Gardasil

TheMercenary • Apr 3, 2007 9:16 pm

For parents with female kids this is something you should consider getting for your girls.

http://www.gardasil.com/

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/recs/provisional_recs/hpv.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/

Aliantha • Apr 3, 2007 10:30 pm

In Australia there is a national program for immunisation of all girls between 12 and 18 in schools. The injection is also free for any woman under 26 if she goes to her GP.

ravenranter • Apr 4, 2007 6:51 am

What I've read so far about Gardasil makes me reconsider:

http://www.909shot.com/PressReleases/pr62706gardasil.htm

http://evilslutopia.blogspot.com/2007/01/gardasil.html

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070326/houppert

http://www.vaclib.org/news/2006/gardasil.htm

Sundae • Apr 4, 2007 7:01 am

Did you know that domestic violence kills more 19-44 year old women than any other cause, including cancer, traffic accidents and war?

I'm not suggesting that as a reason not to use Gardasil, but I only learned that statistic this week and it blew me away.

Pie • Apr 4, 2007 8:46 am

SG, that's just because 19-44 y.o. woman are very unlikely to die, from any cause.

Undertoad • Apr 4, 2007 8:47 am

can't possibly be true

Sundae • Apr 4, 2007 9:57 am

The fact that so many women in the prime of their life are killed by their partners is shocking in its own right.

From the UK Home Office website (although it is a global figure as stated):

Facts & figures
Although domestic violence is chronically under reported, research estimates that it:

- accounts for 16% of all violent crime (Source: Crime in England and Wales 04/05 report)
- has more repeat victims than any other crime (on average there will have been 35 assaults before a victim calls the police)
- costs in excess of £23bn a year
- claims the lives of two women each week and 30 men per year
- is the largest cause of morbidity worldwide in women aged 19-44, greater than war, cancer or motor vehicle accidents
- will affect 1 in 4 women and 1 in 6 men in their lifetime

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 2:13 pm

Sundae Girl;330403 wrote:
Did you know that domestic violence kills more 19-44 year old women than any other cause, including cancer, traffic accidents and war?

I'm not suggesting that as a reason not to use Gardasil, but I only learned that statistic this week and it blew me away.

Yea, I sort of knew that. If there was a vaccine against domestic violence I bet people would take it.

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 2:23 pm

ravenranter;330402 wrote:
What I've read so far about Gardasil makes me reconsider:

http://www.909shot.com/PressReleases/pr62706gardasil.htm

http://evilslutopia.blogspot.com/2007/01/gardasil.html

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070326/houppert

http://www.vaclib.org/news/2006/gardasil.htm

Well, I guess it is a personal decision. I think that I will fall on the side of protecting my kids from genital warts and the few virus's that cause the majority of cervical cancers and give her the best shot. For those that choose not to get it, good luck. There has always been a fight by a few groups who are anti-vaccine. Vaclib.org is a perfect example. Many parents have chosen not to have their kids get any vaccines, which is fine as long as you home school and possibly plan to protect them from exposure to large groups of people so they don't catch anything. Even for college you are required to have had a series of vaccines. I think and the GYN physicians I have spoken to all reccomend that people get it if they can. After you see a few 20 year olds with grade 3 carcinoma of the cervix you may change your mind. Good luck.

glatt • Apr 4, 2007 3:49 pm

Good. I encourage lots of parents to give the vaccine to their kids. The more guinea pigs the better. That way, when my daughter is old enough to get the vaccine, we'll have a better idea how safe and effective it is.

ravenranter • Apr 4, 2007 5:31 pm

For the sake of clarifying, since I am new to the Cellar and people don't know me yet, I am not anti-vaccine. I don't advocate people refusing all vaccines. I was saying that I am not satisfied, to date, with the research done on it and that I'm in no immediate rush to use or advocate anyone else rushing out to do so. I'm not the type to just do something because the FDA says it may be a good idea. According to them it was safe to use Vioxx too...not to mention that the vaccination is only covering 4 out of some 100 types of HPV. I also wonder if those viruses are able to mutate like other viruses. If that might be the case, a vaccine would not be a solution and might cause it to mutate faster.

jinx • Apr 4, 2007 8:14 pm

TheMercenary;330494 wrote:
Many parents have chosen not to have their kids get any vaccines, which is fine as long as you home school and possibly plan to protect them from exposure to large groups of people so they don't catch anything. Even for college you are required to have had a series of vaccines.

