Unpopular opinions you hold
As it says in the title, what opinions do you have that most people seem to disagree with? I'd prefer not to get into actual arguments about them on this thread though, as that could lead to a lot of different arguments going on at once. (Assuming that this thread takes off.) If you want to debate a point made in depth, I think it would be better to start a new thread on it. Anyway:
- Discrimination on grounds of race is the same as discrimination on grounds of anything else that a person can't change, be it gender, sexuality, age, height, attractiveness etc. No worse, no better.
- The invasion of Iraq wasn't morally wrong, whether or not there were WMDs or not. Saddam was a tyrant who killed his own people and in the long run it will be better for the people that he is gone.
- North American sports that aren't hockey are dull.
I'll add some more upon reflection.
life is a popularity contest
The Irish make good slaves. Most people tune me out as soon as I say that.
Single-malt Scotch is overrated.
Howard Stern is a remarkable talent.
Linux is "ready for the desktop" and has been for quite some time.
Many types of recycling are rather ineffective and may actually harm the environment worse than landfills.
If they shut down all of the public schools tomorrow, any system that would spontaneously arise to replace them would be 100% better... 1000% better in the inner cities.
Metal is good.
Rex Grossman is inconsistant not bad.
Calc 3 and 4 are still fun (sometimes).
Beer is overrated.
I am better than you.
Affirmative action is still a necessary program in this country.
Suburban living is severely overrated.
Segregation isn't necessarily such a bad idea.
The "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" story of life is mainly bullshit.
Crime doesn't pay is bullshit.
Everyone should love one another is bullshit.
He who hesitates is lost is bullshit.
Bullshit is bullshit.
As it says in the title, what opinions do you have that most people seem to disagree with?
Do historical references count? Because in 2002 I had the "mother of disagreeable opinions".
George Jr is lying.Affirmative action is racism and bigotry. It harms those it proposes to help by eliminating respect. A position given, not deserved harms all.
Pure separation of church and state should be fully implemented tomorrow, that it will hurt people's "feeling" does not matter and should not be taken into account.
Real history should be taught tomorrow, that is contradicts what kid's parent's were taught does not matter and should not be taken into account.
Marijuana should be legalized and the Government and AMA are conspiring to keep it illegal because the CIA and FBI are profiting off of importing and distributing it. (I have met people who know)
Those in the AMA and medical field that continue this ruse want people to suffer, yes want us to. If not they would publicly state the facts, they do not so they want those who need the relief to suffer. A fact.
Religion is delusion and simple mythology, no different than believing in Zeus, the Sun God Quetzalcoatl or any other "god". Why pick a popular one, why not a fun one like Kali where you get to sacrifice your neighbor?
Children should be taught at their talent level, not held back due to average age group limitations.
People who excel should get more.
"We are causing global warming and you too can make a difference" is a guilt based scam. We love to feel guilty.
Enforcing immigration law is not xenophobia or racism, it is just law enforcement & LONG overdue, nothing else.
Iraq was/is/will be about stealing oil.
The net is no different than real life, communicate the same.
Children should not be patronized... people say they disagree with this until they try to put it into practice.
If a politician is dishonest they should be charged with liable, slander or the proper law for the situation, every time. Yes, it would be practical, no we don't need that many secrets.
We have pure free-will/accountability.
i should have a 'ban key'
Affirmative action is still a necessary program in this country.
Segregation isn't necessarily such a bad idea.
Am I just stupid, or are these very nearly mutually exclusive concepts?
Voluntary segregation, not forced.
the killing of 6000000 jews in WW2 may have been a bad thing but its not the worst thing that has been done to humans and people should understand it was a bad thing but get over it and make jokes about it like southpark does.
discrimination due to an irrelevant trait is wrong. but stereotyping is a logical way to make conclusions about someone until they prove you wrong
Australia is and always will be, the best place in the world to live. so anyone that has the choice of where to live and complains about australia should get the f.uck out and see how welcoming this country is when they come crawling back. (im looking at you moofty)
- The new version of Battlestar Gallactica is annoying.
- Skinheads are responsible for many of the unsolved shootings in Philly. :tinfoil:
The new version of Battlestar Gallactica is annoying.
is this because you dont like it or like me you just want it to end because you got stuck watching and just wanna see the end?
I don't like it--it's too soap opera-ish. And I do want it to end, because my fiance and many of our friends are hooked on it...and that's all they talk about. Cylon this, Starbuck that, I don't give a frick, blah, blah, blah.
Poetry sucks ass.
Cheesy, derivative pop music is completely acceptable if it's in another language.
Poetry sucks ass.
Cheesy, derivative pop music is completely acceptable if it's in another language.
TotallyDo historical references count? Because in 2002 I had the "mother of disagreeable opinions".
George Jr is lying.
In this case no, because you had the unsporting advantage of being able to see his lips moving when you made that assessment. ;)
Do historical references count? Because in 2002 I had the "mother of disagreeable opinions".
George Jr is lying.
In this case no, because A) you've already posted it in every single thread for the last five years, and B) the "stopped clock factor" means anyone can be right, given enough time to do it.
- Skinheads are responsible for many of the unsolved shootings in Philly. :tinfoil:
That's silly. There are no white people in Philadelphia with guns. The shootings remain unsolved because of John Street's personal agenda to prove that all the ills of the city are caused by whites rather than the notion that Philadelphia shootings are almost exclusively black-on-black crimes, and have their roots in the drug trade.
belief in any god is a delusion.
all drugs should be legalised.
steroid using athletes should have their own Olympics.
all the money spent on war, arms and nuclear weapons should be spent on health.
anyone who wishes to become a police officer should automatically be banned from becoming one.
Life begins at the moment of conception.
All the creation stories, even the strange ones involving cows and ice, giant's armpits, mud, and The Big Bang, are correct.
Global Climate Change is the result of stellar forces, and man has only minimal impact on climate.
Reverse racism is still racism. Affirmative action is legislated reverse racism.
Marriage is a religious contract between one man, one woman, and God (or other Godform). Anyone who attempts to define it otherwise is wrong. There should be a separate civil partnering contract.
Indentured servitude should be offered as an option to clear credit card debt. An employer could buy your debt contract and pay you a negotiated rate that includes payments on your debt. When the debt is cleared you may choose to remain with that employer at a non-indenture rate.
:eek: There is no such thing as "God" , and all the time/money poured into churches and religion is a waste.
It was warmer than present during the Medieval Climate Optimum which was generally considered a good time for humanity.
DS9 was and remains the best Star Trek series.
Right wingers are wrong.
The vast majority of asylum seekers are genuine cases of need.
Immigrants are a positive addition to the country.
Prison is the wrong way to deal with most crimes and most criminals: punishment/retribution models are counter productive for society.
Marx and Engels made a lot of sense: not necessrily marxists though....Marx himself said in his lifetime, that he was 'no marxist'.
All health provision and education should be provided by the state and paid for through taxation.
Belief in God, creation and/or prophets is no different to belief in Santa, Fairies and the Easter Bunny: this particular opinion is only unpopular in some circles, such as my old workplace, where for the first time in my adult life i found myself outnumbered by Christians......it's also not a view I tend to espouse when I am working with the Church youth project:P
I agree with a lot of the other "unpopular" beliefs here, but this is a new one ...
EVERYONE can sing.
Oh, and following on from DanaC, there is no difference between Communism and Christianity - from each according to his ability to each according to his need. This is the perfect politico-economic system except that it doesn't account for human greed.
There is no such thing as reverse racism, racism is racism is racism.
Being racist against whites is the same as being racist against blacks.
Rastafarians are the same as Klansmen.
It is a travesty that women and blacks can have their own clubs, fraternities/sororities and gyms and no one says squat but as soon as whites or men (usually both) want them they are misogynists or racists and someone tries to ruin it/take it away from/for them. Bigots hold this opinion & they are no different than those with hoods.
There is no such thing as reverse racism, racism is racism is racism.
Yes, yes, yes.
Thanks for the good response guys. A few more from me:
- Most white people who claim to be "disgusted" and "outraged" about racism against non-whites (and I'm talking about "everyday" racism as opposed to murder here) are only saying what they think they should say. I don't doubt that most white people are against racism and think it's a bad thing, but by the same token I don't think many are being kept awake at night by it. Most would only be truly disgusted and outrged if it happened to a friend of theirs. (I probably haven't made this clear enough and it probably will be misunderstood. Sorry.)
- A good film, TV show, piece of writing or piece of music is better and has more artistic merit than 99% of traditional art such as paintings, sculptures etc.
- If Louis Saha could stay fit and improve his finishing, he would be the best striker in the world. As it is, he's simply above average, in terms of top teams.
Edited to add a couple more:
- Prams should not be allowed on buses. I know it would be inconvenient for people to get their kids around, but it's very inconvenient for others on the bus. Most of the time there just isn't the room.
- The NHS should be privatised. If you introduce a service as being funded wholly by taxation (i.e. free at the point of use), and it takes only two years before you have to introduce charges at the point of use, then it's not going to work. I can't remember a time when the NHS hasn't been underfunded, and I don't think I'll ever see such a time in the future.
Convicts were sent to America from England
Edit: Oh and also that Australia is THE best place in the world to live. :)
- Prams should not be allowed on buses. I know it would be inconvenient for people to get their kids around, but it's very inconvenient for others on the bus. Most of the time there just isn't the room.
The the same should be true for groceries then.
Why can't they just hold the kid and fold the stroller?
Why can't they have more frequent buses to address the crowding issues, or buses with larger spaces for strollers, wheelchairs, and lazy teens who want to spread out all over the place and put their dirty shoes on the seats?
Maybe not the last part.
Racism exists and is practiced every day.
Guns kill people.
Everyone who believes in a superior being is weak.
repubicans are inherently evil.
Anyone who feels that they know when life begins is fooling themselves.
Conservative is code for selfish.
Politicians do not have citizens' best interest as their top priority.
Violence is the solution to less than 1 ten-thousandth of 1% of conflicts.
Money allows happiness.
Most people value appearance over substance.
The History Channel is entertaining.
The first post of this thread suggested that this isn't meant to be an discussion/argument about anyone's 'unpopular opinions'.
Maybe someone should start a thread about prams on busses?
thread drift is not only inevitable, but desirable.
one out of every 3 Australian women that i know annoy the living shit out of me.
Affirmative action is another way of saying discrimination.
Rich people are better at making money, so the state should harness their talents by taxing them more.
Uranium should be kept in the ground. Our distant descendants will need a lot of energy when they need to leave this planet for good.
Trickle-down economics doesn't work because most wealthy people do not attend garage sales.
The words "give" and "have" would make more sense if they were not spelt with a redundant "e".
There is nothing wrong with fat people if they eat properly, get sufficient exercise and are in good health.
Religions cause more problems than they solve.
Statutory rape laws should be repealed if they do not allow for the possibility of female rapists or otherwise do not treat the genders equally before the eyes of the law. The facts of the case should decide the perpetrators' guilt, not their gender.
Guns kill people.
Bullets kill people.
Bullets kill people.
triggers kill people
Circumcision is wrong and unnecessary if proper hygiene is observed.
The real reason most non-Musim non-Jewish American boys are circumcised is so they look like their fathers.
Children should not have their ears (or anything else) pierced before they are old enough to consent to it.
Babies with pierced ears look awful. Is your baby not beautiful enough?
penal farms that are self supporting are a good thing ,
.50 cal weapons should NOT be in civilian hands
there should be a size tax on SUVs
Big trucks should have there OWN roads
i am the only one that knows for sure that i exist but i can't be certain about the rest of you.
ben stiller and adam sandler should not be allowed to make movies.
marijuana should never be legalised. it works fine the way it is.
jesus probably did exist but it makes no difference to us now.
sex before mariage should be manditory.
Bullets kill people.
triggers kill people
Neither Roy Rogers' dog Bullet nor his horse Trigger ever killed anyone! :eyebrow:
+ I agree with 90% of the posts in this thread.
+ There are too many people on this planet. The worst thing that the average person can do to the environment is have another child.
+ The reason men fall asleep after sex is that it gives the woman a chance to escape (evolution at work).
+ Sex education should begin early. Just because the parents were ignorant doesn't mean that the child has to be.
+ A politician who follows the "party line" is not representing his constituents, nor his conscience*.
* I know that this is a bit of a wild assumption.
guns kill people. no guns = no people to shoot them.
Girls should receive a 3 year contraceptive implant at the age of 13 which (helps to) prevent them becoming pregnant at least until they have completed basic education
Increasing the amount of school leavers in higher education does not lead to a better educated populace – it merely leads to increased personal debt and devalues the experience of true scholars
People are inherently selfish
The degree to which the majority of men enjoy a woman’s company is directly related to her appearance
People are completely molded by society.
Do historical references count? Because in 2002 I had the "mother of disagreeable opinions".
George Jr is lying.
No, because it doesn't fit the parameters of the opening post's conditions as an Unpopular Opinion.
Partial credit to footfootfoot and Undertoad for being having the "right answer", despite failing the "show your work" section. :p
Girls should receive a 3 year contraceptive implant at the age of 13 which (helps to) prevent them becoming pregnant at least until they have completed basic education
And the boys should have reversible vasectomies too, if they're smart.
It should be illegal to administer antibiotics to livestock, even if they are sick. Overuse of antibiotics is leading to resistant strains of germs. Each and every use of antibiotics around the world leads to this problem, so antibiotics should be reserved for humans only to slow the spread of resistant germs.
Since they aren't expanding it in other ways, I think they should remove all the seats in Metro, our local subway system. You would be able to fit more people in each car that way.
I think they should refrain from broadcasting sports on TV. I don't want to be seeing that crap. Get rid of daytime talk shows and reality shows too. Put adult ed classes on TV in their place. Maybe something on electronics. I've always wanted to pick that up.
The real reason most non-Musim non-Jewish American boys are circumcised is so they look like their fathers.
Funny, my dad didn't
look Jewish...
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It's okay to express your pride to be white. I am proud to be white and not a member of the KKK or any other "fringe group."
The NAACP sometimes acts in the same manner as the KKK or other hate groups - hello, DISCRIMINATION is NEVER OKAY - even discrimination against white people... not cool.
Diversity is just a fancy way of saying it's okay to cut out the white kids.
The only cause that vegans succeed in promoting is the ability to be a pain in the ass.
There should be no more "Insert racial group/sex here" History Months. Those are just sad attempts to be inclusive that result in people being excluded. Why don't we have - Invention Month, Book Month, Food Month - etc. Make everyone feel included.
I think gender discrimination is a crock of crap.
If people want to hold themselves out as married, they should be held to the same standards as married people - file your taxes jointly, follow the same divorce procedures, etc. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Welfare should be abolished. No more handouts or handups. People should be forced to get off their lazy butts and do something about it... That's the great thing about the US is that you can do that - no one is going to stop you.
But the more I look at the other posts, I relize that maybe my views on race are not all that unpopular.
Funny, my dad didn't look Jewish...
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You were rimming your dad? :eek:
There should be no more "Insert racial group/sex here" History Months. Those are just sad attempts to be inclusive that result in people being excluded. Why don't we have - Invention Month, Book Month, Food Month - etc. Make everyone feel included.
March is National Frozen Food Month. If the NFRA can create Frozen Food Month, I guess that you can create Invention Month. I'll support you in that.
+ There are too many people on this planet. The worst thing that the average person can do to the environment is have another child.
Poor people (2. and 3. world countries) should stop getting children. Children born in civilized countries have better chances and will develop better.
Poor people (2. and 3. world countries) should stop getting children. Children born in civilized countries have better chances and will develop better.
I think that just the opposite is true. People in "first world" countries, like the US, have a much larger environmental impact (per capita) than do people in poorer countries. In the US, many people have their first child and suddenly need a big house and an SUV, etc. I've seen entire families in Mexico riding on one 450 CC motorcycle (kids sit on the gas tank).
