16 year olds party on
Yes, because it's definitely a teenage issue, not a rich people being stupid issue, or a stupid people telling stupid people issue, or a counterculture/anticulture issue, or a recurring internet-related problem like the bottom of the story actually SAID or anything... Yep, totally just teenagers' faults, like everything, damn punk kid slut bitches.
Oh, wait...
Yep, totally just teenagers' faults, like everything, damn punk kid slut bitches.
Oh, wait...
Glad we agree.:D
And that's nothing compared to sporting events.
Grownups party on.
Now if you would have posted something about a european soccer game there might be a remote comparison, but given that this is not even remotely like "teens gone wild"... those trusted couple hundred teens. They must have all had bad up bringings from bad families.:rolleyes:
Yes, because it's definitely a teenage issue, not a rich people being stupid issue, or a stupid people telling stupid people issue, or a counterculture/anticulture issue, or a recurring internet-related problem like the bottom of the story actually SAID or anything... Yep, totally just teenagers' faults, like everything, damn punk kid slut bitches.
Oh, wait...
Calm down. What's wrong with, "16 year olds party on"' except most could have been a year or two older or younger? The "hostess" was 16 and this
was a teenage problem. Don't write between the lines.
Ugh, I think I'm going to go pro-gun on this issue and pull out the shotgun.
Who isn't going to leave now?
Uh, isn't this England, piercehawkeye45?
Hmmm...I'm wondering what the point of this thread is. Having a go at teenagers or rich people or the internet or what?
that puppies one was very funny. :)
Wow, what a party.
The last party I went to only featured guys peeing in a closet, a small fire, a few uninvited, loud guests, questionable hookups, raging insults, and a smartass drunk chick (me) being told by a worn-out friend to get the hell away from him. But most of us were over 30. :D
I have never known people with such disrespect for personal property as teenagers. I wasn't like this myself as a teen, but I knew people who were. They do not behave in this fashion now, so I can only assume it was age-related.
Most teenagers are not forced to mature or just choose not too.
Most teenagers are not forced to mature or just choose not too.
That's a fact Jack.
This reminds me of an article in a recent SciAm called "The Myth of the Teenage Brain". Essentially the idea that teenagers are mentally different from adults is a complete farce with all the scientific data pointing to mental maturity before 13. Amazing how fast science gets chucked out the window in favor of an easy scapegoat...
This reminds me of an article in a recent SciAm called "The Myth of the Teenage Brain". Essentially the idea that teenagers are mentally different from adults is a complete farce with all the scientific data pointing to mental maturity before 13. Amazing how fast science gets chucked out the window in favor of an easy scapegoat...
Actually it is more funny that someone would hang their hat on the ramblings of a single article of research. But I do see it all the time. Someone gets their stuff published and it makes the head lines, only to find out later that the research is bogus. Great news... NOT. :neutral:
Do a little research of your own and you'll soon see that this isn't just a single paper I'm talking about, but you would also know that if you've ever actually read Scientific American. The idea of teenagers being immature in any neurological sense is a very recent phenomenon based far more on parents needing something to assuage their own feelings of frustration then on any sort of hard evidence. Historical and sociological data also points overwhelmingly towards a mental maturity date far younger then most people have led themselves to believe.
Follow the science if you want any sort of real answer...or delude yourself and sit in a dark room if you prefer.
Do a little research of your own and you'll soon see that this isn't just a single paper I'm talking about, but you would also know that if you've ever actually read Scientific American. The idea of teenagers being immature in any neurological sense is a very recent phenomenon based far more on parents needing something to assuage their own feelings of frustration then on any sort of hard evidence. Historical and sociological data also points overwhelmingly towards a mental maturity date far younger then most people have led themselves to believe.
Follow the science if you want any sort of real answer...or delude yourself and sit in a dark room if you prefer.
Or you can follow any sort of published science and it will lead you to where ever you care for it to go. For every article you can find to support your notions, someone can find something to refute it. The way of the world of science and statistical study is nothing new.
There are some issues with being a teen; hormone surges that cause issues with focus, staying awake or going to sleep at the right times, overwhelming emotions, some others...