This is bullshit - do some research.

ravenranter wrote:
not to mention that the vaccination is only covering 4 out of some 100 types of HPV. I also wonder if those viruses are able to mutate like other viruses.

And most of the time, even these 4 strains are taken care of by a healthy immune system. It would make more sense to figure out what is wrong with the immune systems that can't deal with them, than to vaccinate everyone ie. look for a cure instead of managing symptoms. Vaccines are not harmless.

I suspect Igf-1, found in cow's milk, has alot to do with it.... but I really don't know shit.

And as far as mutation, that doesn't even need to happen. When you wipe out one strain of bacteria or virus, you just create an opportunity for another that it's been suppressing.

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 8:31 pm

jinx;330656 wrote:
This is bullshit - do some research.
And most of the time, even these 4 strains are taken care of by a healthy immune system. It would make more sense to figure out what is wrong with the immune systems that can't deal with them, than to vaccinate everyone ie. look for a cure instead of managing symptoms. Vaccines are not harmless.

No, that is bull shit. Most women who have been sexually active will eventually have HPV. How about you explain to me how you come to the conclusion that the immune system takes care of HPV? Often the virus is dormant for years before cells begin to change conformation. You do the research, and I ain't talking about some on-line research where you get all excited because you find anti-vaccine sites that support you ideas. Go to school. Those 4 strains cause over 60% of the cervical cancers. I see that as a potential reduction of 60% of you getting the disease. Hey if you fall into the 40% category, that is 100% for you. Statistically speaking vaccines are in fact fairly harmless or we wouldn't get them, but hey if you want to get polio or pertussis give me a shout I can tell you where to go to get it.

lumberjim • Apr 4, 2007 8:40 pm

TheMercenary;330665 wrote:
Most women who have been sexually active will eventually have HPV. How about you explain to me how you come to the conclusion that the immune system takes care of HPV?

Because most women don't get cancer or genital warts. In most women, the HPV just goes away.

The bullshit I was calling you on was quoted. Are you going to defend that?

edit:
Fuck, I'm not fixing this, sorry.
- Jinx

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 8:59 pm

lumberjim;330667 wrote:
Because most women don't get cancer or genital warts. In most women, the HPV just goes away.

The bullshit I was calling you on was quoted. Are you going to defend that?

edit:
Fuck, I'm not fixing this, sorry.
- Jinx

So jinx and lumberjim are the same people, what the fuck is that about.??????

be more specific,

1. Many parents have chosen not to have their kids get any vaccines.
2. Even for college you are required to have had a series of vaccines.

What do you think is bullshit? all of it?

1. Despite this, there is evidence in Western Europe, the US, Japan, Australia, and other countries of a growing anti-vaccine movement. This movement has resulted in major disruptions and even cessation of vaccine programs, with resultant increased morbidity and mortality. Of interest is an examination of the factors that seem to contribute to the current trend of anti-vaccine sentiment. In this paper we will examine the current anti-vaccine movement and provide case studies involving pertussis and hepatitis B vaccines. We will then discuss the implications for public health vaccine policy. Finally, we will propose a framework for understanding how individuals make decisions about receipt of vaccines.
http://members.tripod.com/vaccinesupport-ivil/antivaxsites/understand.html

Here are some more facts:
Got to love Quack Files, the guy does a good job.
http://www.geocities.com/healthbase/vaxquotes.html

There is a ton of stuff to read out there.

