nice by linking to the original source, not uploading to the cellar.
good luck.
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Yeah, the Marx one is really finny.
Yes, outstanding!
The fact that 'emptychairMitt' is a fucking throne is hilarious.
Hasn't anyone told him that blackface and its derivatives are passé now?
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Hahahaha love that last one.
Oh fuck me, that's outstanding. I love it.
Depressing.
Reminds me of B-uh-roke America.
I saw this segment, Stewart had a real "I'm mad as hell, and I just can't take it anymore" moment, no more mister nice guy amiable satirical comedy host but practically foaming at the mouth rant. NTTAWWT.
Also Clinton owned again, don't see how the Republicans can counter him, he's charming and he uses hard numbers.
not that there's anything wrong with that, i assume.
Also Clinton owned again, don't see how the Republicans can counter him, he's charming and he uses hard numbers.
Yep, hard numbers are there for anyone to see. This is why Republicans have given up on the smart people.
“We will never have the media on our side, ever, in this country,” Santorum, a former Pennsylvania senator, told the audience at the Omni Shoreham hotel. “We will never have the elite, smart people on our side.”
Thank G-d guys like UG breed like bunnies, otherwise it would be all over for the Republicans.:D
Oh definitely, the Republicans are in trouble: The country is in bad economic shape, and their candidate for President is a *very* successful businessman and politician.
The Democrats have it made in the shade: Their candidate never ran so much as a lemonade stand, successfully.
Romney pays a low income tax percentage - what a shocker! So does everybody else, who has a tax accountant. Romney didn't make the tax laws. Romney has a lot of money offshore - another shocker! So does everybody else with significant worldwide investments.
Is Obama somehow more virtuous because he's economically stupid?
C'mon - he was active in Chicago for years! Now his former chief of staff is the mayor of Chicago. The crime and violence is so bad in Chicago, the mayor asked the Nation of Islam to patrol the streets to help deter the killings and other violent crime.
If you want to know what "redistribution" of wealth is like, here you go:
You're a bartender on a Saturday night. You and three others, are hustling, it's a busy night. One bartender is mostly in the back room, however, chatting on his cell phone with friends.
At the end of the shift, the manager tells you to split up ALL the tips, evenly, including one-fourth to the bartender who spent most of the shift, in the back room chatting. Because although you worked for your tips, and he didn't do much of anything, it's "*fair*".
All the cute jokes and satire aside, if we took the factual lies of Obama, and strung them end to end, we'd have no problem getting back to the moon. ;)
But you kind of expect politicians to do that. Having an "Enemies List", and having the IRS go after anyone who gets in your way ("Like Joe the Plumber"), really stinks, imo. It's like Nixon, at his worst, and very un-Presidential. I was frankly shocked that Joe was audited immediately after questioning Obama's tax plan, during his first campaign for President.
Yes Romney did very well at the most despicable scheme financiers ever invented, he's even better than Trump.
Redistribution of wealth to Obama is a fair wage for the most productive employees in history and a fair tax burden for everyone.
But this is a picture thread, says so right at the top. There are plenty of threads for you to copy the GOP talking points.
Thurston... er, Mitt playing fake tan Mexican.
Jill Biden has seen Joe up close.
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Yes Romney did very well at the most despicable scheme financiers ever invented, he's even better than Trump.
Redistribution of wealth to Obama is a fair wage for the most productive employees in history and a fair tax burden for everyone.
But this is a picture thread, says so right at the top. There are plenty of threads for you to copy the GOP talking points.
Thurston... er, Mitt playing fake tan Mexican.
Did we get a birth certificate on that guy yet?
Republican deer?
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Mitt Romney addresses the 47% comment video
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And for non-partisan points, a dig at Obama.
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Parodies this, just in case you haven't seen it yet)
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This one wasn't so funny and I had to reply.
I've run across a few good ones recently, might as well get them outta my system:
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That's a manure spreader, for the uninformed among us.
"How would you like this wrapped" Ohhh brilliant.
I sent Spex's cartoon above to my G-daughter who is a huge fan of Big Bird.
This was in her reply email...
"When they came for the big yellow birds, I did not speak up, because I was not a big yellow bird..."
:lol:
"When they came for the big yellow birds, I did not speak up, because I was not a big yellow bird..."
:lol:
Too late now.....
And the
tweet goes on...Romney's to Big Bird threat still has legs a week later...
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"Big Bird, welcome to the middle class"
"Big Bird, one more of Romney's 47%"
“[Romney] is getting tough on Big Bird.
Wall Street can run wild again, but he’s bringing the hammer down on Sesame Street.”
But when asked to comment, Big Bird said he didn't want to "ruffle any feathers.
Homeless Sesame Street characters would be good Halloween costumes.
Ha! Those last few are brilliant.
Particularly like the 'Giving more money to the rich didn't work...' one. It seems to pretty much sum up Adak's economic arguments in the other thread. And most of the conservative pundits I've heard.
Particularly like the 'Giving more money to the rich didn't work...' one. It seems to pretty much sum up Adak's economic arguments in the other thread.
He also ignores history. Jobs were created when the rich were properly taxed. Jobs creation stopped when government gave welfare to the rich. At what point does he first learn history before advancing that myth? Oh. Limbaugh said tax cuts to the rich create jobs. That rhetoric alone proves it.
Ideologues hate facts, numbers, lessons from history, and reality. 'Conservative' principles prove everything. Extremism in the name of liberty is no vice.
Please illustrate those points with a funny picture.
Jobs were created when the rich were properly taxed. Jobs creation stopped when government gave welfare to the rich.
Piggy-backing off this a bit...
So, in essence, if business owners wanted to be richer, they had to make more money. To make more money, they had to grow their business (or sell it at a profit and start another). To grow the business, they had to drum up/better meet demand and increase deliverables while minimizing receivables. To do all that, they need a workforce that will, for whatever reason (as far as they're concerned), come to work everyday and not waste company time/resources. Doing all of this takes time, money and energy. The motivation for doing all this would be the increased ROI. Increased ROI means the business owner gets richer.
If business owners are able to get more R for less I, they will. They definitely will because it's less expenditure. The extra R can come from lots of places, from savings realized by automating a process, from tax breaks, from outside investors being impressed by your latest product. Less expenditure means more money doesn't leave them/the business and they stay rich for longer or get rich sooner. There's no motivation to add more jobs because personal and business profit would be growing without it.
Also, adding more jobs when there isn't more work to be done means you get more work created (to justify paying more workers) and an increase of deliverables, which can mean an increase of receivables (which may or may not cost more money). Increased deliverables still need to be sold and if you saturate the market and the demand isn't there, you drive price down and that can backfire on you (and all your competitors). And they don't want that either. And since a black-inked balance sheet and a graph showing a steady upwards creep on the profit over time axes are the engine of a business, why change it?
And that's just the business side. The consumer side deals with the same situation, with just a slightly different flavor. Both need the other to prosper and when one side is favored the other will suffer. What is a boon to one will make the other go bust. Need balance.
And here's a pic to apologize for posting lots of words in a pic thread...
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Like the Spice Girls only Romney Boys.
You gotcher Liar Spice, your Scary Spice, your Tired Old Vagina Spice.
Or: Mom Jeans Spice, Robot Spice, Stepford Spice...
I could go on, and on, and on.
Do you like Huey Louis and the News?
Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far much more bitter, cynical sense of humor.
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That is great. Someone should add "individuality: When you have that rape baby, you're on your own to provide for it and raise it" - brought to you by the entire GOP.
That is great. Someone should add "individuality: When you have that rape baby, you're on your own to provide for it and raise it" - brought to you by the entire GOP.
"When it sucks your teat, don't even think about sucking ours."
Do you like Huey Louis and the News?
Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far much more bitter, cynical sense of humor.
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Do you like Huey Louis and the News?
Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far much more bitter, cynical sense of humor.
I don't get it. What does Huey
LEWIS and the News have to do with anything?
I don't get it. What does Huey LEWIS and the News have to do with anything?
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I think he's saying the guy in post #1010 looks like Christian Bale.
Oh. (I'm not too quick on the uptake today.)
But really, that's Gosh Ram-knee. He wants to take a swing at the president for calling Pa a liar. He's the newest bestest meme.
Bale as Bateman, in particular.
.....initially mankind built androids to closely resemble real people, but many were unnerved by their humanlike appearance and so they were superceded by more obviously artificial designs...
.....initially mankind built androids to closely resemble real people, but many were unnerved by their humanlike appearance and so they were superceded by more obviously artificial designs...
that is ... uncanny.
"When it sucks your teat, don't even think about sucking ours."
I smell bumper sticker!:thumb:
Purging...
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Now, in an easy to follow flowchart, we unveil Mitt Romney's Lady Plan!
This is reference to the Benghazi Consulate attack. Their requests for assistance were denied.
If I was a diplomat or a SEAL or an American I think I might be offended by that.
being in the military, i'm offended that these americans were not given the requested support. there was a uas circling overhead providing ongoing coverage of the battle to the situation room. hell, they even had a seal on the roof lasing targets and requesting spectre gunship support. denied. they were left to die
Freedom from numbers! Woo!
*snort*
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That Marines picture would have a lot more teeth if they weren't dressed up in their pretty parade costumes. Find a picture of Marines today in battle, fighting with bayonets, and you would have an argument.
A Marine in war looks like this:
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But you already knew that.
Wasn't there a battle in Afghanistan where the soldiers went hand to hand with bayonets? In the Tora Bora mountains, iirc.
Yeah, Marines look more than awesome in their dress blues (swoon-worthy even) but as a person with many many Marines in my life I'd say that harping on the bayonet remark as if it were an affront to our military is rather ridiculous.
Rihanne is right: it's offensive.
Oh, I agree. There are way more offensive things I'd have thought. Like the poor healthcare for returned veterans and lack of support for mental health problems.
Not to mention, sending them to war on a lie. I'd find that really insulting if I was family to a soldier.
This is reference to the Benghazi Consulate attack. Their requests for assistance were denied.
being in the military, i'm offended that these americans were not given the requested support. there was a uas circling overhead providing ongoing coverage of the battle to the situation room. hell, they even had a seal on the roof lasing targets and requesting spectre gunship support. denied. they were left to die
Sarge, you need to place blame where it belongs:
Jason Chaffetz Admits [COLOR="Red"][SIZE="4"]House GOP Cut Funding For Embassy Security[/SIZE][/COLOR]: 'You Have To Prioritize Things'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/10/jason-chaffetz-embassy_n_1954912.htmlReminds me of that
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I guess you would believe the raft of shit I received when I told my relatives (D-NY) that I felt (feel) Holloweening as its presently constructed, with total strangers appearing in doorways demanding tribute, is simply a nasty form of begging.
That's pretty much how it was historically constructed, too. Trick or treating was/is a demand for protection payment.
Of course, the little kids in angel and Spiderman costumes aren't the ones who'll toilet paper and egg your home or car. I remember only being allowed to trick or treat in our immediate neighborhood; it was considered bad manners to go where you weren't known. The adults were happy to see us and we were safe. We could even accept homemade goodies (which were common)!
Spreading the lies, eh sarge.
Not spreading the lies, just trying to share the truth because I have been there, done that, and have the T-shirt. Unfortunately, most of you base your opinion on what the talking heads on the news decide to tell you. Our infantry and TWATS are issued bayonets and are expected to carry them when they exit the wire. The M9 is used as an all purpose combat knife. I carried an Air Force Survival Knife on my IOTV since I am not a front line troop.
Many reports of using a bayonet are simply reported as hand to hand combat. The Army said today it has 419,155 bayonets in its inventory. The Marine Corps has another 195,334 bayonets that it bought in 2004 and it plans on buying 175,061 more bayonets this year. A Marine official says it’s not accurate to add the two totals together as the new ones will include replacements for ones already in service as well as additional stocks.
Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) knows a thing or two about how the U.S. military uses bayonets, because he sent soldiers into battle with them in Iraq. “I can tell you that when I was a battalion commander, we did still issue bayonets to our troops when we deployed to Iraq in 2003. The second thing I will tell you is that in 2001, Special Forces soldiers were on horseback riding with the Northern Alliance to fight against the Taliban,” West said. “So obviously we have a president who does not understand the full capabilities and capacities and what we do in the United States military.”
The Brits and Canadians document their bayonet usage closely. Corporal Sean Jones, 25, of 1st Battalion The Princess of Wales's Regiment, "reversed a potentially dire situation" when his patrol came under attack in a carefully planned ambush in October last year. Caught in the killing zone and unable to advance into the hail of fire, the soldiers withdrew to the relative safety of the water-filled ditch to return fire but were trapped as the insurgents moved in to try to overwhelm their position. "We had to react quickly," said Cpl Jones. "There was something different about this. It was obviously a well-planned ambush and they overwhelmed us with fire from three points initially." Firing a rocket at one of the insurgent positions, Cpl Jones ordered three of his men to fix bayonets before breaking cover and leading them across 80 metres of open ground raked by enemy fire.
The British Army performed bayonet charges during the Falklands War (see Battle of Mount Tumbledown), the Second Gulf War, and the war in Afghanistan.[36] In 2004 in Iraq at the Battle of Danny Boy, the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders bayonet charged mortar positions filled with over 100 Mahdi Army members. The ensuing hand to hand fighting resulted in an estimate of over 40 insurgents killed and 35 bodies collected (many floated down the river) and 9 prisoners. Sergeant Brian Wood, of the Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment, was awarded the Military Cross for his part in the battle.This engagement brought to notice the tactical use of the weapon for close combat and the sheer psychological effect it can have.
British forces in Afghanistan have used bayonets on numerous occasions. In 2009, Lieutenant James Adamson, aged 24, of the Royal Regiment of Scotland was awarded the Military Cross for a bayonet charge whilst on a tour of duty in Afghanistan: after shooting one Taliban fighter dead Adamson had run out of ammunition when another enemy appeared. Adamson immediately charged the second Taliban fighter and bayoneted him. In September 2012, Lance Corporal Sean Jones of The Princess of Wales's Regiment was awarded the Military Cross for his role in a bayonet charge which took place in October 2011. Brian Wood was just a young lance corporal at the time when he dismounted his thin-skinned vehicle amid withering enemy fire, and followed his commander's order to fix bayonets.The order came from from Sgt. Dave Falconer, reports The Sun and BBC, who later said he was proud of the actions from his men that day. The date was May 14, 2004, and Falconer, along with Wood, Private Anthony Rushforth, Sgt Chris Broome, and privates John-Claude Fowler and Matthew Tatawaqa, were speeding down a roadway 150 miles south of Basra in Southern Iraq. They were on their way to relieve fellow comrades caught in an ambush when they were caught in one of their own. The fire was so close and at such an angle (a close quartered, L-shaped ambush) that the only way to defeat it "was to put boots on the ground," said Falconer. So he immediately ordered his men to dismount and fix bayonets.The six soldiers charged across open ground, pausing only to throw themselves to the ground to avoid enemy fire, and return a bit of their own. In a few small sprints, they had traversed to the first trench, into which they immediately leapt, coming face to face with the enemy.
"Basically, it was short, sharp and furious," said Wood, who was later awarded the Military Cross for actions that day.
While not a bayonet attack, this US soldier is being Considered for the Medal of Honor. David Bellavia (born November 10, 1975) is an American Iraq War veteran who was awarded the Silver Star for his actions during the Second Battle of Fallujah. Bellavia has also received the Bronze Star, three Army Commendation Medals, two Army Achievement Medals and the New York State Conspicuous Service Cross. He has also been nominated for the Medal of Honor and the Distinguished Service Cross. The actions for which Bellavia earned a Silver Star took place on his 29th birthday. As a member of Company A, Task Force 2-2, 1st Infantry Division, his platoon was assigned during Operation Phantom Fury to clear a block of twelve buildings from which insurgents were firing on U.S. troops. The platoon began searching house-to-house. At the tenth house, Bellavia fatally shot an insurgent preparing to load a rocket-propelled grenade. A second insurgent fired at him, and Bellavia wounded him in the shoulder. When Staff Sergeant Bellavia entered a bedroom, the wounded insurgent followed, forcing Bellavia to kill him. When another insurgent began firing from upstairs, Bellavia returned fire and killed him. A fourth insurgent then jumped out of a closet in the bedroom, yelling and firing his weapon as he leaped over a bed trying to reach Bellavia. The insurgent tripped and Bellavia wounded him. Bellavia chased the insurgent when he ran upstairs. He followed the wounded insurgent's bloody footprints to a room on the left and threw in a fragmentation grenade. Upon entering the room, Bellavia discovered it was filled with propane tanks and plastic explosives. He did not fire his weapon for fear of setting off an explosion and instead then engaged in hand-to-hand combat with the insurgent, which lead to Bellavia killing the insurgent by stabbing him in the collarbone with a knife.
The Army also reported today that it has 176 horses. The horses kept at Fort Myer, Va., are used mainly for ceremonial duties at Arlington Cemetery and the Capital region. There are also some horses located at Fort Hood, Texas. The Marine Mountain Warfare Training Center in California trains Marines in using horses, mules and donkeys to carry supplies in mountainous regions. In October 2011, a monument to Special Forces who led the Afghanistan invasion on horses was preparing for the final touches before finding it’s resting place across from the World Trade Center site. The Unit, known as the “Horse Soldiers” were awed by what they were doing on that day. The statue is scheduled to be erected across from the World Trade Center site in New York on November 11, Veterans Day. The artist rounded up these “horse soldiers” to share their personal stories and mission photos as inspiration for the 18-foot, bronze monument.
So are these lies or the truth? Have you actually seen this or are you basing your opinion on what someone told you??
Ferchristsake Sarge, get your head out of your ass. Obama said we have less bayonets and horses than we had in WW I. Then we had 4 million men in the Army alone. Now, in all 5 services, including reserves, there's something like 2.3 million. So I guess that means less bayonets, doesn't it. I won't even go into the horses. :rolleyes:
And he was making the point that some weapons are more useful than others.
Does a bayonet have its uses? Yes. Of course. But it's been what, two weeks since the debate? And I still haven seen the forces opposed to Obama come up with one single picture of a bayonet being used in combat today. You posted a parade picture and a training picture. That's all you will find.
Do a Google image search of "combat marines" and in the first ten pages of pictures you won't see a single bayonet in use. I found one bayonet affixed to a rifle in combat, but it was carried by a British soldier, not an American.
I totally understand the point President Obama made. The crack about bayonets ticked me and alot of others. The bayonet is a symbol that no matter what you do in the military, you have to be prepared to be on the frontline & "fix bayonets".
I'm just being an ass. I really do understand the point.
What happened to this guy? Where did he go?
"Obama said we don't use bayonets anymore". THAT lie. do have a cite for the president saying that?
Our infantry and TWATS are issued bayonets and are expected to carry them when they exit the wire.
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What happened to this guy? Where did he go?
More details on Benghazi have been released. Why are people allowed to post Pro-Democrat cartoons while anything that is Pro-Republican is offensive?
Dana - A TWAT is Tankers Without Any Tanks. It refers to armor soldiers converted to motorized infantry. It is the same thing as gun bunnies (artillery) deployed as infantry.
It's not offensive that it's pro-Republican; it's offensive that it portrays the military as morons who think Obama said we don't use horses or bayonets anymore.
More details on Benghazi have been released.
What does Benghazi have to do with it? The topic was the number of ships the Navy has, and Obama's response that it's the effectiveness of the weapons that matters, not the number of weapons?
