Texas state senator walks out during Muslim prayer at capital

chrisinhouston • Apr 8, 2007 9:04 am
This is my new state senator! He has also offered to buy babies for $500 from any women thinking about abortion. While some would argue that in most Muslim countries prayers by anyone from another religion would just not happen, I for one believe if we had more tolerance we would all be better off and it could just as well start here and hopefully spread.

Patrick boycotts prayer, praises religious freedom


Republican Sen. Dan Patrick on Wednesday boycotted the first prayer delivered in the Texas Senate by a Muslim cleric, and then praised religious tolerance and freedom of speech in an address at the end of the day's session.

"I think that it's important that we are tolerant as a people of all faiths, but that doesn't mean we have to endorse all faiths, and that was my decision," he said later. "I surely believe that everyone should have the right to speak, but I didn't want my attendance on the floor to appear that I was endorsing that."

Patrick, a conservative radio talk show host from Houston and self-professed Christian, said he wasn't the only senator to miss the invocation — in English and song — by the Imam Yusuf Kavakci of the Dallas Central Mosque.

But he was the only senator known to have passed out to other senators copies of a two-year-old newspaper editorial criticizing Kavakci for publicly praising two radical Islamists.

Patrick's political ally, Harris County Republican Chairman Jared Woodfill, had sharply criticized the fact that the Muslim prayer was scheduled during the week before Easter.

The timing was coincidental, said Sen. Florence Shapiro, R-Plano, who sponsored the cleric's appearance at the Capitol on the Texas Muslims Legislative Day. Shapiro is Jewish, and this also is Passover, a major Jewish holiday.

Shapiro praised Kavakci's "extensive interfaith experience" and said he represents a "substantial constituency of Texans who deserve to be represented." She said she checked out his reputation with the Anti-Defamation League and other groups to "make sure he was not somebody I would be embarrassed by."

Shapiro said she never leaves the floor when Christian ministers deliver an invocation "in Jesus' name" and doesn't consider her presence an endorsement of Christianity.

"I have a great respect for Christianity. I have a great respect for anyone who comes and prays. That's what this country was based on, its freedom of religion," she said.

Then, Patrick took the floor on a point of personal privilege and kept his Senate colleagues at their desks before the extra-long Easter weekend to share the important lesson he learned from the prayer he skipped.

Patrick explained that American soldiers, he understands now, aren’t “fighting just for Christians, they’re not fighting just for Jews or just for Muslims. They’re fighting for every American.” His newfound insight continued. “At the same time, I think about how the world looks at us, and they must be confused. We’re a nation that is so tolerant of others, we bend over backwards to allow others to pray as they wish, to dream as they wish, to speak as they wish.”

“We are a nation that allows a Muslim to come in with a Koran, but doesn’t allow a Christian to take a Bible to school,” he said. “The world must be puzzled of those Americans. But I’m not.”

“We are a Judeo-Christian nation,” Patrick said, pausing for a second before adding, “primarily a Christian nation.”

Patrick’s soliloquy appeared to be a paen to religious freedom. Or perhaps his freedom to protest religious freedom. Or perhaps his freedom to learn to understand religious freedom by protesting religious freedom. But at least he was polite.

"In many parts of the world, I know that Jews or Christians would not be given that same right, that same freedom," he said.

"The imam that was here today, he was fortunate to be in this great country."
TheMercenary • Apr 8, 2007 10:54 am
chrisinhouston;331904 wrote:
This is my new state senator! He has also offered to buy babies for $500 from any women thinking about abortion. While some would argue that in most Muslim countries prayers by anyone from another religion would just not happen, I for one believe if we had more tolerance we would all be better off and it could just as well start here and hopefully spread.


I agree with you whole heartedly. The problem we have is that this notion of religious tolerance is not a two way street. It is and should be in the US but it is not. Christians don't seem to accept Muslims, Muslims don't seem to accept Christians or we would never have heard of the word Infidel. I would submit that in the Muslim religion they do seem to be more tolerant of the fact that JC was a profit, but not the other way around. Intolerant religions has been the spark of countless wars from time BC. Now the latest fad is for non-religious people to bash those of some organized religion and visa versa.
elSicomoro • Apr 8, 2007 10:57 am
The idea of "tolerance" doesn't sound right to me. "I tolerate you"...what the fuck is that?! Why not just say "acceptance?" "I don't like your crap, but you ain't fucking with me, so I accept you for being a shithead." That works for me. :)
TheMercenary • Apr 8, 2007 10:58 am
sycamore;331932 wrote:
The idea of "tolerance" doesn't sound right to me. "I tolerate you"...what the fuck is that?! Why not just say "acceptance?" "I don't like your crap, but you ain't fucking with me, so I accept you for being a shithead." That works for me. :)


That works for me... semantics.
piercehawkeye45 • Apr 8, 2007 12:18 pm
I have a feeling he is doing this for his reputation more than anything and that thought just makes me sick.