However, none of them are things that cannot be dealt with, and have not been by myself and others for most of history, by focus, self-respect and the concept of accountability.
Something most parents wait to try to teach their kids until it is far too late for them to accept.
Do a little research of your own and you'll soon see that this isn't just a single paper I'm talking about, but you would also know that if you've ever actually read Scientific American. The idea of teenagers being immature in any neurological sense is a very recent phenomenon based far more on parents needing something to assuage their own feelings of frustration then on any sort of hard evidence. Historical and sociological data also points overwhelmingly towards a mental maturity date far younger then most people have led themselves to believe.
Follow the science if you want any sort of real answer...or delude yourself and sit in a dark room if you prefer.
mental maturity is not the same as emotional maturity.
that said, this thread is now toast because the original article is no longer available.
But I see it cam from the Daily Mail. Was it about Brit teens going nuts? Because you cannot compare the behaviour of Brit teens and American teens. The cultural differences are too big. Not that that makes bad behaviour OK, but is seems like the American teens here are defending themselves against something they could never be. (thankfully)
That was still very impressive attack speed by merc there, 1 post to all-out slash language on the reliability of science. The interesting idea is actually not so much the date of mental maturity, it's the secondary conclusion that the adverse behavior displayed by teens in many developed nations is primarily cultural/sociological in nature. Not something entirely novel I know, but perhaps that's the implication which set off the little outburst there?:cool:
This topic is wasted on a dead-end thread, deserves at least it's own one in the medical section...
Even with mental and emotional maturity established, don't underestimate the advantage of "time in grade" which gives you cumulative feedback on your fuck-ups.
The societal, rolled up newspaper on the nose, helps the judgment process considerably.
Was it about Brit teens going nuts? Because you cannot compare the behaviour of Brit teens and American teens. The cultural differences are too big. Not that that makes bad behaviour OK, but is seems like the American teens here are defending themselves against something they could never be. (thankfully)
It was about a 16 year old having an unchaperoned party where tons of uninvited guests showed up and trashed the house. This has happened here in the states numerous times and I'll bet it's not the first time in GB. Cultural differences are transcended in these situations.
Even with mental and emotional maturity established, don't underestimate the advantage of "time in grade" which gives you cumulative feedback on your fuck-ups.
The societal, rolled up newspaper on the nose, helps the judgment process considerably.
Good point...
It was about a 16 year old having an unchaperoned party where tons of uninvited guests showed up and trashed the house. This has happened here in the states numerous times and I'll bet it's not the first time in GB. Cultural differences are transcended in these situations.
A mature kid calls the cops.
A mature kid calls the cops.
Exactly. If a party goes out of hand that is the most efficent way of getting rid of everyone and prevent further damage to your parents house. Who cares if you get a drinking ticket? It is a lot better than getting your parent's house trashed.
I think it's interesting that Merc would first tell 9th that he shouldn't accept an answer from one paper and then when he's informed that there was more than one source he changed it to, "everyone can find research to prove their point".
I want to know what Mercs point is.
And more importantly, what research backs it up.
Last night at about 6pm it became obvious that there was a teenage party on at a house just up the street from us. Dazza and I were on our way to drop off our boys at a blue light disco (a little kids dance party at the local pcyc) and there were kids comming down through the neighbourhood from all over the place. By the time we got back (about 30 minutes) there would have been about 100 people at the house. 2 hours later when we went out to pick the kids up from their disco, there were probably 200 people at the house and more comming, all with their mobile phones in their hands.
We sat on the front verandah for a while and watched what was going on and the kids kept comming. They were pretty much all drinking and there was a lot of unruly behaviour.
At this point I decided to ring the police and let them know that there was a party going on that looked to be growing exponentially. I apparently wasn't the first to report this particular party. The cops did a drive by and then came back shortly with 5 cars and a paddy wagon. There were arrests and kids running in all directions. After about an hour things were pretty quiet. I rang the police and thanked them for the job they did. I was amazed at how stoked they were about a compliment.