Ferchristsake Sarge, get your head out of your ass. Obama said we have less bayonets and horses than we had in WW I. Then we had 4 million men in the Army alone. Now, in all 5 services, including reserves, there's something like 2.3 million. So I guess that means less bayonets, doesn't it. I won't even go into the horses. :rolleyes:
Actually they were discussing 1916. The National Defense Act approved on 3 June 1916 set the peace strength of the Regular Army at 220,000 officers and men and of the National Guard at 450,000. In 2012, US Army (Active) was 547,400 with an Army Reserve of 205,000 and Army National Guard of 358,200.
you're aces with facts as this post shows. where are the facts that show Obama said we don't use bayonets anymore?
This is a good one. Have you received your free phone?:rolleyes:
And he was making the point that some weapons are more useful than others.
Does a bayonet have its uses? Yes. Of course. But it's been what, two weeks since the debate? And I still haven seen the forces opposed to Obama come up with one single picture of a bayonet being used in combat today. You posted a parade picture and a training picture. That's all you will find.
Do a Google image search of "combat marines" and in the first ten pages of pictures you won't see a single bayonet in use. I found one bayonet affixed to a rifle in combat, but it was carried by a British soldier, not an American.
The first image I pulled up was this.US soldiers with bayonet-fixed rifles guard the entrance to the former Presidential Palace which now houses the US Administration office in Baghdad, Iraq (news - web sites) as protesters (unseen) gather Saturday July 5, 2003 demanding the release of former Parliament Speaker Dr. Saadon Hamadi, who was arrested by the US forces June 25.
he ridiculed Mitt Romney for suggesting that the U.S. Navy is underfunded, lamenting that it has fewer ships than it did in 1917. Yes, we have fewer ships, Obama responded witheringly, but we also have fewer "horses and bayonets." Obama said his point was that the military's needs have evolved — modern aircraft carriers and nuclear subs are so much more powerful than the war vessels of yesteryear that the comparison is pointless and "counting ships" is no way to measure naval power.
http://theweek.com/article/index/235252/horses-and-bayonets-did-obama-diss-the-navy
How is that the same as him saying the army doesn't need bayonets?
I'm having no problems finding deployed troops with bayonets.
I think what we're looking for is a number of how many bayonets were used to dispatch the opposition, rather than how many were issued and visible during active wartime.
If you go to your favorite hunting ground with a .22 anything and a .45 anything and end up only taking a couple of rabbits with the .22, the .45 was carried/issued but not used and can't be counted as a weapon used on the trip... cuz it wasn't. So, if, for some reason, a soldier is in battles where he fires his rifle until it's red hot, but has no occasion/need to stab someone with the bayonet he also carries, the bayonet is issued but not actually used.
So how many of our soldiers, not British soldiers cuz we're not talking about them, used their bayonets instead of bullets or other high powered weaponry to disarm/disable/devitalize an enemy? The most direct way to find out is just to ask. Has anyone asked?
But even that isn't really the point. Surely the point is that Obama never said anything remotely like what he's accused in that cartoon of having said.
Y'know, Sarge, whilst your busy getting hot under the collar and generally insulted by things the president never actually said, does this in anyway anger you? :
Republicans have voted down legislation that would have established a1bn jobs programme to put unemployed veterans back to work as firefighters and police officers and in public work projects.
They objected to the cost of the bill, which they said violated spending limits agreed to last year in Congress.
Democrats and veterans groups say its cost are fully offset.
The bill, which had bipartisan support in the Senate and would have given priority to post-9/11 veterans whose employment prospects are three points below the national average, fell two votes short of the majority of 60 needed to waive Republican objections.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/19/veterans-bill-voted-down-us-senate
See, now that's fucking insulting.
But even that isn't really the point. Surely the point is that Obama never said anything remotely like what he's accused in that cartoon of having said.
But is that even the point? I thought the point was that our society is so dumbed-down that a sitting president is regarded as having 'scored points' in a debate because he had better 'zingers' than the opponent. I mean, are we electing a stand-up comedian? Do we need to know if he can juggle, or make balloon animals?
To be fair, I was also insulted by the 'who would you rather have a beer with' analysis of GW Bush, but come on...
Now we're going with
who is snarkier?
Now 'cut downs' are Presidential?
Oh that's an even wider point :p
But is that even the point? I thought the point was that our society is so dumbed-down that a sitting president is regarded as having 'scored points' in a debate because he had better 'zingers' than the opponent.
...
Now we're going with who is snarkier?
Did you understand what he said,
past the zinger?
Romney's criticism was that we have fewer ships now than we used to.
Obama's response, while admittedly in the zinger form you hate so much, was that the number of ships is a poor metric, when the power and versatility of the ships we do have is beyond the imagination of ye olde Navy.
Not to mention the fact that there isn't an opposing navy now that we would have to overwhelm with numbers.
Did you understand what he said, past the zinger?
Romney's criticism was that we have fewer ships now than we used to.
Obama's response, while admittedly in the zinger form you hate so much, was that the number of ships is a poor metric, when the power and versatility of the ships we do have is beyond the imagination of ye olde Navy.
Not to mention the fact that there isn't an opposing navy now that we would have to overwhelm with numbers.
This is exactly the issue. Anything else is a distraction.
But is that even the point? I thought the point was that our society is so dumbed-down that a sitting president is regarded as having 'scored points' in a debate because he had better 'zingers' than the opponent. I mean, are we electing a stand-up comedian? Do we need to know if he can juggle, or make balloon animals?
Yes, since Reagan's "there you go again", it's been about the zingers, unfortunately.
Sarge, you appear to feel that Obama and the Democratic party have been "bad" for the military, and Rmoney and the repubicans have been / will be "good" for the military. Why? Have you forgotten the have the repubicans allowed Walter Reed Hospital to decay? Have you read heard that repubicans cut funding for embassy security? What basis do you have to be anti-Obama. Please don't let it be the bayonets remark, which you've misrepresented.
I haven't misrepresented the facts. What concerns me are military cuts with a growing Chinese military and the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood throughout Southwest Asia and Africa. Plus, I feel the current administration has not supported Israel.
More & more unclassified reports are being released on Benghazi. I feel like our core belief of "leave no man behind" was spat upon by our leaders. Remember, this was US soil. How would you feel if foreign extremists burned your state capitol and killed the governor while the military/police stood and watched. Throw into this the conflicting reports that the ambassador was sodomized. Benghazi was the straw that broke the camel's back. I just can't get over that drones were circling overhead feeding live video to situation rooms.
Dana - What you are refering to is an expensive program that is an expansion of the COPS (community oriented policing) Universal Hire. A post 9/11 veteran is hired with the Bureau of Justice Assistance and Department of Justice paying his salary for 3 years and the local government paying his salary for the 4th year. It is a very expensive program that we can't afford. Also, COPS has not been funded or severely restricted on several occasions in more than one administration. Yes, this program would benefit me. However, the US can't afford the debt.
I am not pleased with Romney, but I see him as the "lesser of two evils".
Throw into this the conflicting reports that the ambassador was sodomized.
this is such massive, idiotic, conspiratorial bullshit, that i would think you'd be far above believing it for a split-second, sarge.
Ambassador Stevens was found in a locked, safehouse-style strongroom in the consulate, having died of smoke inhalation as the building was torched. His attackers never found or confronted him personally. The Libyan civilians who found his body took it immediately to the nearest hospital for medical attention.
... What concerns me are military cuts with a growing Chinese military and the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood throughout Southwest Asia and Africa. Plus, I feel the current administration has not supported Israel.
This is the part of your post that contains serious and real issues which if you rate them highly in your priorities are valid reasons to support Romney. Please be careful when looking at propaganda pages from angry racists or party hacks painting themselves as ex-military patriots.
I think our Navy is over-built, see China and Iran as over-hyped for the support of the arms industry, think Africa and Asia will have to figure out their own religious nutters while we work on ours, and Obama has got it about right in Israel. So we disagree but I still count you a good decent man and can't wait for Tuesday to be over so everybody can get back to being human.
Ibby - the point of torture is still being reported and has even been brought up in Congress. "Congressman Burton, during a speech on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives on September 14, 2012 dropped a bombshell when he indicated that Ambassador Steven was “tortured” in Libya before his death." Even Snopes says this is undetermined.
I have my beliefs and you have yours. The military is my "hot button."
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http://schwoozie.tumblr.com/post/34856654876/xRomney's dog got to ride on the top of the car.
All I got is this silly "I bark for Obama" t-shirt
Hey folks This is the cartoon thread. the crying comes after the 6th. Ha Ha
More & more unclassified reports are being released on Benghazi. I feel like our core belief of "leave no man behind" was spat upon by our leaders. Remember, this was US soil. How would you feel if foreign extremists burned your state capitol and killed the governor while the military/police stood and watched. Throw into this the conflicting reports that the ambassador was sodomized. Benghazi was the straw that broke the camel's back. I just can't get over that drones were circling overhead feeding live video to situation rooms.
They've been lying to you Sarge.
Based on reports he's seen and heard on Fox News, talk radio and elsewhere, Moody is positive that officials watched a live video feed in the White House situation room from an overhead drone as the attack in Benghazi unfolded. He knows that a U.S. Special Operations team was available in Sicily to help rescue the besieged Americans, but wasn't sent. He is sure that President Obama or his aides refused requests to dispatch an AC-130 Spectre gunship that could have mowed down the attackers with its fearsome rotating cannons.
"The bottom line," emailed Moody, whose father was a Democratic U.S. senator from Michigan, "is that [Obama] had the ability to save those four Americans and didn't do it."
Officials in the Pentagon and the intelligence community contend that none of those assertions are true.
In an extraordinary effort to refute them, senior intelligence officials released a detailed timeline Thursday of CIA actions in Benghazi, after trying for weeks to keep the extent of the CIA's presence there a secret. Pentagon officials, meanwhile, disclosed details about military forces they set in motion after learning of the attack.
Read the details.Bruce - you know those UAS were monitored by someone. We don't have drones flying over an attack with no one watching
Like BusterB said, it is time to get back to the cartoons:
Bruce - you know those UAS were monitored by someone. We don't have drones flying over an attack with no one watching
Of course they were, somewhere out in Montana or somewhere, and when they figured out what was happening reported it.
Senior intelligence and Defense officials say there was some coverage by unarmed surveillance drones during part of the Sept. 11 Benghazi attack, but no feed was available for the president. The Special Operations team arrived on the Italian island of Sicily hours after the attack was over.
also
In fact, CIA security officers responded to the attack on the State Department compound within 25 minutes, U.S. officials said, though it took them 50 minutes to arrive.
It wasn't the embassy, they called it an "annex" but in truth it was a house a mile away. It was claimed to be living quarters but it was really a CIA operation center, they chose away from the embassy because they were trying to keep a low profile. Didn't even have a flag. That was a bad decision but we don't know who made it yet.
It was a terrible thing, but the outright bullshit that FOX, the milblogs, and CNN have been spouting, trying to make political hay out of it, is shameful.
Shameful is the word. Lies, and more lies.
Did you understand what he said, past the zinger?
I did, but it wasn't necessary for me to. It was packaged to be effective in the absence of comprehension. That is the insulting aspect of the 'zinger' format (irrespective of who is doing it--this and ALL OTHER critiques of the process are NOT subject to one party or one candidate only). The 'zinger' isn't a harmless packaging, inconsequentially chosen, it's a purposeful appeal to the lowest common denominator. In the complete absence of any meaningul throught process relating to the subject matter, the 'zinger' strikes up points in the 'win column' which resides in a substance vacuum.
I hate that it is done this way, and I hate that it is effective.
Think of people you know who have 'gotten ahead' in 'office politics' in this manner. These individuals are well-deserved recipients of intense dislike.
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I did, but it wasn't necessary for me to. It was packaged to be effective in the absence of comprehension. That is the insulting aspect of the 'zinger' format (irrespective of who is doing it--this and ALL OTHER critiques of the process are NOT subject to one party or one candidate only). The 'zinger' isn't a harmless packaging, inconsequentially chosen, it's a purposeful appeal to the lowest common denominator. In the complete absence of any meaningul throught process relating to the subject matter, the 'zinger' strikes up points in the 'win column' which resides in a substance vacuum.
I hate that it is done this way, and I hate that it is effective.
Think of people you know who have 'gotten ahead' in 'office politics' in this manner. These individuals are well-deserved recipients of intense dislike.
In the complete absence of any meaningful thought process on the part of the listener, the impact of the zinger will have been made anyhow, even absent any substance. Look at all the stupid fuckers out there who persist in their ignorance, despite actual substance, that President Obama was not born in the United States or that he is a Muslim. For low information voters like this, communication via zinger is reaching your audience where they are. For high information voters, or thoughtful people for whom substance matters, zingers, pre-emptive "our navy is smaller now than in 1916" or retaliatory "we have fewer horses and bayonets too", it ranges from amusing to insulting.
It works because we humans don't always form our decisions based on facts only, but on many factors, much to tw's dismay, were he capable of feeling dismay. :poke: This is true in office politics as much as it is in national politics. Have you never heard of the saying "A ounce of image is worth a pound of performance"? Sad but true.
How do you change this this kind of dialog from effective to ineffective? Make everyone who's listening smarter and more mature so that playground insults like this are pointless. Make everyone who votes smart about the facts of the issues. Make substance feel more substantial and appearance look less attractive. Noble, worthy and Sisyphean. I will work shoulder to shoulder with you in this effort.
I haven't misrepresented the facts.
I don't know about that. He said "we also have fewer horses and bayonets". You've made that out as though he said "the military no longer uses any bayonets at all". Forgive me if I've misinterpreted.
What concerns me are military cuts with a growing Chinese military and the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood throughout Southwest Asia and Africa. Plus, I feel the current administration has not supported Israel.
How much do we need to spend? Is spending as much as we do working?
Thanks a lot Spexxy. Now I have to scroll over to the right to see the whole screen. :rolleyes:
You misunderstood me. I agreed we had fewer horses, but all the figures I have reported and the reference to the National Defence Act of 1916 show we have more bayonets. Also, this in the emblem I wear on my uniform. Notice the M9 bayonet?
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The kid knows something about something, ya can tell that much...
I did, but it wasn't necessary for me to. It was packaged to be effective in the absence of comprehension.
It seems that you're objecting to "style over substance" so strenuously that you are just objecting to style without respect to substance.
The offensive zingers are the ones whose underlying point is false, but they are cleverly worded in such a way that refuting them is too complicated to explain easily. Or maybe they don't actually say anything at all, but they imply things, and the utterer can then claim they never said the implication.
Obama's "zinger" was just a clever way to make a good point, and he explained that point in long form immediately afterward, rather than letting the zinger stand on its own.
And, of course, it could have been cleverer, if he'd picked something other than bayonets, as quibbling over the bayonet count is just as much a way of glossing over the point as is accepting a zinger wholesale, and there is probably another piece of military hardware whose numbers have dropped in the last hundred years.
Also, this in the emblem I wear on my uniform. Notice the M9 bayonet?
OK, now I get it. All of this talk about bayonets is so that Big Sarge can properly accessorize his clothing. After all, nothing says 'sharp dressed man' like, well, something that's actually sharp.:D
Try not to get too stylish Sarge. If Romney wins he might go straight to reinstating "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and too much bling is suspicious.
Holy jpeg compression artifacts, Batman!
Reasons to vote republican.
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The man is such a joke.
And of course we all know he would have just loved and praised the electoral college if it had ended up the other way.
My favourite line:
We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided!
Just brilliant.
And this:
Let's fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice!
That'll be that famed sense of 'entitlement' I keep hearing about then eh?
Heh...exactly.
Trump is a tool. And a knob. Mostly a knob. But with a lot of tool characteristics.
From a Beyonce tweet last night:
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My favourite line:
We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided!
Just brilliant.
And this:
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This is what a spoiled, uber-rich adult's temper tantrum looks like.
I wonder how much money and/or favors he had riding on the outcome of this election, never mind what money he's thrown at it thus far.
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It's not just Michelle and Barack, Jill's seen Joe "up close".
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They're all parasitic crooks, trying to watch baseball for FREE. How UNAMERICAN can you GET?!?!!!??!!!!
They're all parasitic crooks, trying to watch baseball for FREE. How UNAMERICAN can you GET?!?!!!??!!!!
to a tea party republican
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The fact that Chris Christie is the dad from Dinosaurs totally confirms that he is definitely my favorite republican (not on policy but on entertainment value, that is)
Anytime I catch sight of Christie on TV, I watch.
There's just no telling what he's gonna say, or to whom he will say it.
seriously! he's way cool, even though i disagree with almost all of his policy positions.
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But dude, more alcohol IS the solution to drunk driving.
If you're throwing a party, and people get tipsy, they drive home and crash. If they get totally paralytic pissed, they pass out and sleep on the floor. or lawn. and go home safe the next day.
SAFETY THROUGH DRUNKENNESS!
Kill off those who are weakest. Thosw with less willpower will most easily surrender to the devil. Then keep finding new friends. It will increase the quality of your social circles. Facts of life orginally defined by Darwin.
Same also applies to guns. Anyone who gets shot and dies is not desireable. Then anyone you accidentally shoot will not die. No jail time.
Practicing for my new job. Spokeperson for the NRA.
Kill off those who are weakest. Thosw with less willpower will most easily surrender to the devil. Then keep finding new friends. It will increase the quality of your social circles. Facts of life orginally defined by Darwin.
Same also applies to guns. Anyone who gets shot and dies is not desireable. Then anyone you accidentally shoot will not die. No jail time.
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It's like...JBKlyde in the mirror universe.
Next, it will be at the first "... twinkle in his eye"
At marriage, because decent people don't do the nasty before then, and procreation is the reason you get married.:p:
Thanks for the Gun Free Zone link, Gravdigr! ROFL!
At marriage, because decent people don't do the nasty before then, and procreation is the reason you get married.:p:
Not just any procreation -
accidental procreation is the only reason for marriage.
No, we've just raised the price. Three cars and a house.
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That's Gabrielle Giffords.
With an AR-15.
The AR-15 is a rifle.
Rifles are guns.
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Hypocrite.
One more poke...
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That's Gabrielle Giffords.
With an AR-15.
The AR-15 is a rifle.
Rifles are guns.
Hypocrite.
Yeah, see now, I gotta backtrack. Cuz I took a picture and info and ran with it...before I knew what I was talking about.
First, that pic I posted of Giffords is a crop, here is the uncropped (or, cropped less) pic:
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Here is an explanation, along with explanation of another photo that has been sent around out of context.
Sorry, everybody, sorry.
Carry on.
re: the '$50 Dollar Lesson'...
Might have made more sense if the kid had been told she would be giving away $5 of her $50 to the homeless guy.
War mongler?
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Err, did we joke about Iran's amusing stealth aircraft photoshop incident?
The one with the pilot's knees sticking up above the cockpit?
That was laughable.
And I did. Laugh.
I was thinking of the one where they released pics of it in a hangar, then a few days later, pics of it in flight - with exactly the same angle, lighting and even light reflections on the body.
I larfed.
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Joe Biden is really...Walter?!?!
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Joe Biden is really...Walter?!?!
With plugs.
I guess her 15 minutes of fame are over.
Meanwhile Al Gore (the VP so boring that his secret service codename was "Al Gore") has a new NYT best seller.
Yeah, see now, I gotta backtrack. Cuz I took a picture and info and ran with it...before I knew what I was talking about.
First, that pic I posted of Giffords is a crop, here is the uncropped (or, cropped less) pic:
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Sorry, everybody, sorry.
Carry on.
Even still, I don't see how she's a hypocrite. She is in favor of increased background checks, not denying people the right to own firearms. It's harder to buy and register a car for fucks sake. A few hoops to jump through for gun ownership ain't that bad.
Ya see, that quote up there is me correcting myself.
It is a retraction.
If an argument is what you wanted, you shoulda quoted
this post.
Right now, as it is, we are agreeing with each other. Kinda.
I say 'kinda', cuz, I'm still not sure she is a hypocrite or not.
