NJ governor takes a hit

milkfish • Apr 14, 2007 10:55 am
The big news around here is that his honor Jon Corzine is laid up in intensive care after his SUV was struck and forced off of the Garden State Parkway. Some of the most heated debate revolves around the governor's not having his seatbelts on at the time of the incident, which would likely have helped him to avoid the fifteen fractures he sustained.

I hear that the fine for not buckling up is $46. Last heard, Corzine was personally worth upwards of $70M. That'll teach him.
Beestie • Apr 14, 2007 11:01 pm
Some say he was on his way to pay a visit to the I-man.
duck_duck • Apr 15, 2007 12:09 am
What a disaster :(
Crimson Ghost • Apr 15, 2007 3:01 am
From what I hear, he'll be out of commission for at least 6 months.

Now, this raises an interesting situation.

New Jersey's policy is that if an acting governor is in place for 180 combined days, he will be considered Governor.

Now, Codey has, if I recall correctly, 2-3 months in already, from 2 previous stints as acting governor. If he is in office for more than 180 days, will he be the defacto governor of this fair state, or will he have to turn the reins of office over to Corzine if Corzine resumes his duties?

I don't think this situation has happened here before, but I could be wrong...

BTW, milkfish, what area of NNJ are you from?
Ibby • Apr 15, 2007 4:52 am
duck_duck;333882 wrote:
What a disaster :(



Bad? Yes, people getting hurt is bad.


Disaster? Not by a long shot.
Thousands dying in Darfur is a disaster.
Thousands dying in Iraq is a disaster.
9/11 was a disaster.
My iPod dying was a disaster. (well okay, maybe not that one)

This? This is just some old man getting in a wreck and, yes, getting hurt, but not dying. Not a disaster by any means, to anyone but him and the driver who surely got fired.
milkfish • Apr 15, 2007 1:07 pm
Yes, the gov was on the way to mediate the Imus situation, but they came to a decision without him anyway.

Crimson Ghost;333895 wrote:

Now, Codey has, if I recall correctly, 2-3 months in already, from 2 previous stints as acting governor. If he is in office for more than 180 days, will he be the defacto governor of this fair state, or will he have to turn the reins of office over to Corzine if Corzine resumes his duties?

I don't think this situation has happened here before, but I could be wrong...

BTW, milkfish, what area of NNJ are you from?


I don't think Codey much wants the job. He could have had it before. The way things are now here, I wouldn't want the job either.

I'm in Dumont, smack in the middle of Bergen County. But we are transplants, only having been here about 10 years.
Crimson Ghost • Apr 15, 2007 3:29 pm
No shit?

Bogota.
milkfish • Apr 15, 2007 4:49 pm
Crimson Ghost;333958 wrote:

Bogota.


Ah, the borough whose name constitutes an ironclad test for Bergen County nativehood.

The authorities located the guy whose pickup truck initiated the whole accident, questioned him, then let him go, on the grounds that he didn't know he was the cause. What? that never happens!
Griff • Apr 15, 2007 7:55 pm
We drove through Jersey today. There was a wee bit o' water on the road. Well more like a foot and a half. The subaru did it but maybe a snorkel tube would be wise next time.
Crimson Ghost • Apr 15, 2007 8:50 pm
milkfish;333969 wrote:
Ah, the borough whose name constitutes an ironclad test for Bergen County nativehood.


How true.
I grew up in Mahwah, lived in Ramsey, Englewood, Hackensack, and Rutherford.
When the wife (Born in Dublin, Ireland, raised in New Milford) and I went looking for an apartment, I found one here.
When I told her where it was, she said "Where the hell is that?"

milkfish;333969 wrote:
The authorities located the guy whose pickup truck initiated the whole accident, questioned him, then let him go, on the grounds that he didn't know he was the cause. What? that never happens!


Then it is announced that he's a special needs driver.
I assume that means handicapped.
I always thought special needs meant mentally disabled.
Then we hear that he works for the Casino Gaming Commision (or whatever the name is).
Always bet on green, sonny.
bigw00dy • Apr 16, 2007 7:19 am
I was stuck in traffic jam that followed Corzine's accident. When I finally drove by his mangled suv, I thought for sure someone had died of a result. Later that night, I found out it was the govenor.
..On a side note, I don't believe the story the driver of the red Ford told authorities.
....on a side note of a side note, the red Ford driver lives 2 miles from me.
tw • Apr 16, 2007 9:58 am
Best I can tell, Corzine is lucky to be alive. He was thrown from the front seat into the third row (according to press reports). Crashes like this, when involving SUVs, usually roll over. That because that SUV is so unstable. One in four roll overs involve fatalities. Apparently his driver did a spectacular job of avoiding that roll over.