You worship the same fucking god, this is pathetic.
busterb • Apr 8, 2007 12:37 pm
I agree with you whole heartedly. The problem we have is that this notion of religious tolerance is not a two way street. It is and should be in the US but it is not. Christians don't seem to accept Muslims
Or other Christians! Of course I use the word Christians loosely.
richlevy • Apr 8, 2007 2:50 pm
TheMercenary;331929 wrote:
to be more tolerant of the fact that JC was a profit.
I think you meant prophet, but considering the amount of fundraising being done in his name, you could make the point for either.
Hime • Apr 9, 2007 5:17 pm
TheMercenary;331929 wrote:
Christians don't seem to accept Muslims, Muslims don't seem to accept Christians or we would never have heard of the word Infidel.


Um, infidel is an English word, not one invented by Muslims. If not for Muslims we wouldn't have heard the word keffir, but hey, most of us haven't anyway.
bluecuracao • Apr 9, 2007 5:58 pm
busterb;331965 wrote:
Or other Christians! Of course I use the word Christians loosely.


When my father lived in west TX, a woman he worked with told him very matter-of-factly that he was going to hell, because he was Catholic. According to her, you had to belong to some specific Christian church to avoid eternal fiery damnation. Because Catholics and Christians are just, you know, two completely opposite sides of the coin!
piercehawkeye45 • Apr 10, 2007 12:49 am
bluecuracao;332332 wrote:
When my father lived in west TX, a woman he worked with told him very matter-of-factly that he was going to hell, because he was Catholic. According to her, you had to belong to some specific Christian church to avoid eternal fiery damnation. Because Catholics and Christians are just, you know, two completely opposite sides of the coin!

We will probably be seeing her in hell if god is that picky anyways.
DanaC • Apr 10, 2007 12:50 am
Um, infidel is an English word, not one invented by Muslims. If not for Muslims we wouldn't have heard the word keffir, but hey, most of us haven't anyway.


Unfortunately that's a word that seems to be cropping up rather more than usual in some of our more radical mosques.
bluecuracao • Apr 10, 2007 12:55 am
piercehawkeye45;332513 wrote:
We will probably be seeing her in hell if god is that picky anyways.


"We?" :queen:
piercehawkeye45 • Apr 10, 2007 12:57 am
bluecuracao;332520 wrote:
"We?" :queen:

Well, since I don't see anyone here devoting their whole life to God, then yes, "we". Hehe.
bluecuracao • Apr 10, 2007 12:59 am
Well, maybe God doesn't want that.
DanaC • Apr 10, 2007 1:00 am
:rar: :evil2: :flipbird: :reaper: :ghost: :bawling: :scream: :thepain2:
piercehawkeye45 • Apr 10, 2007 1:01 am
bluecuracao;332523 wrote:
Well, maybe God doesn't want that.

Pssh, believe me, I read The Bible once. I know what God wants and everyone else is wrong.
DanaC • Apr 10, 2007 1:02 am
yeah, that whole bible thing's a practical joke dude. Jeesh, if he'd thought we were all gonna take it so fuckin seriously...
bluecuracao • Apr 10, 2007 1:04 am
I suspect pierce gets that...
piercehawkeye45 • Apr 10, 2007 1:06 am
DanaC;332528 wrote:
yeah, that whole bible thing's a practical joke dude. Jeesh, if he'd thought we were all gonna take it so fuckin seriously...

Damn you God. *shakes fist violently at sky*
DanaC • Apr 10, 2007 1:08 am
he can't hear you. He ate a couple of dodgy cookies and fell asleep in front of the box.
bluecuracao • Apr 10, 2007 1:09 am
"He?"

LOL
piercehawkeye45 • Apr 10, 2007 1:09 am
Well that explains some current events...
DanaC • Apr 10, 2007 1:10 am
If God was a woman, men would be giving birth.
bluecuracao • Apr 10, 2007 1:12 am
Seahorse men do...it's a start.
DanaC • Apr 10, 2007 1:14 am
It's a paltry start.
elSicomoro • Apr 10, 2007 1:17 am
Blah blah blah...go make me some cookies. :)
DanaC • Apr 10, 2007 1:18 am
If Jesus is the son of God, and God's a woman.....does that mean God is a Jewish mother?
DanaC • Apr 10, 2007 1:18 am
Magic cookies?
bluecuracao • Apr 10, 2007 1:22 am
DanaC;332551 wrote:
If Jesus is the son of God, and God's a woman.....does that mean God is a Jewish mother?


I always thought it would be funny if God was a shoe-throwin' momma...
elSicomoro • Apr 10, 2007 1:24 am
Like Mabel King's character from "What's Happening!!"?
bluecuracao • Apr 10, 2007 1:36 am
Did she ever throw her shoe? She was an awesome momma...
elSicomoro • Apr 10, 2007 1:38 am
I don't remember...she was a bad-ass though.