Dang, now I done plumb fergot what I was doing. I think I was being an ass.
;)
No, you just got sucked in by a concerted right wing effort to create a lie. Unfortunately for them, you're smart enough to find out the truth... and honest enough to post it when you did.
I guess her 15 minutes of fame are over.
Meanwhile Al Gore (the VP so boring that his secret service codename was "Al Gore") has a new NYT best seller.
In bookstores I nonchalantly turn the books bearing the faces of Palin, or Limbaugh, or O'Reilly, or other of that ilk, so the back cover is showing instead of their stoopid face.
It's my small civil disobedience. ;)
In bookstores I nonchalantly turn the books bearing the faces of Palin, or Limbaugh, or O'Reilly, or other of that ilk, so the back cover is showing instead of their stoopid face.
Love it.
In bookstores I nonchalantly turn the books bearing the faces of Palin, or Limbaugh, or O'Reilly, or other of that ilk, so the back cover is showing instead of their stoopid face.
It's my small civil disobedience. ;)
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Not a cartoon per se, but funny..
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I'm glad you posted that video ... we were watching when the network feed went nuts,
so we didn't get to see the last half.
I thought he and Conan were remarkably funny.
It was some of the best comedy on TV in recent past.
That's total photoshop fodder. You can paste anyone in there, shaking his hand and drinking a glass of pino noir.
Replace his head with Heston's.
I think that's a challenge, all you photoshopper extraordinaires...get to shoppin'!
What IS it with republicans and their empty chair jokes? Um. Ha? This photo was in response to Obama's joke at a White House Correspondent's Dinner:
Some folks still don't think I spend enough time with Congress. "Why don't you get a drink with Mitch McConnell?" they ask. (Pause.) Really? (Laughter.) Why don't you get a drink with Mitch McConnell? (More laughter.) I'm sorry, I get frustrated sometimes.
McConnell wins the internet, Daily Kos reports:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/29/1205667/-Like-a-turtle-coming-out-of-its-shell-Mitch-McConnell-wins-the-internet
Clearly, Mitch McConnell is a barrel of laughs. And clearly, he's won the internet. But not just for that—oh no, not just for that. You see, on Friday Sen. McConnell released a new video called The American Ideal. (Ironically, it was produced by a Canadian, but that's just a funny side note.) It's already gotten more than one million views, which is really amazing, especially given how boring the video is.
Well, I didn't say he was The Most Interesting Man In The World, and I'm betting that ain't no Dos Equis.
:D
Funny to me... to Obama, not so much
Hahahahahahah. Very good.
that's brilliant gravdigr
Pic ain't all that political, but, it's funny.
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:D - but it took a second look.
Pic ain't all that political, but, it's funny.
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I have a feeling people with back country permits are still out there, enjoying the empty parks.
of course they are.
likewise, people walk in the woods aaaalll the time without "the government". it's another non-story like the barricades. actually, it's just an internet funny, so ha ha ha!
actually, it's just an internet funny, so ha ha ha!
That.
I r not srs Gravdigr. Hrdly evr.
Sorry! :blush:
(shit's a little too real here for me to laugh about it.)
I'd imagine so. Much impact in Glattville?
Not personally. But a lot of my friends IRL are directly impacted, and work is getting a little jittery.
Just one example: My son's saxophone teacher is in a military marching band. He had some sort of temporary mission shift and scheduled a needed foot surgery during that window because it would allow him to recuperate before the marching had to start up again. And looks like his surgery is being cancelled because of the shutdown. So it's going to completely screw up his planning for the year and may force him to drop out of the marching band because he's got a messed up foot. There's a lot that's unknown, and it may all work out, but I've heard half a dozen similar stories from people I know. A lot of people with ties to the Federal government here. At least I'm getting a seat on the subway.
(Separate story, but I never mentioned that my neighbor across the street works on the 4th floor of the Navy Yard building where the shootings happened. He's fine, but it's been hard for him.)
At least I'm getting a seat on the subway.
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That one I went for looking for but could only find the tweet. I was walking along the corridor in the history dept today and one of the professor's doors had that as a poster :p
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Don't worry Spex, the wildfire would take care of the trash. ;)
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That is teh awsum. With extra aw.
Each of those 'people' should have been dry-fucked in the ass upon the completion of each of those statements.
And then asked if they wish to redefine the word rape, again.
Good one, Grav.
Freedom?
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That's a funny line but it gives the sense that some Republicans would prefer a strongman to an elected President.
It's been 10 years. Time for America to start another war.
It's looking like we may not start the next one.
That's a funny line but it gives the sense that some Republicans would prefer a strongman to an elected President.
How you got there from what I posted is a mystery...Is that Stranahan guy some kind of spotlit Republican or something?
Stranahan used to write for Breitbart Texas, but more importantly his quip isn't very original. It mirrors comments all over the teaparty and Republican right websites, how Obama's a pussy, Russians have no fear of or respect for Obama, if Cheney was in charge the Russians wouldn't have dared, and most stupid, we ought to go over there and kick some Russian butt.:rolleyes:
Okey dokey. I don't know what went on in Breitbart, Texas. I actively avoid all things politics, as well as televised news.
Honest to God, I just post this shit for the humor, I don't know left from right, conservative from liberal. And, worse, I don't care.
I know funny.
Gotta say, the only times I've seen the Crimea situation reported in terms of Putin 'humiliating' Obama, or the USA looking weak, were the Fox News clips I saw on the Daily Show.
The rest of the world really isn't looking at it in those terms.
Gotta say, the only times I've seen the Crimea situation reported in terms of Putin 'humiliating' Obama, or the USA looking weak, were the [COLOR="Red"]Fox News clips [/COLOR]I saw on the Daily Show.
Yeah, that's my point. :D
Grav, what you posted is not a problem, at least for myself. I figured you posted it without political intent. I was answering your question about Griff's post.
I'd hate to see another witch hunt like Merc suffered, where every post is fine tooth combed for possible political intent.
It hardly required a fine tooth comb with Merc. He had strong political views which informed much of what he posted. Nothing wrong with that - I have strong political views that inform much of what I post.
@ Grav: I don't think of you as particularly political. More of an anti-establishment type.
Okey dokey. I don't know what went on in Breitbart, Texas. I actively avoid all things politics, as well as televised news.
Honest to God, I just post this shit for the humor, I don't know left from right, conservative from liberal. And, worse, I don't care.
I know funny.
and funny it is. I shoulda taken my comment elsewhere.
and funny it is. I shoulda taken my comment elsewhere.
No, no, the comment was perfectly fine, as was Bruce's. I was only expressing my willful ignorance of politics.
I wasn't taking exception to your, or Bruce's, comment.
I'm sorry if I came across that way.
Carry on, gents.
:)
Gents? GENTS?!
Now you're just trying to pick a fight!
I was only expressing my willful ignorance of politics.
But you do know up from down.
Let them find a secret political message in that one.
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There are a number of these. It's a campaign against Rob Ford, rather than for someone else.
I've said for a long time now, you should be able to vote against a candidate, just as you can vote for a candidate.
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What you're not surprised congress has dropped to a 7% confidence?
I am, I thought they had a great confidence game going down there.
For a couple hundred years the Trilateral Commission, or the Skull&Bones, or the Bohemian Grove, or whoever's running the show, have nurtured the idea that the everyday schmuck controls the government. That congress has to keep their collective noses clean and do what the people want, or they're out on their ass... which would be cushioned by a heavily padded pension.
But then the congress members discovered the secret shortcut. Why bother trying to please millions of voters and their stoolie newspapers, when you can please a couple doners and skate. :smack:
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Are you saying Stewie loves Hilary so much that he'd catch a bullet for her?
hee
Only looks small cuz her vagina is big as a hat.
Filthy whore.
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Good one Spexx. Sounds like the discussion forum on any, and I mean ANY, CNN article.
Journalist: And the fluffy kitten was soon saved by the fireman, so the kind old lady gave 78,000 dollars to the Fire Department Fund.
Comment: It's Obama's fault
Comment: BENGHAZI
Comment: Hillary is a man
Comment: If it weren't for Obama that kitten would have never been in a tree.
Comment: What tree? No one said anything about a tree. It's just the Obama administration, with the help of the liberal media, trying to cover up the fact that there are storm drains which kittens fall into EVERY SINGLE DAY. Where's the outrage?
Comment: I'm a 'tard
Comment: FLAGGED
You get the picture.
We never see microscopes in single's bars.
Good one Spexx. Sounds like the discussion forum on any, and I mean ANY, CNN article.
Journalist: And the fluffy kitten was soon saved by the fireman, so the kind old lady gave 78,000 dollars to the Fire Department Fund.
Comment: It's Obama's fault
Comment: BENGHAZI
Comment: Hillary is a man
Comment: If it weren't for Obama that kitten would have never been in a tree.
Comment: What tree? No one said anything about a tree. It's just the Obama administration, with the help of the liberal media, trying to cover up the fact that there are storm drains which kittens fall into EVERY SINGLE DAY. Where's the outrage?
Comment: I'm a 'tard
Comment: FLAGGED
You get the picture.
Yes, I do.:thumb:
We never see microscopes in single's bars.
Wtf?
To look for the small penises. I guess.
From Spex's post a while back.
Sh-yeah, right...
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Nice try.
B.C. drops a truth-bomb.
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Bill Clinton and George Bush with Governor George Wallace at a BBQ in 1983.
What is ol' Slick Willie drinking?
I thank you.
ETA: He looks like he just smoked a fat one. But, then, he usually does.
I thank you.
ETA: He looks like he just smoked a fat one. But, then, he usually does.
Cause he usually did, without inhaling (yeah, right)
A congress is a gathering of salamanders, not snails. Those two in the comic, those are gastroplods.
Yebbut, 'at a salamander's pace' don't exactly roll off the tongue.
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Well yes, but those guys over there are wrong on this non-issue so I must correct them rather see what the politicians are up to.
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Australia, protesting the glossing over of climate change (I think).
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Too soon?
This must be photoshoped 'cause they are all full of shit.
That's totally fake. None of them are on their devices or reading anything.
Speaking of devices, is anyone else surprised at the number of people (ie greater than zero) who talk on the phone while using a public bathroom?
Edit: When I hear somebody talking on the phone in another stall, I always flush, so the person on the other end knows they are talking to somebody in the bathroom.
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Of course, they lived by the sun, not the clock. DST doesn't affect the day, it affects when in the day you do the things that are regulated by the clock.
It's all kind of crazy though. Who are they trying to make the time perfect for?
The sunrise in Eastport, ME, which is in the Eastern time zone, was 6:44 am this morning.
The sunrise in Ontonagon, MI, which is also in the Eastern time zone, was 8:14 am this morning.
Somebody is getting screwed. Not sure who.
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It's all kind of crazy though. Who are they trying to make the time perfect for?
The sunrise in Eastport, ME, which is in the Eastern time zone, was 6:44 am this morning.
The sunrise in Ontonagon, MI, which is also in the Eastern time zone, was 8:14 am this morning.
Somebody is getting screwed. Not sure who.
My sleep cycle for one. If it is so awesome move it ahead and leave it.
heart attacks
car crashes
workplace accidents
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Somebody at MAD Magazine needs to look at a map.
The lesbian buffalo is sprinting towards Illinois, not Ohio, which is in the opposite direction.
Maybe lesbian buffalo sprint backwards, IDK.
Maybe it's the Canadian view. :p:
If we orient the image to a map in which north is up, with the depicted setting sun (in the west) to the left, it looks more like lesbian buffalo is on it's way to Kentucky:
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I'm not a buffalo gynecologist, but, I'll take a look.
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And now a couple of Thug Life videos :)
These are worth watching to get a sense of the .....robust nature of PMQs
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As does this - someone's favourite moments from the HoC: some quite funny moments. Taken from different eras.
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The trouble with PMQs, as is pretty self-evident, is that it has long since ceased to be an opportunity for the PM and his/her Government to be held to account and become just a cynical point scoring exercise by all concerned.
It's probably a safe bet that before TV coverage of Parliament it was a fairly civilised process, but when you cram that many Type A personalities, each with a mighty ego, into a confined space before the Nation's gaze, it's unlikely to be mistaken for a vicarage tea party.
That said, I've always liked Stephen Pound, (at about 1.00 in the first video) who doesn't seem to take himself, or anything else, seriously.
Dennis Skinner, it's fair to say, is never going to be mistaken for a man who has just put down his copy of Debrett's Etiquette, but he speaks with passion and commitment and I admire him for that.
He's now eighty-three and I thought that he would have retired but he's just been re-elected.
The trouble with PMQs, as is pretty self-evident, is that it has long since ceased to be an opportunity for the PM and his/her Government to be held to account and become just a cynical point scoring exercise by all concerned.
It's probably a safe bet that before TV coverage of Parliament it was a fairly civilised process, but when you cram that many Type A personalities, each with a mighty ego, into a confined space before the Nation's gaze, it's unlikely to be mistaken for a vicarage tea party.
Whilst I agree with the first point - from what I have read, TV coverage has, if anything, softened things in many ways. Parliamentary debate, and PMQs in particular have always been vicious and the parties have always expressed their allegiances through mockery and jeering of the opposition.
Dennis Skinner, it's fair to say, is never going to be mistaken for a man who has just put down his copy of Debrett's Etiquette, but he speaks with passion and commitment and I admire him for that.
He's now eighty-three and I thought that he would have retired but he's just been re-elected.
I love Skinner. One of the politicians I most admire. Met him once - lovely bloke. Very charismatic in person.
Talking of which - it's funny how TV can affect levels of charisma. Gordon Brown came across quite flat on tv - but when he walked into a hall full of people, it was like a charge went through the room - that man exuded presence and charisma.
I came in here to post some more funny vids. Some Daily Show coverage of the British elections that I found hilarious. It's always interesting viewing our country* through someone else's eyes.
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I adore Jordan Klepper. This on the ground report on the election process made choke on my coffee.
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it does make me chuckle that one of the defining features of British culture when viewed from outside is our tendency to swear.
Something which Matt Leblanc also pointed out from his time in Britain.
This Rand Paul ad for 2016 is off the wall ...
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I can't play the clip as am currently on my home-telesales shift.....but....is that a pic of an American Eagle breathing fire?
Yes, fire, lot's of fire. "Published" by America's Liberty PAC, for emotional/intellectual adolescents.
I'm gonna have to dig out some of our party political broadcasts for you guys to see :P
Yes, fire, lot's of fire. "Published" by America's Liberty PAC, for emotional/intellectual adolescents.
Or, perhaps,
humor.
That would be my thought if it weren't for Rand's supporters.
:D
...and for your top pic, may I suggest a title...
" Which one of people is not like the others ? "
" Which one of people is not like the others ? "
Hmmm...
Creator's answer: None, the point of the ad is probably to say Christ Christie is "Not a true republican". If you thought it's Christ, you are a traitor to the GOP. May the elephant weight's crush you. You see what I did there? Yes, see this is how I made an attack ad that only sends you the right message if you have the biases of the audience for the attack ads... Clever right? That's why I don't get fooled by global warming propaganda from "Science".
Liberal answer: None. I mean Chris Christie. Because he is the only one who identifies as male fro birth. Except it doesn't matter, so none. But not not mattering in the sense that gender identity isn't a thing we acknowledge, so it does. But wait, trans-racial? That's new... Is Rachel Dolezal the exception? Where is the new nouns dictionary?! I don't want to offend transracials, but she's stealing a minority's racial identity. What if she says the N word?! What to think... Someone please, what should I think?!
Christ Christie supporters answer: Is this because they are skinny? Are you making fun of his weight? You should be ashamed of yourself! Don't look so skin deep, It's whats on the inside that counts. Wait isn't that the broad that thought she was black? She cracks me up!
This is probably me stupidly explaining the joke, but...
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John Oliver does that as a running joke on Last Week Tonight.
The Wall Street Journal published this in an article about tax increases, in January of 2013, without a hint of irony. I guess that's how they view we the people.
Ummmm... xoB, I don't understand that post at all, and there's no link.
Ummmm... xoB, I don't understand that post at all, and there's no link.
You don't see the irony?
Single parent, 2 kids ~ Income $260,000+$40,000 ~ $35,000 Investment income
Retired couple ~ Income $180,000+$25,000 ~ $53,000 Investment income
Single person ~ Income $230,000+$35,000 ~ $25,000 Investment income
Married couple, 4 kids ~ Income $650,000+$70,000 ~ $180,000 Investment income
Who are these sad and forlorn looking people, sure as hell nobody I know.
$25,000 to $53,000 investment income would indicate a half million invested, and $180,000 would indicate a million.
Not in my world. :facepalm:
I tripped over the incomes, too. That ain't happening in my world, either.
Speaking of my world, my personal economy must be bouncing back...It's a week into August , and, I'm still spending July.
Let's go get [strike]drunk[/strike] broke...Whatever.
The Wall Street Journal published this in an article about tax increases,
in January of 2013, without a hint of irony. I guess that's how they view we the people.
OK, I've read thru the article (one time), and it's obvious the slant of the article
is talking about the "misfortunes" of families and individuals who have significant annual incomes.
Personally, I don't feel badly for any family earning over $100k/yr, particluarly about ~1% tax increases.
The insulting thing for me is the artwork in the pic where
the single parent looks so sad with $260k,
the retired couple appears non-white with no increase in taxes
... (you know "those people" always get the breaks)... ,
and the white family-of-4 looks so sad with $650,000 annual income.
... (and you know it's the single Asian women who are in those jobs to earn big-time)
As said above, I don't feel at all badly for anyone earning $100k+/yr over such tax increases.
But such is the world of the WSJ...
Canada does it different.
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"Wyatt Scott...Frickin' laser beams, eh?"
French train officials: Run away! Run away!
Merkins on the train: Beat that motherfucker's ass!!!
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Team Murica, Fuck Yeah!
:devil:
Americans Anthony Sadler and Alek Skarlatos,
and Briton Chris Norman, received medals for their bravery.
BBCMr Norman told reporters on Saturday that he initially hid when he saw the gunman running down the aisle, before deciding that "perhaps the only chance was to act as a team".
Typical Brit, slow to provoke, then lookout for your ass 'cause it's gonna get a whuppin'. :haha:
Kickass gents one and all!
From this morning's edition of the Sunday Telegraph.
Amorphophallus titanum trumpeii
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Whutnow? Sumpin' 'bout giants?
Trump has a giant malformed penis?
Whatthefuckdoesthatsay?!
I guess it's not funny if you have to explain it.
Anyway... here's the video... reminded me of Donald's hair
“It gets stronger the worse it acts”
Amorphophallus titanum stands three metres tall and can take 30 years to blossom Thanks, Lamp.
I figured it was over my head.
And GoogleTranslate didn't know what to make of it.
Kanye, Kayne, he's our man, if he can do, anyone can. :eyebrow:
That guy shoulda ran down the crack of his mama's ass and became a brown stain on the mattress.
Kim's supporters... "Intolerance is a beautiful thing" is the one that got me. :eek:
Particularly standing next to someone wearing a shirt that proclaims Jesus to be their standard.
My recollection of Jesus' teachings is a little shaky - but they seem to have read a whole other set of parables to the ones I was taught.
Me too.
And I was raised a practicing Catholic, educated by Nuns and by parents who read the Daily Express FFS.
The justification they dredge up for their hate is all old testament, the stuff Jesus said to forget about, and replace it with Love thy neighbor as thyself. Guess they haven't got that far in their bible, maybe because they're too busy telling other people what to do. :rolleyes:
Damn ... some peeps just ought to stay home - if they have one.
I always forget how fucked up Freddie Mercury's teeth were...
I'm told this is a funny political picture. Maybe it's just politics that are funny.
Ooow that mouth, giving me a stffy, just sliiddde it in... WAIT, there's teeth in there!