2. page 26 and 27 requirements for college vaccines:
http://www.immunize.org/laws/izlaws01-02.pdf
Given many large universities, at least the one my kid goes to, requires all freshmen to live on campus the first year. Hence they are subject to the vaccine requirements.

jinx • Apr 4, 2007 9:16 pm

TheMercenary;330494 wrote:
which is fine as long as you home school and possibly plan to protect them from exposure to large groups of people so they don't catch anything.

You don't need to homeschool, there are exemptions from vaccine requirements in every state.
You don't need to avoid crowds either... that's just silly.

lumberjim • Apr 4, 2007 9:19 pm

TheMercenary;330676 wrote:
So jinx and lumberjim are the same people, what the fuck is that about.??????

well, duh. didn't you know? there are only 8 of us (actual humans)on here, really. Jinx and I are also Brianna, Undertoab, glatt, BigV, sycamore, footfootfoot, BigMcLargeHuge, TheCia, Spencer, tw., and beestie. Man, i think i left one off.......oh yeah,... Flint.

yeah.....no. actually, we're married......she was on my computer, and forgot to switch logins. you'll have this.(like the spexx holywood sign was actually me)

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 9:23 pm

jinx;330688 wrote:
You don't need to homeschool, there are exemptions from vaccine requirements in every state.
You don't need to avoid crowds either... that's just silly.

Ok, so I missed that on both accounts. I thought you were talking about the main points. Yea, that was just me being dramatic. The point I would make is that you are rolling the dice, and depending on where you live you may be taking a bigger chance than you think. Take pertussis for example. Look at this map:

http://www.pertussis.com/locate.html

Some states are at a much greater risk.

And now the disease is making a comeback. This may be due to better reporting and originally a big underreporting.

Bottom line is vaccines are important and have absolutely revolutionized public health in all parts of the world. Get them.

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 9:25 pm

lumberjim;330690 wrote:

yeah.....no. actually, we're married......she was on my computer, and forgot to switch logins. you'll have this.(like the spexx holywood sign was actually me)

Got it, I think.
You will have to excuse me, I am new here. But I am learning the personalities.

lumberjim • Apr 4, 2007 9:26 pm

TheMercenary;330693 wrote:
Get them.

no, you get them. and then get an enema and a lobotomy.

this is LJ. make no mistake

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 9:30 pm

lumberjim;330696 wrote:
no, you get them. and then get an enema and a lobotomy.

this is LJ. make no mistake

Ok, how about you and your kids just get some serious fucking disease. Would that make you happy, just to prove me right? Good luck. What a cocksucker.
(cough, cough)

New Member • Apr 4, 2007 9:32 pm

yeah, okay..and then we'll get medical attention, get better, and actually be immune to it.

you little bitch

lumberjim • Apr 4, 2007 9:33 pm

i'll outnumber your ass.

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 9:35 pm

New Member;330702 wrote:
yeah, okay..and then we'll get medical attention, get better, and actually be immune to it.

you little bitch

You'll be dead. So will your spawn cocksucker.

lumberjim • Apr 4, 2007 9:45 pm

yeah, dead like all those people that all died off before there were vaccines to save them. oh, wait....

the point, assmunch, is that vaccination is unnatural. you probably get a fucking antibiotic every time you get a runny nose too.

you are the problem. your attitude about it makes it insufferable. don't TELL me to get vaccines. you don't know shit about them. because no one does. you don't know shit about me or my kids either. It's my fucking decision, not the state's and not, for damn sure, yours.

fucking chicken pox vaccine retards.

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 9:48 pm

lumberjim;330714 wrote:
yeah, dead like all those people that all died off before there were vaccines to save them. oh, wait....

the point, assmunch, is that vaccination is unnatural. you probably get a fucking antibiotic every time you get a runny nose too.

you are the problem. your attitude about it makes it insufferable. don't TELL me to get vaccines. you don't know shit about them. because no one does. you don't know shit about me or my kids either. It's my fucking decision, not the state's and not, for damn sure, yours.

fucking chicken pox vaccine retards.