So, I think that rich people should stop having kids (or adopting them from Zimbabwe). If poor people stop having kids, who's going to serve the french fries?
Rich people have stopped having kids. In most first world countries the population growth is negative.
If you live in a poor country then you need more children to survive with expecting a few to die on the way. If you want to slow population growth you have to give third world countries freedom, education, and money.
.. I'd prefer not to get into actual arguments about them on this thread though, as that could lead to a lot of different arguments going on at once....
Hey! Dinnja read dem rules?
Eugenics is not necessarily a bad idea.
Capital punishment is not a tool used by civilized societies.
"Glitter" was a decent movie.
Ice hockey and football are wayyyyy better to watch than baseball and basketball.
Crocquet is more fun to play than golf.
Curling fucking rules...I will someday play on the US Olympic Curling Team.
There is a logical explanation for everything; some are known, others are yet to be known, most will never be known. Everything we have accomplished, the sum of our collective knowledge, occupies an imperceptibly thin slice of data on the surface of an unimaginably vast mystery.
Nonetheless, this is the best data we have, and we should cherish it, and use it to our advantage in every situation. Also, we should be ready to cast it aside, without reservation, when it does us a disservice. A small bit of the great mystery may be revealed to us, at any moment, in a way we never imagined. However, we aren't really designed to make the distinction between good and bad data, we must make an extreme effort.
Finally, we should always fight, tooth and nail, against those who wish us to surrender to ignorance. As ignorant and insignificant as we are (and we most certainly are, to a degree our minds are incapable of comprehending) we have carved out a small niche of organized data, the qualities of which need constant protection from deliberate obfuscation. Knowledge is our most valuable resource, and attacks upon it are the most heinous crime.
Flint, your post reminded me of this fine piece of work from Donald Rumsfeld:
As we know,
There are known knowns.
There are things we know we know.
We also know
There are known unknowns.
That is to say
We know there are some things
We do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns,
The ones we don't know
We don't know.
:)
Flint, your post reminded me of this fine piece of work from Donald Rumsfeld:
As we know,
There are known knowns.
There are things we know we know.
We also know
There are known unknowns.
That is to say
We know there are some things
We do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns,
The ones we don't know
We don't know.
:)
That quote has been utilized at many scientific conferences; The Skeptic in Scientific American did a piece on it.
There should be European historical societies for Gaelics, Celtics, Irish, Scots, Welsh, etc, to show their pride and network.
We need to bring back men's clubs.
There should be a men's only gym like Curves and it needs to be announced up front that if anyone goes after it Curves will be attacked immediately.
If someone feels guns should be outlawed, they also must agree that all fattening foods should be monitored by law and no car should be produced that can drive over the speed limit and tobacco should be outlawed as well as anything else that kills. These people do not believe in freedom. I also wonder what they feel should be done with overpopulated animal populations and for farmers that need side-arms for protection from snakes and other animals?
Capitol punishment is murder, period.
Telling a child that if they sin they will go to hell is child abuse.
It is not the state's place to tell someone who owns a store or restaurant that they cannot let people smoke or drink on their private property. If you don't like it, don't shop/eat there. If it hurts their business, they will stop allowing it, but allowing it is their constitutional right. That is their property. Life is not about you and what you like.
Freedom means being free to be around others who express their freedoms as well. The freedom to be offended or go somewhere else.
American and European farm subsidies should be abolished because they do nothing more than perpetuate inefficient farming practices and shut out cheaper products produced elsewhere.
Corporate welfare should be abolished. If a corporation wants money from a government, the funds should be in exchange for a stake in the corporation, just like the real world.
People should be encouraged or discouraged from having children in accordance to their degree of natural resistance to common diseases.
Unpaid overtime is slavery.
Steam powered vehicles - direct-drive and steam-electric hybrids - are viable transportation options for the future. Many governments suppress them because they can run well on various untaxed fuels.
Nuclear power creates some of the most dangerous industrial waste known. Anyone that misrepresents it as clean should volunteer to keep some high-level radioactive waste in their own homes and find out for themselves just how unclean it can be.
Global warming from carbon dioxide is real and we should take measures to combat it. Many people who dismiss it do so because they have connections to the fossil fuel industry.
Action taken to combat global warming should be seen as an insurance policy for the planet. Even if we do not collect on the insurance, it would be money well spent because we would be developing renewable energy technologies that we would still be using when all the fossil fuels run out.
That's silly. There are no white people in Philadelphia with guns. The shootings remain unsolved because of John Street's personal agenda to prove that all the ills of the city are caused by whites rather than the notion that Philadelphia shootings are almost exclusively black-on-black crimes, and have their roots in the drug trade.
That counts more as a
popular opinion--wrong thread!
I don't hold any unpopular opinions. :angel:
I dont disagree with cannibalism.
I would prefer to kill a (bad) human than a nice animal.
I prefer 2 min noodles to a steak.
i enjoy stress and drama and think that all relationships should have a time limit of 12 months to keep things interesting.
If you marry/select a life-partner in the ceremony of your choice, you are committing to a lifetime partnership. All your assets should be merged and shared, your voice and your input should be equal. There should be no secrets. If you find you've made a mistake later on, fine, dissolve the partnership, split the assets, but preparing for that moment with prenups/separate bank accounts etc before you even make the commitment is proof that the commitment isn't heartfelt.
Graffiti is art.
Hybrids pollute much more from production to end than an equivalent gasoline-only vehicle.
Religion is the easy way out of asking difficult questions and being confronted by complicated issues.
Consumer culture is an addiction and a destructive disease.
We are afraid only because the news tells us to be.
Rich people have stopped having kids. In most first world countries the population growth is negative.
We would be experiencing population growth if 48,589,993 abortions had not been performed since 1973.
I don't hold any unpopular opinions. :angel:
Radar has a sense of humor.
There should be European historical societies for Gaelics, Celtics, Irish, Scots, Welsh, etc, to show their pride and network.
Your neighborhood doesn't have an Ancient Order of Hibernians?
American and European farm subsidies should be abolished because they do nothing more than perpetuate inefficient farming practices and shut out cheaper products produced elsewhere.
I agree. The EU currently pays farmers millions to NOT produce food. The Common Agricultural Policy needs revising.
Affirmative action levels the playing field, it does not give minorities an edge.
people are too quick to take what authorities say as the truth and not question other motives.
europe and america desperately need people power (protests, marches etc.) to demonstrate a world-wide display of displeasure at the way things are being handled.
Affirmative action levels the playing field, it does not give minorities an edge.
That is why someone who had half my GPA, with no community service or student government involvement received a scholarship to Yale instead of me? Level playing field?
Not even close.
You should have heard the distain the woman had when she told me about it, something she was not supposed to do.
At my office if someone was promoted with less education, less experience and less training they received how much respect? I bet you can guess.
It harms the minorities it does not help them.
It furthers the idea that they cannot do it on their own.
The club that I was involved in in college that is, predominantly, about helping blacks in school and after they get out of school feels this way as well. Affirmative action is harmful and degrading.
That is why someone who had half my GPA, with no community service or student government involvement received a scholarship to Yale instead of me? Level playing field?
In admissions, affirmative action was really "improve the predictive validity of GPA, SAT, and other scoring systems used in the admissions process". The idea was not that colleges needed to correct racial percentages (although it was noted to be a positive side affect), but that the standardized testing methods used prior to college, when viewed statistically, held a bias that created errors and did not correctly predict university performance for certain populations of students. Your GPA and SAT scores predict how well you will do at a university and the concept is that, statistically, someone from a specific population set will perform better than you in equal classes despite having the exact same GPA and SAT score thanks to those predictive errors. The awarding of scholarships followed the same logic.
Is there evidence to support this is true? Well...
The study could easily be done, so there might be. Students that were enrolled under affirmative action test score correction had to take the same courses in college that their classmates did. If affirmative action at universities was truly flawed, then graduation and dropout rates should be very telling.
Am I too late?
Marriage should not exist. The government should be in the business of enforcing contract law, not what people do in their bedrooms or with whom they choose to affiliate.
There is no god and man should stop deluding himself.
No amount of nurture can make up for a lousy nature.
Interstellar space travel will never be accomplished by live, grown human beings.
We should all sign up
here. [vhemt.org]
We should re-introduce wolves into urban environments. :elkgrin:
Affirmative action is racism, and it's worse than the racism it was created to make up for. It harms those it was intended to help, and it perpetuates racism and even attempts to legitimize it by giving it a government sanction.
All who support affirmative action are white supremacists.
They believe minorities aren't as intelligent, strong, or as good as white people and they can't make it on the same measured performance and merits as white people.
Damn those black white supremacists.
Tea is better than coffee
Damn those black white supremacists.
Strange, but true.
One's opinion on non work matters should be stifled in corporate America because it may offend someone. In addition to the challenges associated with performing the tasks of the position you hold, you must always speak and think through a filter that completely sanitizes every idea and action so as not to actually express a true belief of society, current events and politics.
Once someone becomes very good at this process they seem uninteresting and robotic. They are perceived as an appliance of the company and not a human.
After you leave your company owned working environment you are then free to drink Victory gin and express some emotion. You may then also imagine what it's like to be free.
All who support affirmative action are white supremacists.
Not just supremacists but supremacists of the worst variety: racists who have convinced themselves and others that they are not racists. This enables their racist behaviour to perpetuate and propogate under the guise of compassion.
To me, this is much more damaging than unrepentant and flagrant racism because in this case, the victim is participating in his own discrimination.
In addition, affirmative action takes the focus off the source of the problem and therefore, removes the pressure to solve it at its source by addressing the consequences of the root problem instead of the source of the root problem. This is not unlike the doctor opting to treat a disease rather than innoculate you for it.
Its time to stop treating the symptoms and cure the disease. If the medical community thought like this we'd all be catching smallpox.
Tea is better than coffee
I also hold this unpopular opinion ;)
I also hold this unpopular opinion ;)
me too.
coffee houses are pretentious and smell bad.
"life" didn't begin at birth and doesn't end with death.
Current funeral practices are ridiculous. Societal norms emotionally blackmail people into spending way too much money and being environmentally wasteful. This is not ancient Egypt. Even if you believe there is a spirit to live on, you know it doesn't need an embalmed corpse and it certainly doesn't need a mahogany casket with crown-jewel handles. But even if you admit that, society makes you feel bad if you don't provide it.
Current funeral practices are ridiculous. Societal norms emotionally blackmail people into spending way too much money and being environmentally wasteful. This is not ancient Egypt. Even if you believe there is a spirit to live on, you know it doesn't need an embalmed corpse and it certainly doesn't need a mahogany casket with crown-jewel handles. But even if you admit that, society makes you feel bad if you don't provide it.
totally agree. we're dealing with this right now (father in law funeral tomorrow) and the costs and waste involved are outrageous! you dont even get time to grieve with all the notifications of death, registering, clearing a home etc.
its a despicable practice.
Without civil rights laws and programs like affirmative action, those who control wealth and power (white males) would only share wealth and power with those like themselves (white males).
Those who want to repress minorities by doing away with affirmative action are the worst kind of racists. They refuse to acknowledge the racism in our country.
+ Race is an artificial construct. The apparent distinctions between races are due to genetic isolation and large scale inbreeding of a limited population. The factors used to draw distinctions between races are artificial.
+ At a distance, it's difficult to distinguish between the smell of coffee and the smell of a skunk.
HLJ, you've been drinking at Starf*cks again, eh?
I am a god. And not one of the minor ones. I'm Wotan, Optimus Maxiumus, Zeus, Lemmy, and Harvey Keitel all rolled into one god.
I'm also the world's greatest lover. A title I stole from Gene Wilder during a game of no-limit beer cricket.
You were rimming your dad? :eek:
We're called "The Aristocrats":p
"The Aristocrats" joke is the worst joke in the world.
tom cruise beats himself off to pictures of himself in magazines.
some people in this world are beyond help and there needs to be an accurate way to determine this so they can be erradicated
totally agree. we're dealing with this right now (father in law funeral tomorrow) and the costs and waste involved are outrageous! you dont even get time to grieve with all the notifications of death, registering, clearing a home etc.
its a despicable practice.
It is on my letter of intent in my will that no funeral home is to get a red cent when I die. I am to be cremated by the county and my wake is to be held at a pub, restaurant or home.
Funeral homes are corrupt and my family is not to be ripped-off because I died and my husk needs to be disposed of.
I do not want religion to be part of it, but they may have it as long as the pastor, preacher, etc, does not ask or hint at a "donation" or payment for their participation and my ashes are not to be prayed over.
If I don't want to treat other minorities like they are children and stupid, that they cannot achieve the same things as others on their own and must have things given to them instead. If I want to show that they are the same as I and deserve the dignity that comes with being treated the same as I makes me a bigot... fine, I prefer that to whatever you would call someone who treats them like they are less.
Name it what you will, but that is not what I would ever want to be.
In my world, those are the true bigots and racists. Sugar-coat an insult and it is still an insult.
I agree with the funeral thing. I really don't care what happens to me when I die, they can throw me out in the woods for the birds if they want too. I'll be dead, why would I care. Don't want to put that kind of stress on my family when I did.
I think wedding rings are a rip off too.
I think the reason AA is justified is because there is an assumption that minorities are already at a disadvantage and by giving them an advantage in this regard, they are evening out the playing field. I think this is a horrible way of fixing the problem and will only make it worse, we have to go to the source of the problem if we want to fix it.
I think wedding rings are a rip off too.
They are if you pay more than the $30. wholesale that they cost.
+ If you don't eat, you will die. If you eat, you will live. Therefore, any food, provided it isn't poisoned and hasn't gone bad, is good for you.
I don't believe that everyone has the right to freedom of speech.
If you want to tell people that whites are better than anyone else, that gays are an abomination, that women belong in the home, that 6 million jews were not killed in concentration camps or any other nonsense like that, you should have your mouth welded shut and your hands cut off.
I think wedding rings are a rip off too.
I don't know so much about the ring; jewelry usually appreciates in value, and it's something you keep.
Big fancy shmancy show off weddings are totally stupid. 25 grand: the food is eaten, the flowers die, the booze wears off, and 10 years later you're divorced anyway. Hopefully they'll have some decent jewelry to sell. :p
Yes, your ass looks big in that.
i think clone user id's are a freaking riot if they're used responsibly.
PS, i've changed the tipjar link to go directly to lumberjim's offshore account. please give if you can.
We should re-introduce wolves into urban environments. :elkgrin:
Not a chance. I hate cities.
Not feeling guilty about having been born white is not racism.
Not feeling guilty about having been born white is not racism.
The two "not"s cancel, leaving:
"Feeling guilty about having been born white is racism."
Interesting. And true
It's okay to express your pride to be white.
Having pride in the abundance/lack of melanin in your skin is as stupid and pointless as having pride in being blond, having brown eyes, the [in]ability to curl your tongue, or any other genetic trait.
Curling the tongue is a major skill. :p
Curling the tongue is a major skill. :p
That's not an unpopular opinion. ;)
Having pride in the abundance/lack of melanin in your skin is as stupid and pointless as having pride in being blond, having brown eyes, the [in]ability to curl your tongue, or any other genetic trait.
It isn't stupid when everyone else is doing it... :haha:
It's okay to express your pride to be white.
I have never understood why anyone would feel pride in their skin colour....pride in their culture, pride in the town they were born in, pride in their ancestry, I can understand.
I can kind of get my head around someone who has been treated with outright prejudice all their life, based solely on the colour of their skin, taking a perverse pride in their colour as a reaction to that. So, I totally get the whole 'black is beautiful' sentiment as a part of the civil rights movement: after all, that was a response to vicious, legally sanctioned racism (Jim Crow). But pride in being white? What are you kicking against?
The two "not"s cancel, leaving:
"Feeling guilty about having been born white is racism."