Damn politicians. :eyebrow:
only in your imagination. Trump is *all* bark, no bite.
He's got a purty mouth.
And, possibly, Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
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Funny Political pictures. Well it's funny peculiar, just not funny ha ha. :p:
He's a time traveler, and wants to take the whole country with him. :eek:
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Arguing begins at 3:30pm, central time.
I'm late to the party (PST)
I did feel for him in that 1-day video marathon.
He obviously was so disgusted with his situation.
That's all well and good, but who the fuck is it?
That's all well and good, but who the fuck is it?
Rand Paul
Apparently shooting a picture of a clown in the face multiple times.
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I wouldn't know a liberal from a slice of fried liver, but, I thought it was funny.
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Read from the bottom up.
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The
Guardian has a picture tour of Ben Carson's house, showing all the "art" including this one. :haha:
Disney knew the score. The operator looks like he's nervously watching the Secret Service for the signal. Julie wants to know why the fuck they aren't moving.
And Chamberlain couldn't be wrong. :lol2:
Daily Show on the 9/11 First Responders healthcare issue:
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Apparently, Mitch McConnell is the main sticking point now. That clip doesn't show the follow up where one of the first responders, who was part of the original Daily Show discussion panel in 2010, had a conversation with Jon Stewart. Really moving.
I like the hashtag they've suggested: #worstresponders
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The playground panel is my favorite.
This tweet is rolling along on Tumblr with no disclaimer, even though it's absolute bullshit.
It appears there are left wingers who are perfectly happy to pass along anything bad about the other side without checking, or caring, about truth.
Any politician, or politician-backer is perfectly willing to spew any kind or amount of bullshit about the competition with no compunctions whatsoever.
As long as it divides "Them" from "Us", that's all anybody really cares about.
And look at Little Donny Trump!!
He's so young he hasn't developed jowls, yet.
He's got the dead eyes though already.
This tweet is rolling along on Tumblr with no disclaimer, even though it's absolute bullshit.
It appears there are left wingers who are perfectly happy to pass along anything bad about the other side without checking, or caring, about truth.
Yeah. I can't believe that Kenyan, muslim, satan-worshipping socialist president of ours.
Thanks, Obama!
I've been wondering for a while about Trump and why he's in this race.
I believe that Trump loves closing deals. He loves winning. He loves the thrill of the chase. I believe, however, that he hates the nitty gritty of running a business. When he sets up every new business, he puts someone else in charge of it. He doesn't like the actual work. That's for other people. He closes the deal, and hands that sucker off, and moves on to the next deal.
He wants to win the election. It's genuine. It's the ultimate victory. President!
I don't think he's fully realized yet that if he wins this one, he can't just hand it off to someone else to run. He can delegate a lot, but still has to be present every single day.
So I can see Trump eventually walking away from the job. Not under a scandal. Not from being impeached. Just because he got tired of having to work every day. His running mate will be important.
Maybe Trump finds a good manager for the day to day. That doesn't sound that bad.
Maybe Trump finds a good manager for the day to day.
I thought all day to day operations were his mouth? Who manages that? Some are managing to put up with it.
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What can we do to lesser the grip of fear of terrorism?
Unfortunately, that is why so many fear terrorists. The emotional fear when factual, honest, and therefore patriotic sources are ignored.
Who is a greatest threat to your life and well being? A perfect example is Shkreli. How many turned off their TV and therefore do not know who he is? Shkreli is a greater threat than Saddam ever was.
BTW Shkreli is doing exactly what is taught in business schools. Maximize profits. Maybe his next company will sell lead pipe.
What happened to all those experts who knew this was going to be a Hilary Clinton - Jeb Bush sweep? They forgot to ignore all presidential politics until after the Super Bowl.
Then we can ignore Brady's deflate bowl.
Pre-caucus campaign in Iowa.
Further evidence that the parties have switched.
Here's a
political cartoon against Lincoln:
Aaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!
I didn't know James Carville was running for anything.
Given that Mr Carville is a Democrat, and Mrs Carville is a Republican, I've always wondered what they talk about at breakfast.:confused::confused:
How much they hate Trump.
Given that Mr Carville is a Democrat, and Mrs Carville is a Republican, I've always wondered what they talk about at breakfast.
Sex.
That is what politicians really want.
How much they hate Trump.
In the event of Mr Trump being handed the keys to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, will they have to create a new position of 'First Wig', or perhaps 'First Thatch'?
If its Hilary or The Donald, then a new White House position will be created called the Presidental Hair Dresser.
If its Hilary or The Donald, then a new White House position will be created called the Presidental Hair Wrangler.
Fixed :P
In the event of Mr Trump being handed the keys to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, will they have to create a new position of 'First Wig', or perhaps 'First Thatch'?
If its Hilary or The Donald, then a new White House position will be created called the Presidental Hair Wrangler.
Fixed :P
Position: Thatcher
Prerequisites: First name - Margaret
Does Donald Trump get his hair from his own private orangutans, or does he outsource from zoos?
I have thick hair like that. When I was a kid people were always asking me "Where did you get that hair? My father taught me to reply "It came with the head." :)
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Ohhh, that one really pisses me off.* That's one of those ones that just adds to the little knot of anger deep inside.
Most of the stuff that you post in here punches up. That punches down.
*Just for clarity: the cartoon pisses me off, you do not.
There's nothing I can do about any of that shit over there, but laugh.
There's nothing I can do about the illegal immigrants here, but laugh.
So, that's what I do.
Sorry it pissed you off.:neutral:
All those no wars should also say no cash.
And for many - no work.
If I had to leave my country in order to survive, I'd probably want to try and get to somewhere where there was employment and a potential future, and maybe even people who didn't want to spit on me and kick me straight back out of their country.
Add 'Uncompromising hostility' to many of those countries.
Sorry it pissed you off.
;p
There are so many misconcenptions about refugees, and the media is saturated with anti-refugee and anti-immigrant rhetoric. So much of what I hear and read stuns me with its lack of empathy and humanity. If someone we knew, who we cared for were tomake a journey that long to save their families, moved heaven and earth and poured everything they had into making it happen, we'd admire them. But these strangers do what mos6 of us would find impossible, risk themselves in ways most of us cannot truly imagine and hopefully will never have to experience, and we dismiss them with a contemptuous nod at their money-grubbing motives.
I don't know how prevalent that sort of thing is over there, but here it's poisoned the whole fucking well. I get tired of seeing the world's most vulnerable people as the butt of the joke.
I shall now step off my high horse and cease contaminating this thread with teh serius
Your country's stance is better than ours.
We should be assessing their refugee status not only as individuals; but, as a collective. If their numbers are sufficient to fight for their own country, even a long term struggle beginning with an underground war; then, we should support them there. Only if their numbers don't reach the threshold for eventual self determination should we bring them here.
We send mixed messages. We tell people that we'll help them whether they stay and fight for their own country; or, run away ... and leave it up to them. It undermines our objectives for that country by undermining those who stay and fight through our two faced intervention causing attrition as we tempt desertion from their cause.
We do this for our own domestic political correctness, to appease a populace that takes its entitlements for granted having become too far removed from what it took this country to get to where it is now.
From here, it looks like your country is lucky to have those with your perspective in the minority.
I don't know how prevalent that sort of thing is over there, but here it's poisoned the whole fucking well. I get tired of seeing the world's most vulnerable people as the butt of the joke.
I have no such sympathy. I really don't care whether they are vulnerable or not. We know those immigrants (legal and illegal) are the source of most new companies. Innovation, creativity, the advancement of mankind, wealth, national strength, and growth come predominately from those immigrants.
Least productive citizens are those same people so racist as to demean immigrants (legal or illegal) so as to protect their egos.
Others see hate when viewing immigrants. Actually they see a threat since those immigrants will even become their bosses. I see America's greatest assets. But then I am not emotional like the many who promote hate - who are so poorly educated as to poison the well.
I agree - but let's be clear: these are not 'immigrants' they are refugees. I call them the most vulnerable, because they are fleeing for their very survival, with what they can carry on their backs. They are the victims of a catastrophic civil war, whose plight is at least in part the result of western policies in their region. And even if that war had fuck all to do with us, as human beings we should at the very least be capable of empathising with their suffering, not mocking them for the crime of being desperate.
They're mocked because they're running away.
Don't tell me you've never heard the expression: Joke 'em if they can't take a fuck.
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The new Republican flag for the White House...
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♪ ♫My flag's got 'em♪ ♫
Hitler Reacts to Donald Trump Running for President
Well at least he cannot rise from his grave. So we need not worry about another illegal alien sneaking into this country to vote.
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Get ready...
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Do they do franchises? I could make a mint over here flogging policies to the electorate next time around.
My god, that could lead to people saying I want my Nickelback, causing them to top the charts, and distort elevator music forever.
Wrong.
Cruz is a 9th level MASTER PINHEAD. That other guy, if you gotta wax your hair up like that to get your message across, you're trying too hard. All Cruz has to do is open his mouth, you don't even have to see him.
Christie makes a great Blueberry.
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Why the yelling? We're right here.:p:
Finally, jaywalkers are rightly punished.
A message from the Queen…
To the citizens of the United States of America from Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.
In light of your failure to nominate competent candidates for President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately.
Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (except North Dakota, which she does not fancy).
Your new Prime Minister, David Cameron, will appoint a Governor for America without the need for further elections.
Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed.
To aid in the transition to a British Crown dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:
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1. The letter ‘U’ will be reinstated in words such as ‘colour,’ ‘favour,’ ‘labour’ and ‘neighbour.’ Likewise, you will learn to spell ‘doughnut’ without skipping half the letters, and the suffix ‘-ize’ will be replaced by the suffix ‘-ise.’ Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. (look up ‘vocabulary’).
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2. Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as ”like’ and ‘you know’ is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. There is no such thing as U.S. English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take into account the reinstated letter ‘u” and the elimination of ‘-ize.’
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3. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday.
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4. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers, or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you’re not quite ready to be independent. Guns should only be used for shooting grouse. If you can’t sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist, then you’re not ready to shoot grouse.
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5. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. Although a permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.
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6. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left side with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.
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7. The former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling gasoline) of roughly $10/US gallon. Get used to it.
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8. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with catsup but with vinegar.
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9. The cold, tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. South African beer is also acceptable, as they are pound for pound the greatest sporting nation on earth and it can only be due to the beer. They are also part of the British Commonwealth – see what it did for them. American brands will be referred to as Near-Frozen Gnat’s Urine, so that all can be sold without risk of further confusion.
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10. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys. Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play English characters. Watching Andie Macdowell attempt English dialect in Four Weddings and a Funeral was an experience akin to having one’s ears removed with a cheese grater.
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11. You will cease playing American football. There is only one kind of proper football; you call it soccer. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like a bunch of nancies).
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12. Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the World Series for a game which is not played outside of America. Since only 2.1% of you are aware there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable. You will learn cricket, and we will let you face the South Africans first to take the sting out of their deliveries.
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13. You must tell us who killed JFK. It’s been driving us mad.
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14. An internal revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her Majesty’s Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all monies due (backdated to 1776).
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15. Daily Tea Time begins promptly at 4 p.m. with proper cups, with saucers, and never mugs, with high quality biscuits (cookies) and cakes; plus strawberries (with cream) when in season.
God Save the Queen!
Are they still called 'crisps' after they're no longer crisp?
Will I need a different permit to carry my vegetable peeler concealed?
We'll always be walking to the wrong side of the car to get in and drive, so, I'm buying stock in shoe companies and cobblers.
We're gonna have LOTS of trouble with #4.
4. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers, or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you’re not quite ready to be independent. Guns should only be used for shooting grouse, or the French. If you can’t sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist, then you’re not ready to shoot grouse, or the French.
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1. The letter ‘U’ will be reinstated in words such as ‘colour,’ ‘favour,’ ‘labour’ and ‘neighbour.’ Likewise, you will learn to spell ‘doughnut’ without skipping half the letters, and the suffix ‘-ize’ will be replaced by the suffix ‘-ise.’ Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. (look up ‘vocabulary’).
Lououk up voucabulary.
Lououk ughp voucaebulairy
4. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers, or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you’re not quite ready to be independent. Guns should only be used for shooting grouse, haggis, or the French. If you can’t sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist, then you’re not ready to shoot grouse, haggis, or the French.
I edited Dana's edit.
"Hould my Near-Frouzen Gnat's Urine and watch this."
...
Hahahahaha, you almoust had me! Yo're so funny!
"I'm Batshit Insane, and I approve this message."
I'd vote for that ticket.
Which one is the used car salesman?
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The Prime Minister stunned staff at Witney Used Car Centre in Minster Lovell, Oxfordshire, when he pitched up to check out a vehicle he'd spotted.
Owner Iain Harris was even more surprised when, instead of opting for one of the more expensive cars on the forecourt, Mr Cameron selected a 2004 blue Nissan Micra costing less than £1,500 that has clocked up almost 93,000 miles.
'It was totally surreal,' Mr Harris said. 'I got a call on Friday night to say that the Prime Minister was on his way round to look at one of our cars. I thought it was one of my mates, winding me up.
I bet they both counted their fingers after that handshake. ;)
Daily Mail It's inevitable.
Unless it isn't.
I saw a poll that had Trump over Hillary, now that Republicans have accepted the reality of their nominee. If the gap widens, and Bernie can still beat him, will they choose him after all, or gamble everything?
Hillary's people are betting that Bernie's folk will vote for criminality over hate. His people remain engaged but Hillary's war-mongering is a problem for many. Is it possible they vote for down-ticket dems and flip Libertarian/ Green for the President?
Hillary's people are betting that Bernie's folk will vote for criminality over hate.
They will.
Why won't Bernie's folk just write him in and to hell with Hillary?
Because we're actually writing in Henry Rollins?
You mean Bernie's not going to be running for VP?
I would guess he's just trying to get some uncomfortable things in the platform and then it's back to the Senate to push those things.
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There is so much truth in the
Scarfolk logic it's painful.
Research into confirmation bias at Scarfolk University in 1973 showed that 87% of people will not deviate from their beliefs, no matter how much counter evidence is presented to them. However, the study found that the figure drops considerably if torture is used, with more than 50% of subjects losing all their beliefs, largely because their brains stop functioning during the study.
These findings demonstrated to the government that informing citizens and giving them a choice is futile because they've already made up their minds, often basing their decisions on irrelevant, whimsical criteria such as whether a politcian's eyes are too close together, his choice of football team, or if he took an active part in the unwarranted decimation and exploitation of a foreign nation for personal financial gain.
By the mid-1970s the government had vastly overspent on citizen persecution and "physical coercion" and no longer had the resources to enforce the election and referendum outcomes it desired. It felt that the only way forward was simply to "remove those limiting aspects of the democratic process which give citizens a say in the running of the country". Consequently, a referendum was set for early 1975 and the public was politely encouraged to ban the right to vote and give itself over to iron-handed totalitarian rule.
He's got his priorities straight...
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This first surfaced during the 2010 general election but is particularly apt for last week's referendum.
...walls is what kilt Dale Earnhardt.
:lol2:
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Yeah, I poked ya. What are ya gonna do about it? Stab me in my---OOOWWWW!!!!
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Yeah, I poked ya. What are ya gonna do about it? Stab me in my---OOOWWWW!!!!
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Offensive rubbish!
It was three-quarters.
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Ahhh, remember the little lies? Those were the days.
Doesn't mean she couldn't have been named after him...He was a living person before he climbed Mt. Everest...
Weird to use Trump of all people as a proxy to accuse Hillary of lying.
Why? You think he lies any more than her? Spare me.
By the way - ITS A FUCKING JOKE.
Heh, that's funny.
Right up until it's not.
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Why? You think he lies any more than her? Spare me.
By orders of magnitude.
They're both politicians.
If their mouths are moving they're lying.
Trump is closer to that hyperbole than any other politician.
By orders of magnitude.
Bwahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
This post in no way implies an opinion of any kind, other than "I think this is funny.". Which is what this thread is about.
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A penny saved, is a penny...
which Donald Trump is that? The one we all know does not smile.
Look after the pennies and the Pounds will look after themselves. ;)
I miss Spy Magazine. I never bought an issue, but it was always neat to see them on the rack.
which Donald Trump is that? The one we all know does not smile.
Well, he
did just make 13 cents.
Well, he did just make 13 cents.
Which assistant counts pennies for him? Can one get fired for miscounting?
Not if you make the mistake in his favor.;)
Old news. Like, REALLY old.
Besides, how do you think he got to be so rich? I pick up pennies in parking lots and check couches all the time! Just $999,999,974.81 until my first billion!
I loved SPY, I used to read it all the time. They almost never failed to refer to Trump as "that short fingered vulgarian."
Old news. Like, REALLY old.
Besides, how do you think he got to be so rich? I pick up pennies in parking lots and check couches all the time! Just $999,999,974.81 until my first billion!
That's kinda what I tell people...If ya don't start somewhere, you'll never get there.
It seems like I'm picking on Hillary, but, I just run across these things. Really.
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If you think about it, though, it's more like he has continually chosen her over the other women, unless maybe she has something so devastating on him that he couldn't divorce her even if he wanted to. She was once overheard telling him, as he flirted with some small group of women, "You can't fuck them all in the hallway, Bill." It ain't hurtful if she doesn't give a damn. Meanwhile for all you know, she has a dozen fuckboys at her beck and call as well, she's just not so stupid as to keep getting caught. Studies have shown that married women admit to cheating at almost the same rate as men, but somehow it's only ever men standing at that podium with their lips pursed in a public display of regret.
If you think about it, though, it's more like he has continually chosen her over the other women, unless maybe she has something so devastating on him that he couldn't divorce her even if he wanted to. She was once overheard telling him, as he flirted with some small group of women, "You can't fuck them all in the hallway, Bill." It ain't hurtful if she doesn't give a damn. Meanwhile for all you know, she has a dozen fuckgirls at her beck and call as well, she's just not so stupid as to keep getting caught. Studies have shown that married women admit to cheating at almost the same rate as men, but somehow it's only ever men standing at that podium with their lips pursed in a public display of regret.
So I've heard.
I found this prize in Sean Hannity's twitter feed. By far the best thing I've every gotten from the attention I pay him.
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Another reason I'm With Her!
second verse, same as the first, but this time with MUSIC!
Maestro, if you please.
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... and a couple for team D.
They're letting Putin adopt him..
The man speaks the truth:
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I was gonna suggest they look for Kumbuka at Piccadilly Circus...
I was gonna suggest they look for Kumbuka at Piccadilly Circus...
Not beyond the bounds of possibility.
It's two stops on the Bakerloo Line and I believe primates have concessionary fares after 1600. ;)
I just saw Trump and Hillary referred to as 'Ritchie Rich' and 'Bitchie Bitch'.
:lol2:
I just saw Trump and Hillary referred to as 'Ritchie Rich' and 'Bitchie Bitch'.
:lol2:
I saw the choice of candidates described as 'the liar, or the hair'.
The whole process, especially in the last few weeks, has been a pretty ugly spectacle, hasn't it?
Only eighteen more days to go and it's all over.
Just hope and pray that there are no hanging chads to upset the apple cart!
Oh, if there's a hanging chad to be found this year, believe you me, someone will find it. It would be the answer to some voters' prayers.
Chad can't even vote, but it wouldn't surprise me if they are counted. Never know with electronic voting. :(
... hopefully.
I'm dreaming that he will fade away into obscurity.
His new thing is he's going to start a TV channel called Trump TV. You seriously have to check out the current site:
www.trump.tvuhhh ... do I really want to see that?
Hook, line, and sinker...:facepalm:
Here's an old one, but just look at those expressions.
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I remember that pic. Loved it.
Here's an old one, but just look at those expressions.