You were right, we were talking about Gardasil, I should have made my comments to your wife. And you don't know shit about me cocksucker. Cancer would really suck.

lumberjim • Apr 4, 2007 9:49 pm

i know you like the word cocksucker. cocksucker

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 9:50 pm

lumberjim;330714 wrote:

fucking chicken pox vaccine retards.

That was good. Is one of these your spawn:

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 9:52 pm

lumberjim;330718 wrote:
i know you like the word cocksucker. cocksucker

You are a big pussy, I was having a serious discussion. Better get a pap smear.

lumberjim • Apr 4, 2007 9:54 pm

all 3 actually. you're just fucking brilliant, aren't you?

lumberjim • Apr 4, 2007 9:55 pm

TheMercenary;330722 wrote:
You are a big pussy, I was having a serious discussion. Better get a pap smear.

i'm in ur thread, ruinin yer discussion

now blow me

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 9:57 pm

lumberjim;330725 wrote:
all 3 actually. you're just fucking brilliant, aren't you?

Brilliant enough to know when I am talking to a blathering idiot who takes a serious discussion about womens health and turns it into a name calling fest. Why yes, yes I am.

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 9:58 pm

lumberjim;330727 wrote:
i'm in ur thread, ruinin yer discussion

now blow me

Your specialty, not interested.

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 10:05 pm

http://www.mindfully.org/Health/2005/Cervical-Cancer-Minorities26jul05.htm

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 10:07 pm

Women living in rural areas and suburban areas have higher rates of death related to cervical cancer — a highly preventable form of the disease — than do women in other parts of the country.

Cervical cancer mortality rates by county, 1970-98

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 10:10 pm

A Call to Action: The "State" of Cervical Cancer Prevention in America was developed at the request of our Cervical Cancer Elimination Task Force and provides a baseline assessment of states' current progress on this issue, while identifying opportunities for improvement. It evaluates published national data and state legislative activity, and has been reviewed by the leading consulting firm, Boston Healthcare Associates.

The report's key conclusion is: While the states vary significantly in their current efforts to prevent cervical cancer, none of the states are where they could be, given that cervical cancer is highly preventable - particularly with the availability of advanced and appropriate screening technologies such as HPV testing - no American woman should die of cervical cancer.

The Nation as a whole received a grade of "Good" for efforts to prevent cervical cancer.

http://www.womeningovernment.org/prevention/statereport/2005.asp

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 10:11 pm

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 10:16 pm

Human papillomavirus (HPV) infection leads to a spectrum of disease from genital warts to precancerous lesions to cervical and anal cancer and is a worldwide public health problem of epidemic proportions. Unique to HPV-related neoplasia, the presence of specific viral antigens such as the L1 capsid structural protein and the oncoproteins E6 and E7 provide opportunities for vaccine therapy.

**Human Papillomavirus Type 16 E7 Oncoprotein-induced Abnormal Centrosome Synthesis Is an Early Event in the Evolving Malignant Phenotype (CancerResearch)

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/full/61/6/2356

Most prophylactic vaccines are virus-like particles (VLP) composed of the L1 structural protein. Phase I trials have demonstrated safety and immunogenicity, but limited efficacy data are available. Therapeutic vaccine trials are reviewed including E6 and E7 vaccines comprised of peptides, fusion proteins, encapsulated plasmid DNA, and recombinant vaccinia virus

Since the vaccine does not contain any viral DNA, you cannot get infected with HPV by receiving this vaccine

Vaccine contains virus-like particles for HPV types 16 and 18, plus a substance called AS04, a novel proprietary adjuvant being developed by GSK Biologicals in collaboration with Corixa, that increases the immune system's response to a vaccine. GlaxoSmithKline announced in November 2004 that its vaccine, which contains two strains of HPV thought to cause 70 per cent of cervical cancers, had prevented 90 per cent of new infections and all persistent infections.