You've got your scope wrong...the first not is a negation of the subject, the second not is a negation of the object.
If it was a joke, it was almost funny.
I have never understood why anyone would feel pride in their skin colour....pride in their culture, pride in the town they were born in, pride in their ancestry, I can understand.
It's funny they used to make us go to pep rallies to celebrate school pride as a kid, I never got that. Yay! We're better than the other horrifying public school down the road because our basketball team is better...
I hate Griff...he's an asshole.
:)
Thanks brother, I'm a lot like you.:)
Gentlemen please! This is supposed to be UNpopular opinions, and everyone agrees with what the two of you have said.
You've got your scope wrong...the first not is a negation of the subject, the second not is a negation of the object.
If it was a joke, it was almost funny.
Grant, I didn't mean that in the syntactical-grammatical-morphological double negative sense, but the implication is the same. It's like saying, for example, "If you don't eat my lunch, I won't hit you," which implies, "If you do eat my lunch, I will hit you." (Sorry, that's not a great example, but I'm hungry.)
Is masturbation a form of homosexuality?
Gentlemen please! This is supposed to be UNpopular opinions, and everyone agrees with what the two of you have said.
In that case I'll reveal... I love you man!
Grant, I didn't mean that in the syntactical-grammatical-morphological double negative sense, but the implication is the same. It's like saying, for example, "If you don't eat my lunch, I won't hit you," which implies, "If you do eat my lunch, I will hit you." (Sorry, that's not a great example, but I'm hungry.)
Hah, I completely misunderstood what you said the first time. Go me.
Without civil rights laws and programs like affirmative action, those who control wealth and power (white males) would only share wealth and power with those like themselves (white males).
I utterly reject this completely baseless, entirely false, and meritless claim. Also, there are more poor white people than poor minorities.
Also, there are more poor white people than poor minorities.
Huh. Who would have thought? :rolleyes:
Amazing statistics, there.
+ Politics and power are a form of masturbation.
I hate Griff...he's an asshole.
:)
Why didn't anyone tell me there was a new asshole in town?!!!
I try never to miss an openning. ;)
... there are more poor white people than poor minorities
This is true in Britain, but not surprising given that we have a 92% white population.
However (
from here)
[INDENT]People from minority ethnic communities are more likely to be unemployed, with wide variations even among ethnic groups, with, for example, Bangladeshis suffering a rate of unemployment more than 4 times that of white people; [/INDENT]
[INDENT]Similarly, the rate of employment among people from minority ethnic communities generally is much lower than among white people. This is particularly an issue among Asian women, among whom, in some cases, only around one third are in employment, compared to nearly 80% in the case of white women;[/INDENT]
[INDENT]Although data is not particularly reliable, it is now recognised that people from minority ethnic communities have generally lower incomes than white people, and are more likely to suffer income-related deprivation. Allied to this is the view now accepted by the UK Government and others that people from minority ethnic communities are much more likely to live in poor quality housing, in disadvantaged neighbourhoods, and particularly in areas with high rates of crime; [/INDENT]
[INDENT]Again, although data is incomplete, people from minority ethnic communities face a range of additional health issues, both in terms of the likelihood of becoming ill, but also in terms of this being exacerbated by differential access to health services. [/INDENT]
Similarly, the rate of employment among people from minority ethnic communities generally is much lower than among white people. This is particularly an issue among Asian women, among whom, in some cases, only around one third are in employment, compared to nearly 80% in the case of white women;
Some of that could be attributed to culture, couldn't it?
Kobe beef tastes weird.
Catherine Zeta-Jones can't act. And neither can Scarlett Johansson.
Multiple Personality Disorder is a crock.
Soccer sucks.
Prime Rib is the most disgusting meat on earth.
Adam Sandler is NOT funny. Neither is Will Farrel, or any of their genre.
We don't need to worry about Mexican immigrants; it's the Asians we need to keep our eye on.
Adam Sandler is NOT funny. Neither is Will Farrel, or any of their genre.
But. But. But you quote SNL stuff all the time. How can you dismiss the entire genre?
I have never understood why anyone would feel pride in their skin colour....pride in their culture, pride in the town they were born in, pride in their ancestry, I can understand.
You might recall ... the last two times people got really proud over being German, there were some problems. We're not permitted to say things like that.
Pride of ancestry is another one of those "really only allowable to peoples of a medium tan shade or darker", at least here in America. Black Pride, Latino Pride, Assorted Flavors of Asian Pride, all laudable ... not so for any European culture, unless of course, you're Irish on March 17th ... or you're not but you just really want to get drunk.
Wolf can be trusted to hang onto a loaded side arm.
But. But. But you quote SNL stuff all the time. How can you dismiss the entire genre?
Yes...good SNL, before a maybe funny for 2 minutes skit was stretched into 15 minutes of a fat guy running around, a woman sniffing her armpit...etc and so on.
imho, the last good SNL cast was the 1985-1989 cast. There were, of course, good people in subsequent casts but for the most part it got pretty stupid. I can't even watch the last few years' shows.
I guess genre wasn't the right word. I thought about stealing Bri's word "ilk" but didn't want to be a copycat! :p
I have never understood why anyone would feel pride in their skin colour....pride in their culture, pride in the town they were born in, pride in their ancestry, I can understand.
I can kind of get my head around someone who has been treated with outright prejudice all their life, based solely on the colour of their skin, taking a perverse pride in their colour as a reaction to that. So, I totally get the whole 'black is beautiful' sentiment as a part of the civil rights movement: after all, that was a response to vicious, legally sanctioned racism (Jim Crow). But pride in being white? What are you kicking against?
People telling you that you should feel bad about something someone else did. They need to shut-up and leave everyone alone.
People telling you that you should feel bad about something someone else did. They need to shut-up and leave everyone alone.
Truer words brother, truer words.:thumb:
People telling you that you should feel bad about something someone else did. They need to shut-up and leave everyone alone.
I'm Jewish. Your negating my entire history! :footpyth:
I'm supposed to own something that happened to your ancestors?
Ooooohhhhhh.... got it. Long day. Sorry.
Ooooohhhhhh.... got it. Long day. Sorry.
No problem. Long day here too. :)
not a great way to introduce myself, but i think the age of consent should be lowered in the us
Yeah, but 17 in New York. Some uniformity would be nice.
Welcome to the Cellar, A HERRING! :D
perhaps my least popular opinion (if we're talking even remotely about something that might actually come to pass) is that, IF we're going to have the death penalty and claim that it's a deterrent to violent crime... then the executions ought to be done in public, and not in any particularly 'humane' way, not torture mind you, but something painful, quick and gruesome. ie. guillotine, hanging, firing squad etc.
I'm for that. It's probably more popular than you think.
We are the bad guys in Iraq & Iraqi insurgents are doing exactly what we would be doing in their place (not those coming into the country just to kill US soldiers and Iraqi police). We illegally invaded a nation that was no threat to us and are occupying a sovereign nation without cause and are plotting to steal their natural resources, the actual reason we invaded them to begin with, the only reason we invaded them.
The US already has one of the most liberal immigration systems in the world (not my opinion, fact), most nations are far more difficult to become citizens of, if at all.
IMO, we should have and should currently be strictly enforcing our immigration law and should, in NO WAY feel bad about that because there is NOTHING racist about it. Most of the nations and the main nation that bitches about our immigration laws are FAR more strict than we have EVER been about own own border and immigration policies and need to just shut-up until they practice what they preach.
The US already has one of the most liberal immigration systems in the world (not my opinion, fact), most nations are far more difficult to become citizens of, if at all.
I can vouch for this. I've looked into expatriating extensively. Even if you have a good bit of money in the bank, woah nelly!
As a guy, I find nothing wrong with the color pink...it's one of my favorites.
As a very large man, I don't feel feminine at all holding a woman's purse for her. If YOU do feel odd about it, then you're hiding something from yourself, or you're a short person. In which case you don't have any reason to live anyway.
Holding a purse is one thing...holding it for over an hour while sitting at a bra shop is another
situation entirely. :D
We illegally invaded a nation that was no threat to us and are occupying a sovereign nation without cause and are plotting to steal their natural resources, the actual reason we invaded them to begin with, the only reason we invaded them.
Mine? that this is typical simplified BS due to a failure to understand the workings of international and national politics.
"illegal"? really? Tell that to Congress who allowed it and the UN who santioned it.
"Plotting to steal their natural resources"? HA!!!! really? How much of their oil have we taken and transfered to the US in the last 5 years??? Or maybe you were talking about the sand. That's it! We are taking their sand!:rolleyes:
Another. Prisoners who go to prison for hard time should do hard time. No TV, no magazines, no weights, no play time, no pictures, no letters, no packages, no nothing. All violent and felony repeat criminals should be sent to large high capacity prisons in Northern Alaska or on an island similar to Alcatraz. Full sentances must be served with no time for parole.
Death sentances should be carried out with in 12 months of sentence. And as another poster put it, in full view of the public.
Again, thanks for the response to this thread, people. Excellent. :thumb:
There are no bad words. There are inappropriate ways to use words, and societal norms as well as grammar can define inappropriate, but there are no bad words.
Mine? that this is typical simplified BS due to a failure to understand the workings of international and national politics.
"illegal"? really? Tell that to Congress who allowed it and the UN who santioned it.
"Plotting to steal their natural resources"? HA!!!! really? How much of their oil have we taken and transfered to the US in the last 5 years??? Or maybe you were talking about the sand. That's it! We are taking their sand!:rolleyes:
when did Pres Bush join the cellar? :rolleyes:
really, if you believe this you are beyond help. or maybe you really are a mercenary who does the dirty work for cash and to hell with anyone it affects.
see! unpopular!
although, he(?) does have a point there. I think it's less about actual physical resources than financial ones. and the way the whole thing went down.. the bulk of the american people were scared shitless and wanted blood (atleast from Afghanistan). and I have been against attacking Iraq from day one... since the first 90's era invasion in fact.
You might recall ... the last two times people got really proud over being German, there were some problems. We're not permitted to say things like that.
Pride of ancestry is another one of those "really only allowable to peoples of a medium tan shade or darker", at least here in America. Black Pride, Latino Pride, Assorted Flavors of Asian Pride, all laudable ... not so for any European culture, unless of course, you're Irish on March 17th ... or you're not but you just really want to get drunk.
I think you are confusing "pride" with "violence" and "repression". Nobody had issues with German pride, it was the violence and repression that caused problems. If the KKK didn't lynch black people, they wouldn't be despised. Same for repubicans.
In my opinion governments are something that the human race could easily do without and in the course of time will grow out off.
when did Pres Bush join the cellar? :rolleyes:
really, if you believe this you are beyond help. or maybe you really are a mercenary who does the dirty work for cash and to hell with anyone it affects.
Bush is an idiot. Therefore he is to dumb to have been responsible for all the ills of the world. If you believe that he is then you are a simpleton. That is all. :biggrinpi:
In my opinion governments are something that the human race could easily do without and in the course of time will grow out off.
I believe we'll eventually grow into a world-spanning government. At first it will be a loose consortium of corporations.
Calling a whore a "sex worker" doesn't make him/her any less of a whore.
I believe we'll eventually grow into a world-spanning government. At first it will be a loose consortium of corporations.
And then, after Damien has our total trust, he'll unleash hell. :)
Bush is an idiot. Therefore he is to dumb to have been responsible for all the ills of the world. If you believe that he is then you are a simpleton. That is all. :biggrinpi:
i know. its the Illuminati.:p
i know. its the Illuminati.:p
Sure them and
The Jews....:eek:
Calling a whore a "sex worker" doesn't make him/her any less of a whore.
I don't believe in assigning moral value to sex. In other words, sex for fun or profit is not immoral, bad, naughty, or any other silly, repressed word someone wants to assign to it. A whore is someone who dates someone for money or sex while lying to them about how they feel for them,
that is a whore, male or female. Prostitution is illegal because of religion and that men are afraid of women having power over them.
Another of my unpopular opinions.
Actually, I agree with that one, Rzkenrage. I think what a person wants to do with their own body is their choice.
If we have affirmative action based on skin color, then we should extend it to people with other physically undesirable qualities (in the opinion of our culture in general [I don't subscribe to the same standards :P]). So, fat people, short people, ugly people and people with visible body-mods should get benefits under the same legislation as minorities.
You know, they have done study after study after study and determined that it is NOT race which indicates grades, employment, or any other measure of success, but rather socioeconomic status.--i.e., it's not that minorities are held down, it's that poor people are held down and minorities are statistically more likely to be poor.
I know this looks like thread drift, but it's not, see:
I think that if we're really going to attempt to "level the playing field," (which is impossible IMHO) then affirmative action should actually be in the form of an economic rating. Give young adults a score based on their parents' tax forms, and schools/employers can give preference to the lower numbers as they see fit. After the age of 25, you've had enough years to recover and you're on your own.
You know, they have done study after study after study and determined that it is NOT race which indicates grades, employment, or any other measure of success, but rather socioeconomic status.--i.e., it's not that minorities are held down, it's that poor people are held down and minorities are statistically more likely to be poor.
I know this looks like thread drift, but it's not, see:
I think that if we're really going to attempt to "level the playing field," (which is impossible IMHO) then affirmative action should actually be in the form of an economic rating. Give young adults a score based on their parents' tax forms, and schools/employers can give preference to the lower numbers as they see fit. After the age of 25, you've had enough years to recover and you're on your own.
That form of thing already occurs with the FAFSA. If your kid goes to college, every parent must fill this out. It tells the college exactly how much money they can get from your parents and how much they don't have to help your kid to pay through grants or scholarship.
That form of thing already occurs with the FAFSA. If your kid goes to college, every parent must fill this out. It tells the college exactly how much money they can get from your parents and how much they don't have to help your kid to pay through grants or scholarship.
Ah, spoken like a good parent of a college student, not the student themselves. FAFSA is in fact completely voluntary, and many parents are dicks and refuse to give their information out. Shawnee123 works in a college financial aid office and can tell you all about how parents can suck. (My own father, in fact, refused to give his information for this purpose--not to be a dick, because we already knew I was never going to qualify for any aid anyway, but because he's a privacy nut.) I'm talking about pulling the information from their tax forms, no permission required. Furthermore, FAFSA has nothing to do with admissions, only how much they'll help you pay if you manage to get in on your own. The argument behind affirmative action is not that minorities can't afford college, it's that they're being held back from going in the first place.
That form of thing already occurs with the FAFSA. If your kid goes to college, every parent must fill this out. It tells the college exactly how much money they can get from your parents and how much they don't have to help your kid to pay through grants or scholarship.
The Department of Education's take is that a parent is "responsible for their children's education" until the child is 24. Though that is an abitrary age, imho, I agree with the concept. I've seen parents who make in excess of 100 grand a year who can't believe their kids don't get government assistance. What? You mean I should have been saving for my child's education rather than buying a new RV, a McMansion, and generally keeping ahead of the Joneses? Clodfobble is right, some parents are dicks. She is right in every aspect of her post. The problem for some students is that the parents know they make too much for the student to qualify for grants, but low interest federal student loans are also based on the FAFSA. For the parents who did not save, a loan may be the difference between a kid going to college at all, or maybe the difference between attending the college of their choice which may have a much better program in their field of interest.
The purpose of grants is to assist lower income families. Though there are system players, financial aid administrators try hard to follow the regulations as well as understand the individual challenges that each family may face. In the end, however, we have to abide by DOE regs.
I'm a liberal with closet conservative tendencies beyond my control, because of what I see every day. For a better synopsis of my view on the subject you can refer to this
post, and the one after that.
As for scholarships, though some are based solely on need, most are academic or a combination of academics and need. Scholarships are governed by the donors; as administrators we just have to abide by the donor's wishes.
I know many kids of rich parents who were tossed out on their ass at 18, some who's parents steal from them to this day even though they have more money than their kids still. Knew several of them bustin'-it through college right along with me.