Republican voters?
It's the Secret Service Men, just out of the frame, that cause those expressions.
Glatt, that is me in the middle and my two sons. They are thinking about who gets sloppy thirds.
tarheel
I eagerly await similar charts for:
(a) Democrats on Mescaline and,
(b) Republicans on Mescaline.
Something there for the pollsters to get their teeth into.
Saaaaay, that picture looks
familiar.
A few from the Weiner file.
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Texas politics is crazy right now. I don't know if it's like this everywhere in the country, but there are no national yard signs here. None. Some big roadside signs for both sides, both frequently vandalized. There are a handful of local-race yard signs and bumper stickers, but not many. They talk about Texas swinging blue, but I don't think it will happen when push comes to shove in the voting booth. At any rate, this guy has the right tone. I bet this ad wins it for him.
My area seems really quiet also. Guess no one wants to openly support these shitty people. Just my take.
My area is all Trumps signs, people are openly supporting a shitty candidate. The Hillary crowd at least feel shame but they'll still vote for her. What a train wreck.
This bumper sticker came in the mail. I'll have to figure out which local politician's car to slap it on election day. They're all republicans.
Not a lot of nat'l signs around here, either.
Trump signs out the wazoo around here. Because Ohio. I'm like: and you're proud enough of that to put out yard signs?
I'm frightened and cold.
There are a bunch of signs for both sides around here. Very little vandalism, and no shooting Yet.
Phuck stop signs. A twelve guage double barrel makes quick work of a Hillary sign.
tarheel
It crossed my mind that we should have a for fun charity target shoot for all the political signs followed by a bonfire to call this election over. But guns and politics...
Not a lot of signs around here at all. We drove out of the city to Charlottesville on Saturday and the number of Trump signs increased dramatically as I left the Beltway behind me. Once we got to Charlottesville, (a big university town) there were a few Clinton signs here and there as well, but it was all Trump in the rural area between here and there.
I wasn't surprised, but my wife was horrified as we saw each one. And in those rural areas, they aren't little 12'' by 18" yard signs, they are more like billboards. 6 feet by 10 feet so you can see them as you fly by.
Horrified? Seriously? By a sign? Surely you exaggerate.
Horrified? Seriously? By a sign? Surely you exaggerate.
Horrified that so many Americans are so easily brainwashed as to even vote for Berlusconi for President. Since bullies who promote hate are popular.
It was interesting watching it happen. There were no signs, then some asshole put them in my Dad's yard, I pulled them, then it turned out the asshole was my Dad, now they're somehow normalized and fucking everywhere.
I know he isn't Mr. Adolf Hitler but right wing populism is a dangerous little corner of the market. Did you notice they let Bundy skate? I wonder if that was a safety valve or if it will embolden them?
Obamacare is hitting people hard in the rural areas. My oldest son pays $800 a month with a $5000 deductible. It is scheduled to rise 22%. He has joined the ranks of the uninsured. Country people fear more of the same if Hillary is elected. Some who are poor pay as little as $50. That is still hard to pay if one has little money.
tarheel
Horrified? Seriously? By a sign? Surely you exaggerate.
Well, that was the word she used.
Obamacare is hitting people hard in the rural areas.
Never forget why all insurance (Obamacare and all other types) must increase massively. For exampole, wacko extremists encouraged drug companies to massively increase their prices. Exact same drugs, sold in Mexico and Canada, cannot be purchased by Americans. Wacko extremists called that health care reform. All drug prices are increasing massively to increase profit margins. Who pays? Insurance companies - and therefore consumers.
A 600% price increase for Epipens is a worse case and typical example of what has been encouraged by a greatest enemy - wacko extremists that dominated a George Jr administration.
In other and therefore productive industries, product costs decrease with time. That product is expensive early on to pay for R&D. In productive industries, costs go down as innovation makes a product less expensive. And since R&D has been paid for. When costs start to increase, then a product has been obsoleted by the next innovation.
But drug companies are encouraged by brainwashed consumers and laws in early 2000 to increase prices every year. After R&D is paid for, prices should drop. As manufacturing improves with innovation, prices should drop. But drug companies have been told by George Jr and current extremists in government to increase profit margins - and pay top executives exorbitantly.
Did you encourage this public rape by not addressing the problem? Did you encourage high medical costs by ignoring why medical costs increase massively? Innovation means costs decrease.
42 major drug companies existed. Each had about seven drugs in the innovation pipeline. Today, enemies of the American public have merged these into 13 companies. Each has only three drugs in development. That also means cost increases. Their management comes from business schools - not medicine. So your insurance costs must increase.
Taught in business schools: enrich the central committee of the Communist party - also called top management. It can only happen when consumers remain brainwashed by wacko extremist talk show hosts. Who do not bother to learn why insurance coverage must keep increasing. Who only blame what extremist talk show hosts tell them to blame.
If you buy drugs for 40% less in Mexico or Canada, extremist changed laws so that you are a criminal. If you do not know that, then you have not yet learned enough to have an opinion or cast blame.
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TAKE IT ELSEWHERE!!!! This is the FUNNY thread. :yelsick:
This is the FUNNY thread.
And you are the clown.
Under Obama, there has been a severe shortage of nudy bars.
^ When you aren't sure your wife is voting for you. ^
Maybe he forgot who he was suppose to vote for? So he is doing what he always did in school.
The winner of our office Halloween fancy dress competition (one of my team mates - Go Lucy, Go Lucy!)
:rofl:
Oh, that mouthy heifer is far from out of business...
Welcome to the world, Michelle.
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Oh damn, I'm crying...:lol2:
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He's a liar.
He's a thief.
He Scotch Tapes his tie!
He's a liar.
He's a thief.
He Scotch Tapes his tie!
That's his motorsickle-ridin' face.
We are pure as the driven snow...
I'm not surprised at all. And this is only 2 generations back!
Sheldon, missed you man. :beer:
This, from a Swiss newspaper...
Missed you guys too! Here's a meme I created:
Also stole from Bane in "The Dark Night Rises":
Now, was Nixon a hand tool?
This is not an expression of my opinion, it's an expression of humor:
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And this is how it happened:
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This is the first pic in The Chain Of Command:
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I like the role of the Sargent Major.
The draft dodger in chief, less.
This is not an expression of my opinion, it's an expression of humor:
Actually, it's an expression of truth. :yesnod:
Hey, the eagle with the automatic rifle, that's CLASSIFIED!
My favorite sign at the Women' March in Los Angeles on Saturday:
Hehehehehehe. I like that.
I guess that biker loves Trump's hate.
The Dutch weigh in....
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Instead of building a wall, why doesn't Trump just buy The Great Wall. It'd prolly be cheap as hell, too, cuz it was made in China.
We'll probably need a lot more!
My fav protest sign of the day
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That bottom one is excellent.
I had to explain almost every single word of that one to the parents.
Not today Motherfucker!
Love it.
Uncle Scrooge one is pretty good too.
My fav video for today - Liberal Red Neck Muslim Ban
https://youtu.be/o22OVZOx8-sExcellent video MM, right in my wheelhouse.
Not funny, but chilling.
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Yes chilling because it ticks off so many boxes. 1984 is late, but that doesn't mean it's not coming. :unsure:
What we're seeing now is the carefully orchestrated building of the paranoia necessary to implement it.
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He got Trump wings.
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the fewer - hahahahahahah. I like that one
My fav video for today - Liberal Red Neck Muslim Ban
https://youtu.be/o22OVZOx8-s
You're two for two.
Brava!
You're two for two.
Brava!
I'll show you mine if you show me yours! ;)
Hey, I'll take that offer, you'd have a good laugh. :blush:
From a Turkish newspaper...
Hey, I'll take that offer, you'd have a good laugh. :blush:
Hah! I bet we BOTH would have a good laugh! (so many men, so little time) :juggle: ;)
My fav image from today's protest (2/1/17)
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Hiya Shel!
How's things?
Howdy Grav! Aside from the "we're all gonna die thanks to Trump" thing, doing well, thanks!
How about you?
Howdy Grav! Aside from the "we're all gonna die thanks to Trump" thing, doing well, thanks!
How about you?
Better than I deserve.:)
I notice the post above this one is by Gravdigr who apparently lives in central Kentucky? I am so sorry for what your state went through during the Bowling Green Massacre. I hope you and your friends and family have recovered from the horror of it all. Here's a picture of the Memorial Plaque which has just been set up in what is left of downtown Bowling Green:
Saywhutwhohuh?
It was a horrific event that occurred in Bowling Green, KY sometime during Obama's first term in office. To the ever-lasting shame of the former president and the Democratic party it was quickly covered up by a Presidential gag order that cowed even Fox from reporting the story. But the truth shall set us free, and we now know that Bowling Green suffered a major terrorist attack second only to Santa Ana's attack on the Alamo (another battle where many Kentuckians fought and died, btw). While the citizens of Bowling Green fought back bravely, 1,000's were killed and many more were seriously injured. Homeland Security came to Bowling Green's aid too late to save the city from destruction. Many feel that the DHS was hamstrung by a secret ops move in which the CIA was a major player at the behest of Obama and Joe Biden. The real truth may take years to be revealed since the FBI put all Bowling Green survivors into a witness protection program somewhere deep in the Eastern Kentucky Mountains. Veterans of Bowling Green remain in a secret location that some claim is near Harlan County, drinking shine, learning how to play the banjo, and attending the bluegrass open mike night at the "You Ain't Nothing But a [expletive redacted] Lounge" in downtown Goldbug, KY.
Perhaps Mr. Gravdigr will be along to explain this to you further, since we don't get much reliable information here in New Mexico what with the illegals running most of our news and social media and using Spanish instead of English to explain alternative facts. These are dark days we now live in...
What massacre do you think she was really referencing?
None, there was a Bowling Green case, but no massacre, and it was covered by the news.
What massacre do you think she was really referencing?
I don't have the faintest idea, but her comments certainly gave her 24 hours of fame on the Internet where people posted about their own "memories" of Bowling Green and fleshed out the story with many alternative facts of their own. She retracted her statement late yesterday, I believe. :eyebrow: If nothing else the current administration is going to give us all a chance to indulge in quite a bit of black humor. More
HERE and about 100,000 other places on the Net.
BTW, nice one xoxo Bruce! :D
"I bet it's brand new information to people that President Obama had a six-month ban on the Iraqi refugee program after two Iraqis came here to this country, were radicalized and they were the masterminds behind the Bowling Green Massacre," she said. "Most people don't know that because it didn't get covered."
As New York Daily News points out, it's possible Conway was referring to a case in which two Iraqi nationals were charged and sentenced to jail "for taking part in attacks against U.S. troops in their home country," and who happened to be living in Bowling Green, Kentucky at the time they were indicted. But as the source points out, no incident actually took place on U.S. soil, and there's no evidence of a "massacre" ever having occurred in Bowling Green. Their indictment did lead the Obama administration to review vetting procedures for Iraqi nationalists — but contrary to what Conway suggests, it was in no way a "ban."
What massacre do you think she was really referencing?
She wasn't accidentally referring to some other, real, massacre. She meant Bowling Green, she was just extremely poorly briefed on what she was supposed to be talking about.
CNN has begun refusing to take her as a guest worth interviewing. They're holding out for someone else from the administration, like Pence.
She retracted her statement late yesterday, I believe.
Is saying she misspoke a retraction? Kind of like saying, 'Never mind, you know what I meant'. I don't think she "retracted" her statement the media didn't cover the "massacre", that 90 newspapers covered. Am I nitpicking? Maybe, but I'm tired of these politicians and company, acting like the work for the Onion.
She wasn't accidentally referring to some other, real, massacre. She meant Bowling Green, she was just extremely poorly briefed on what she was supposed to be talking about.
There was no massacre in Bowling Green either, just two arrested for plotting to ship money and guns to Iraq six years ago.
I could not get on Nixon's enemies list. But now I am participating in a felony without trying. Some presidents just don't figure.
It would appear that I joined just in time. I love being an illegal!
:eyebrow::D
My fav video for today - Liberal Red Neck Muslim Ban
https://youtu.be/o22OVZOx8-s
That. Was phucking hilarious!!:lol2:
We know what Velveeta did.
I notice the post above this one is by Gravdigr who apparently lives in central Kentucky? I am so sorry for what your state went through during the Bowling Green Massacre.
Yep. 20 miles from Bowling Green.
It was horrible.
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This guy's gonna be more fun than George W. Bush.
The late night hosts must be thanking God for this guy.
The late night hosts must be thanking God for this guy.
I dunno. How do you satirize him? They're almost limited to just listing the things he's actually said, since he's already done the Onion version.
What's the parody of "Any negative polls are fake news"? Or bringing up
The Apprentice ratings during a national prayer breakfast?
Makes me want to watch the apprentice for the first time, tho ......if it wasn't just me, wonder if Trump would attribute the increased ratings to his prayers?
I heard an interview with Rory Bremner, a British comedian, and he said the same thing about the British politicians, these guys are so out there it's hard to satirize them.
Makes me want to watch the apprentice for the first time, tho ......if it wasn't just me, wonder if Trump would attribute the increased ratings to his prayers?
You must be kidding, why the fuck would he attribute to divine intervention when he could take the credit for himself, but I repeat myself.
Hashtag Iamtheonlyonewhocanfixthis
Cartoonists never had it so good:
Trump's got to build a higher wall. :rolleyes:
Somebody's invading somebody's airspace.
I thought that was frowned upon at this establishment.
Trump will punish the perps for aiding and abetting rapists and drug dealers.;)
Them hombres ain't bad, they're just well done.
Even Time Magazine is getting into the act. When is the evil press ever going to show some respect?
Never too soon to never forget
My mother died in the Bowling Green massacre, you insensitive bastard!
Too soon?
None spared in this unforeseen and unremembered strike means the 300 fallen should never be not forgotten, ever, never.
I see what you did there.
You shoulda split those puns between posts 7 & 10.
You've got some balls, telling me how to score, you and gutter mind.
Oh dear, poor Superman...
Pepperidge Farm remembers...
Pepperidge farm. ahahahhahah
Snopes says no
That's why it's in Funny Political Pictures.;)
For the unwashed:
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What did he really say?
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Fake comic books just don't report it right.
Were the riots intended to be two days earlier, or the speech two days later? Either way, someone messed up. Sad!
Lets face it. By far, the biggest news story this past month is how many times this president lies. It is constant and continuous. Sometimes he may even lie about his lies.
"Meanwhile, in Sweden"
That person must be a cat.
I'm glad poor people never riot in this country. :rolleyes:
So like the Mona Lisa, but without the smile.
So Putin was also pregnant?
So she had a miscarriage - but can smile but a little. He didn't and scowls. Or did he fail to mother something else?
BTW, this thinking like a Donald - not the Duck.
Lets face it. By far, the biggest news story this past month is how many times this president lies. It is constant and continuous. Sometimes he may even lie about his lies.
Using the word 'news' rather loosely here.
^^^
LOL! Burned by the Bern! I love it! :p:
Their yelling is likely good for the Republic. :)
Lets face it. By far, the biggest news story this past month is...
how the left is embarrassing itself with the constant whining, complaining and bitching. STFU already.
Just like the right 8 years ago, and it never stopped.
how the left is embarrassing itself with the constant whining, complaining and bitching. STFU already.
Really?
You agree enthusiastically with everything Trump says and does? No room for dissent? All negative reactions are "whining, complaining and bitching"?
Mr President, is that you?
eta: sorry, I mistook you for Bannon.
"Keep your mouth shut"
To which I reply, Go fuck yourself, Mr Bannon.
how the left is embarrassing itself with the constant whining, complaining and bitching. STFU already.
I see. Only the right gets to complain endlessly about the president and if he was really born here or not and what about all those e-mails, ad nauseum. We put up with it for 8 years. You've only had one lousy month or so - so far. Get over it because we're not going to STFU anymore than you guys did. At least we still have freedom of speech (for now), and you're perfectly free to keep listening to nothing but Fox and Limbaugh, avoid places on the Internet where you may chance to read posts made from the left and center of the country, and we'll all meet again someday in heaven. :cool:
Muppets...
This McCain Sanders muppets thing is awesome!
(This is actually too good to be hidden away in the Cellar Politics Forum, but I didn't know where else to post it) :D
After Someone Posted This Far-Right Tweet Showing “The Future That Liberals Want”, It Backfired Hilariously
When Twitter user @polNewsNetwork1 posted a photo of a Muslim woman and a drag queen riding the subway next to each other on Wednesday, and proclaimed them as "the future that liberals want", we're pretty sure they weren't expecting the response they received from the Internet.
Many, many very funny replies!
Check it out!Damn, those are funny. :thumb:
Here's a funny youtube clip for you:
"Trump reacts to reports on inauguration crowd size"
https://youtu.be/jS9rQEe6CH0
Now I'm going away because I'm just having too much fun! :D
Ahahahahaha. They're great.
I don't know why, but the 'Damn, this is some gay space communism- I love it' one really made me lol
There's a market for everything...
Awwww, she's got her Nutcracker costume on! Cute!
my god, I hope this is in the right thread. :evil3:
:welcome: to the Cellar, Alfa!
Earlier this week, the Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond, gave his annual budget speech to Parliament.
Whoever holds this Office is never going to be the most popular politician but Hammond is in a league of his own. He's the sort that you'd cross the road to avoid.
His nickname is 'Spreadsheet Phil' which Nick Robinson, a BBC radio journalist, unfortunately mangled into
'Spread Shit Phil'.
It was too good an opportunity to miss for the Times cartoonist this morning.
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A great mangle, makes me wonder if it was really accidental. :D
This would be funnier if it wasn't true.
This thread, with its 1788 posts, is about 1% funny, in my opinion.
Ballpark figure.
I am temped to go back and link to the posts I found funny.
Politics is not funny anymore.:sniff:
This thread, with its 1788 posts, is about 1% funny, in my opinion.
Ballpark figure.
I am temped to go back and link to the posts I found funny.
Just a suggestion from the lowest of the low. Maybe a seperate thread on "Interesting" political pictures?
That's because nobody is willing to laugh at their guy. Cuz, y'know, he's Their Guy, and everyone who doesn't like him as much is a certified, treasonous assbandit.
This thread, with its 1788 posts, is about 1% funny, in my opinion.
Ballpark figure.
I am temped to go back and link to the posts I found funny.
Posts 44 through 54 are pretty funny. . .
Post 93 isn't particularly funny, but again relevant.
Does tragi-comic still count?
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Karl Rove should drink hemlock.
But Tom the dancing Bug shows us Trump is on our side.:rolleyes:
How many times daily does The Donald say, "Believe me."
Why does he must keep begging me to do that?
If I don't, can I get on his enemies list?
Oh, dat splain it. :rolleyes:
Karl Rove should drink hemlock.
But Tom the dancing Bug shows us Trump is on our side.:rolleyes:
Bruce, how did you get Ruben Bolling's new strip on Thursday??
Daily Kos gets them early.
What the stuff?!
I've been going to Daily Kos for This Modern World and GoComics for Tom the Dancing Bug.
What is that, some kind of aol?
Like myspace?? I don't go to sites.
You asked me a question and I answered it. Now you're just being an asshole pretending not to know what Imgur and Reddit are, and a liar saying you don't go to sites. The Cellar is a site.
Reddit, Imgur.
He meant "Reddit, sir." Its a local dialect.
Did you ever read about Imgur Richard Branson?
They'll steal it all when they're done.
How will Republicans ever live down this embarrassment?
Either by 1) it being wildly successful, or 2) forgetting it ever happened.
I'm guessing 2.
It would be ironic if, in the end, Trump was a victim of historical whitewashing.
US comedian on the radio last night: Trump is such a hypocritical liar that the 'J' stands for Hypocritical Liar.