Corzine's SUV had plenty of room to avoid the white truck. But his SUV hit that white truck suggesting a collision caused the SUV to swear significantly. Swerving so great that the SUV could not use that room to safely pass a white truck. SUVs easily roll over once they swerve like that.

Meanwhile, why is the Governor's convoy driving at such excessive speeds? 20+ MPH difference from cars in other lanes is excessively dangerous. Can't he leave early enough to meet Imus like everyone else? Why is that question also not being asked? In the same county, a state trooper was doing the same excessive speeding and killed two sisters. At what point do we hold those in power responsible for their actions?

Just a few more questions that ask about the bigger picture.
Undertoad • Apr 17, 2007 5:00 pm
NJ State Police: Corzine driver was going 91 MPH
glatt • Apr 17, 2007 5:10 pm
A law enforcement official with knowledge of the security detail said Corzine's driver likely drove slightly faster than the traffic flow to keep another vehicle from riding alongside the governor, posing a possible security breach.


What a lame excuse.
Crimson Ghost • Apr 17, 2007 6:51 pm
N.J. Gov.'s SUV Went 91 Mph Before Crash Updated 6:07 PM ET April 17, 2007
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By ANGELA DELLI SANTI
TRENTON, N.J. (AP) - The sport utility vehicle carrying Gov. Jon S. Corzine was traveling about 91 mph moments before it crashed, the superintendent of state police said Tuesday.
The governor was critically injured when the vehicle crashed into a guardrail on the Garden State Parkway just north of Atlantic City last week. He apparently was not wearing his seat belt as he rode in the front passenger's seat.
The speed limit along that stretch of the parkway is 65 mph.
The state trooper-driven SUV was in the left lane with its emergency lights flashing when a pickup tried to get out of its way. Instead, it set off a chain reaction that resulted in the crash.
Corzine broke his left thigh bone, 11 ribs, collarbone and chest bone. He also fractured a vertebrae in his lower back.
He remained in critical but stable condition Tuesday and doctors were assessing when he might be ready to breathe without a ventilator.
Doctors have said he doesn't have brain damage or paralysis, and is doing well for someone who sustained so many injuries.
The driver, trooper Robert Rasinski, could be charged if investigators determine the crash was preventable, Superintendent of State Police Col. Rick Fuentes said.
Rasinski and an aide to the governor were not seriously hurt.
There is no timetable for when Corzine may be able to resume governing the state. Sen. President Richard J. Codey is acting governor.
Once Corzine is breathing unassisted, he should be able to speak. That milestone would make it possible for physical therapists to do more to help him regain use of his leg _ a process expected to take up to six months.
Corzine, a 60-year-old former investment banker, gave up his seat in the U.S. Senate to become governor in 2006.
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Associated Press writers Geoff Mulvihill in Camden and Tom Hester Jr. in Trenton contributed to this report.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.



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Here's the best part -

"The driver, trooper Robert Rasinski, could be charged if investigators determine the crash was preventable, Superintendent of State Police Col. Rick Fuentes said."

Was the Imus meeting so important that Corzine needed to be there?
If he had to be there, did he need to get there that fast?
Apparently, a vehicle traveling alongside his SUV is less of a problem than a stationary I-beam.

Of course the trooper will be blamed, even considering that the gov was more than likely ordering him to increase his speed.
Sheldonrs • Apr 17, 2007 7:02 pm
milkfish;333948 wrote:
Yes, the gov was on the way to mediate the Imus situation, but they came to a decision without him anyway.



I don't think Codey much wants the job. He could have had it before. The way things are now here, I wouldn't want the job either.

I'm in Dumont, smack in the middle of Bergen County. But we are transplants, only having been here about 10 years.


As a former Passaic County resident (Clifton), I laugh at you! haha!