It is screwed-up.
There's an idea floating around Whitehall at the moment to introduce some kind of check on university applicants to see if their parents have a degree.....idea being to try and increase the number of kids from lower income/less educated households getting into uni. Fucking studid idea if ever I heard one. Please for God's sake someone shoot our PM. Y'know we used to have a really good uni system over here. Any student who wanted to go to uni and had the a-levels to get in, was entitled to a grant to assist with living expenses and their tuition fees were covered by the state. It worked. It only stopped working when people got this idea that half the population should be attending university......brilliant...now a degree is worth what an a-level used to be and will just about get you a job in middle-management. Meanwhile the huge number of people who've been persuaded to get that degree whowould otherwise not, have encumbered themselves with huge debts.
There's an idea floating around Whitehall at the moment to introduce some kind of check on university applicants to see if their parents have a degree.....idea being to try and increase the number of kids from lower income/less educated households getting into uni. Fucking studid idea if ever I heard one. Please for God's sake someone shoot our PM. Y'know we used to have a really good uni system over here. Any student who wanted to go to uni and had the a-levels to get in, was entitled to a grant to assist with living expenses and their tuition fees were covered by the state. It worked. It only stopped working when people got this idea that half the population should be attending university......brilliant...now a degree is worth what an a-level used to be and will just about get you a job in middle-management. Meanwhile the huge number of people who've been persuaded to get that degree whowould otherwise not, have encumbered themselves with huge debts.
Hmm. So you're saying that more education is good, just so long that the inescapable consequences of supply and demand don't dilute the value of the degree of those that got into the market early--bought low, so to speak. And that the grants are ok, but not for the people who can't afford them? wtf?
I'm torn on the degree issue. I think the more people that have the opportunity the better. Though I don't think anyone should feel obligated to get a degree.
I only went and completed school because "that's the good and proper thing to do." And now I want to go on for even more education.
I actually think having the market value of a degree fall is a good thing. It just means that the baseline educational level of our population is rising. The bad thing is that academic standards are also being lowered.
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I actually think having the market value of a degree fall is a good thing.
ahem. I guess i forgot to raise my sarcasm flag, grant. Degrees have a market value, I agree. But having more of them doesn't dilute their value. I don't include bogus degrees in this equation. Those are crimes of a different color.
It just means that the baseline educational level of our population is rsing. The bad thing is that academic standards are also being lowered.
These are two different things. They have no causal relationship. The "meaning" you mention--I'm not buying it if you're selling it as a package deal. More (valid) degrees means more educated people and more knowledge as a whole. This is completely good.
Academic standards aren't static inert objects. When they're lowered dramatically, or arbitrarily, or improperly, it is a bad thing. Just decouple those two thoughts, and we're right in synch.
Hmm. So you're saying that more education is good, just so long that the inescapable consequences of supply and demand don't dilute the value of the degree of those that got into the market early--bought low, so to speak. And that the grants are ok, but not for the people who can't afford them? wtf?
No. I am saying that in the drive to ensure more people go to university (as opposed to , say, technical college or polytechnics) every higher education establishment has been turned into a university and every conceivable subject is available at degree level (e.g a degree in hospitality). The problem with grants is that they have been replaced with loans. I absolutely subscribe to the idea that students attending higher education (whether that be for a degree or a diploma) should have a grant as they did up until about 15 years ago. Because now a degree or diploma is necessary for many entry level jobs where it wasn't before, more people are attending to get such degrees/diplomas this has been used as a justification for saying that the country cannot afford to give them all a grant therefore the grant has been replaced with loans. Now anybody who wants to seek a higher education has to either accept that they will be saddled with huge amounts of debt, or be lucky enough to come from a family with wealth enough to fund them. Fifteen years ago a working class kid could go to university or polytechnic if they had the a-level grades for the course and be sure that they would have just about enough to live on whilst they were in their course without incurring substantial debts.....it was, and is, free to attend college for a-levels if you are under 18 or unemployed. Unfortunately those a-levels are now worthless for anything other than entry to university level courses. Time was a couple of a-levels was the qualification needed for many entry level management type jobs. You could get a job as a researcher at a t.v company with three decent a-levels: now they won't even look at you unless you have a degree.
I love the idea of more people seeking education.....but not because it's the only way to get a decent job. I love the idea of more working class kids going to university....but not so they can do a degree in beauty therapy. We are selling these kids short, and charging them a fortune.
As for the idea of checking whether or not applicants to university have university educated parents.....I should have explained that in more detail: the idea is that in order to strike the correct balance between those people who are from an advantaged background and those who aren't, universities should check whether or not their applicants' parents have a degree...this would mean that if your parents had a degree you may end up being refused a place. This would be regardless of your parents actual economic status or your actual advantages in life...the fact that your parents have a degree would place you in a particular category. So, all those workingclass people who struggled and went to university when they were young but never got more than an average wage at the end of it would be treated the same as the wealthy families for whom a degree is a standard accoutrement.
Awesome. We here in the USA would like to remind our denied British applicants -- no, I say, friends -- that our universities are open to their applications. We are looking for the best and brightest to join our society. For some, it will be substantially financially rewarding. You may match the diversity needs and receive financial aid as well. Please forward applications to Shawnee123.
*chuckles*
I might say at this point that the idea of scanning applicants on those grounds is only a suggestion right now. Blair is desperately peddling about looking for a legacy......anything to blanket out the Iraq debacle......so tres bizarre ideas are suddenly gaining currency atthe moment. Watch this space.
As a local Labour politician I probably shouldn't say stuff like that....but hey I'm amongst friends right?
There's an idea floating around Whitehall at the moment to introduce some kind of check on university applicants to see if their parents have a degree.....idea being to try and increase the number of kids from lower income/less educated households getting into uni. Fucking studid idea if ever I heard one. Please for God's sake someone shoot our PM. Y'know we used to have a really good uni system over here. Any student who wanted to go to uni and had the a-levels to get in, was entitled to a grant to assist with living expenses and their tuition fees were covered by the state. It worked. It only stopped working when people got this idea that half the population should be attending university......brilliant...now a degree is worth what an a-level used to be and will just about get you a job in middle-management. Meanwhile the huge number of people who've been persuaded to get that degree whowould otherwise not, have encumbered themselves with huge debts.
Well that sounds
exactly like a form of Afirmative Action to me.:whofart:
You may match the diversity needs and receive financial aid as well. Please forward applications to Shawnee123.
HEY! I just saw this and all I can say is:bolt:
I actually think having the market value of a degree fall is a good thing. It just means that the baseline educational level of our population is rising. The bad thing is that academic standards are also being lowered.
Depends on what your degree is in. The goal is to pick something that will be marketable for years after you finish.
There's an idea floating around Whitehall at the moment to introduce some kind of check on university applicants to see if their parents have a degree.....idea being to try and increase the number of kids from lower income/less educated households getting into uni. Fucking studid idea if ever I heard one.
~snip
There is a question on the FAFSA asking level of education completed by parents. We don't use it. Some states and institutions have aid for the first-generation college student.
Sigh...today I heard a woman complaining about one of our pell policies, stating she didn't know about it because she's a single mother. Freaking WHAT? For one thing, she signed the damn office app saying she read and understood all policies (and this policy is a big deal so it's written not only in our policies and procedures manual but everywhere else we can find some space to publish it.) And what the hell does her single mothering have to do with it anyway? I would have handed her a condom and sent her on her merry way. Poor downtrodden girl. :right:
Well that sounds exactly like a form of Afirmative Action to me
It's a rather twisted version of it. Whether or not someone's parent has a degree is no indicator of socio-economic status (the thing they are supposedly trying to balance out). We have a generation of working class graduates who were able to get a degree because of grants, aid and encouragement.....many of them have not then gone on to join the economic middle class. We still have a problem in the UK with children from low socio economic backgrounds having low expectations and not taking advantage of educational opportunities. The answer to that is to make it more accessible. Instead we have removed many of the forms of assistance that were in place, replaced them with loans and freed the universities up to charge pretty much what they like; consequently, right now a new student can expect to take on approximately £7000 per year in debt. Over the next couple of years that is likely to rise to about £14000 per year. That is likely to put a lot of workingclass kids off attending university and will also put a lot of mature students off as well.
Having made university gradually more difficult to access financially over the last fifteen years, the government's bright idea is to encourage universities not to take as many kids whose parents have a degree and to take on more first generation graduates.....in which case, what the fuck was the point of helping, encouraging and assisting a generation of working class teenagers to attend university twenty years ago....? Many of them were first generation graduates.
The goal is to pick something that will be marketable for years after you finish.
I don't believe that at all. I mean that's what most people think, but most people also think that going to Uni is supposed to teach you how to do something. Which is not true; if you want skill training go to a technical or professional school.
What students should pursue is something they're passionate about, not what will, in theory, make them the most bank. Unless the student doesn't mind doing something they might hate for the next 30-40 years.
A Bachelor's degree is just about enough time and effort for many people to figure out what they're passionate about, if they're lucky.
My unpopular opinion for this post: Law and Medicine are no worse or better fields than Plumbing; they all require technical qualifications.
Depends on what your degree is in. The goal is to pick something that will be marketable for years after you finish.
Unfortunately, people confuse marketable with profitable - and many students choose majors based on where they will make the most bucks. Nothing wrong with that, but you end up with professionals who have no passion for their profession but more passion for the bottom line. Hence why there are too many lawyers and doctors.
And I can gripe about too many lawyers... I am one and wish that there were less of them to deal with!
I have a degree in Elementary Education that I'll never use. Anyone want to buy it from me? It's at a good price and I can discount it further since it was obtained in New Jersey! :D
Evolution thru natural selection counts for human beings too.
Every decision that you've made up to this point, have led you to this point.
The US should go to war as a truly last resort.
When the US must go to war, stick with what we do well. That means invade, take care of the reason for the invasion, and get the hell out. We don't have an obligation to rebuild. That only encourages countries to provoke us to invade, because they want new infrastructure. If the problem returns, or if another problem pops up, invade again - hell, we're good at it, aren't we? Then get the hell out before any military personnel get killed.
Exactly.
Jinx, a lot of people has issues with dependent origination and accountability... we live in a society of "it's not really my fault" and it is a sickness we need to get rid of ASAP because it will be the root of our downfall. It is killing our education system and that will rot our whole nation(s).
We must always own our actions and decisions. Sure, some things are harder for some than others... that has NOTHING to do with accountability, how hard something is means squat.
That the relationship is over and married by 24, 5 kids by 30 is not a good idea.
(unpopular with my now ex girlfriend)
Hence why there are too many lawyers and doctors.
Well there may very well be to many lawyers, but we need more docotors. There are not enough people going into medicine anymore because there are to many lawyers.:D
hell yeah rkzenrage, hit that on the head. sometimes it's really really unpleasant... but one must own up to ones actions.
Prostitution is illegal because of religion
Then it must be legal in China.
Evolution thru natural selection counts for human beings too.
Every decision that you've made up to this point, have led you to this point.
There are plenty of times when you are subject to the decisions of others, where you have absolutely no control, that will lead you to this point.
There are plenty of times when you are subject to the decisions of others, where you have absolutely no control, that will lead you to this point.
That's pretty rare, though I'll concede that sometimes you have very little control. Do you have an example?
Evolution thru natural selection counts for human beings too.
Every decision that you've made up to this point, have led you to this point.
No way! God made us what we are, and controls use completely - it says so in a musem in Kentuccky!:dunce: :crazy: :nuts: [/sarcasm]
Well there may very well be to many lawyers, but we need more docotors. There are not enough people going into medicine anymore because there are to many lawyers.:D
It's far easier to become a lawyer.
That's pretty rare, though I'll concede that sometimes you have very little control. Do you have an example?
Where and when and to whom you were born?
That's pretty rare, though I'll concede that sometimes you have very little control. Do you have an example?
When the company you work for is sold to a rival company, making the Directors millionaires and leaving you out of a job.
I had a choice whether to start that job, but no choice or control over how I left it.
When you are driving carefully down a road and a drunk driver crashes into your car. Yes you chose to drive....no you didn't have control over the `crash.
When your baby is born severely disabled and requiring a lifetime of medical attention and assistance.
When you suffer from an inherited condition which has an affect on how you can live your life.
If you get attacked by some random individual on the tube.
How you react to and your attitude toward those instances are far more powerful and lasting in your life than the actual occurrences themselves.
I think there's some truth to that.
Every decision that you've made up to this point, have led you to this point.
Other than the example of being born, Jinx's point is valid. I chose the job, putting myself in a position to lose it when it was taken over. I chose to drive on that road, at that time. It's not that I controlled what happened, but my decisions put me there.
the working classes' role is to support and uphold the wealthy.
That's pretty rare, though I'll concede that sometimes you have very little control. Do you have an example?
Think about it next time they slip the handcuffs on and you have no idea why.
Or you spend thirty years building a business and the government passes a law that puts you out of business.
How about when your spouse goes out for a pack of smokes and never comes back.
Or when your mother dips you in protection, all but your heel.
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Think about it next time they slip the handcuffs on and you have no idea why.
Or you spend thirty years building a business and the government passes a law that puts you out of business.
How about when your spouse goes out for a pack of smokes and never comes back.
Or when your mother dips you in protection, all but your heel.
Are you abdicating responsibilty for those things? Is it that God works in mysterious ways? Or coincidence? Shit happens?
You did have some influence in all those things.
Your choices put you there. It may have not worked according to plan, but
you did make choices, and those choices had those results.
You are responsible for your actions, not their outcomes.
You are responsible for your actions, not their outcomes.
And that, my friends, is what is wrong with America today.
Don't see why. Clearly you have absolute responsibility and control over your actions: unless you have a crystal ball you are unlikely to be able to predict all the myriad outcomes from every single action. The Sliding Doors moments, so to speak.
You are responsible for your actions, not their outcomes.
And that, my friends, is what is wrong with America today.
Take it another way -- you are only responsible for doing your absolute best in all circumstances. What happens as a result of that is not yours, either for blame or praise. You own your actions and nothing else.
How is this a problem for America? :eyebrow:
unless you have a crystal ball
As a matter of fact, I
do have a crystal ball...it doesn't tell me anything, but it sure is pretty.
Take it another way -- you are only responsible for doing your absolute best in all circumstances. What happens as a result of that is not yours, either for blame or praise. You own your actions and nothing else.
How is this a problem for America? :eyebrow:
This implies that one cannot possibly predict or anticipate the consequences of their actions.
For example, cane toads were imported into Australia "from South America during the 1930s in a failed attempt to control beetles on Australia's northern sugar cane plantations. The poisonous toads have proven fatal to Australia's delicate ecosystems, killing millions of native animals from snakes to the small crocodiles that eat them."
http://www.livescience.com/animalworld/070327_ap_giant_toad.html
Were the importers of the toads not responsible for the negative results of introducing a foreign species? (Same with the rabbits.)
(btw, we are on target for a cane toad iotd tomorrow)
Take it another way -- you are only responsible for doing your absolute best in all circumstances. What happens as a result of that is not yours, either for blame or praise. You own your actions and nothing else.
How is this a problem for America? :eyebrow:
So you get in a car and drive drunk. You are responsible for that action. An hour later as you drive you kill a mother of three and her children in a head on collision. You say you are not responsible. How?
So you get in a car and drive drunk. You are responsible for that action. An hour later as you drive you kill a mother of three and her children in a head on collision. You say you are not responsible. How?
Action - driving while drunk
Result - Head on collision and death of innocent people
Conclusion - The driver is fully responsible because he made a decision that was illegal and immoral knowing that his ability was impaired
Action - Driving your kids to the swimming pool
Result - Hit by a drunk driver and killed along with your children
Conclusion - the mother took an action she believed was healthy and responsible. Her children would be alive if she hadn't signed them up for swimming lessons but she is not responsible for their deaths, despite the fact that her action led to it.