The US-based firm Merck announced similar results last week with its vaccine, which contains the same two cancer-causing HPV strains plus two strains that cause genital warts.

In 2004, the results from a phase II, randomised, double-blind clinical trial indicated that the vaccine may have clinical benefit to prevent HPV types 16 and 18.

lumberjim • Apr 4, 2007 10:30 pm

TheMercenary;330700 wrote:
Ok, how about you and your kids just get some serious fucking disease. Would that make you happy, just to prove me right? Good luck. [COLOR=Red]What a cocksucker[/COLOR].
(cough, cough)

TheMercenary;330706 wrote:
You'll be dead. So will your spawn [COLOR=Red]cocksucker[/COLOR].

TheMercenary;330717 wrote:
You were right, we were talking about Gardasil, I should have made my comments to your wife. And you don't know shit about me [COLOR=Red]cocksucker[/COLOR]. Cancer would really suck.

TheMercenary;330722 wrote:
[COLOR=Red]You are a big pussy[/COLOR], I was having a serious discussion. Better get a pap smear.

TheMercenary;330728 wrote:
Brilliant enough to know when I am talking to[COLOR=Red] a blathering idiot who takes a serious discussion about womens health and turns it into a name calling fest.[/COLOR] Why yes, yes I am.

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 10:40 pm

Hey look guys! Jimmy is a quote king. Cool.

A short path to the link above is this:
http://cellar.org/showthread.php?p=330759#post330759
Click this link every time you see it.

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 10:47 pm

quote, quote, quote, shmote....:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by lumberjim
yeah.....no. actually, we're married......she was on my computer, and forgot to switch logins. you'll have this.(like the spexx holywood sign was actually me)
Got it, I think.
You will have to excuse me, I am new here. But I am learning the personalities.

Originally Posted by lumberjim
no, you get them. and then get an enema and a lobotomy.

this is LJ. make no mistake

Originally Posted by lumberjim

the point, assmunch, is that vaccination is unnatural. you probably get a fucking antibiotic every time you get a runny nose too.

you are the problem. your attitude about it makes it insufferable. don't TELL me to get vaccines. you don't know shit about them. because no one does. you don't know shit about me or my kids either. It's my fucking decision, not the state's and not, for damn sure, yours.

fucking chicken pox vaccine retards.

Originally Posted by lumberjim

i know you like the word cocksucker. cocksucker

:eek:

Or if you want to do it all over again just go here:
http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=13773

and when you see this post just click on the link above.:p

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 10:50 pm

Is this before or after your pap smear? :lol:

lumberjim • Apr 4, 2007 11:07 pm

just pointing out that you started the name calling first, cock. and then tried to say that i was turning your thread into a name calling fest. you dirty bitch. now, prove that you're an asshole some more.

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 11:15 pm

lumberjim;330779 wrote:
just pointing out that you started the name calling first, cock. and then tried to say that i was turning your thread into a name calling fest. you dirty bitch. now, prove that you're an asshole some more.

Nice picture there. Is the "i" for idiot or "immature"? You didn't prove shit, other than you started off with, "get an enema and a lobotomy" which in fact garnered my response. Get a life. I am trying to have a discussion with people who are interested in the subject.

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 11:18 pm

lumberjim;330779 wrote:
cock. you dirty bitch. now, prove that you're an asshole some more.