Yup it is up to the Americans to make fun of Donald, while the rest of the world thinks we elected an idiot: couldbe:
tarheel
In 1937. Is that when America was great?
Who are these people?
Twins, separated at birth?
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What does Trump look like without a shirt?
Ewwww.
Fucking hell, TeeDub, I'm on my way to bed - I did not need that mental image in my head, thankyou very much :p
Ewwww.
... I'm on my way to bed -
Sweet dreams.
:right:
That's cold, man. Cold.
... I don't go to sites.
... Now you're just being an asshole ... and a liar saying you don't go to sites. The Cellar is a site.
Tell that to
Randall Munroe!
I'm not clicking on that link, flint. It might take me to a site.
I had to go back to a Windows Restore Point where I was logged into the Cellar just to reply to this.
I'm not clicking on that link, flint. It might take me to a fight?
Oh?
Rank has privilege, but that's no reason to be an asshole.
That IS pretty far to the right...
What does Trump look like without a shirt?
I don't even look at myself naked in the mirror.
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sure sounded like he said that, check it at 3:28.
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Is he laughing or about to cry? Where is his stiff upper lip?
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He needs a haircut. All of them.
He needs a haircut. All of them.
:lol2:
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Also - this is possibly the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.
Also - this is possibly the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.
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The one on the left is Donald Trump.
Flip the pic (the image on the right), and it's Donald Duck.
One's POTUS, one's a duck.
Now where's that buy it now button...
hehehehe. Stick it on a post card and send it to London.
I'm liking the current approach to getting people to vote in Thursday's election.
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They should add a tag line... By the way, all the immigrants are voting. :haha:
Best Reality TV yet - The Dolt 45 Administration: :eyebrow:
Hahahahahaha.I like that.
Those damn liberals are mean...
Coal ... another buggy whip industry.
Maintain tariffs, stifle science, and enrich the rich to protect that industry.
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I don't think the government is worried about Public Indignation Powder anymore.
Kind of funny, kind of tragic...
Wag the dog is coming. Trump needs something to mask failures and exposed lies. He now claims Syria is preparing a chemical attack.
Well, he could have spent that $50 to $100 million by taking out storage facilities that perform a complicated WMDs assembly. But he didn't. Instead he wasted $millions on old airplanes. Even their shelters are fully restored and operational.
Meanwhile, no intelligence or defense organization can say where Trump's warnings are coming from. Even defense and intelligence sources are confused. Just like Cheney. Invent fears and lies so that a war can be invented - for no purpose.
Wag the dog. Less than a third of Americans regard Trump as credible. Invent a war. Then the emotional and naive (adults who are still children) will rally to this president.
War will avert what is obvious. He has accomplished virtually nothing. And lies about it by constantly praising himself. Wag the dog.
Hey Brits! Ready to be dragged into another war without purpose? Prime Minister May also needs her dog wagged.
Well, he could have spent that $50 to $100 million by taking out storage facilities that perform a complicated WMDs assembly. But he didn't. Instead he wasted $millions on old airplanes. Even their shelters are fully restored and operational.
Be fair, all he did was authorize. Any shortcomings in execution are on the military, they are the pros, that's their job.
Be fair, all he did was authorize. Any shortcomings in execution are on the military, they are the pros, that's their job.
85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management. They did what he told them to do.
We know from over thousands of years of well proven military science - if military force is used, it must be used fully and effectively.
Reagan even attacked Gaddafi's tents. George Sr ignored the pathetic and defeatist Cheney and Rumsfeld to rescue Kuwait. Clinton activated the 82 Airborne to force Baby Doc Duvalier to resign - without having to deploy troops.
Leaders who play games using insufficient intelligence create disasters. George Jr, doing what extremists Cheney, Rumsfeld, Feith, and Wolfovitz speculated, surrendered Afghanistan to the Taliban. Failed to do what any intelligent person knows is required - phase four planning.
Obama took necessary risks to get bin Laden. George Jr, when a similar opportunity exists (and the military wanted to do it), would not let the military do it.
If we attack Syria, it better damn well attack the problem. Not waste $100million on attacking 'trophies' to the greater glory of a world class dumb president.
Everyone knows where Sarin gas component are stored and what is necessary to weaponize it. Trump choose to surrender - not attack what was relevant.
Trump is a classic example of someone trained in business schools.
A screen grab from
Dana's video.Kinda old by now, but:
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The perfect solution for the agitated masses...
I have a picture of myself on the cover of Playboy. Not fake unless I try to claim that I actually appeared in Playboy. Until then, it's merely a novelty item.
You can have your picture taken and placed on most any magazine cover on the boardwalk for ten bucks.
And copies to hang in every truck stop you visit. ;)
What do you think I got it for? :angel:
Is that you sucking whip cream off your finger?
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Ha!
Posts # 1887 and # 1890 don't pop. This one POPS! :p:
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Sorry Grav I didn't see you had already posted the paper-clip, but then it bears repeating. :blush:
Not exactly funny but telling...
I would suspectd most of Reagan's convicted employees were from this 2nd administration; not from his first.
Did not realize Nixon had that many convicted employees.
Doesn't look cleared to me.
I know, right? What are you up to, Shel?
I know, right? What are you up to, Shel?
Howdy! Doing good. Crazy busy at work. Don't if
I mentioned it here but I've been working as an escrow agent
In Pasadena for a little over a year now.
That is funny.
I appreciate the chance to laugh, a little, at the current news environment.
I actually lol'ed at "my a/c carriers have blue balls like you wouldn't believe".
I appreciate the chance to laugh, a little, at the current news environment.
Man, what else can ya do, but laugh?:o
I actually lol'ed at "my a/c carriers have blue balls like you wouldn't believe".
That WAS a good one. I enjoyed it.
Looks like it's his turn at the human beatbox contest...
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Stayin' alive...
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From the enemy because they advocate free market economics - The Economist:
The socilism one is adorable.
Presented without comment:
Mitt looks like a fair representative of the American people,.. except for the precious food.
Notice: no longer are those deals being made in back rooms full of smoke.
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Is that real? Tell me that's not real. Lie to me if you have to, but tell me that's not real.
You know, due to my close proximity to the massacre site, 20 miles, only 15 minutes away:eek:, I've been totally traumatized/effected/butthurt. If any of you would like to bypass the ACLU, and donate directly to an affected victim, you can help. Just send your donations to Gravdigr, c/o The Corner Bar.:beer:
:lol2:
I swear I think the movie Idiocracy is coming true.
FTR, if you go to the
Bowling Green Massacre Victim's Fund website, clicking the donate button does take you to the ACLU's donations page.
I told you it was an ACLU ad. I'm pretty sure most people are aware the Bowling Green thing was complete fake news.
Funny peculiar not funny haha...
I told you it was an ACLU ad. I'm pretty sure most people are aware the Bowling Green thing was complete fake news.
I'm not sure the ACLU put that out.
Down at the bottom...
This is the website of the American Civil Liberties Union and the American Civil Liberties Union Foundation.
Learn more about these two components of the ACLU.
© 2017 ACLU
Down at the bottom...
...of what page? On the
ACLU donations page, sure.
Not
this one. This
is the ad in question, is it not?
I think this may be the winner:
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...of what page? On the ACLU donations page, sure.
Not this one. This is the ad in question, is it not?
Yes is is but I warned you up front is was an ACLU thing, you just didn't believe me.
Then after you clicked the link and go to the ACLU site for yourself, you say you don't believe the ACLU actually did it, so I pointed out what it said at the bottom of the page you clicked to.
Now you still have doubts the ACLU actually did post that ad. They did, knowing the people likely to support them would instantly know it was a spoof because the Bowling Green Massacre was complete bullshit spouted by Kellyanne Conway, Trumps adviser.
I don't think the ACLU put that ad out.
I don't think the ACLU put that ad out.
The Russian did it. Business school graduates are everywhere! (You can stop reading now).
You'll love this or your money back.
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From trump 2020 to trump 20 to life. LOL
Hi Sheldon.
Howdy Fargon!
I'm doing good. How about you?
I'm doing good. How about you?
Also good, thanks. :-)
Funny political pictures? I got yer funny political pictures, but you have to watch them in the Theater of the Mind. Run, don't walk, to the nearest Chicago Tribune Opinion page and read the latest forecast of Trump's future, by Garrison Keillor.
Here's a head start.
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by Garrison Keillor
Special to the Washington Post
When his old campaign manager was indicted Monday, Mr. Trump called me on the phone, crying like a baby, and begged me to endorse him. I said, "You're already president, Mr. President. You were elected." He said, "I'd still like your endorsement." I have a recording of the phone call. It's so sad. Donald Trump is done. He couldn't get elected dogcatcher in New York, his hometown. I was very very nice about it. Very nice. But New Yorkers love dogs and he does not. There are 14 recorded instances of him kicking small dogs, and I have documentary proof of all but two of them.
Plus many other instances of him running around grabbing women's cats. Knocked on the door, grabbed the cat, walked away. Just to show that a famous rich guy could get away with it. Where is the apology? No, the man couldn't even get a job as a school crossing guard in New York. Look at him leading his grandchildren toward the helicopter — thank God there's a Marine there to keep them from walking into the rotor.
He's very wary of children, afraid they'll pull off the wig. It's from La Bouffant on 8th & 45th, 3rd floor. Horsehair. Palomino filly. I have receipts.
Trump shot a man on Fifth Avenue last year just to see if he could get away with it and he did. His base said, "Well, some people just need to be shot, that's all. As a warning to the others." Why is he so hung up on virility? Because the Army rejected him on account of bone spurs that you get from wearing high heels. Everybody knows that.
Just look at how he salutes the Marine honor guard — TOTAL DISASTER — it's not a salute, it's a little yoo-hoo. Uniforms are a huge turn-on for him. And when he salutes the flag, he doesn't even look at it. Total disrespect for the flag. And the salute is very weak in the wrists. Know why there's ABSOLUTELY NO video of him hitting a golf ball? Because (pardon me for being politically incorrect) he swings like a girl. And when he slices it into the parking lot, he tees up another ball. Mr. Mulligan. Mr. Multi-Mulligan.
He sits at that ridiculous little desk in the Oval Office and signs a presidential proclamation as if he's Kim Jong Un or something and he holds it up like a kid holding up his school project that his mama wrote for him. The man can barely read, that's why he hates TelePrompter. Total lightweight.
He is NOT A NICE PERSON and so the name Trump is as popular as herpes these days. Trumpet players have taken up the cornet. Card players refer to the lead suit as the jump suit. Tramps prefer to be called hoboes, town dumps are now refuse heaps, and girls named Dawn are becoming Cheryls. To residents of his crummy building on Fifth Avenue, it's now known as Chump Tower because it's caused so much grief and tragedy for people. It wasn't constructed — it was fabricated. FABRICATED. Plywood modules shipped down from Canada and installed by minimum-wage temps from Hoboken. I can prove this. I have documentation. The wind whistles through the tower at night, roaches the size of rats. Ask anybody.
People who voted for him are humiliated. So his ratings have tanked. The same people who admire him tend to drive Dodge Darts and wear sweatshirts from schools they didn't attend. Nobody stays in his hotels except foreign CEOs and their tootsies. He is weak. Weak on #s, weak on 1st Amendment, worst president in history. Failed @ real estate and now @ politics. His record = BAD. First president in my lifetime who DOES NOT KNOW the words to "The Star-Spangled Banner." The lips are not even moving.
He quit holding rallies in stadiums because nobody wants to go hear a loser brag about his manliness for an hour, you can hear that in any barroom. Only places he can draw a crowd are rural areas where billboards are riddled with bullet holes, shot by men angry because they can't read. He is so over. Totally irrelevant, exhausted, flamed out. The sleepytime eyes and la-di-da hair and the tweet-tweet-tweet say it all. Real men don't tweet. Ask anybody. We bark, we protest, we thunder, condemn, denounce, we give 'em hell, sometimes we post. Wimps tweet. And now the perps are going to start walking and talking. And the fat lady is waiting in the wings.
Washington Post
Garrison Keillor is an author and radio personality.
Garrison Keillor is an author and radio personality
I thought he was a Pepsi machine in Toledo.
I included it here because it was included there.
yes, I do follow my friends off bridges from time to time.
Pic dumpin':
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I used to think this stuff was just weird, but now I tend to assume it's a Russian campaign to destabilize Europe, just like the Russian-originated "Texas Secession" movements a few years back.
When I look up the spammer's IP address, I get results offering free proxy servers. Or they are in France.
It's happened yet again:
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I think we use to eat that guy for lunch back in school.
Wait, that was
Johnny Marzetti.
Sorry, my mistake.
Sorry urrbody.
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I want one! Trump demands military parade like Macron’s
President Trump has told the Pentagon to plan a grand military parade which could put tanks and troops on the streets of Washington.
Preparations are under way for a display inspired by Bastille Day celebrations in France, it was reported last night.
Mr Trump was dazzled by the parade he watched with President Macron last year, which included tanks, jets painting a Tricolour over the Arc de Triomphe and a brass band performing hits by the electronic duo Daft Punk.
“The marching orders were: I want a parade like the one in France,” a military official told The Washington Post. “This is being worked at the highest levels of the military.”
Mr Trump said the Bastille Day parade was one of the best he had ever seen when he brought it up two months later at a meeting with Mr Macron.
Sitting next to the French leader, he said: “We may have to top it.”
The Times
That little Korean chap with the dodgy haircut also likes a nice parade. ;)
Let's see, there were a few guys w/mustaches that liked a good military parade, weren't there?:eyebrow:
Smaller the hands, bigger the parade
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Donald? Is that you?
:eek:
Who's the guy in the blue supposed to be?
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Can you imagine it?
The two worst haircuts on the face of the Earth in the same room together.
It'll be like two halves of a fissile core being brought together.
You mark my words...
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It'll be like Moe & Larry got back together.
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Genius factor : over 9000
Why: No writing at all, just putting Trump's own words in context.
I keep saying the White House is a dog & pony show, a distraction, look over here...
A little birdie told me...
Well, that's the last time I buy Argentinian beef.
So there.
That'll learn 'em.
There are times when a chap just has to take a stand.
I think you just miss those colonial boobs of many colors. :ggw:
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"literally Hitler"
*snort*
A) We do just send the guns, in many cases.
B) Why do we send people with guns? Why not just send the people?
This would fit nicely in the polispam thread.
People will use anything, if they want to murder people.
We should send our soldiers into war with knives, trucks, and--honestly--watermelons, balloons, rubber duckies, flower arrangements, rainbow suspenders, and Q-tips. Let that American ingenuity really shine
Guns aren't even dangerous. Also, up is down, black is white, and Trump is a stable genius.
And spoons make people fat.
Spoons make it easier to shovel food into your mouth--it's their literal purpose, to make it easier to consume more food, faster and more efficiently. Of course, you could eat ice cream by waiting for it to melt and drinking it out of the carton...
Biscuits are spoons you can eat.
Maybe this is just what America is...
Well, we're ppl.
And ppl suck.
Sure, but people are also awesome.
:whtblk:
Are you saying half breeds are awesome? :lol:
Remember when sucky ppl were rare and the good ones were common?
Barely, but yes, yes I do. Probably because I'm so old. :crone:
And running for governor of Georgia...
And come and pick your own lettuce.
Tom the Dancing Bug's take on it...
Yes somethings that happen in Vegas should stay in Vegas.
Motorcycle escort for Trump's limo. Probably photoshop.
Well, some news outlet did refer to him as a dicktater.
:drummer:
I wonder what the date is on this?
That would suggest at least two ppl thinking the same way and working together.
That's just stupid.
I think I just threw up in my brain a little...
:vomit:
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Apologies if I've posted this elsewhere.
Portraits...
Hey there's Dr. Drew.
Seen with the label:
"Oh the Sean Hannity!"
"Oh the Sean Hannity!"
Outstanding.
A pic.
Of a tweet.
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Sadly, I think it's probably still not out of his system.
Does something like that ever get out of someone like that's system?
Listen to what he is saying. He is a Trump supporter. He is simple reciting what Trump ordered him to believe.
So true, divide and plunder...
.
This is the first picture of the crossing I've seen that doesn't show a great expanse of water to cross. It wasn't, but it is a fast flowing deep little river. I have been to the reenactment. They have a modern well constructed boat and still had a hard time crossing.
A 300 hp Evinrude would help. ;)
This is the first picture of the crossing I've seen that doesn't show a great expanse of water to cross. It wasn't, but it is a fast flowing deep little river. I have been to the reenactment. They have a modern well constructed boat and still had a hard time crossing.
I sense GW had more of an idea what was at risk.
Sure, if he had failed the revolution would likely be over. That and the Schuylkill is pretty damn cold at Christmas.
More tragic than funny...
This ain't funny either...
The last one at least has some potential merit - age can confer wisdom and certainly brings greater experience to draw from.
Counterpoint:
What appears on the surface to be wisdom is many times rote close-mindedness. "Let me tell you what's gonna work here, xyz." "We've always done it this way, and it's always worked. We're here after all, aren't we?" "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." All symptoms of hardening of the attitudes.
More experience is more likely to bring wisdom if there's a range of experiences, including failure, poverty, discrimination, lack and want. Rich, old, white men, surrounded by other rich, old, white men...diminishes this range, diminishing the chances for more wisdom, reinforcing the patriarchy...rinse, repeat.
Bring back slavery. It worked just fine. Now we have riots and gun play in the streets. WE even had to fire high pressure fire hoses at their children to keep them in line. Those evil liberals.
The above statements do not necessarily reflect the opinions of The Cellar, or of those who dwell therein.
:headshake
It must be true. I read it in the Cellar.
How many barbers has Trump fired this year?
The best 1 minute political ad ever...
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His twitter response made it even funnier. It's deleted now, but he accused his family of ganging up on him for their own political gain with the tagline, "Stalin would be proud!"
I (and the ad) was pretty ho-hum.
Then they started introducing themselves.
I (and the ad) was pretty ho-hum.
Then they started introducing themselves.
Yarp!
♪ ♫...we all need somebody to peeeeee on♪ ♫
:jig:
or Russian hooker comfort station... a throne away from home so to speak
Philly protesters have latched onto the Flyers new mascot with a passion...
Dog comfort station...
Isn't that entrapment? Since only humans can read. Where did they hide the camera?
Philly protesters have latched onto the Flyers new mascot with a passion...
...a violent passion...
Might makes right...
wing.
Trump going to a war zone...
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More Finnish Rake Memes
here - Some of 'em are pretty good.
This thread is awesome!!
Keep the pics coming guys :)
This 6'4" pig farmer from NJ, ran for president in 1952, 1956, and 1960.
Maybe JFK's assassination convinced him he didn't really want it. :eyebrow:
I don't get it, but I goddamn sure ain't about to ask for an explanation.
I guess it refers to people editing their lives to show what they want the public to see, but I'm probably missing the point?
The latest in political insanity is the "Q Anon" conspiracy theory, which is the crazier cousin of the "Hillary has child slaves in the basement of a pizza restaurant" conspiracy theory.
How many dollars' worth of slaves are we talking about here?
We need to know how to charge her.
A gunman already attacked the pizza restaurant, discovering it doesn't have a basement.
I guess it refers to people editing their lives to show what they want the public to see, but I'm probably missing the point?
As Happy Monkey mentioned, it's the current height of stupidity in conspiracy theories. Qanon claims to be close to Trump and has top secret "Q" clearance. He is providing "evidence" to some plan that finally destroy the "Deep State/NWO / Illuminatti" and Trump is central to this plan. We will see the arrests of Hilalry, Obama, Soros, Rothschilds and so on very, very soon. In the black hole of conspiracy in which “Q” has plunged its followers, Trump only feigned collusion to create a pretense for the hiring of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, who is actually working as a “white hat,” or hero, to expose the Democrats.