Action - driving while drunk
Result - Head on collision and death of innocent people
Conclusion - The driver is fully responsible because he made a decision that was illegal and immoral knowing that his ability was impaired
Action - Driving your kids to the swimming pool
Result - Hit by a drunk driver and killed along with your children
Conclusion - the mother took an action she believed was healthy and responsible. Her children would be alive if she hadn't signed them up for swimming lessons but she is not responsible for their deaths, despite the fact that her action led to it.
Goes both ways eh?
Goes both ways eh?
Oh yes - but that's what I think Pie was saying. If you are doing the best you can, you hope that your actions don't have bad consequences. But you can't guarantee it.
Oh yes - but that's what I think Pie was saying. If you are doing the best you can, you hope that your actions don't have bad consequences. But you can't guarantee it.
Ok, if that is the case I get it. It did not read that way when first posted to me. Makes sense.
We all drive almost every day. We all know the risks of being on the road. But what percentage of drivers take action to improve their driving skills (winter driving course, defensive driving course, etc.) to reduce those risks?
Since many collisions could have been avoided by a driver with advanced training, those of us who don't make that effort bear an increased percentage of the responsibility when we are involved in an accident.
A similar arguement can be made for self-defense training.
Oh yes - but that's what I think Pie was saying. If you are doing the best you can, you hope that your actions don't have bad consequences. But you can't guarantee it.
Exactly. You are responsible for doing the
best you can. Ethically, morally, and every which other way. Always.
If something bad happens as a result, it is not your fault.
If something good happens, it is not to your praise.
However, if you
don't do the best you can by your own yardstick, you are always to blame, even if nothing bad comes of it.
:2cents:
Yayyyyy... Pie absolved me!
I can pull the trigger and that is all I'm responsible for!
That bad ol' bullet killed em'.
However, if you don't do the best you can by your own yardstick, you are always to blame, even if nothing bad comes of it.
:2cents:
So you seem to agree that, since most drivers don't do their best to improve their driving skills, they are at least partly to blame when they are in an accident?
Exactly. You are responsible for doing the best you can. Ethically, morally, and every which other way. Always.
If something bad happens as a result, it is not your fault.
If something good happens, it is not to your praise.
However, if you don't do the best you can by your own yardstick, you are always to blame, even if nothing bad comes of it.
Where in this set of absolutes does one get to think "you know, I really worked hard for that outcome. I deserve to feel good about it."?
Are you abdicating responsibilty for those things? Is it that God works in mysterious ways? Or coincidence? Shit happens?
You did have some influence in all those things. Your choices put you there. It may have not worked according to plan, but you did make choices, and those choices had those results.
Oh of course, why didn't I see that. If he hadn't chosen to breath this morning he wouldn't have died this afternoon. It's so clear.
Well then, by your logic, I didn't make the decision to be born so everything that happens to me is someone else's fault.
It seems to be a bit of a tautology. It's true, but it says nothing outside of its own validity.
So you seem to agree that, since most drivers don't do their best to improve their driving skills, they are at least partly to blame when they are in an accident?
Yep.
Yayyyyy... Pie absolved me!
I can pull the trigger and that is all I'm responsible for!
That bad ol' bullet killed em'.
No, your action was unethical -- if you believe suicide is unethical.
It seems to be a bit of a tautology. It's true, but it says nothing outside of its own validity.
I think you were responding to me?
It does absolve you from guilt over things that were unforeseeable. I have to keep reminding my mother of this from time to time -- you did the best with the information you had -- at the time. You can't beat yourself up forever for things that you didn't know, things that you
couldn't have known.
If your actions are good, honorable, ethical, moral, worthwhile... you have lived up to your highest possibility. Doesn't matter if your life sucked, if you made a billion dollars, if you were loved, if you died in a ditch. What you
do is all that matters.
Action - driving while drunk
Illegal
Action - Driving your kids to the swimming pool
Legal
That's the difference.
Being a legal act does not remove any responsibility for your actions.
Where in this set of absolutes does one get to think "you know, I really worked hard for that outcome. I deserve to feel good about it."?
Am I on ignore, or invisible, or is this not a valid question?
Sometimes it's easier to ignore the tough questions.
opinion: The remaining small government conservatives in the GOP are completely out of the loop. They represent a large number of voters and need to assert themselves.
I haven't heard much out of Ron Paul recently, but isn't he running for President?
I haven't heard much out of Ron Paul recently, but isn't he running for President?
Don't mock my silly belief system lube boy.
Don't mock my silly belief system lube boy.
I'm not mocking you, drunkard. Depending on the candidates, I might be inclined to vote for someone like Paul.
Uh-oh. Sycamore has the lube and Griff is drunk. Does anyone else see where this is going? lol!!!
I simultaneously think that Jesus was great, but Christianity is ...not.
Oh of course, why didn't I see that. If he hadn't chosen to breath this morning he wouldn't have died this afternoon. It's so clear.
Well then, by your logic, I didn't make the decision to be born so everything that happens to me is someone else's fault.
Sarcasm noted.
The dangerous other side if that coin is, by your logic, someone pissed me off, so I killed him - it was his fault.
I simultaneously think that Jesus was great, but Christianity is ...not.
Same here.
Uh-oh. Sycamore has the lube and Griff is drunk. Does anyone else see where this is going? lol!!!
Ya know, Griff's wife goes by the name "Pete" here on the Cellar...
Reckless comments fella! The mother of my babies is not a man! Not that there's anything wrong with that...
Being a legal act does not remove any responsibility for your actions.
No matter how guilty she feels about the death of the kids, the mom's not responsible in any way. The drunk is.
Griff,
That setting looks so real that it almost has to be artificial, like one of those indoor studio settings. Maybe that's just a result of the lighting and depth of focus.
Thanks. The pic was taken on my deck. Pete was an Art major in college so blame her for the camera settings. ;)
:p I just realized my comment "sweet family, griff" doesn't really go well with the thread title "unpopular opinions..."
that "orange" is pronounced R-nge
Griff,
That setting looks so real that it almost has to be artificial, like one of those indoor studio settings. Maybe that's just a result of the lighting and depth of focus.
I want to buy your women. How much for the little girl? [/Jake Blues]
Originally Posted by Shawnee123 
Where in this set of absolutes does one get to think "you know, I really worked hard for that outcome. I deserve to feel good about it."?
Am I on ignore, or invisible, or is this not a valid question?
No, it's valid, I'm not ignoring you.. I'm just lazy. :p
In your example, you're proud of your hard work. You're proud of your
action. The fact that your commendable action resulted in a good outcome is gravy. It's fully appropriate to be proud of your actions, in my world view. :comfort:
Kewl! I guess I just misunderstood this part:
If something good happens, it is not to your praise.
:)
The dangerous other side if that coin is, by your logic, someone pissed me off, so I killed him - it was his fault.
Nah, it's
your fault you took the action of killing him, and it's
his fault he got killed. Everyone's to blame!
My unpopular opinion of the day: No way is my house worth what it's going to sell for (an offer in 2 days!) I sure as hell wouldn't buy it. Being old != "character."
You're selling your house? Aren't you the one who had to jackhammer out like 50 tons of concrete to make a backyard? Growing family, huh?
Congrats Clod, that's great!
Oh yeah, Congrats on selling the place! I guess in this market that isn't so easy.
You're selling your house? Aren't you the one who had to jackhammer out like 50 tons of concrete to make a backyard?
Yeah, but it was a fixer-upper, the point was always to sell it again in a few years. Mr. Concrete and Friends just made that take longer than expected. :)
People who believe that creationism is a science are lunatics.
Oral sex is terrific; anal sex is fantastic; the combination of the two makes me swoon.
Don't kill nothing that don't need killing.
People who believe that creationism is a science are lunatics.
Oral sex is terrific; anal sex is fantastic; the combination of the two makes me swoon.
combination? you mean analingus or both at once?
Neutron bombs? All for 'em, much more humane than nuclear.
Internment camps? Let's dust off Manzanar and put it to good use.
combination? you mean analingus or both at once?
There is no need to limit yourself.:p
No matter how guilty she feels about the death of the kids, the mom's not responsible in any way. The drunk is.
Dat true, but legality has nothing to do with it.
Reckless comments fella! The mother of my babies is not a man! Not that there's anything wrong with that...
Fake photo...you pulled that from a picture frame at Wal-Mart.
The "obesity epidemic" is an exaggerated beat-up manufactured by pharmaceutical corporations and weight-loss clinics.
If you are moderately overweight, eat properly and get regular exercise, you will be healthier than a slim person who eats junk and doesn't exercise.
The Atkins diet is a weapon of mass destruction, and should be treated as such.
The only diet that works is one that you are willing to stick to for the rest of your life.
O'Bama's church structure is racist... just racist... that's it.
The Atkins diet is criminal.
Religion is often a very good force in the world.
Organised Religion is more often a destructive force in the world. :-P
Because it does good, makes me feel good/happy, tradition, etc... are not reasons for religion.
Because it does good, makes me feel good/happy, tradition, etc... are not reasons for religion.
Why not?
It is not rational... if your neighbor came out and said "I have a car sized diamond in my back yard, sure am happy" & you said, "Wow, how do you know?". Then he says "because I don't want to live in a world without a car sized diamond in my back yard", do you think of that man as a rational one? Would that be a reason for him to go on a shopping spree?
Hey, I trick myself into sleep sometimes pretending I am on a Polar expedition who have only just made it back to base - all warm and cosy and snuggly and ALIVE and that's all that matters.
Whatever gets your through the night.
I thought you accepted people's beliefs weren't the problem - only their actions were? So if your neighbour gets off on his "diamond" good for him. Just don't beggar the family spending the mortgage payment because of it.
Religion isn't rational--that's kind of the point.
Oops. I apologize. I just realized which thread this was, and that questioning unpopular opinions is not good form here. Carry on.
I think spectator sports are pedestrian.
I think pedestrians should be spectator sports.
Anyone who bought a house or refinanced in the past three years is in for a surprise.
Hey, I trick myself into sleep sometimes pretending I am on a Polar expedition who have only just made it back to base - all warm and cosy and snuggly and ALIVE and that's all that matters.
Whatever gets your through the night.
I thought you accepted people's beliefs weren't the problem - only their actions were? So if your neighbour gets off on his "diamond" good for him. Just don't beggar the family spending the mortgage payment because of it.
I never questioned anyone's right to believe what they wanted to, just how they acted on it.
This thread is about unpopular opinions and mine is that religion is unfounded, not helpful, can be replaced by far more productive activities and irrational.
I think pedestrians should be spectator sports.
--OJ did not kill Nicole and Ron...BUT HE KNOWS WHO DID.
--80's cheesy metal is actually pretty good.
--The native Americans deserve compensation
--native black Americans do not
--The first slaves here were Irish (indentured servants) and they were never "freed".
--talking on a cell phone while driving should be illegal nationwide..
--convicted criminals deserve a cell, bed, shower, toilet, 3 meals a day, a drab jumpsuit and slip on shoes.
--they don't deserve TV, computers, "regular" clothing.
--Iraq was not a war for oil
--country music was better then than it is now.
Religion isn't rational--that's kind of the point.
Tell that to the guys who just built a museum in KY.
I think there should be limitations on spending in College sports. It should be a fraction of what is spent on any educational department.
Also, the amount spent should be leveled between sports and genders.
--OJ did not kill Nicole and Ron...BUT HE KNOWS WHO DID.
--80's cheesy metal is actually pretty good.
--The native Americans deserve compensation
--native black Americans do not
--The first slaves here were Irish (indentured servants) and they were never "freed".
--talking on a cell phone while driving should be illegal nationwide..
--convicted criminals deserve a cell, bed, shower, toilet, 3 meals a day, a drab jumpsuit and slip on shoes.
--they don't deserve TV, computers, "regular" clothing.
--Iraq was not a war for oil
--country music was better then than it is now.
That'll show em, instead of those cherry orange ones they have now.
The first slaves here were Irish (indentured servants) and they were never "freed".
Yeah. But indentured servitude was generally timebound: either a specific number of years service, or service to pay off a specific amount. African slaves were simply property, with no future manumission in sight for most, and certainly no rights as people in court(many southern states actually outlawed the freeing of slaves). Their children were also property. Indentured servitude shared certain characteristics with slavery (e.g masters using coporal chastisement and limited right of movement), however in several very fundamental areas there was no comparison.
There was plenty of Irish property in the Ivory Coast and Caribbean.
Ohio is doing a very stupid thing bailing out the folks who took out absurd morgages.
...
--native black Americans do not
...
What is a native black American?
Women that are considered to be "far too thin" by the media can still be totally hot.
My idea of "hot" derives from about 75% of their attitude/mind and 10% personal hygiene & style. I am really not exaggerating. The rest is, usually, based on how curvy they are, notice that 85% of their personality can over-come that easily.
However, truly thin women tend to be a bit high-strung and obsessive for reasons I cannot fathom.
What is a native black American?
LoL. I hadn't spotted that.
We ate them all, didn't we?
I have no burning desire to discuss religion, or politics on the Internet.
I think that deserves some prize, for most unpopular opinion.:D
I agree!
It would be awesome, the day when people behave in a way that it makes it unnecessary.
Another unpopular opinion of mine... if you want to treat one group with a slight melanin difference differently, either positively or negatively, it matters not, you are clearly a racist.
And the winner so far....
My opinions:
- History that does not affect me or people I commonly interact with is utterly useless.
- Most of what I am learning is school will be forgotten eight seconds after I hand the test in and never remembered in my life ever again.
- Popular people at school are usually jerks.
My opinions:
- History that does not affect me or people I commonly interact with is utterly useless.
You're right if you learn nothing from it.
- Most of what I am learning is school will be forgotten eight seconds after I hand the test in and never remembered in my life ever again.
You're right if you learn nothing from it.
- Popular people at school are usually jerks.
Yes.
And the winner so far....
Says the man with over 20,000 Cellar posts. :D
I'm bedridden today, what's your excuse Bruce? Slacker.
Genealogy is one of the most boring topics in the world. I could not possibly care less what the names of my ancient relatives were; they have no bearing on my life today.
I'm bedridden today, what's your excuse Bruce? Slacker.
So am I.
Genealogy is one of the most boring topics in the world. I could not possibly care less what the names of my ancient relatives were; they have no bearing on my life today.
If you don't know their names, how can you check the list of unclaimed money in the paper.
Ohio is doing a very stupid thing bailing out the folks who took out absurd morgages.
Griff, I've missed that. My ex b/f is going to lose his house. Stupid or not (which is true, he's clueless,) can you point me to the story? :biggrin:
Universal healthcare is probably impossible.
Most college educations are a waste.
Diet Pepsi is better than Diet Coke. :p
bob dylan was / is overated.
the beatles were just a pop band.
elton john is a cunt.
bob dylan was / is overated.
the beatles were just a pop band.
elton john is a cunt.
I agree with the last two of those but the first one is fightin talk.
I agree with the last two of those but the first one is fightin talk.
:worried:
Yeah....you better look scared!
the pope is a nazi
john wayne was a nazi
charlton heston is a nazi
Are those unpopular opinions? I thought that was just common knowledge.
The americans are the good guys.
There are no good guys. Geo-politics is a tad more complex than 'good guys' and 'bad guys'.
Are those unpopular opinions? I thought that was just common knowledge.
i guess some would beg to differ.
the beatles were just a pop band......Phil
Right. And Mozart was just a one hit wonder, Aristotle a talking head, and Seurat painted billboards.
- Television today is better than it's ever been, you just have to know what to watch.
the beatles were just a pop band......Phil
Right. And Mozart was just a one hit wonder, Aristotle a talking head, and Seurat painted billboards.
This is the unpopular opinions you hold thread.
I like some of the Beatles stuff, but they were definitely a POPULAR band.