Here, I can prove it and be proud of it as long as it pisses you off:

http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=13708

Go little "i" man! Good thing we don't have avatars or I would make your picture mine. In fact I think I will just pass it around the web.

monster • Apr 4, 2007 11:46 pm

So do you have shares in Gardasil, Merc? Maybe HPV does cause cancer. Is it more cancerous than other things in our environment? Does it cause more cancer than the "shit happens" factor? Is the vaccine safe? What are the long term outcomes? The MMR vaccine was linked with autism. This took 30 years to come to light. Is it respoinsible behaviour to trust a vaccine that's only been around a couple of years? And yes, my kids had the MMR, but I did the research and weighed up the risks. Your OP proposes just wading on in there like there's noithing to lose. How do you know that?

lumberjim • Apr 4, 2007 11:53 pm

TheMercenary;330784 wrote:
Here, I can prove it and be proud of it as long as it pisses you off:

http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=13708

Go little "i" man! Good thing we don't have avatars or I would make your picture mine. In fact I think I will just pass it around the web.

to all of your friends, right? ok. have fun with that. i have some videos on youtube if you want to send those around too.

that's a Halloween costume, you fag. at least i wasn't wearing short shorts, Mary.

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 11:57 pm

monster;330801 wrote:
1.So do you have shares in Gardasil, Merc? 2.Maybe HPV does cause cancer. Is it more cancerous than other things in our environment? 3.Does it cause more cancer than the "shit happens" factor? 4. Is the vaccine safe? 5.What are the long term outcomes? 6.The MMR vaccine was linked with autism. This took 30 years to come to light. 7.Is it respoinsible behaviour to trust a vaccine that's only been around a couple of years? And yes, my kids had the MMR, but I did the research and weighed up the risks. Your OP proposes just wading on in there like there's noithing to lose. 8. How do you know that?

1. No.
2. No one knows.
3. Yes, as far as HPV is concerned it has been studied for years, it is the cause of most cervical cancer.
4. Yes, as far as the clinical trials have shown. I do believe it has been used overseas, like most of our drugs, much longer than in the US.
5. Longer than up to now? Who knows, but how is that different from any other drug? Are you going to not take the newest medications because they haven't been fully tested? How about if you or a family memeber gets a life threatening illness? are you going to say wait, it has not been around for 25 years, don't give me that. When will you trust the science.
6. That connection remains HIGHLY controversial at best.
7. See number 5.
8. No, what I said is look at what you would want for you or your kids future, make the best choice for you, I and people I work with say get it. I got it for my girls.

Ever see anyone with bad warts or cervical cancer, it ain't pretty. JMHO, oh, and some really good science.

TheMercenary • Apr 4, 2007 11:58 pm

lumberjim;330805 wrote:
to all of your friends, right? ok. have fun with that. i have some videos on youtube if you want to send those around too.

that's a Halloween costume, you fag. at least i wasn't wearing short shorts, Mary.

You look gay. And no I don't want your gay videos.

Now be quiet while the adults have a converstation.

lumberjim • Apr 5, 2007 12:00 am

did it set off your gaydar? you latent pickle chugger? you homophobic bonesmoker. your cock is assprone.

TheMercenary • Apr 5, 2007 12:04 am

lumberjim;330812 wrote:
did it set off your gaydar? you latent pickle chugger? you homophobic bonesmoker. your cock is assprone.

Like I said, the adults are having a discussion, now put your costume on and go play with yourself and your dolly.

lumberjim • Apr 5, 2007 12:08 am

the adults think you're an asshole.

TheMercenary • Apr 5, 2007 12:12 am

lumberjim;330822 wrote:
the adults think you're an asshole.

:thumb2:
http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=13708

:guinness:

lumberjim • Apr 5, 2007 12:13 am

www.clickhereifyou'regay.com

Beestie • Apr 5, 2007 12:18 am

[FONT=Courier New][SIZE=7][COLOR=Black]O[/COLOR] b E Y !
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[/FONT][/SIZE][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Courier New][SIZE=7][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial][FONT=Verdana]Seriously, though. Y'all need to stop giving Merck, oops, I mean, Merc a hard time. He's from the government and he wants to help you god-damnit and if you'll stop squirming for a minute it won't hurt nearly as much.