This morning my boys and a couple of other kids from the street went out and collected all the empty bottles and cans from the street. They collected over 100. They also found 4 shirts and a backpack which was empty. We've hung the shirts on the fence in case anyone comes looking for them, but I don't expect they will although they're nice shirts.
This can happen anywhere. Even in your street. It's a big problem in western society these days.
There was a rash of house trashing parties in the news here, awhile back, but haven't heard of any lately. It happens to somebody rich and famous, and they all get reported for awhile. After that they're kinda hush-hushed by the locals out of misplaced embarrassment and the press goes along until it happens to a celebrity again.
These sort of parties are just so common these days. It's incredible how quickly they get out of control. One minute it's a bunch of kids having a good time, then the next minute there's no control what so ever.
I hope my kids have enough sense to keep themselves safe when they're old enough to be in these situations. I think that's the thing I think about the most when I see these things.
I went to alot of parties as a teen. Beach parties, parties at the park with a bonfire, Parties in peoples houses I didn't know. I am glad people didn't call the police. People were cool. Kids were just having a good time. Everyone seemed happy. Those were the good ole days.
Aliantha...just curious. What KIND of unruly behavior? Loud music? laughing? talking loud?
Just wondering what I would concider abnormal unruly for a teen? wet shirt contest? group sex? probably.
Well, teenage parties, and alcohol, does lead to a lot of virginity being sacrificed.
ahh to be on the edge of 17 again.
Yeah, either edge... or within earshot of the edge... or even remember the edge... [SIZE="1"]sigh[/SIZE].
Just wondering what I would concider abnormal unruly for a teen? wet shirt contest? group sex? probably.
Pushing and shoving. Yelling obscenities from half a block away. Very drunk young ladies being escorted by groups of equally drunk young men. Boys walking around waving empty bottles in a threatening manner. Leaning on cars parked on the street or in driveways (ours included). Vomitting in the street etc etc etc.
Those were the things I considered to be of the most concern. Other than that it was just a party with the usual loud music and people having fun. As with most things, not all aspects of the party were bad, but some were and they needed some guidance.
Well, teenage parties, and alcohol, does lead to a lot of virginity being sacrificed.
This is true. It's nothing to see a young girl passed out on the ground and for there to be some drunk guy feeling her up - at the least. Aside from all the people who have had their judgement impaired by alcohol to the point that they consent to something they normally wouldn't.
It's very bad for teenagers.
Last night at about 6pm it became obvious that there was a teenage party on at a house just up the street from us.
Was Ib there? cause apparently according to him teens don't do such things.
still trolling
Not... that would be responding. As are you free to do.
ok, my response is that I've never seen Ibram make such a statement. Why are you trying to goad him?
ok, my response is that I've never seen Ibram make such a statement. Why are you trying to goad him?
I am not trying to "goad" him. Only responding to his previous statements. Ask him. And read more.
I don't need to ask him. I've read the thread and there is nowhere that Ibram states that partying is something teenagers don't do.
So again, what's your point?
IB: Yes, because it's definitely a teenage issue, not a rich people being stupid issue, or a stupid people telling stupid people issue, or a counterculture/anticulture issue, or a recurring internet-related problem like the bottom of the story actually SAID or anything... Yep, totally just teenagers' faults, like everything, damn punk kid slut bitches.
And there you have it.
There you have what?
If I read it litterally, it just confirms the opposite of what you accused him of.
If I read it as intended, he's saying that parties out of control are not just teeagers and that there are a lot of other scenarios that haven't been mentioned.
There you have what?
If I read it litterally, it just confirms the opposite of what you accused him of.
If I read it as intended, he's saying that parties out of control are not just teeagers and that there are a lot of other scenarios that haven't been mentioned.
Are you kidding? he confirms what I said. Teens are often out of control.
I'd work on the reading comprehension if I were you.
I'd work on the reading comprehension if I were you.
Coming from a teen, advice I would rarely consider. Really now son.
You're welcome Ibram. It's always a bitch when someone misquotes others.
As with most things, not all aspects of the party were bad, but some were and they needed some guidance.
sounds like it !