Who was Seurat?
Here will be a fun one for you guys.
We will never prove or disprove the 9/11 conspiracy.
Who was Seurat?
An artist who created paintings by using points instead of brush strokes. Not sure if he was the first, but the style is called pointalism.
Not a big fan of it but I also think Klimt(sp.?) was crap too.
I quite like Klimt. I didn't know Seurat invented pointillism.
An artist who created paintings by using points instead of bruch strokes. Not sure if he was the first, but the style is called pointalism.
Not a big fan of it but I also think Klimt(sp.?) was crap too.
ah yes! the early pixellators. :D
thanks for that.
Equating nudity with sex automatically makes you a sexual deviant.
ooo rkzenrage, I love it when you talk dirty!
I know it baby!
(I never said I didn't fit the description)
Organic farming is worse for the environment than is "traditional" modern farming
Organic farming is worse for the environment than is "traditional" modern farming
horse shit! :p
horse shit! :p
In the US, I think it's mostly cow shit. :turd:
In the US, I think it's mostly cow shit. :turd:
theres a place called the Centre for Alternative Technology in North Wales where they use human shit as a fertiliser.
Phil, you're right about that. Here's a picture from the Centre for Alternative Technology site:
Here will be a fun one for you guys.
We will never prove or disprove the 9/11 conspiracy.
What conspiracy is that? That Bush was behind it all? What about the Clinton administration?
Less than 8 months is a stretch for Bush and the Republicans to know, plan and follow through with the whole thing.
Lets ask Clinton about what he knew! Hmmm 8 years? That seems like a long time...Original attack 1993 just as Clinton was coming into office! Maybe he tried to finish off what he started!
theres a place called the Centre for Alternative Technology in North Wales where they use human shit as a fertiliser.
I worked at a plant for a time, my family owned it, that processed it...
no fun.
Sounds like a shit job.....
Enterprise was a good show and should have never been canceled.
That aint unpopular ....that's just a fact:P
That aint unpopular ....that's just a fact:P
It is among some star trek fans. I really liked that show. :)
I liked it. I liked all of the star trek series. DS9 was the best though.
I liked them all too but I think enterprise was my favorite.
This one is going to open a can of worms, I'll bet:
The Republican and Democrat parties are on the same side...they just make it appear that they aren't.
*duck*
What conspiracy is that? That Bush was behind it all? What about the Clinton administration?
Less than 8 months is a stretch for Bush and the Republicans to know, plan and follow through with the whole thing.
Lets ask Clinton about what he knew! Hmmm 8 years? That seems like a long time...Original attack 1993 just as Clinton was coming into office! Maybe he tried to finish off what he started!
I'm not a conspiracist but usually it coincides with NWO (New World Order) and Bush is just a tool. So technically they have been planning 9/11 for a long time behind the scenes. Either way you can't prove or disprove it.
This one is going to open a can of worms, I'll bet:
The Republican and Democrat parties are on the same side...they just make it appear that they aren't.
*duck*
I thought everyone knew that.
Equating nudity with sex automatically makes you a sexual deviant.
Ok, but why do I get a woody when I see nekkid ladies?
Ok, this does make me unpopular with lots of people, I hate star trek. I'm saying no more
-"stairway to heaven" is wayyy bad
-cats are better than dogs
-jude law is a crappy actor
Ok, but why do I get a woody when I see nekkid ladies?
Cauz' you iz a pre-vert. Duh!
Tissy... oh, you WILL kneel at the alter of Roddenberry!:mad:
Tissy... oh, you WILL kneel at the alter of Roddenberry!:mad:
Getting a little "Wrath Of Kahn", are we?
Um... [SIZE="2"]maybe[/SIZE]. :redface:
Some more potentially unpopular opinions:
The American political system is rife with corruption and desperately needs major reform. (examples: Florida ballots, secret lobbying, getting laws passed in exchange for generous "campaign contributions", allowing political parties to set electoral boundaries, etc.)
The USA would be better off with a politically independent national electoral agency that had the power to regulate everything to do with elections such as electoral boundaries, voter registration, and the way voting is performed.
The electoral college is flawed as well. I cannot understand the point of a system that denies a large minority of voters in each state a say in who becomes president. If a state elects seven members, and 55% of voters vote one way and 45% vote another, then the majority should have 4 votes and the minority 3. Or, better still, just have the President decided by first-past-the-post like they do in many other countries. This isn't the 1770's, when messages took days to cross the USA. The founding fathers of the USA could not imagine the technology we have today, such as computers that can easily tabulate 250 million votes and communication networks that can transmit the electoral will of millions across the USA at the blink of an eye. So why not modernize the electoral process?
Stop the War on Drugs (and all the people who die in that ridiculous and never-ending battle) legalize 'em and Regulate and Tax 'em out of existence.
Smoking everywhere, just like when I was a kid.
Everyone should be allowed to smoke a big smelly cigar and have a Martini (3:1, very dirty, 7 olives, please) at their favorite bar. Or Denny's.
Golf should be a legally protected reason to take 6 weeks off. Just like pregnancy.
Martinis are made with gin and vermouth.
...the way I like 'em:
3 shots gin
1 shot dry vermouth
olive brine
7 olives.
OK, call it a Martini Salad, if you will.
Martini. It's what's for dinner.
That is an unpopular opinion. Popular opinion says martinis are made with vodka and some other flavoring such as apple. I don't understand how this can be.
easy. people don't like martinis. they like looking cool with that funky glass in their hand.
I like them with both. Either will get you pissed.
easy. people don't like martinis. they like looking cool with that funky glass in their hand.
Speaking for myself, there is little on earth as wonderful as a fresh ice cold martini, glistening in a cocktail glass...it's the first sip that is marvelous: the piney smell of the gin, the salty tast of the olive brine, and the ahhhhhh fine relaxing feeling of the alcohol hitting the bloodstream...it is one of life's pleasures... If you don't like a martini, perhaps you need to give it a few more chances...
star wars is a series of childrens' films.
tow words that never seem to go together - SPORTS PERSONALITY.
emo's are just misunderstood.
not too keen on martinis, now gin, thats another matter
G&T anyone?
By the way, whats the altar of Roddenberry??
not too keen on martinis, now gin, thats another matter
G&T anyone?
Martinis are
only gin. People who call anything else a martini are... well, let's say they are "mistaken".
Why aren't they ordered: "I'll have a glass of gin, please."?
Not what I meant... martinis are gin drinks. There are no vodka martinis or damn apple liqueur martinis.
4 oz gin
1 drop of dry vermouth
2 olives.
What you described is a dirty martini with waaaaaaaaay too much vermouth and too many olives.
You don't see a lot of people having gimlets anymore
...the way I like 'em:
3 shots gin
1 shot dry vermouth
olive brine
7 olives.
OK, call it a Martini Salad, if you will.
Martini. It's what's for dinner.
The best martini is made by pouring the contents of one bottle of Jose Cuervo Tradicional into a shot glass. Repeat as necessary.
freak olympics for the steroid users. that would entertainment, and new records would set :
man with biggest tits.
man with smallest willy.
woman with biggest clitoris.
woman with most facial hair.
woman with deepest voice.
then all the sports records.
TV at its best!
By the way, whats the altar of Roddenberry??
Gene Roddenberry was the creator of star trek. :)
And yea he did walk upon the earth and did direct our eyes unto the stars :P
And he had a wonderful vision of the future full of peace and no poverty for humankind. But somehow we went to war with klingons and the dominion. :(
Yeah.....bloody war mongering federation types.
The federation shouldn't have elected george bush the XXI :p
To take this thread off course for a moment. What do you think would happen if we as a people found a way to travel to the stars? What would we do if we meet a civilization that is less advanced? Would we exploit and destroy or study and learn?
I'm guessing exploit and inadvertantly destroy by trying to transpose our values upon them. Good question.
Then we should stay home. I asked that question based on the model of european exploration and colonization. The effect on native populations was devastating.
yes it was. The Scramble for Africa was a very shameful period in European history. In the Congo, Leopold's regime committed crimes of epic proportion ( as did many other nations including my own). Women were taken hostage in incredible numbers to force their men to work harvesting rubber. The men were chained, and flogged and generally treated like slaves. If they didn't hit their targets, the inhabitants of whole villages were dragged out and had their right hands chopped off. It was so prevalent that in Belgian museums, statues of black people often had a hand missing. Hundreds of thousands of people lost their hands. men, women and children.
Leopold even had a fake village made in belgium within a zoolike enclosure and transported some congalese to live in it. Visitors used to come and watch the congalese in their 'natural habitat' There was a keeper and signs telling visitors not to throw peanuts at the exhibits.
because the men of the villages were busy harvesting rubber and the women were being held prisoner, nobody was able to fulfil the usual tasks of tending crops and animals, so there was huge famine. Tens of millions of congalese died across a period of about 25 years because of these policies.
It's an unfortunately common story for the European Scramble for Africa. The forgotten genocides. The germans' first concentration camps were in Africa. They decapitated their victims and used their heads to try and prove racial suprmemacy. Many heads ended up in european museums or in private collections.
We quite rightly remember the Holocaust. With good reason we say 'Never Forget'. But at the same time we seem to have the attitude of 'never remember' when it comes to the millions upon millions of africans who died at european hands during that dreadful era. Not so long ago. Congolese men were still harvesting rubber and being flogged or having their hands cut off in the early part of the 20th century. German scientists were perfecting their theories of racial hierarchy using african subjects a little over twenty years before Auschwitz was liberated. Incidentally, one of the 'scientists' who worked in the field over there, set up an institute (can't recall the name now) dedicated to investigating eugenics. The institute was partially funded by American money.
Perhaps we remember the Holocaust because it was something white europeans did to other white europeans. But the crimes against humanity in Africa were committed by White Europeans against non white Europeans.
The American writer Adam Hochschild, in his book about Leopold, refers to it as the Great Forgetting
Then we all pulled out in with varying degrees of incompetance across a fairly long period and left the continent to sort out its own problems. Whilst moralising about how corrupt they are and how they have shouldn't have so many children if they can't feed em :P
There ya go. There's an unpopular opinion.
Martinis are only gin. People who call anything else a martini are... well, let's say they are "mistaken".
...rkzenrage...you take your martini your way, I'll take my martini...with some vermouth, and olives. And by the way,
stirred, not shaken.
What about the native american populations that have died? Both in north and south? The spanish wiped out entire cvilizations in the americas. The english, dutch, french and later the mexicans and americans continued this.
Absolutely. Yet another genocide we do not strongly seek to remember.
The point in me bringing this up is will we as a species do these things on other worlds?
...rkzenrage...you take your martini your way, I'll take my martini...with some vermouth, and olives. And by the way, stirred, not shaken.
Shaking them "bruises" the vermouth.
Though, I used to have a method where I would spritz the cold glass with vermouth and place it back in the freezer.
I would make an ice slick of vermouth that would slowly melt into the gin and olives/juice.
Then you could shake-spin the crap out of the gin and get it so cold ice crystals would form. In Sapphire, this, with the ice sheet on the glass, this was a beautiful drink.
I also made one with homemade cranberry liqueur (made from only gin, sugar, cranberries,
time and much straining). Blood-red and very tasty.
Edit: and I only use, cold, Spanish giant queen olives or Texas Pete's hot pickled okra (to DIE for).
Bruising means you don't get the separation of flavors, the gin and vermouth separate on the palate. Bruised, the drink is cloudy, not only in color but in flavor as well... I would not drink a bruised martini unless it was the only thing to drink. It tasted like strange water.
The only time I have ever place the gin and vermouth in the same container before the glass was mixing in a pitcher and placing in a freezer or fridge. Usually I had a spritzer, like what hair dressers use on your hair, filled with vermouth and some juice of olive or Pete's hot okra juice to spray in my glass before placing it in a freezer.
There is a double standard on accusations of double standards in America.
Gene Roddenberry was the creator of star trek. :)
Thankyou. At least when i say i don't like star trek i can say i know who created it, you have lessened my ignorance
I'm not a martini aficionado, but it reminds me of another unpopular opinion of mine. Bottled water tastes like crap. Every time I taste it, I wonder why is everyone drinking this? It tastes like plastic.
Don Imus was fired for the ugly true things he said about Clinton and Bush not the ugly false things he said about the Rutgers' women.
If human beings ever come across another humanlike species they think they can dominate they'll do it.
Man has learned nothing.
There is only one race.
rkzenrage, way back in post #95, I said:
+ Race is an artificial construct. The apparent distinctions between races are due to genetic isolation and large scale inbreeding of a limited population. The factors used to draw distinctions between races are artificial.
You've said the same thing, only much more efficiently.
Yeah. He kind of has that whole efficiency thing down to a tee:P
OK, I'm with you on the Spanish Olives, and I'll try the vermouth ice slick with the spritzer trick...and I'd like to try the hot pickled okra, but I don't think it's available here in W Pa...at least I have not seen it. I have tried jalapeños, and that's a nice variation.
Not what I meant... martinis are gin drinks. There are no vodka martinis or damn apple liqueur martinis.
Just saw this...and completely agree...the only martinis are GIN martinis...vodka is just so...bland...and apple? Chocotinis? Why not drop in a scoop of ice cream? Dear god that sounds more like desert than a cocktail. Besides, I just don't think apples and olives can coexist in the same glass, ditto chocolate and olives.
easy. people don't like martinis. they like looking cool with that funky glass in their hand.
Speaking for myself, there is little on earth as wonderful as a fresh ice cold martini, glistening in a cocktail glass...it's the first sip that is marvelous: the piney smell of the gin, the salty tast of the olive brine, and the ahhhhhh fine relaxing feeling of the alcohol hitting the bloodstream...it is one of life's pleasures... If you don't like a martini, perhaps you need to give it a few more chances...
yeah. you like a martini. you're not 'people'
i think it's the fault of the bars and bartenders for giving a drink that is made of different ingredients the same name because it comes in the same kind of glass.
if it is made of apple liquor, vodka and vermouth....and it comes in a tumbler, what do you call it? apple martinis are only called that because of the glass.
atleast we stop the communie bastards
There is only one race.
All people are basically the same inside. To prove this requires nothing more than a potato peeler.
And he had a wonderful vision of the future full of peace and no poverty for humankind. But somehow we went to war with klingons and the dominion. :(
More proof that Gene is Dead.
Don Imus' current allotment of 15 minutes has *nothing* to do with Free Speech or inhibitions of Free Speech.
Don Imus' current allotment of 15 minutes has *nothing* to do with Free Speech or inhibitions of Free Speech.
Agreed.
Almost any use of the label "Political Correctness" is just another attempt to get away with bad manners by ridiculing politeness and consideration.
Everyone is at least a little bit racist and sexist.
Our culture ought to be in the process of reassuring men that they don't have to act like they stepped out of a beer commercial.
English spelling is in need of simplification.
Anyone who argues that we must preserve existing spellings in English so we can see the history of words is talking bunk because they cannot explain why basic spelling history is never taught in the classroom.
Everyone should eat meat no more than five times a week. The resources used to make the protein for one meat meal can also be used to make the protein for twelve vegetarian meals.
Not enough is being done to promote vegetarian cuisine.
Maggots, leeches and intestinal worms will play a bigger role in medicine in the future.
Steam power is a viable propulsion technology for vehicles. Governments don't like steam-powered vehicles because steam power is not particular about its energy source and therefore steam-powered vehicles can run on any combustible material that is put in the tank. This makes it harder to tax them.
Anyone who argues that we must preserve existing spellings in English so we can see the history of words is talking bunk because they cannot explain why basic spelling history is never taught in the classroom.
yes it is.
Everyone should eat meat no more than five times a week. The resources used to make the protein for one meat meal can also be used to make the protein for twelve vegetarian meals.
Who's going to eat 12 vego meals just to get the same benefit they get from 1 meat meal?
Guns should be banned in america.