:D

Ps: Also lived in Fairlawn, Elmwood Park (when it was still East Paterson and after) Ridgewood, Moonachie, Parkridge and a few others.
BigV • Apr 18, 2007 3:30 pm
CG--I believe the trooper will be blamed, and justifiably so. Even soldiers are exempt from illegal orders. Come on, would you suggest that the Governor is responsible assuming he did demand that the trooper speed? Who else could it be, if not the trooper? Obviously, other vehicles around the vehicle have some responsibility too, but aren't we all trained and charged to drive safely? I have a hard time seeing how driving 91 mph on the freeway doesn't significantly reduce the margin of error, and thereby decrease the safety of the situation.
glatt • Apr 18, 2007 3:58 pm
I've seen that the SUV had "emergency lights" flashing. Does that mean hazard flashers that all SUVs come equipped with, or were they flashing lights like a cop car? Anyone know?
BigV • Apr 18, 2007 5:55 pm
A minor point *at best*. Look to all the recent changes in police department policies across the nation that are moving to "Do Not Pursue". Even the best equipped cop cars, lights, tires, etc, are being used in a safer manner, safer for the cop driver, safer for the fleeing perp, safer for the people and property whizzing by at 90 mph. Really now. If the cops are being told, "let him flee" because chasing is too dangerous, how can traveling at the same kinds of rates be "safe" for the Gov? I just don't see it.

That cliche' Speed Kills? It has more than just a grain of truth to it.
tw • Apr 18, 2007 6:32 pm
glatt;334853 wrote:
I've seen that the SUV had "emergency lights" flashing. Does that mean hazard flashers that all SUVs come equipped with, or were they flashing lights like a cop car?
The vehicle must appear as any other vehicle. Those flashing lights are typically strobe lights mounting inside headlights. Politicians don't ride in vehicles with big overhead flashing lights. But that big overhead lighting is necessary for long distance high speed travel. Well they are 'the power'. Therefore they are exempt even from wearing seat belts?

If safety was taken seriously, then an SUV would not be used. SUVs are dangerous vehicles both for its occupants and for other vehicles. You can't tell that to those who magically know without first learning facts. They are big; therefore they must be safer? Junk science reasoning.

This should have been a trivial crash. Notice, for example, that other struck vehicle had no injuries. SUV passenger compartment was completely intact. Therefore no one should have been seriously hurt. SUV had no reason for doing more than 10 MPH more than adjacent cars. None. Not even for security reasons.

Again numbers. Assuming the other vehicle was doing the speed limit (65 MPH), then SUV brakes had to dissipate double energy which would explain why the SUV could not slow or stop sufficiently. By going too fast, SUV energy content was double what it should have been. But again, this SUV probably should have rolled considering how much it (reported to be) was swerving.

Every report should start with irresponsible actions of that Governor, his staff, or his security detail. Oh. Blame Imus.
TheMercenary • Apr 18, 2007 8:55 pm
If you drive 65 mph on any major highway in NJ you will get run over. I'm just saying...
rkzenrage • Apr 18, 2007 9:24 pm
Ibram;333904 wrote:
Bad? Yes, people getting hurt is bad.


Disaster? Not by a long shot.
Thousands dying in Darfur is a disaster.
Thousands dying in Iraq is a disaster.
9/11 was a disaster.
My iPod dying was a disaster. (well okay, maybe not that one)

This? This is just some old man getting in a wreck and, yes, getting hurt, but not dying. Not a disaster by any means, to anyone but him and the driver who surely got fired.

I am pretty sure it is a disaster for his family and loved ones... your post is callous and shows a true lack of compassion.
Ibby • Apr 18, 2007 9:31 pm
Note how I did say that it was bad, and that i qualified it by saying it was a disaster for him (and his driver but I was kinda half-kidding about that). Me stubbing my toe is a disaster too, to myself, especially if I was carrying something.
We're not on the same page here, I don't think. There're disasters and there're DISASTERS.
Crimson Ghost • Apr 19, 2007 3:07 am
BigV;334833 wrote:
CG--I believe the trooper will be blamed, and justifiably so. Even soldiers are exempt from illegal orders. Come on, would you suggest that the Governor is responsible assuming he did demand that the trooper speed? Who else could it be, if not the trooper? Obviously, other vehicles around the vehicle have some responsibility too, but aren't we all trained and charged to drive safely? I have a hard time seeing how driving 91 mph on the freeway doesn't significantly reduce the margin of error, and thereby decrease the safety of the situation.


It doesn't seem that the trooper will be blamed, after all... -------------------------------------------------------------- Corzine SUV clocked at 91 mph
Wednesday, April 18, 2007 (Bergen Record)
By ELISE YOUNG and JOHN P. McALPIN TRENTON BUREAU


Governor Corzine's SUV was traveling 91 mph, its emergency lights flashing, just before it slammed into a metal barrier on the Garden State Parkway, state police authorities said Tuesday.