I don't know how such things are handled there but these days with the zero tolerance laws in my state makes it very expensive for minors and their parents to get the law involved.
I wish it were as sensible as 'guidance' when the law is involved but it really seems like a police state...esp when minors are involved at least it is here anyway.
Coming from a teen, advice I would rarely consider. Really now son.
Please don't condecend him. He is quite an evolved guy in my estimation.
Well the cops here gave them a fair go. There was no battering or anything like that. They just cruised around telling them to move along. Basically dispersing the crowd as much as possible. The ones who refused to go or were abusive towards them were the ones that were arrested. Probably half a dozen or so suffered this fate.
I think they did a good job or sorting it out.
Well the cops here gave them a fair go. There was no battering or anything like that. They just cruised around telling them to move along. Basically dispersing the crowd as much as possible. The ones who refused to go or were abusive towards them were the ones that were arrested. Probably half a dozen or so suffered this fate.
I think they did a good job or sorting it out.
I applaud them. Well done.
Well the cops here gave them a fair go. There was no battering or anything like that. They just cruised around telling them to move along. Basically dispersing the crowd as much as possible. The ones who refused to go or were abusive towards them were the ones that were arrested. Probably half a dozen or so suffered this fate.
I think they did a good job or sorting it out.
sounds sensible enough :)
Coming from a teen, advice I would rarely consider. Really now son.
Well now that's Ib, Ali and I who understand Ib's statement and just Merc who doesn't get it. Any more voters?
...Oh wait -Merc is a USC in the US. We forgot to allow for the sarcasm/humour bypass.....
When read without this comprehension tool, he's right. It's worrying that he isn't the only one with this disability. Question is, should we allow him a special parking pass?
We should get rkz to sort that one out. lol
Question is, should we allow him a special parking pass?
Yes.
And I just can't trust the opinion of teens with the worldly experience of zero years as an adult having never experienced any degree of adult responsibility. Sorry about that.
Good judgement can come from age and common sense. You are only seeing the kids without the second Merc. You would be suprised how mature most teens can actually be, you are just not hearing about them.
Good judgement can come from age and common sense. You are only seeing the kids without the second Merc. You would be suprised how mature most teens can actually be, you are just not hearing about them.
I am sure they are out there. Just not in any large numbers.
I don't know how such things are handled there but these days with the zero tolerance laws in my state makes it very expensive for minors and their parents to get the law involved.
I wish it were as sensible as 'guidance' when the law is involved but it really seems like a police state...esp when minors are involved at least it is here anyway.
Yes. Around here, anyone that was at a party where the authorities are convinced there was booze or drugs, would be barred from all extra curricular activities at school, with no proof they had anything to do with either. Draconian is putting it mildly.
And are those draconian rules helping the situation at all do you think?
I'd guess they just make kids even more resentful and rebellious.
Hell no, it makes them resentful and more secretive with their parents. It's unfair bullshit that will bite the rule makers in the ass because it will cause the kids to lose any respect for all authority.
Don't Hmmm me, spit it out.
Yes. Around here, anyone that was at a party where the authorities are convinced there was booze or drugs, would be barred from all extra curricular activities at school, with no proof they had anything to do with either. Draconian is putting it mildly.
Well I think it's just the times we live in with these knee jerk reactions to normal human growing up pains?
When I was a teenager someone could take a punch in the nose without getting handcuffed. Someone could be upset without the need for a 'special' something and a place to talk about it. Someone who broke the law got their parents called. People shouldn't be so quick to 'get involved' and make laws about things that a parent should be getting involved in.
I wonder where were all the parents of those kids? It just takes one parent to show up for the party to end. Grown ups and parents should be the authority and not the police.
If the party was bothering me I would have walked over and asked whoever was in charge to get it under control please. Warn them that some of the neighbors could call the police and again warn them that they need to take care of the really drunk people. That's the way it was or should be...
in my opinion which I know dosn't mean very much.
....oh yeah and I know that in a really rough party my voice would be drowned out by the very loud music or my shoe might get barfed on.:p
At a really rough party you're likely to get your head split open by some drunk teenager who doesn't like being told what to do.