And if that don't do it for ya, Merck - damnit there I go again, Merc makes so much money that he pays AMT. I bet you don't pay AMT do you? Then there you have it. Now bend over.
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TheMercenary • Apr 5, 2007 12:26 am

Beestie;330828 wrote:
[FONT=Courier New][SIZE=7][COLOR=Black]O[/COLOR] b E Y !
[SIZE=2][FONT=Arial]
[/FONT][/SIZE][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Courier New][SIZE=7][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial][FONT=Verdana]Seriously, though. Y'all need to stop giving Merck, oops, I mean, Merc a hard time. He's from the government and he wants to help you god-damnit and if you'll stop squirming for a minute it won't hurt nearly as much.

And if that don't do it for ya, Merck - damnit there I go again, Merc makes so much money that he pays AMT. I bet you don't pay AMT do you? Then there you have it. Now bend over.
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I wish I had some Merck. But the AMT does suck. That is all. Continue please. :rasta:

monster • Apr 5, 2007 12:32 am

TheMercenary;330807 wrote:

2. No one knows.

>>>hm

3. Yes, as far as HPV is concerned it has been studied for years, it is the cause of most cervical cancer.

>>>please cite references? My family has a history of CC, but negative for HPV. Very interested in this.

4. Yes, as far as the clinical trials have shown. I do believe it has been used overseas, like most of our drugs, much longer than in the US.

>>>Really? Refs please.

5. Longer than up to now? Who knows, but how is that different from any other drug? Are you going to not take the newest medications because they haven't been fully tested? How about if you or a family memeber gets a life threatening illness? are you going to say wait, it has not been around for 25 years, don't give me that. When will you trust the science.

>>>For real? Hell no, I wouldn't take anything without serious evidence that it was going to be beneficial without side effects. When will I trust science? When i see real evidence. I have a Phd in "Science". I've seen what paracetamol/acetomenophen does to brain cells. (It implodes them alamringly quickly). That stuff's available off the shelves and has been around for decades. And you think we should trust this?

6. That connection remains HIGHLY controversial at best.

>>>Oh, I agree, and as I mentioned our kids had the MMR. But the point is it tooke years for a tentative connection to be made.

7. See number 5.

>>>back atcha

8. No, what I said is look at what you would want for you or your kids future, make the best choice for you, I and people I work with say get it. I got it for my girls.

Ever see anyone with bad warts or cervical cancer, it ain't pretty. JMHO, oh, and some really good science.

>>>What Really Good Science? Who are "you and the people you work with"? If you have other information about this, why didn't you share it at the time of the OP?

TheMercenary • Apr 5, 2007 12:45 am

Overseas research:
The HPV Research Group was formed in 1996, when three investigators, Drs. Nancy Kiviat, Laura Koutsky, and Cathy Critchlow, who had collaborated together on numerous projects at the University of Washington for a number of years, sought office space together. Dr. Kiviat, Chief of Pathology at Harborview Medical Center and head of a clinical and research laboratory, and Drs. Koutsky and Critchlow, Epidemiologists in the University of Washington School of Public Health, had long been studying human papillomavirus (HPV), anogenital neoplasia, and cancer in numerous study populations, including University students, men who have sex with men in Seattle, as well as women in Senegal, West Africa. Recently, the HPV Research Group has been involved in studies regarding the natural history of incident HPV infection in young women, the effect of HIV infection on development anal neoplasia in men and cervical neoplasia and cancer in women, development of biomarkers for early detection of cervical cancer in women, the association of HPV with skin cancer, and the first evaluations of HPV vaccines. During the last few years, the HPV Research Group has participated in multi-center trials and has collaborated in multidisciplinary research efforts with investigators at institutions as varied as the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, the University of Dakar in Senegal, West Africa, the University of Texas, Deutsches Krebsforschungszentrum in Heidelberg, Germany, the Oxford University in the United Kingdom, Corixa Corporation, Merck Pharmaceuticals, and Roche Molecular Diagnostics, as well as numerous departments within the University of Washington.
http://www.pathology.washington.edu/clinical/HPV/research/