He has dropped hundreds of cryptic posts on 4chan/8chan. Claiming predictions of various deaths and so on. There is a literal army of acolytes who follow these reports which are usually full of meaningless gibberish and extrapolate meaning from them.
What Qanon really is, is a 4Chan scam. The beauty of it is that Qanon is abusing right-wing morons in the best way ever...by making fools out of them in public and indulging their endless capacity for self delusion.
...Right up until one of them murders someone to fulfill the death prophecies. It's just more Russian destabilizing.
Bring back the Michigan Militia. They did not murder anyone.
Carrots are a root vegetable.
:D
Man the lifeboats.
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The looting is ongoing - just not observed on the streets. Unless you notice so many recently and now unemployed. National debt has, for the first time, exceeded what it was during WWII.
Even the Republicans who were thrown out of office have new jobs.
Kept the papers busy...
= Fed the ego.
Kept the papers busy...
I wonder if he finally used up all his dad's money 'round about 1999.
Not even close, they were still scheming and transferring wealth while circumventing the inheritance tax.
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Brexit will stop Antenna from stealing our jobs...
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With all those swarthy terrorists leaking through the border it's safer to stay home and play games.
The enemy quit because they figured out there is more money in selling it than there is in fighting it. Army has generals, this war was controlled by accountants.;)
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That is NOT the correct to display the American flag.
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"He could have called him 'Tony Shitgarden'..." :lol:
The Mexicans should have put up a wall when they had a chance.:lol:
They let all those Gringos in to grow cotton and beef and shit. Everything was friendly then Mexico outlawed slavery. The Gringos said we ain't giving up our slaves and we ain't movin', so this ain't Mexico anymore.
Prolly cuz she was raised to give a shit.
You can leave your coat on...
Biff and Donald got the hair.
1958 Italian election... Sputnik II ever has a dog, laika was it?
'tis the season
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Heh, it's funny cuz it's true.
She ain't got to go nowhere.
Just STFU.
She ain't got to do that either.
One little, two little, three little miscreants.
Morons...
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... and Macron.
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Seems to be currency changes in the wind...
I normally keep out of political threads of whatever stripe but, solely on the basis that I like a cheap laugh, I thought this worthy of a larger audience.
The National Archives have released papers relating to the
Portland Spy Ring which betrayed secrets to Ivan at a time when the Cold War could suddenly have turned very hot.
The Portland spies were controlled by Konon Trofimovich Molody, a Soviet agent posing as a Canadian businessman named Gordon Lonsdale — an identity stolen from a dead child.
As cover, he sold Trump bubble gum machines to various pubs in London.
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LinkNo, or anything else he's selling. :headshake
What about a real nice tape recorder? Barely used...
How does Trump stack up against BIDEN and WARREN ?
There are literally no other candidates, not even in this graphic:
PTT;DLA
Pictures Too Tiny; Didn't Look At
:p:
We're doomed, doomed, I say:
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People are clicking in the ocean. They must have the shakes.
People are clicking in the ocean. They must have the shakes.
You don't know of the seven seas? The N American and S America Oceans, the European Sea, the great Africa Gulf, the Asia Ocean, and the White Sea (sometimes called the Antarctic Ocean). We were taught all this stuff in school. Some did not take geography.
What was the capital of the Sargasso Empire? 'Lost' City of Atlantis.
I doubt the dots are guesses
That voting was on a Diebold, ES&S or ExpressVoteXL electronic machine. We know this is expected from all electronic voting machines as was discussed here extensively many years ago.
Because it is high tech, then it must be better Decisions made by people who are trained to be management only using emotions.
Their machines were so defective as to only record 164 votes out of 55,000 cast for a judge in a county where touch screen (easily subverted) voting machines were used.
A Pennsylvania County’s Election Day Nightmare Underscores Voting Machine Concerns
So we blame voters. And forget that 85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management (ie educated by business schools).
What? You don't see the funny political picture?
Hmm, neither do I. :headshake
Antarctica is missing from the map, so this statistic is skewed!
Antarctica is missing from the map because it doesn't exist. It's a myth created to steal tax dollars claiming they were spent on South Pole expeditions while the principals were sunning themselves in Pago Pago. :yesnod:
Trump said so. It must be true.
Trump and Dr. Drew:
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Dr. Drew? ... That's Mike Pence...
Shhhh, Clod ... Gravdigr is having a [post=981032]Cellar Flashback[/post]. It could be dangerous to interrupt him.
Shhhh, Clod ... Gravdigr is having a [post=981032]Cellar Flashback[/post]. It could be dangerous to interrupt him.
I'm nothing if not consistent.
Sorry for the repeat.
More of the WTF variety
OK, sorry.
I guess Rui is a ball player.
I assumed it was some political thing, because we get a lot of those, trying to sway politicians reading the paper.
He plays for the Wizards, I wonder if the ad, maybe even the fan club is his agents doing? Show me the money.
He plays for the Wizards,
Isn't that the team the Harry Potter also plays for?
They have funny looking bats.
Apparently they used magic to get them approved by the league.
What kind of post is that?
My gut says you are no good, and StopForumSpam says you are no good. Preemptive ban.
What kind of post is that?
Archaeological.
What kind of post is that?
My gut says you are no good, and StopForumSpam says you are no good. Preemptive ban.
Well, that was some high speed, low drag carnage.
Well done.
Glatt has insider information on spammers. Low key boot-in-the-ass.
What just happened?
:lol2:
The solution...
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The only way to drain the swamp.
The only way to drain the swamp.
Is to massacre people who support a man with a 30 second attention span. Relabel them as immigrants, Hispanics, or Blacks so that they cannot vote to destroy America. Only Nazis, KKK, and White Supremacists (supporters of hate) understand that logic.
Clearly not an insult. Steve Bannon (president of Trump's first campaign committee) defined his challenge. To manipulate so many 'adults who are still children' to vote for a man with a 30 second attention span. Bannon clearly stated his challenge in video recorded interviews.
We still do not have near enough Covid-19 test kits - directly traceable to that 30 second attention span. Like any communist president, he even said he will not take responsibility for that mistake. An exact quote. He will not take responsibility. And the swamp says that is good.
Korea decided to let people with an 'American patriotic' attitude make decisions.. They learned facts during and after Christmas week. Same facts that even the CDC in Atlanta was saying. Therefore Korea had 700 times more test kits (per capita) compared to what America has today (almost three months later).
Only an anti-American from the swamp would deny reality. Some adults are still children. Explains the hate that anti-Americans are also ordered to believe. Since they are so evil, they cannot even see an anti-American in the mirror.
A scumbag leader silenced the medical people - because honesty and truth might create a panic. We were even told that in the Cellar.
So panic now exists, as predicted, on toilet paper shelves. As predicted. Some even stood in massively long lines, with so many other potentially infected people, because they panicked. Meanwhile even Koreans knew batter. They put forth facts before anyone could panic. Korean addressed this problem BEFORE it would happen. They do not have leaders who come from the swamp.
Nazi, KKK, White Supremacist, and Trump supporters will deny this. Evil have slanted eyes. So evils could not think like a patriotic American - a Nazi, KKK, White Supremacist, or Trum supporter. Classic reasoning from an extremist who does not realize '
he' is the swamp. Rush Limbaugh and Fox News did not say so. An extremist (the swamp) only knows what the central committee of the communist party has ordered him to believe.
What the fuck was that, a word "picture"?
♫ But the words came back the very next day,
The words came back, we thought they was a goner
But the words came back; they just couldn't stay away.
Away, away, yea, yea, yea ♪
Oh, I'm so stealing that. :thumb:
Because the people standing on the podiums are all men?
You promised you wouldn't out me you rat.
Oof - that's a hard hitting image
Screwing with our Achilles heel
Bow tie; or, bolo tie? Decisions, decisions.
I hate that it's a political picture. It is, but I hate that it is.
He is smarter than the generals. But cannot say what he means.
His secretary of state defined it as babysitting a child. And still some so hate America as to deny it. Maybe they also should drink Clorox to be healthier. Would that cure a 30 second attention span.
The one with Paul & Paul Jr. was brilliant...
Grand Reopening Fire Sale...
Yeah I am very concerned about Boris's apparent hurry to reopen, however carefully. he is going for small steps, but I think he is taking them too soon. The R number is almost back up to 1 in some areas of the country.
They have been talking about region specific responses, but these first steps have been England-wide: maybe it's appropriate in London where the R rate has been almost halved - wholly inappropriate for the North East and East of the country, where it has shown a rise.
Yeah I am very concerned about Boris's apparent hurry to reopen, however carefully.
Carefully? Chinese students in Britain are concerned. No matter how many times they asked at airports, nobody would even take their temperature. That is routine in China - were they addressed this problem so that they could reopen safely.
And to think, this is Boris who finally admitted the pandemic exists - only after he ended up in the ICU. Why would anyone vote for him? Oh. Look who the opposition was.
"America?"
"Yes, I meant Gondor."
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And to think, this is Boris who finally admitted the pandemic exists - only after he ended up in the ICU
**Meeep! Meeep! Total Bullshit Alert Meep!**
Selected highlights of the Covid-19 timeline in the UK. There had previously been some activity around tracking incoming travellers from affected areas and instructions to self-isolate for anybody with a new persistent cough or a temperature - then things started to get a lot more serious:
2 March – The government holds a COBRA meeting to discuss its preparations and response to the virus, as the number of UK cases jumps to 36.[16]
3 March – The government publishes its action plan for dealing with coronavirus. This includes scenarios ranging from a milder pandemic to a "severe prolonged pandemic as experienced in 1918" and warns that a fifth of the national workforce could be absent from work during the infection's peak.
5 March - The first death from coronavirus in the UK is confirmed,[20] as the number of cases exceeds 100, with a total of 115 having tested positive. England's Chief Medical Officer, Chris Whitty, tells MPs that the UK has now moved to the second stage of dealing with COVID-19 – from "containment" to the "delay" phase
6 March – The Prime Minister announces £46 million in funding for research into a coronavirus vaccine and rapid diagnostic tests. During a visit to a laboratory in Bedfordshire, he says: "It looks like there will be a substantial period of disruption where we have to deal with this outbreak."
11 March - Chancellor of the Exchequer, Rishi Sunak, presents the Johnson Government's first budget, which includes £30 billion in measures to protect the economy from coronavirus.[
13 March - Elections including the English local elections, London mayoral election and police and crime commissioner elections, scheduled for May 2020, are postponed for a year because of the coronavirus.
14 March - A further 10 people are reported to have died from COVID-19, almost doubling the UK death toll from 11 to 21. The government's aim for a "herd immunity" approach generates controversy.
This is where we see a change in approach as the flattening the curve + herd immunity argument loses ground to a more aggressive attempt to flatten the curve while fully protecting the most vulnerable groups through extreme social distancing - it could be argued that they should have changed stream sooner, but this was a dynamic situation with a brand new disease and contradictory and changing positions held by different experts in the field - that field had already started to coalesce around the idea that herd immunity was not the way to go and I think Boris and his government were too slow to change tack.
I don't think that means they weren't taking it seriously.
15 March - Health Secretary Matt Hancock says that every UK resident over the age of 70 will be told "within the coming weeks" to self-isolate for "a very long time" to shield them from coronavirus
- The government announces plans to hold daily televised press conferences to update the public on the fight against the coronavirus pandemic, starting on Monday 16 March.
16 March - Prime Minister Boris Johnson advises everyone in the UK against "non-essential" travel and contact with others, to curb coronavirus, as well as to work from home if possible and avoid visiting social venues such as pubs, clubs or theatres. Pregnant women, people over the age of 70 and those with certain health conditions are urged to consider the advice "particularly important", and will be asked to self-isolate within days.
- The government issues a call for businesses to support the supply of ventilators and ventilator components; the NHS has access to 8,175 ventilators but it is thought that up to 30,000 may be needed.
17 March - NHS England announces that from 15 April all non-urgent operations in England will be postponed, to free up 30,000 beds to help tackle the virus.]
- The Chancellor, Rishi Sunak, announces that £330bn will be made available in loan guarantees for businesses affected by the virus.
- The Foreign and Commonwealth Office advises against all non-essential international travel due to the pandemic and the border restrictions put in place by many countries in response
We now see a series of measures that are beyond anything I have seen in my lifetime:
18 March - The government announces that all schools in the country will shut from the afternoon of Friday
20 March, except for those looking after the children of key workers and vulnerable children. No exams will take place this academic year, Education Secretary Gavin Williamson confirms
- The government announces emergency legislation to bring in a ban on new evictions for three months, as part of measures to help protect renters in social and private rented accommodation
19 March - The government announces £1.6bn for local authorities, to help with the cost of adult social care and support for the homeless; and £1.3bn to the NHS and social care, to allow up to 15,000 people to be discharged from hospital
20 March - Chancellor Rishi Sunak announces that the government will pay 80% of wages for employees not working, up to £2,500 a month, as part of "unprecedented" measures to protect people's jobs.
- Prime Minister Boris Johnson orders all cafes, pubs and restaurants to close from the evening of 20 March, except for take-away food, to tackle coronavirus. All the UK's nightclubs, theatres, cinemas, gyms and leisure centres are told to close "as soon as they reasonably can"
22 March - Boris Johnson warns that "tougher measures" may be introduced if people do not follow government advice on social distancing
23 March - The government announces emergency measures to safeguard the nation's rail network, with season ticket holders given refunds if working from home, and rail franchise agreements nationalised for at least six months to prevent rail companies from collapsing.
- In a televised address, Boris Johnson announces a UK-wide partial lockdown, to contain the spread of the virus. The British public are instructed that they must stay at home, except for certain "very limited purposes" – shopping for basic necessities; for "one form of exercise a day"; for any medical need; and to travel to and from work when "absolutely necessary". However, when these restrictions came into force on 26 March, the statutory instrument omitted any limit on the number of exercise sessions. A number of other restrictions are imposed, with police given powers to enforce the measures, including the use of fines
24 March - For the first time, all of the UK's mobile networks send out a government text alert, ordering people to stay at home. The message reads: "GOV.UK CORONAVIRUS ALERT. New rules in force now: you must stay at home. More info and exemptions at gov.uk/coronavirus Stay at home. Protect the NHS. Save lives."
- Health Secretary Matt Hancock announces the government will open a temporary hospital, the NHS Nightingale Hospital at the ExCeL London, to add extra critical care capacity in response to coronavirus pandemic
26 March - The government announces that the self-employed will be paid 80% of profits, up to £2,500 a month, to help them cope during the economic crisis triggered by COVID-19.
Then Boris tests positive but continues to work in isolation:
27 March - Prime Minister Boris Johnson tests positive for COVID-19, and will self-isolate in 10 Downing Street.
29 March - The government will send a letter to 30 million households warning things will "get worse before they get better" and that tighter restrictions could be implemented if necessary. The letter will also be accompanied by a leaflet setting out the government's lockdown rules along with health information.
- Dr Jenny Harries, England's deputy chief medical officer, suggests it could be six months before life can return to "normal", because social distancing measures will have to be reduced "gradually".
.... A lot more continued to happen and there were further funding announcements and guidance coming from the government, with Boris still very involved before he got very ill ...and then:
6 April - Prime Minister Boris Johnson is taken into intensive care at St Thomas' Hospital. It is announced that First Secretary of State Dominic Raab will deputise for him.
There are a lot of criticisms that can be levelled at Boris for his handling of this, but the suggestion that he and his government were not treating this as a dangerous pandemic and a looming national crisis before he ended up catching the virus and landing in the ICU is a bare faced lie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_United_KingdomGuess I'm one of those people who don't see the big picture...
I really hate that I had to defend Boris Fucking Johnson
Don't feel bad, The Doctor would've done the same thing. Then he would've regenerated 'cause it would've killed him.
I really hate that I had to defend Boris Fucking Johnson
First off, useful responses were done by others at the lower level. He refused to admit a problem existed until late March - too late. Much too late as demonstrated by so many other nations who used science to make a decision.
Second, he only did what was necessary back in February or 1 March. At this point, his actions should have been far more aggressive.
The US, that has some of the worst response, has seen 0.03% of its population killed. UK has seen 0.052% of its population die due to a pathetic response. A percentage equivalent to Italy. Britain's death rates are among the highest.
Boris Johnson remained in denial almost as long as Trump did.
At the same time NYC mayor de Blasio was also in denial at the same time since (we have now learned) his aid (Dr Katz) told him on 10 March, “no proof that closures will help stop the spread.” Also saying that 99% will recover without any harm. (The actual number is maybe 0.4% or 0.6% will die which is why it was a pending disaster.) So de Blasio also did nothing just like Boris Johnson until weeks later. Too little too late.
We are discussing honest people who make decisions from science (like an adult) and not from their emotions (like Johnson who also created another disaster - Brexit. Watch Johnson blame the economic downturn only on Covid-19. And not on him and Brexit.)
Well I am seeing NYCs death rate at somewhere near one in 400 or one in 600 NYC citizens have been killed by Covid-19. If accurate, that puts NYCs numbers about ten times higher than the national average or about 6 times higher than UKs.
Again demonstrates what happens when someone ignored science until late March - as Boris Johnson did.
We know the number of killed Americans is more than China's. Once rhetoric from proverbial liars (including The Don) is eliminated, then China lost 0.02% of their population. Meaning China's leaders (after they stopped denying it) did more than Boris Johnson.
Damning numbers. We know that admitting reality in late March indicated a leader was emotional - did not view science, numbers, or logic like an adult.
BTW, what did it take for de Blasio to finally admit (before Boris Johnson) that he must do something? Reports now say his health department people trooped into his office around 1 March and threatened to resign if he did not do something. A need for action was obvious back then - when Boris Johnson was in public denial. (And when the brainwashed who watch Fake Fox News claimed this was only another flu: "regular old flu being hyped by snowflake libtards.")
The emotional must see something that emotional before they will do their job. Johnson (like Trump) could not bother to listen to science until after 20 March - when he got sick.
Ironically, same adults who are still children also deny global warming. And plenty of other science.
At what point do we finally admit who is logical (advances mankind) and who promotes emotionally inspired lies? Boris Johnson clearly does not deserve to be defended. Doing nothing until the end of March makes obvious he was irresponsible. And does not deserve to be defended.
So who should Trump be casting blame on? The Chinese who took on the challenge too later and managed to result their death rate? Or Boris Johnson who refused to acknowledge a threat until he got sick?
Numbers do not lie. A responsible Boris Johnson (or Trump) would have been fully involved BEFORE 1 March.
When did I buy my masks? Early January. I saw it coming for the same reason I also saw Saddam did not have WMDs. Facts. Even in early January, masks were hard to find because adults who are adults saw this threat that early.
Johnson (like Trump) could not bother to listen to science until about 20 March - when he got sick.
You make many valid points, but you seem peculiarly invested in the notion that Johnson did not take the pandemic or the science seriously until he himself got sick.
Again
- this is untrue.Again - this is untrue
You did not quote the supporting fact why. So you are (unfortunately) doing what extremist are doing. I expect to see a fact that shows Boris Johnson openly addressing this problem when it was obvious on 1 March.
As was posted here long ago, before Johnson became sick, he had missed five of the government’s emergency “COBRA” crisis meetings on the virus. That was one critical meeting every week starting in mid-February when adults saw an impending disaster. Johnson could not be bothered until just before he had to isolate himself at home. Just another damning fact that says he could not be bothered to do his job.
How is that any different than Trump? How is that being a responsible leader? Why would anyone defend this man whose inactions resulted ins 0.052% of the population dead - one of the world's higher numbers?
You did not quote the supporting fact why. So you are (unfortunately) doing what extremist are doing. I expect to see a fact that shows Boris Johnson openly addressing this problem when it was obvious on 1 March.
