Low Resolution Illustration

My drumset as a 256-color bitmap:

Geez, think youve got enough cymbals? Youve got more than peart!

Ibram;333905 wrote:

Geez, think youve got enough cymbals?

Everything in this setup serves a specific purpose: bilateral redundancy.

Everything has a functional symmetry: my snare is directly in front of me, with a bass drum pedal either side. My 10" and 12" toms are directly in front of that. The right and left hands each have a group consisting of: 13" high-hats, a 12" china, and an 18" crash. To the left of my left-hand high-hat there is a 10" snare (or high tom). To the right of my right-hand high-hat there is a 14" tom. The right-hand side also has an 18" ride and a 16" crash; ideally my left-hand side would have these options as well (pending space/hardware constraints).

The purposes of this setup are to encourage balance between my left and right hands (specifically to encourage my left hand technique), and to provide a symmetry to encourage balanced left and right foot patterns as I develop double bass technique.

Oh, and that big thing right in the middle is a 22" china with a 10" splash upside-down directly on top of it; a dark, trashy sound with no sustain. It's not really necessary, but I have a cymbal stand on the top of my double-tom mount. At a gig, I would probably just have a 12" splash there.

Ibram;333905 wrote:

Youve got more than peart!

Are you kidding me? This is Peart's signature Paragon (Sabian) setup:

I was exaggeration with the peart comparison, but still... dayum, man!

Thank you, I'm very pleased with this setup.
Here is a current photo... note the amount of drum gear my wife puts up with in the living room. I've included a detail of the mini-drumset.

and to provide a symmetry to encourage balanced left and right foot patterns as I develop double bass technique.

so....where's the other bass drum?

lumberjim;333978 wrote:

so....where's the other bass drum?

I have a new double pedal. (My single pedal now hits whatever auxilliary gadgets I can clamp to a 3/8" rod.)
The red lines in the original illustration are where my legs would be positioned while on the two bass pedals.

so....where's the other bass drum?

Two pedals that hit the same drum, lj.

no, i don't think so, ib. there's only one pedal in font of that bass drum. it looks like he has the 2nd pedal hitting a tambourine at the moment......i was just asking if he has another bass drum that's not set up, or if he has yet to get it....and is practicing double bass technique without it. not that it really matters all that much.....

anyway...cool drums, flint. cute baby too. looks a lot like you. not that i think you're cute. those two comments should be processed separately.

A double pedal links the left pedal, via u-joints, to a second spring assembly and beater on the primary bass drum.

The other shot I've included here shows approximately what I see when sitting behind the kit (note the symmetry).

far out. i stand corrected. one bass drum. I've never seen that before. verrrry high tech.

The entire linkage between the two pedal mechanisms is made from machined aluminum (including the u-joints). You can pull the two beaters back and let them swing freely, next to each other, and it takes the left beater about ten swings through to start losing momentum to the point that it gets out of synch with the right pedal (in other words, the "action" is the same on both pedals, which allows using them equally).

That extra pedal out there hitting the tambourine used to be my primary pedal, until I got the 5000 series double pedal.

Your wife is VERY tolerant

Are the variable length bundled cardboard tubes one of those hollow tone slappy thing instruments? I've been wanting to make one of those out of suspended pvc lengths.

You know, apart from the ocean of cymbals, the kit is pretty standard. Bass, snare, double foretoms, one floor tom. Nice rig, that.

Elspode;334030 wrote:

Are the variable length bundled cardboard tubes one of those hollow tone slappy thing instruments?
I've been wanting to make one of those out of suspended pvc lengths.

Yeah, those are cardboard "octobans" - an instrument which scraps of PVC tube seems destined to become. When I worked in residential construction, I would "play" the end of various lengths of PVC as I cut it, listening to how the length changed the pitch. As a matter of fact, right now I have a box full of 12" rims in the garage. I plan to put standard lugs, rims, and heads on lengths of 12" PVC to make... hopefully giant tuned bass cannons. I'm intrigued that you say "suspended" lengths, though. Suspension mounting is a big thing with drums, because hardware taps the resonance out. But I guess you already knew that!

Anyway, I have a knew Low Resolution Illustration. This one shows the Ergonomic considerations I make when setting up my kit. I set up my snare and my throne, then place the bass drum pedals where my feet naturally rest. The bass drum comes straight out from my right leg (note that the bass drum is not the actual "front" of the kit). My high hat is straight out from my left leg, when shifted just to the left of the left bass drum pedal. With those core components in place, the toms can be placed within the green lines (the line down the middle of the bass drum indicates the highest point, which limits placement of deeper toms).

I have this diagram in my head as I set up my gear. Here, I have reproduced it as a 256-color bitmap, created entirely with MS Paint.

lumberjim;334008 wrote:

... cute baby too. looks a lot like you. not that i think you're cute. those two comments should be processed separately.

I can't think of a witty retort that I feel comfortable making here, in resonse to a comment that peripherally involves my little bug.

DucksNuts;334019 wrote:

Your wife is VERY tolerant

Yes, they take up plenty of space, but she loves me, and drumming is part of who I am. When we lived in a tiny apartment, with no space for drums, she went out and bought me a djembe (hand drum). She said that living with me, without drums in the house, just didn't feel right. Also, little bug loves Papa's drums. She heard Papa's drums the whole time she was in the belly. Papa's drums make bug happy.

It'd be much easier to let this camel toe go through my stockings than to try and fix it with this needle right now. Heavens, i just need a rich man. Oh my kingdom for a new pair of- eye eye yai!

Martha
11.30 p.m.

What the bleep are you beepin' about, chick?:worried:

My sig line, I think.

Tsk tsk, stefania - making fun of the BIBLE? Naughty naughty!

Ooh, nice drums and drawing. And the baby is sooo cute!

Do you still play djembe at all? I danced a solo with a djembe player providing live accompaniment once. It was lots of fun.

I do keyboard, and I'm learning Bass, so this is kinda like greek to me, but I like it.

This is fascinating stuff, Flint. I'm sure you're probably too well trained to change, but would it not be more ergonomically comfortable to reverse the pedals? As in, the ball of the foot remains on the floor pad while the heel is lifted up and down? That way you would have the benefit of the weight of your calves and part of your thighs working for you. I see no difficulty in designing such a linkage.

Also, would it help to strike a beat on the upward motion as well? No problems there, either. Could easily be designed to be selective.

Pardon me, Texas, but I'm an engineer and such things are downright fun to me.

@Hyoi: You have some great ideas! In fact, they have been proven not only to be valid from an engineering standpoint, but also to be marketable. The Sonor Giant Step Twin Effect pedal captures the heel motion, while the Duallist Single-Foot Double Pedal captures the upward stroke.

That's downright slick. Well, it's back to the hydrostatic transmission (front wheel drive, variable speed steering, articulated chassis, regenerative braking).

Thanks, Texas.