More overseas research:
http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/medicine/obstetrics_gynaecology/research/clinical/researchprojects/copy_of_index.html/document_view

Cancer HPV connection:
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/hpv-vaccines

http://www.scripps.org/News.asp?ID=157

Georgetown’s Chair of the Pathology Department at the Lombardi Comprehensive Cancer Center developed the vaccine with a team of colleagues. It took more than 20 years to achieve this major medical breakthrough. http://www.georgetownuniversityhospital.org/body.cfm?id=555891

HPV viruses are associated with almost ALL cases of cervical cancer
http://hpvstudy.bol.ucla.edu/index.htm

There is just so much stuff out there, all from major medical research facilities around the world. Just look. This is but a small sample.

Aliantha • Apr 5, 2007 2:29 am

Gee, I thought this was going to be a serious discussion.

Personally I have had my kids vaccinated for pretty much the standard stuff such as polio, tetanus etc. I live in a country which has had the foresight to encourage people to do so in the past and now childhood measles and things like polio and tetanus are virtually unheard of.

Yes there are risks, but if I lived in a society that didn't encourage vaccination, my children would have had a much higher risk of blindness from measles or becoming cripples thanks to polio.

I very rarely take my kids to the doctor unless they're really sick. I value their own immune systems working for them and in our household we prefer to try and relieve the symptoms of common illness rather than take drugs which in most cases are unnecessary.

These are my arguments for vaccination and I would probably recommend my daughter have this injection. That being said, it wouldn't be necessary till she became sexually active, so there's every chance that I'd leave the decision up to her to make. After all, if a person is old enough to be responsible for thier sexuality, they're old enough to be responsible for their sexual health.

TheMercenary • Apr 5, 2007 9:56 am

The vaccine is most effective before they become sexually active.

Australian Government Funding Of Gardasil®
Fact sheet about the Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) vaccines.

An ongoing target group of 12 and 13 year old girls in a school-based program, generally delivered in the first year of high school
A catch-up group of 13-18 year old girls in a largely school-based program
A further catch-up group of women up to and including 26 years of age in a community-based program generally delivered through general practice.

http://www.health.gov.au/internet/wcms/publishing.nsf/Content/gardasil_hpv.htm

Aliantha • Apr 5, 2007 10:07 pm

I'm aware of how the program works over here. thanks anyway.

ravenranter • Apr 6, 2007 6:43 am

What I want to know is: Who funds the research of the HPV Research Group?

The government?
Big Pharma?
Who?

Research is often funded by group with vested interests. I'm not saying that this is the case, but I'm curious.

Aliantha • Apr 6, 2007 8:03 pm

This page shows details of one of the funding bodies in Australia. I'm not sure if it's the only one, but I would doubt it. Most projects of this size have funding from various stakeholders which would include both government, pharamceutical companies and very possibly other private funding bodies.

TheMercenary • Apr 6, 2007 11:18 pm

Aliantha;331039 wrote:
I'm aware of how the program works over here. thanks anyway.

Cool. So you are so informed, why would you wait until your kids were sexually active before they got the vaccine?

Aliantha • Apr 6, 2007 11:29 pm

OK, perhaps I should have been more clear and said when she reaches an age where she's thinking about becomming sexually active. Again, this is generally an age when people are able to make an informed decision (or should be). I don't have a daughter though. Only sons.

jinx • Aug 14, 2008 11:58 pm

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Shawnee123 • Aug 15, 2008 8:49 am

Damn those researchers. I want to see more money going into research for treatment for guys who can't get it up, not wasted on female cancers. Next thing you know, they'll have a viable way to test and treat ovarian cancer.

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