It was the first official word on the speed of the black Chevrolet Suburban, five days after the wreck that critically injured the governor. The posted limit on that portion of the parkway in Galloway Township, in Atlantic County, is 65 mph.

"All investigative data point to a speed of approximately 91 mph five seconds before impact with the guide rail," according to a state police statement. "The vehicle's speed at the time of impact with the guard rail was approximately 30 mph."

The information came from the SUV's crash-data system, the so-called "black box" that continuously records and overwrites 5 seconds of material leading to a crash, or activates just before an airbag deploys.

Corzine remained in critical but stable condition Tuesday night at Cooper University Hospital in Camden. He had no signs of pneumonia and infection, two potentially life-threatening complications while he is treated for a broken left thighbone and multiple chest fractures, his staff said.

The governor, who has been heavily sedated, was relying less on his ventilator to breathe, according to his spokesman, Anthony Coley. He also was nodding his head to answer questions.

"The family is pleased with his progress," Coley said.

In a conference call with reporters, state police Superintendent Col. Joseph "Rick" Fuentes said a panel of experts will review the accident to determine whether it was preventable, a routine procedure when a state police vehicle is involved in a crash. A member of the state Ethics Commission will join the panel to ensure transparency, he said.

Attorney General Stuart Rabner also will review the travel practices of the state police executive protection unit, Fuentes said.

In the meantime, Fuentes said Corzine's driver, Trooper Robert Rasinski, was operating within guidelines for the governor's security detail, Fuentes said. But he also noted the State Police Motor Vehicle Accident and Vehicular Pursuit Board could reach a different conclusion.

Fuentes also said that troopers have discretion to exceed the speed limit.

"Basically what happens is you're traveling on an unsecured roadway," he said. "The governor tends to get a variety of threats during the year. ... We see the environment around the governor as sometimes having an inherent risk."
But he indicated that the governor's driver shouldn't routinely flout traffic regulations.

"If it's a non-emergency situation, we would ask them to obey the traffic laws and the speed laws in the interest of safety both to the occupants of their car and the public," Fuentes said.
Fuentes said he had seen Corzine in the SUV early Thursday at the funeral of FBI Special Agent Barry Lee Bush, and he was buckled in. But his staff has said that Corzine doesn't always use a seat belt, and Tuesday's report confirmed that he was not wearing one at the time of the accident.

Fuentes also said the governor did not order Rasinski to increase speed.

David Jones, president of the State Trooper Fraternal Association, said members of the security detail -- just like their counterparts in the Secret Service, State Department and Department of Justice -- "have a job and obligation not to be boxed in or have anybody in front of them."

"He did a heroic and amazing job," Jones said of Rasinski. "He turned that vehicle into that guardrail at his side in order to save the life of the governor, and that is not in dispute."

The accident occurred Thursday night, while Corzine was heading to Princeton from Atlantic City for a meeting with disgraced radio host Don Imus and the Rutgers women's basketball team, whom he had denigrated on the air.

Investigators have interviewed the drivers of two other vehicles that had some involvement.

Kenneth Potts Jr., 20, of Little Egg Harbor, was driving a red 1991 Ford F-150. John M. Carrino Jr. of Glenwood, Sussex County, was driving a white 2003 Dodge Ram pickup.

Potts told investigators that he saw the Corzine vehicle's lights and believed it was responding to an emergency. He steered toward the shoulder to get out of the way, continued onto the grass and overcorrected to get back onto the parkway.

Back in the right lane of the two-lane road, he cut off the Ram, which swerved into the left lane, clipping the right side of the governor's SUV.

"It was not a heavy impact, but enough to push [the Suburban] over," Fuentes said.

The collision caused Rasinski to lose control and "travel toward the center median," the state police release said. He then steered to the right, which caused the SUV to slide clockwise from the road, to the shoulder and onto the grass, the release said.

The vehicle struck a milepost and hit the end of the guide rail. The rail hit behind the front wheel and the pierced the vehicle's front end all the way to the front seat floorboard, state police said.

The SUV turned 180 degrees and came to a rest with its back end atop the rail. The driver's-side curtain airbag deployed, Fuentes said.

Corzine was "thrown within the vehicle," authorities said Tuesday. His left femur, or thighbone, broke in two places and cut through the skin, leaving a 15-centimeter gash. He also cut his head and fractured 12 ribs, his clavicle, sternum and a lower vertebra.