You are changing the goal posts.
You have claimed several times now that Johnson was not treating this as a serious problem until he himself got sick.
I am telling you that is untrue and have posted a timeline of what he and his government were doing prior to him getting sick.
note: I am not saying Boris Johnson has done an outstanding job - I am saying that bit about him not taking it seriously / not listening to the science until he got sick is untrue and I have evidenced that in this thread.
You have claimed several times now that Johnson was not treating this as a serious problem until he himself got sick.
I am telling you that is untrue and have posted a timeline of what he and his government were doing prior to him getting sick.
Show me anything in that list that he did before 20 March. Before that time, only lower level government people were doing anything to protect British citizens. Including COBRA crisis meeting that he intentionally ignored for 6 weeks because the threat (according to him) did not exist.
COBRA, et al was responsible people trying to deal with an impending crisis in February. Johnson could not be bothered. As that timeline also demonstrates.
Again, I expect to see the exact sentence quoted from that timeline that shows Johnson (not anyone else) taking responsibility for an impending crisis. I am asking for it. But again, it is still not detailed. Only listed is a subjective conclusion from a timeline that says only others did something before 20 March - without his cooperation.
Based upon every supporting fact that you have posted, Johnson completely ignored an obvious crisis until after 20 March. Does not matter what responsible people in government did. He did not.
Where are supporting facts (ie he attended a COBRA meeting in mid-February). Sentence from the timeline is quoted. And what he specifically did for that sentence is cited. He did not take it seriously until after 20 March - too late. As your timeline demonstrates.
Does not matter what his government was doing. Does not mater what responsible little people were doing. What matters is what he was doing since - and no way around this - 85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management. Which explains UK's high death rates.
Show me where he decided to address this threat in mid February when patriotic British government officials tried to address it - while he remained in denial. You only showed by how obvious the threat was long before 20 March - when he ignored everything until after 20 March - as he was getting sick.
He was even shacking hands when, if he took it seriously, he would not be doing. Because he did not take it seriously.
Why before the 20th March?
My contention is that he was taking this seriously
before he got ill with Covid-19.
You have said this:
Boris who finally admitted the pandemic exists - only after he ended up in the ICU
and variations thereof on several occasions now.
Boris tested positive for Covid-19 on March 27 - a full 4 days after the Prime Minister announced the country was going into lockdown.
I am not arguing he did a good job (I think he did a very mixed job) I am saying you are spicing your legitimate criticisms with an accusation that is blatantly false.
Could he have taken it more seriously, and sooner? Yes, I think he could have
Could a huge number of Covid-19 deaths have been avoided had a different strategy been followed and had Boris recognised the scale and speed of the threat much sooner? Yes, I think that is probably fair to say.
Did he only 'admit the pandemic exists' after he himself got ill?
No. This is not true. Please stop spreading misinformation.
Tw couldn't get on Trump's list; so, now he's trying to get on Johnson's list. He's hoping you'll report him to MI6. Don't do it. Just report him to the NHS so they can have a room waiting for him if he visits.
Maybe if he starts now he can get on Biden's list.
Why before the 20th March?
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My contention is that he was taking this seriously before he got ill with Covid-19.
Where is one fact that supports that hypothesis? He completely ignored the threat until it was too late - 20 March.
Best you can do is speculate he was not symptomatic when he finally acknowledged a threat. So how many days was that? He was tested on 27 March because felt sick for days. Never ignore numbers. So he was probably sick on 20 March. One is typically sick for about a week days before symptoms appear.
Irrelevant that he was sick on 27 March. He refused to acknowledge reality until, at the same time or earlier, even he got sick. And even on 25 March, he acknowledgement was tepid at best. Which explains so many dead Brits.
He intentionally ignored the crisis resulting in some of some of the world's highest death rates. When is that a responsible leader? He remains in denial (just like Putin). High death rates directly traceable to an extremist PM - who could not bother for months to acknowledge reality (as that list also demonstrates).
He refuse to go to COBRA meetings, that were created to address a major crisis, until 6 weeks later. That is Johnson working for Britain? Or Johnson working only for himself? Obviously he was ignoring it. Facts (and that list) say so.
He was even shaking hands when it was obvious that a medical crisis existed. He was still in denial even when he tepidly said a virus might be coming.
Where in that list is one fact that says was acting responsible before ...? I keep demanding a fact. None posted because none exists.
Irrelevant is what others in
the Queen's government were doing. He was in denial like an extremist - an adult who uses emotions to make decisions. Same emotions that promoted Brexit.
Lower level government officials saw what was glaringly obvious before 1 March. COBRA meeting started in February because the threat was that obvious, dangerous, and coming. Boris Johnson intentionally ignored them. He could not be bothered to learn facts - until those facts made him deadly sick for six weeks.
Those damn numbers.
From the BBC - incoming Chinese students openly complaining because nobody could be found in the airport to take their temperature. That is Johnson taking this pandemic seriously?
Would Jeremy Corbyn have done better? Again, where are facts that can answer that? Based upon his history, I doubt it.
How about Theresa May? Again, another British leader who could not demonstrate leadership. Britain once had great leaders.
Well George Jr massacred 5000 American servicemen for no purpose. Which leader was less responsible?
Oh those damning facts and numbers.
Maybe if he starts now he can get on Biden's list.
Only wacko extremists have such lists. Do you have one? Apparently not.
Hopefully I am on UG's and Henry Quirk's enemies list. They certain have one. A Trump supporter needs a big gun and an enemies list. Then runs around singing patriotic songs and waving big flags.
My contention is that he was taking this seriously before he got ill with Covid-19.
You have said this:
Quote:
Boris who finally admitted the pandemic exists - only after he ended up in the ICU
and variations thereof on several occasions now.
Boris tested positive for Covid-19 on March 27 - a full 4 days after the Prime Minister announced the country was going into lockdown.
Where is one fact that supports that hypothesis? He completely ignored the threat until it was too late - 20 March.
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That icon is me trying to get you to do what honest people do. Show me facts. Show me the numbers. No honest person cares about emotional or speculated beliefs. They are irrelevant.
Post the sentence from that list. Then cite where Johnson did anything for that sentence. Never done. And for one obvious reason.
Boris remained in denial until about 20 March - about the same time he got sick.
Post supporting facts. I do not care that extremists claim he did anything before 20 March. Please cite facts. Your unsupported beliefs remains wild speculation - never once supported by a single citation.
DanaC has posted everything that Boris Johnson did before 20 March. That list is empty. Boris Johnson did nothing to empower, support, or acknowledge what subordinate (patriotic) people in Britain were doing. Johnson remained in denial until about 20 March. As a result - another damning fact - Britain has some of the world's highest death rates.
No problem. Putin also remained in denial. So Russia may exceed UK's death numbers. Then we can praise Boris Johnson for being more responsible.
Boris Johnson may have been infected before 20 March. Which is why he tested positive on 27 March. He did nothing until even he got sick. Do not ignore all those dead Brits because Boris Johnson refused to do anything (denied it) for so long.
Please DanaC. It is such a simple thing to do. Cite the sentence from your list - well before 20 March. And show us how Boris Johnson was taking the threat seriously by doing it. It is that simple if Boris was not in denial.
Boris remained in denial until about 20 March - about the same time he got sick.
6 March – The Prime Minister announces £46 million in funding for research into a coronavirus vaccine and rapid diagnostic tests. During a visit to a laboratory in Bedfordshire, he says: "It looks like there will be a substantial period of disruption where we have to deal with this outbreak."
DanaC has posted everything that Boris Johnson did before 20 March. That list is empty. Boris Johnson did nothing to empower, support, or acknowledge what subordinate (patriotic) people in Britain were doing.
Just because departmental ministers come up with strategies and plans and announce them - don't think the Prime Minister is not involved - it is a cabinet system.
Boris Johnson may have been infected before 20 March
'May' being the operative word
Also- nice to see you have at least dropped the lie that he wasn't taking this seriously until he landed in ICU - it's a step in the right direction.
… Please DanaC. It is such a simple thing to do. ...
@DanaC,
Good job babe, always leave them wanting more.
Just because departmental ministers come up with strategies and plans and announce them - don't think the Prime Minister is not involved - it is a cabinet system.
We know repeatedly from history that is exactly what happens. Please stop remaining in denial - just like Boris Johnson. Please learn why disasters happen.
Disasters happen when a leader remains in denial of the obvious. While the little people in mass numbers keep trying to avert it. And yes, it was obvious even in February.
Why is UK's death rate so high? Some Ministers kept trying to do something (ie COBRA) while Boris Johnson kept obstructing it using inaction and not cooperating. Yes Boris Johnson knew about COBRA. And obstructed it by ignoring it.
Learn from Katrina in New Orleans. The little people kept trying to address that problem for a week. Captain of the USS Bataan (an aircraft carrier) even tried to send doctors and medical supplies into New Orleans. General Honore deployed to New Orleans using an excuse so as to not violate posse comitatus. All while George Jr remained in denail, did nothing, and even said, "You're doing a heckuva job Brownie." While people sat in the Superdome and Convention Center without food or water for five days.
(It was the only time I saw Ted Koppel almost loose it after Brownie bluntly lie to him live on national television.)
How ironic. The little 'Ministers' kept trying to save lives while George Jr remained in denial - just like Boris Johnson. Since the little people kept trying to save lives, DanaC says George Jr (and Brownie) were not in denial. She must know. History must be lying.
No problem. Ministers will not try to avert a disaster when the leader remains in denial - a naive conclusion. Why so entrench in defending a man who made Britain's death rate a highest in the world? DanaC, please be decent enough to at least acknowledge that fact. A world highest death rate. Why not? Then you would have to admit that Boris Johnson remained in denial. Therefore DanaC must deny (like Johnson) that Britain has a highest death rate.
85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management. Britain's highest death rate is directly traceable to Boris Johnson doing exactly what George Jr did. And what The Don has done. Britain has a high death rate because Boris Johnson clearly remained in denial until after 20 March.
He refused to admit the threat until (and because of his denials) he got deathly sick. Eventually he took a test after having been infected for maybe a week or longer. Ended up deathly sick for six weeks.
How ironic. Six weeks is how long he also denied the reason for and refused to cooperate with COBRA. Apparently six is Satan's favorite number.
Twump, cwrazy he is.
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Tw:
You seem to be under some misapprehension that I am arguing Boris did a good job and acted swiftly.
He acted too slowly - he absolutely did not recognise the scale of the impending problem in time to head off the outbreak before it had a chance to gain a foothold, and there were some major errors in judgement along the way.
My contention is that it is wholly inaccurate to suggest he did not recognise it as a pandemic until he was very sick, and a barefaced lie to say he did not take it seriously until he ended up in ICU.
And once he and his government recognised the dangers, a massive package of measures was put in place - BEFORE Boris got sick. Some of them before he could possibly have been experiencing symptoms.
Was it enough? No
Was he foolish early on in treating it like a particularly serious strain of seasonal flu? yes
Had he already started to take it seriously and change tactics before he himself became ill? I believe he had, yes.
Boris and his government have got a lot of stuff wrong - and the cost for that is measured in loss of life.
They also got some stuff right - and that needs recognising alongside the criticisms for what went wrong.
But, I can't really expect an extremist like you, so hemmed in and blinded by your emotional responses, to understand something like that.
My contention is that it is wholly inaccurate to suggest he did not recognise it as a pandemic until he was very sick, and a barefaced lie to say he did not take it seriously until he ended up in ICU.
If that contention is true, then cited are the example that he - not anyone else - he acted so before 20 March.
The Queen's government did what patriotic Brits would do even as Boris Johnson remained in denial. They did things like COBRA. Can and did do so without his permission. Since that, BTW, is how democracies, successful corporations, and other productive organizations work.
If the British government is a dictatorship, then COBRA could not exist. Dictatorships stifle innovation and make things worse. In well run democracies, the little people make decisions. And then the boss goes with facts.
In this case, the boss so ignored the facts as to even refuse to participate in COBRA for five weeks. He was in denial. He refused to listen to facts.
Boris Johnson not only ignored what the little people were doing to save British lives. He refuse to participate in what they clearly stated as necessary. Johnson remained in denial until 20 March.
From Reuters on 7 April 2020:
If unconstrained and if the virus behaved as in China, up to four-fifths of Britons could be infected and one in a hundred might die, wrote the scientists, members of an official committee set up to model the spread of pandemic flu, on March 2. ... that was a prediction of over 500,000 deaths in this nation of nearly 70 million.
So on 3 March, he said
Our country remains extremely well prepared.
He continued shaking hands, remained in denial, and did nothing. Still did not participate in COBRA meetings.
The upbeat tone of that briefing stood in sharp contrast with the growing unease of many of the government’s scientific advisers behind the scenes. They were already convinced that Britain was on the brink of a disastrous outbreak, a Reuters investigation has found.
Interviews with more than 20 British scientists, key officials and senior sources in Johnson’s Conservative Party, and a study of minutes of advisory committee meetings and public testimony and documents, show how these scientific advisers concluded early the virus could be devastating.
By the end of January, the government’s chief medical adviser, Whitty, was explaining to politicians in private, according to at least two people who spoke to him, that if the virus escaped China, it would in time infect the great majority of people in Britain. It could only be slowed down, not stopped. On Jan 30, the government raised the threat level to “moderate” from “low.
The little people were studying in early January. And by end of January realized how severe it could be. But Boris Johnson could not be bothered. Reuters even suggests why. He felt Britain had good scientist. So he could ignore it. Did so until 20 March. Long after he was told how bad it could be. Apparently he was too busy celebrating Brexit.
Furthermore, EU meeting from 13 February thought 30 March on this threat could have made the problem obvious. Britain could have attended. But again, Boris Johnson used his emotions to make decisions. Britain did not attend and missed out on meetings that, for example, defined how various EU nations could cooperate - share knowledge and equipment. He was in denial as well as regarded the EU as some kind of evil.
Throughout February, Johnson received daily briefings on the threat. And did nothing. Editor of the Lancet, Horton, said in his editorial that the government did nothing in February to prepare quarantine restriction plans, mass testing, and procuring equipment such as ventilators and PPE.
Government did not even set up labs. Then suddenly in mid-March, laboratories all over Britain received abrupt and urgent requests to hand over nucleic acid extraction instruments used in testing.
Government officials finally put out emergency calls for ventilators in 16 March. Even to France, New Zealand, and Indonesia.
Nicky Longley of London's Hospital for Tropical Diseases knew planning was not happening and was desperately needed in mid-February. The little people desperately tried to address the threat. But suffered a severe problem.
First indication that Boris Johnson even listened was on 12 March in a speech when he said, "families are going to lose loved ones before their time." That is the first time he apparently listened to dire warnings. But still did nothing.
By 13 March, professional football leagues suspended their games since players were already infected. Other institutions had already closed because the threat was so obvious to the public. But Johnson even refused to close schools and ban mass gatherings. He was still in denial with Imperial College's warning of 510,000 deaths on 16 March.
Apparently that report finally got the attention of Johnson and the Trump administration. A few days later, Boris Johnson finally admitted to "Britain, we have a problem."
The little people said even in January that a serious threat exists. But nothing much happened until the nation took it seriously. Before Boris Johnson finally admitted to what he should have known almost two months earlier.
No way around the fact. He ignore the threat until even major institutions finally did things on their own.
It's the Queen's government. A government that tried to address a threat while Boris Johnson did nothing - remained in denial. As any good extremist would when his emotions trump facts. Which also explains another disaster called Brexit.
DanaC. I once thought you were a moderate. I never once insulted you. I simply insisted you do what an adult does. Provide facts. Such as the many above that show how wrong you are. Your feelings are irrelevant. Above facts are. Please stop posting using UG logic. It does not become you.
Queen's government recognized the threat in January. He did not even realize a threat might exist until 12 March. And did not take it seriously until about 20 March. Long after everyone else knew better. Facts above make that obvious.
tw, I wish you would just STFU. This horse--dead. Go bray on in the other political threads where it's easier to ignore you.
I never once insulted you. I simply insisted you do what an adult does
Said with a straight face at that
It's an old Mad Magazine bit.
AND IT'S A PICTURE!
****BRAVO!****
lol tw just takes the bit in his teeth once in a while.
That was pretty embarrassing.
Welcome to the cellar Sabrina!
Not a picture but still funny and political.
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Absolutely right on target. Goes double for our administration.
Not a picture but still funny and political.
John Belushi would have done it better - and with fewer word.
That guy does not have John's eyebrows.
Heh, that's awfully close to "Peace, through superior firepower.".
Meh, not a suicide bomber in the bunch.
Meh, not a suicide bomber in the bunch.
The guy farthest right is Timothy McVeigh (or his twin brother).
Tw sees dead people. :worried:
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PA around 1950...
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Don't let your daughter get arthritic hands playing with her Golliwog doll.
My first impulse is to laugh, but it's worked before and it'll work again, for some.
I tried clicking on the X to close that pop-up; but, it didn't work.
Mongo only a pawn in the game of life...
Trump doesn't fake it, he has played golf 365 days so far in his term.
You know GHW Bush looks like an actual athlete. Epstein's buddies not so much.
There must be a significant perceived political benefit for a President to exercise in public. It would be so much cheaper to put a gym's worth of equipment inside the White House and not have to deal with Secret Service protection, etc.
It used to be important to show opposition to : pride, greed, wrath, envy, lust, gluttony, and sloth. Those are now virtues to 40% of the electorate.
Hey right, I could run for president, at least be a contender... I could be somebody. :crone:
Jogging and dogs is the winning combination for wholesomeness...
... I could be somebody.
Would that somebody be a minimalistic plagiarizer?
Joe Biden doing Johnny Carson.
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Antifa wanted more muscle so they have enlisted or drafted the cats...
well, everyone knows All Cats Are Beautiful, so,
well, everyone knows All Cats Are Beautiful, so,
Kittys Good
Someone sent me a T-shirt...
Har
Both of those are excellent
#Dumbkirk
#Poseidon for Biden
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According to my GF, who has a collie degree, (PhD in American History) That is pretty much the truth of the founding of this country. Wealthy white men designing a system of government that favored wealthy white men staying wealthy, getting wealthier, being wealthiest. It wasn't until 1810-1840 that there was even a symbolic gesture of democratizion when states dropped their land owning requirements for the right (of white men) to vote.
Everyone else can get back to work bc there's nothing to worry your pretty little, or nappy little, heads about-the great white fathers will take care of everything.
It wasn't until 1810-1840 that there was even a symbolic gesture of democratizion when states dropped their land owning requirements for the right (of white men) to vote.
Notice how long was required for change to finally happen. Women finally got the 19th Amendment (the vote) in 1920. Simultaneously, America started becoming a wealthiest nation as unions finally achieved power.
Number that measures this is a Gini coefficient. Whereas the entire industrial world since WWII has seen this number remains in the twenties or mid thirties, the US income inequality has increased to be a highest number: low to mid-forties. Even Canada has not suffered this inequality.
Curiously, a Gini coefficient for France dropped significantly. Which explains why France rose to be one of the world's most productive nations. And one year topped a list of world's most productive nations.
We only got to vote for senators in 1913.
When they were designing the government Ben Franklin wanted the politicians in Washington to be unpaid. Do it as a public service. That would assure only rich men would be running the show. :rolleyes:
He continues to top himself...
maybe not ha-ha funny but
Liberal and conservative means decisions immediately based in emotional attachments.
Moderates first learn facts before making a conclusion. Moderates are not driven by rhetoric. Moderates are informed. Conclusions come later.
Both Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are similar. Both are only driven by entrenched political biases. (In Donald's case, exaggerated by his mental abilities - a 30 second attention span.)
Must be a commie artist insulting our Dear Leader...
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