Guns should be banned in america.
you beat me to it. yet another school shooting. it's tragic and unnecessary.
"Banning" guns would stop this how?
No, no... nope... gotta' remove ALL freedom! Really get safe!
Democracy is not the only option.
Democracy is a terrible option. No true American wants democracy.
..... for themselves....
it is, however, a nice rallying call when it comes to depose the odd dictactor or two...
Who's going to eat 12 vego meals just to get the same benefit they get from 1 meat meal?
right on sista, :love:
Democracy is a terrible option. No true American wants democracy.
Hear, hear!
arguing is useless
BS !!!!, it is what makes the Cellar the Cellar !!!!!
Folks 'round here will argue about most ANY THING !!!
arguing is useless
Nah it isn't useless, it just leads to getting called names and insulted when you disagree with somebody or have an unpopular opinion.
peanut butter is made from peanuts
I think 99% of people should die a horrible, horrible death. I am part of the 1% who doesn't die.
I think 99% of people should die a horrible, horrible death. I am part of the 1% who doesn't die.
You're completely insane and probably should have been locked up a long time ago. I LIKE that in a poster. ;)
Everyone around here seems to like me =)
Everyone around here seems to like me =)
I dunno, go read my last post in the "Commonly Mispronounced" thread. If you were within arms reach about 5 minutes ago I would have knocked some of your teeth out.
Okay, fine, everyone save one.
Okay, fine, everyone save one.
Well, one of the past mes anyway. My homicidal rages are short.
You have at least a passing interest in Linux, so I'll forgive you basically anything.
Lol, no hard feelings, then?
No hard feelings. Though if you say something against Slackware I might have to punch you. Twice. In the cock.
:boxers:
Everyone around here seems to like me =)
Everyone seems to love me around here. I like it.
LOL...who are you, Sally Field? :D
I have nothing againsn Slackware, and I actually want to try it out, if you think it'll work better with my nVidia cards.
...
And no, I'm not Sally Field. You wish I was that cool.
Well all this brings me back to something someone said many years ago. I paraphrase, they said, I could decide to not like Griff for his political views, but he built his own house, and that's really cool.
We are all smart people, broad people with many things we do and think about. Instead of hating each other for some unpopular opinions, we can move on, and learn to hate each other for REAL reasons.
I should be hateful because I can't start threads yet.
I know, someone needs to fix it. I read somewhere it was supposed to be an anti spam-bot thing, but spam bots are easy to spot with their promises of "Free Pics", and a spelling level that even an AOHELL luser can surpass. I'm so inconvenienced.
It's easy to spot all the dog turds in the park too, but that doesn't make them easy or pleasant to clean up.
anti - bacterial wipes will be the death of us all.
........them or the Daleks right?
Everyone should eat meat no more than five times a week. The resources used to make the protein for one meat meal can also be used to make the protein for twelve vegetarian meals.
Who's going to eat 12 vego meals just to get the same benefit they get from 1 meat meal?
Not true. A given amount of land can provide complete vegetable protein for 12 people or meat protein for one person. The protein content in each meal is the same, but the vegetarian protein option supports more people.
Most of the energy in food goes to maintaining the metabolism of the animal that eats it and is dissipated as heat. Only a small proportion of the food goes to make the body of the animal so it can in turn be eaten by another. The millions of wildebeest in the Serengeti do not support a population of millions of lions and hyenas for exactly this reason. In any balanced ecosystem, the prey outnumber the predators.
Companies that make websites that can only run in Internet Explorer will eventually learn that telling 15% of their potential customers to "f*** off" will find their sales reduced proportionately.
I think someone just read the same /. thread I did.
I am not insane.
Now-now, don't be modest.
We never have a right not to be offended.
(Europe has become fascist to "fight" fascism. They are too weak to be free.)
Not true. A given amount of land can provide complete vegetable protein for 12 people or meat protein for one person. The protein content in each meal is the same, but the vegetarian protein option supports more people.
Most of the energy in food goes to maintaining the metabolism of the animal that eats it and is dissipated as heat. Only a small proportion of the food goes to make the body of the animal so it can in turn be eaten by another. The millions of wildebeest in the Serengeti do not support a population of millions of lions and hyenas for exactly this reason. In any balanced ecosystem, the prey outnumber the predators.
Thanks for the info Kings. I was joking with my previous comment though. I mean seriously, who's going to eat 12 vego meals full stop really? ;)
I mean seriously, who's going to eat 12 vego meals full stop really? ;)
If they consist entirely of chocolate cake. Me, for one.
ok ok...but it has to be vego chocolate cake. no animal products like dairy. Cows need grass to eat which would infringe on the area required to grow wheat for your chocolate cake.
Is vego Australian for veggie (ie an abbreviation of vegetarian)?
If so, me! I love vegetarian food and when cooking for myself I rarely have meat.
Then again if vego is a specific ingredient (like Quorn) I might find myself backing down.
No animal products at all?
It'd have to be that "Just add water" cakemix, then.
ok ok...but it has to be vego chocolate cake. no animal products like dairy. Cows need grass to eat which would infringe on the area required to grow wheat for your chocolate cake.
That's vegan. I thought vego = vegetarian?
No true American wants democracy.
Which is fine, because no true American lives in one. :)
Some brands of vegetarians eat eggs, too. I think they're called lacto-ovo vegetarians, or something like that.
We must think of the animals.
If everyone stopped eating meat, drinking milk, etc. then farmers and ranchers would have no reason, obviously, for raising cows, chickens and other animals. Currently, every year millions of these animals are bred and raised through out the world, but in the vegetarian model they would have no purpose. It's sad to think about the lost opportunity.:bawling::cry:
So, eat meat. Give those cows and chickens a chance at a short happy life.
Some brands of vegetarians eat eggs, too. I think they're called lacto-ovo vegetarians, or something like that.
Eggs are fine on a "standard" vegetarian diet because they are unfertilized so no animal dies/you are not eating an animal.
It's Vegans who don't eat any animal products at all regardless of whether the animal dies or not.
And fruitarians only eat produce that is "freely given". Fruit is designed to be eaten to aid propagation of the plant, wheat -for example- is not.
So, eat meat. Give those cows and chickens a chance at a short happy life.
Raise your hands, raise your voice, give the chickens another choice.We must think of the animals.
If everyone stopped eating meat, drinking milk, etc. then farmers and ranchers would have no reason, obviously, for raising cows, chickens and other animals. Currently, every year millions of these animals are bred and raised through out the world, but in the vegetarian model they would have no purpose. It's sad to think about the lost opportunity.:bawling::cry:
So, eat meat. Give those cows and chickens a chance at a short happy life.
If God didn't intend for us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of MEAT!!! ;)
Some brands of vegetarians eat eggs, too. I think they're called lacto-ovo vegetarians, or something like that.
Yes, because I am a bovio-lovo vegetarian, myself. :rolleyes:
Which is fine, because no true American lives in one. :)
And never should.
........them or the Daleks right?
Daleks cant climb stairs so theyre easy to escape from.
I thought they learned to levitate or something
Here's an unpopular opinion of mine:
The Incredible Hulk was way scarier than the Daleks.
Sleestaks were the scariest creatures of all. :eek:
I thought they learned to levitate or something
ah yes, i was referring to the original daleks. the new ones dont count. :)
The Daleks learned to levitate back in the Tom Baker years, IIRC. But they only did it once.
The Daleks learned to levitate back in the Tom Baker years, IIRC. But they only did it once.
yep. thats when i stopped watching.
How could you stop watching Tom Baker? Now there's an unpopular opinion!
I think someone just read the same /. thread I did.
I am not insane.
Guilty as charged. :D
FOR EVERY ANIMAL YOU DONT EAT
I'M GOING TO EAT THREE!
except not cause i am actually a veggie.
+ Cannibalism could solve many of the world's problems, including:[INDENT]food shortages,
over-population,
global warming,
traffic congestion,
crime,
unemployment, and
vegetarianism.
[/INDENT]Of course, no one would eat clowns, because they taste funny.
FOR EVERY ANIMAL YOU DONT EAT
I'M GOING TO EAT THREE!
You shamelessly swiped that from Maddox. He'll kick your ass.
Monster, I'm aware that some vegetarians eat dairy products, however my argument was in respect to the comment about vegetarian diets taking up less space. If a vegetarian is eating dairy, then they're responsible for cows too.
Monster, I'm aware that some vegetarians eat dairy products, however my argument was in respect to the comment about vegetarian diets taking up less space. If a vegetarian is eating dairy, then they're responsible for cows too.
no argument from me, just wasn't sure about the Aussie abbreviations. :)
we have incisor and molar teeth - we are supposed to eat meat.
How could you stop watching Tom Baker? Now there's an unpopular opinion!
Damn straight. Baker is a God.
Unpopular opinion: the same ideology that allows someone the freedom to practice Christianity allows people to marry someone of the same gender, if they choose to.
Unpopular opinion:
I hate Metallica. They, in fact, suck. (Hey, I told you it wouldn't be popular.):bolt:
Unpopular opinion:
I hate Metallica. They, in fact, suck. (Hey, I told you it wouldn't be popular.):bolt:
i agree.
Purchased the Black Album when I was in college. It did, indeed, suck.
I hate soulless music.
[/INDENT]Of course, no one would eat clowns, because they taste funny.
That is funny as hell. I will have to remember that one. Thanks for the laugh.
That is funny as hell. I will have to remember that one. Thanks for the laugh.
I should have credited that to George Carlin (I think).
There is only one race, the human race. Some of us lived in different climates long enough to evolve more melanin or less to keep out the sun or less to absorb more vitamin D because of less sun. More muscle mass and less fat due to more work out in the elements or more fat due to more cold due to long winter months inside. Wider noses with more capillaries or thinner noses to cool us or keep us warmer… but all are just the human race and just superficial surface alterations and all are adaptations that helped our large brains keep us on top of the game of over-coming our environment and there has never been a study that has shown one group from any environment is less mentally adaptive than another. No one group has any right or logical reason to feel proud of their physical traits.
Feel connected and proud of your ancestor’s and social background’s achievements, fine. But, they were also murder’s and barbarians and someone else beat them at their own game somewhere along the line and everyone else has just as much right to feel the same way as you do, so why get too puffed up about it all? Unless, you are happy for us all and equally chagrined as well… to me that makes the most sense, after all, we are just one race and all brothers and sisters, truly. Science has proved it. One mother.
Get rid of our superstitions and the myth of race and we take some huge strides toward really getting rid of some damaging wastes of time!
The special edition Star Wars movies are much better than the original versions.
There is only one race, the human race. ...
Maybe unpopular, definitely
wrong.
Homo sa·pi·ens (sā'pē-ənz, -ĕnz') pronunciation
n.
The modern species of humans, the only extant species of the primate family Hominidae.
Unpopular opinions.
The American movie "Fight Club" actually isn't that good of a movie.
Rap music is definitely music and an expression of art. Have you produced a rap song, listened and with unbias interpretted the lyrics, looked at the musical qualities, or just brushed it aside before learning what hip hop is about? Didn't think so :D
Penis size favoring a race is bullshit.
40 years old is SOOOOO OLD.
The whole world should resemble Los Angeles, New York and Toronto. Diversity is the key to the future and success for civilization as we know it.
Vegetarianism is not only stupid, and ridiculous it is the worst health choice one could ever implement in their lifestyles.
No one is unique. If you think you are above doing something wrong or think you can avoid something or think you are better than something or think you're the shit then you are so fucking wrong. You are just like everyone else, the easier you learn to accept it the better you will be able to deal with the failures, betrayals and complexities of life.
Rap music promotes violence and ketchup on hot dogs is evil.
TheMercenary has dubious parenting skills. Ummm...hang on, that's a popular opinion.
Wrong thread.
GOSH SORRY i have more:
Women comedians aren't really funny. Even the Queens of Comedy...sorry.
English should just be the universal language for business, commerce and trade.
Some sexist jokes about women are completely hilarious. Sorry again, ladies, I love you all but the jokes are just great.
American football should have already conquered the whole planet. Shoulda.
The older one gets the more arrogant they become ("well I'm more experienced so my point is more valid I'm right you're wrong blah blah").
EQ > IQ (emotional quotient over intellectual quotient--translated--people skills over book smarts)
Country music can't make songs without including God and drinking
Americans are not at all what other countries assume we are. Sure we don't know who your country's president is, but don't tell go lumping us in with Dubya.
Homosexuality is not a societal wrong, but biologically a flaw.
Filesharing is the greatest thing the Internet has spawned, besides world news access.
Confederate flags should be banned in the US, just like the Hail Hitler arm wave is in Germany. Get over it, the south lost, your heritage was wrong, time to move on.
Gym class should be mandatory for grades K-12 in the US to keep our youth from becoming fatasses (it worked in my state of IL).
Political leaders don't actually care for the people.
Ducky doesn't like anything I say. Wait, that's not unpopular nor opinion. That's stone cold fact.
Here's one for you.
Most young people are going to look back on the opinions they have as a youth and wonder what the hell they were thinking.
Touche. But is that really an unpopular opinion?
It is with young people. ;)
You must be near 40. Sorry, but my considering my unpopular opinion, you are OLD! Go ahead and make fun of my youth har har, but my metabolism is working :D
I've got a way to go before I hit 40, and my metabolism works too. :) Lucky that really.
Here's one for fun:
You know, they say older women like me, actually. Aliantha, when do you get off work, babe? (no sexual harassment intended!)
I like this..
GOSH SORRY i have more:
English should just be the universal language for business, commerce and trade.
this
Country music can't make songs without including God and drinking
this to a point.
Filesharing is the greatest thing the Internet has spawned, besides world news access.
this
Confederate flags should be banned in the US, just like the Hail Hitler arm wave is in Germany. Get over it, the south lost, your heritage was wrong, time to move on.
this
Gym class should be mandatory for grades K-12 in the US to keep our youth from becoming fatasses (it worked in my state of IL).
this
Political leaders don't actually care for the people.
most of the time! ;)
Ducky doesn't like anything I say. Wait, that's not unpopular nor opinion. That's stone cold fact.
What about my other unpop opinions?
And are you hitting on me?
What about my other unpop opinions?
And are you hitting on me?
Who cares? and no. :cool:
And are you hitting on me?
arrogant I see :D
arrogant I see :D
No, I'm just known to have that affect on women. :sweat:
No, I'm just known to have that affect on women. :sweat:
ha! arrogant, over confident american you are!
typical
Not all American men can be like me ya know.
Seriously. I'm a pimp. :p
Springtime in the Cellar is the when and where in which four syllables and two words can fall in love. :joylove:
Not all American men can be like me ya know.
Seriously. I'm a pimp. :p
Is this you?
:whofart:
Springtime in the Cellar is the when and where in which four syllables and two words can fall in love. :joylove:
I actually don't understand this, like seriously, I can't think of two words that makes four syllables and has to do with love.
But anyway, this is a closer representation of me duck.
Tony Ja from Ongbak. Oh yeayah. You know he gets the women.
But anyway, this is a closer representation of me duck.
Tony Ja from Ongbak. Oh yeayah. You know he gets the women.
Not from being violent he doesn't. I suspect it his good looks and shiny muscles. :)
Not from being violent he doesn't. I suspect it his good looks and shiny muscles. :)
Actually, I generally kick ass.
[SIZE="1"]No pun intended.[/SIZE]
You watch too much kung fu
Okkkkkkkkkk, Tony Ja is from Thailand and considered the BEST martial arts actor ever. He does muy thai, which is generally considered the hardest and most efficient fighting technique.
And it's not kung fu duck, authentically it's wushu, you should know. And I don't watch it. I just perform it on my victims!
Why should I know? I do not take any martial arts lessons nor do people in hong kong run around doing martial arts and saying the style. Just because I am chinese does not make me a kung fu, tai kwan do, karate expert.