Rasinski, who was wearing a seat belt, suffered cuts to his head and an ankle injury, Fuentes said. He remains on medical leave, and must be cleared by a state police doctor to return to duty.
E-mail: [EMAIL="younge@northjersey.com"]younge@northjersey.com[/EMAIL] and [EMAIL="mcalpin@northjersey.com"]mcalpin@northjersey.com[/EMAIL] --------------------


But, once again, I have to ask, was the Imus situation so important that Corzine had to be there to moderate?
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 24, 2007 7:40 pm
The Gov's SUV got clipped in the rear just like you see the cops on TV trying to stop a fleeing vehicle but spinning it out. It then slide sideways and did not roll over, into the end of the guardrail. At 91 mph he was traveling about 12 mph faster than normal traffic.
glatt • Apr 25, 2007 9:49 am
xoxoxoBruce;337193 wrote:
At 91 mph he was traveling about 12 mph faster than normal traffic.


You're saying that the average traffic speed on the Parkway is 79 MPH? That hasn't been my experience. I'd say the average is 70-75, with fast drivers going 80. The speed limit is 65 where the accident was.

If you are saying that they were traveling about 12 MPH faster than the fastest traffic on the road, then I agree with you. But I think they were going about 15-20 mph faster than the average traffic speed on that road.
Shawnee123 • Apr 25, 2007 11:55 am
duck_duck;333882 wrote:
What a disaster :(


Ibram;333904 wrote:
Bad? Yes, people getting hurt is bad.


Disaster? Not by a long shot.
Thousands dying in Darfur is a disaster.
Thousands dying in Iraq is a disaster.
9/11 was a disaster.
My iPod dying was a disaster. (well okay, maybe not that one)

This? This is just some old man getting in a wreck and, yes, getting hurt, but not dying. Not a disaster by any means, to anyone but him and the driver who surely got fired.


rkzenrage;334993 wrote:
I am pretty sure it is a disaster for his family and loved ones... your post is callous and shows a true lack of compassion.


Ibram;334998 wrote:
Note how I did say that it was bad, and that i qualified it by saying it was a disaster for him (and his driver but I was kinda half-kidding about that). Me stubbing my toe is a disaster too, to myself, especially if I was carrying something.
We're not on the same page here, I don't think. There're disasters and there're DISASTERS.



FOR GOD'S SAKE, people. The woman was being either compassionate or sarcastic. No big deal. No wonder everyone's in a wad these days. :right:

pick pick pick
TheMercenary • Apr 25, 2007 1:48 pm
Shawnee123;337371 wrote:
No wonder everyone's in a wad these days.


It's Bush's Fault! Dammit. :D
tw • Apr 25, 2007 2:57 pm
TheMercenary;337405 wrote:
It's Bush's Fault! Dammit.
That's supposed to be funny?
Shawnee123 • Apr 25, 2007 3:35 pm
See what I mean? More wad-making.
















When did this place become so pathetic?
wolf • Apr 25, 2007 11:23 pm
I can now not find the story that I read yesterday or the day before that said something about the gov's driver receiving an email on his blackberry at the time of the crash? Anybody else see this?

Aha! I didn't imagine it.
Did Corzine's driver get an e-mail?
New Jersey State Police are investigating an allegation that the trooper who was driving Gov. Corzine's SUV two weeks ago when it crashed going 91 m.p.h. may have been distracted by e-mails sent to his mobile phone or BlackBerry.

A Berkeley Heights police sergeant was quoted in the Star-Ledger of Newark yesterday saying he sent an e-mail shortly before the crash to Trooper Robert Rasinski, confronting him over having a two-year affair with his wife, Susan. He said he enclosed a family photo as an attachment.

wolf • Apr 25, 2007 11:33 pm
tw;337424 wrote:
That's supposed to be funny?


I giggled a little.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 26, 2007 12:35 am
glatt;337343 wrote:
You're saying that the average traffic speed on the Parkway is 79 MPH? That hasn't been my experience. I'd say the average is 70-75, with fast drivers going 80. The speed limit is 65 where the accident was.

If you are saying that they were traveling about 12 MPH faster than the fastest traffic on the road, then I agree with you. But I think they were going about 15-20 mph faster than the average traffic speed on that road.
Not at all, in NJ the left lane is doing 80 and the right/center lane doing 74/5 unless it's rush hour or there's something going on like an accident, holiday surge or police presence.