@freshnesschronic:
freshnesschronic = 4 syllables,
duck_duck = 2 words,
and I just happened upon your courtship in this thread. :lovers:
:corn:
Maybe unpopular, definitely wrong.
How can you say
definitely wrong, when it's something that has been debated by scientists for many years?
According to Wikipedia:
Since the 1940s, some evolutionary scientists have rejected the view of race according to which any number of finite lists of essential characteristics could be used to determine a like number of races. For example, the convention of categorizing the human population based on human skin colors has been used, but hair colors, eye colors, nose sizes, lip sizes, and heights have not. The general opinion among the vast majority of scientists is to reject the notion that common race definitions, or any race definitions pertaining to humans, have any taxonomic rigour and validity.[3] Mainstream scientists have thus argued that race definitions are imprecise, arbitrary, derived from custom, have many exceptions, have many gradations, and that the numbers of races observed vary according to the culture examined. They further maintain that "race" as such is best understood as a social construct, and they prefer to conceptualize and analyze human genotypic and phenotypic variation in terms of populations and clines instead.
Unpopular opinions.
Penis size favoring a race is bullshit.
The little guys always say that.
Vegetarianism is not only stupid, and ridiculous it is the worst health choice one could ever implement in their lifestyles.
I'm a complete carnivore, but my grandmother was a vegetarian starting in about 1930. She lived to be 97.
Fresh and Duck will get married in two years.
rkzenrage just a damn good job at explaining evolution
Vegetarianism can be good or bad depending on what you eat.
The world is not black and white. Duh.
Carlos Mencia is an idiot and should be beaten.
Reno 911 isn't funny anymore.
I should start on my homework.
You all want to give me your money.
Just because you can think of something to post doesn't necessarily mean it's worth reading.
There seems to be a lot of background noise in the Cellar recently.
Okkkkkkkkkk, Tony Ja is from Thailand and considered the BEST martial arts actor ever. He does muy thai, which is generally considered the hardest and most efficient fighting technique.
And it's not kung fu duck, authentically it's wushu, you should know. And I don't watch it. I just perform it on my victims!
Actually most experts agree that the most lethal and efficient of the martial arts is Krav Maga.
On the world stage americans are the good guys, but domestically they are clinically insane.
I know it doesn't make sense. :neutral:
George Soros is a radical anti-American scumbag who wants to control the world. He is buying off political pundits left and right.
He controls the following organizations:
Open Society Inst.
Tides Foundation
Democratic Alliance
MoveOn.org
Center for American Progress
all ultimately funding Media Matters.
Thanks, Mr. O'Reilly.
Homosexuality is not a societal wrong, but biologically a flaw.
What do you base this on?
There is a lot of study that shows that it is a pressure valve for social systems and population, and an effective one. When populations become dense homosexuality becomes more prominent in animal/human (same thing) populations.
Don't give me the whole "reproduction" line... we need homes for orphaned kids, many marriages are intentionally childless, and many other forms of unconventional marriages that don't end-up with children.
Biological flaw?
Funny.
Nature clearly shows this is inaccurate.
The older one gets the more arrogant they become ("well I'm more experienced so my point is more valid I'm right you're wrong blah blah").
:D I particularly liked this one.
What do you base this on?
There is a lot of study that shows that it is a pressure valve for social systems and population, and an effective one. When populations become dense homosexuality becomes more prominent in animal/human (same thing) populations.
Don't give me the whole "reproduction" line... we need homes for orphaned kids, many marriages are intentionally childless, and many other forms of unconventional marriages that don't end-up with children.
Biological flaw?
Funny.
Nature clearly shows this is inaccurate.
Chill rk. it was my opinion! :headshake
Thanks, Mr. O'Reilly.
Facts is facts. :D
Chill rk. it was my opinion! :headshake
Chill? No reason to, I was not heated.
I understand it was your opinion, what is it based upon, as I asked?
Facts is facts. :D
And lies is lies. Like
O'Reilly's obsession with Media Matters.
Thin crust pizza is better than the deep dish pizzas.
Chill? No reason to, I was not heated.
I understand it was your opinion, what is it based upon, as I asked?
I see...:eyebrow:
Thin crust pizza is better than the deep dish pizzas.
...
actually, Duck, I happen to agree...so your pizza opinion is popular with me!
No one is unique. If you think you are above doing something wrong or think you can avoid something or think you are better than something or think you're the shit then you are so fucking wrong. You are just like everyone else, the easier you learn to accept it the better you will be able to deal with the failures, betrayals and complexities of life.
I thought you said you didn't like Fight Club?
Thin crust pizza is better than the deep dish pizzas.
This might count as a popular opinion (except in Chicago).
No, I'm just known to have that affect on women. :sweat:
Effect, dear.
(I happen to think that good grammar and appropriate word usage are both necessary for effective communication.)
This might count as a popular opinion (except in Chicago).
I'm surprised because most people I know like the thick crusts better.
I prefer thick crusts... but I hate pizza in general, so "prefer" is only relative.
I prefer thick crusts... but I hate pizza in general, so "prefer" is only relative.
:eek: :eek: nooooooo
I prefer thick crusts... but I hate pizza in general, so "prefer" is only relative.
Thin is better. Thick = to much bread.
I'm not the biggest fan of a really thick crust, but I can't take those really thin and crispy ones.
I thought you said you didn't like Fight Club?
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
the great paradox!
And to all you thin crust pizza lovers....
Stay outta Chicaaaago, ya heardddd?
Effect, dear.
(I happen to think that good grammar and appropriate word usage are both necessary for effective communication.)
who made you teacher?
So we go through 500 "Unpopular opinions" posts, and thin vs thick crust pizza starts a debate?
So we go through 500 "Unpopular opinions" posts, and thin vs thick crust pizza starts a debate?
That and ice cream.:)
The Cellar seems to have more than it's maximum recommended quota of attention whores/ argumentative teens and isn't currently a great place to be.
And yes, it does mean I'm thinking of taking a break rather than hanging around moaning.
The new tagline is dedicated to you, SG; how's the Cellar personality gonna be better if you leave?
I say, if you don't like the place, make it into what you do like. It's really easy to do, just speak often with the voice you prefer.
SG; how's the Cellar personality gonna be better if you leave?
Exactly! SG you need to post
more, not less. And Brianna god damn you, stop running off just becuase Dana is annoying - it's not fair to the rest of us.
So we go through 500 "Unpopular opinions" posts, and thin vs thick crust pizza starts a debate?
As it says in the title, what opinions do you have that most people seem to disagree with? I'd prefer not to get into actual arguments about them on this thread though, as that could lead to a lot of different arguments going on at once. (Assuming that this thread takes off.) If you want to debate a point made in depth, I think it would be better to start a new thread on it. Anyway:
from the OP. Perhaps it is appropriate that after 500 posts we refresh our memory of that long lost starting request... Or not.
from the OP. Perhaps it is appropriate that after 500 posts we refresh our memory of that long lost starting request... Or not.
OP here. That wasn't a demand or anything; obviously I can't tell you what to do, I just thought that it might be a good idea to keep this thread what it is rather than just another thread about Iraq/guns/styles of pizza.
I second that. This thread is good enough as is.
Back to the original intent...
+ Aluminum is lighter than titanium. People just buy titanium camping gear because it's cool.
Titanium is much stronger than Aluminum so theoretically they can make things thinner than aluminum with the same strength and weight. Plus it doesn't corrode and has better bragging rights.
The only camping gear worth buying for it's cool factor is a party bag of ice. Camping Equipment either does the job or it doesn't -if it does it's cool regardless of what it's made of or how much it cost. Everybody and evything look silly camping. But that's cool 'cause silly is fun.
Titanium is much stronger than Aluminum so theoretically they can make things thinner than aluminum with the same strength and weight. Plus it doesn't corrode and has better bragging rights.
That's why I have titanium underwear.
+ Candy and flowers are for women who don't really like sex
Now that one's just not true!
Now that one's just not true!
What do you mean?
[COLOR=Gray]A co-worker was telling me that he bought his wife flowers and that was my response. (i.e. Candy and flowers are for women who don't really
like sex).[/COLOR]
Well I for one am a woman who likes candy, flowers AND sex. Preferably all at the same time even.
For some reason that made me think of the William Blake poem The Sick Rose, from Songs of Innocence, Songs of Experience:[INDENT] O ROSE, thou art sick!
The invisible worm,
That flies in the night,
In the howling storm,
Has found out thy bed
Of crimson joy;
And his dark secret love
Does thy life destroy.
[/INDENT]Well, maybe not. The meaning of this poem is still hotly debated, but I'm sure it backs up my earlier statement.
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The rose is a right wing proponent who has secretly been corrupted by the left and now suffers from something akin to stockholm syndrome which is slowly killing his beliefs.
What does that have to do with candy, flowers and sex?
If you can walk the store you have no business having a disabled parking permit.
+ Candy and flowers are for women who don't really like sex
No way, only give them to women who are going to give it up or you have plans in that direction, unless you are friends.
Also, we men should be wooed as well.
Yup, that's pretty unpopular.
Well I for one am a woman who likes candy, flowers AND sex. Preferably all at the same time even.
This reminds me of Seinfeld. George going for the trifecta. Having sex, while watching TV, while eating a pastrami sandwich.
There should be more disabled parking spaces and disabled badges should be given to anyone who's driving is disabled. preferably as near to both the parking lot entrance and the store entrance as possible. I don't care if I have to walk further, just keep them the hell away from me.
In fact why not put spaces for the physically disabled in the furthest corner but then provide sheltered moving walkways/people mover thingies to the store. leave the spaces near the store for the lazy asses who feel entitled to them regardless of their physical ability ,and let them fight with each other for spaces and drive into each others cars. :D
+ People with disabled parking permits on their cars should not be allowed to park in the non-handicapped spaces.
As long as we get to tow those that park in the disabled spaces without a permit.
I have a lift that exits out the side... I cannot park in regular spots, or in disabled spots when egocentric shit-heads park in the loading zones for the disabled spots.
Rosie O'Donnell has a penis.
Rosie O'Donnell has a penis.
She and Ann Coulter should get along.
She and Ann Coulter should get along.
I'll bet you Rosie's strap-on is thicker.
Originally Posted by rkzenrage
If you can walk the store you have no business having a disabled parking permit.
Ya know asshole some of us can walk, we just can't get our breath while the assholes in the Hummers and plates park. Some of us don't live in a compound.
And yes I don't always park in a spot.
Why? Because they block your excess for your fucker tax payer scooter?
Ya know asshole some of us can walk, we just can't get your breath while the assholes in the Hummers and plates park. Some of us don't live in a compound.
And yes I don't always park in a spot.
My wife has a HC parking sticker. She can walk in most days, I just hurts like hell. Hence, if she can be closer to the door better for her.
As long as we get to tow those that park in the disabled spaces without a permit.
Tow them? Dammit put them in the crusher there and then. Stack up the cubes like war trophies. :D
I still like my sheltered moving walkway idea. make the area near the store a car wars zone for those who feel they're special and have assisted entrance away from the frnezy for those who have difficulty gettinng from the car to the store.
Also let's have a family parking are where it is not necessary to cross parking lot to get to the store. Some stores have tried this, but their mistake is again to put it too near to the store. Where people "who feel entitled" get pissed off that families are getting special priveliges. Kids can walk or can be pushed in strollers. They are just not safe walking in a parking lot. So make lots next to protected walkways that lead straight into the store. or at least only cross the emergency vehicles only fire lane. they can be long walkways.
Yes, those parking for mothers spots annoyed me.
Making it easier for them to drag their evil spawn into the grocery store to scream, run around knocking things off the shelves, push extra carts into people and block aisles. No, make 'em park far, far away so they'll leave the fuckers home. Or chain 'em to a light standard in the parking lot.
Fortunately they didn't last long.
Somewhere to chain them to would be brilliant! Bring it on. Definitely needs to be far side of the parking lot, though -mine have big lungs.....
I'll bet you Rosie's strap-on is thicker.
Ann was born with her's.
Ya know asshole some of us can walk, we just can't get our breath while the assholes in the Hummers and plates park. Some of us don't live in a compound.
And yes I don't always park in a spot.
Why? Because they block your excess for your fucker tax payer scooter?
That was one incomprehensible post.
What does how I live have to do with anything? What do Hummers have to do with anything?
Being able to walk short distances and a whole store or mall are two different things. If you can walk a grocery store you can walk five extra parking spaces.
Tax payer? What the hell does that mean?
At least it was English.
Well I for one am a woman who likes candy, flowers AND sex. Preferably all at the same time even.
I hope you have a boyfriend who doesn't get confused easily. Otherwise you might end up with a bunch of flowers in your mouth, chocolates in the funpark and you wouldn't want to find the vase.
Yes, those parking for mothers spots annoyed me.
Making it easier for them to drag their evil spawn into the grocery store to scream, run around knocking things off the shelves, push extra carts into people and block aisles. No, make 'em park far, far away so they'll leave the fuckers home. Or chain 'em to a light standard in the parking lot.
Fortunately they didn't last long.
I support the ones for expectant mothers, we have them on our local Army post. The problem remains that if you are 8 weeks prego you can probably still make it to the door without any problems. But when you are 8 or 9 months things are more difficult.
But when you are 8 or 9 months things are more difficult.
Unless they're getting in one of the motorized carts as soon as they get to the door, it's not difficult enough to warrant a special parking space.
Titanium is much stronger than Aluminum so theoretically they can make things thinner than aluminum with the same strength and weight. Plus it doesn't corrode and has better bragging rights.
And it has the word "tit" in it. :p
Unless they're getting in one of the motorized carts as soon as they get to the door, it's not difficult enough to warrant a special parking space.
But places like Babies R' Us find that it's a good marketing gimmick.
I hope you have a boyfriend who doesn't get confused easily. Otherwise you might end up with a bunch of flowers in your mouth, chocolates in the funpark and you wouldn't want to find the vase.
:headshake
My wife has a HC parking sticker. She can walk in most days, I just hurts like hell. Hence, if she can be closer to the door better for her.
Same with my Grandad - my Dad has a badge that he uses when Grandad is in the car (and ONLY then). Grandad can walk, but not unaided. He has trouble getting in and out of the car, necessitating the extra space on either side provided by disabled spaces. He uses his walker to get to the store, and the shorter the walk outside, the better. Once in the store his shopping trolley provides the stability he needs.
I doubt anyone seeing him would begrudge him any decrease in his journey - he only goes to the store once a week to maintain a measure of independence and it is hard work for him.
I've said this before this before (
here). I believe that it is reasonable to provide the shortest distance car-store-car for people who have difficulty or pain walking. I believe that decreasing the amount of overall walking these people have to do is
one of the reasons for having the spaces in the first place.
Of course another is to allow people in chairs enough space to manoeuvre and there should be enough slots and of sufficient size for this too.
And it has the word "tit" in it. :p
Titanium is derived from the latin root words "tit" and "anium," the plural of anus. It was used by the ancient Romans for making bikinis.
Titanium is derived from the latin root words "tit" and "anium," the plural of anus. It was used by the ancient Romans for making bikinis.
Are you sure it doesn't translate as "metal butt plug"?
Are you sure it doesn't translate as "metal butt plug"?
That's the Greek translation.
Same with my Grandad - my Dad has a badge that he uses when Grandad is in the car (and ONLY then). Grandad can walk, but not unaided. He has trouble getting in and out of the car, necessitating the extra space on either side provided by disabled spaces. He uses his walker to get to the store, and the shorter the walk outside, the better. Once in the store his shopping trolley provides the stability he needs.
I doubt anyone seeing him would begrudge him any decrease in his journey - he only goes to the store once a week to maintain a measure of independence and it is hard work for him.
I've said this before this before (here). I believe that it is reasonable to provide the shortest distance car-store-car for people who have difficulty or pain walking. I believe that decreasing the amount of overall walking these people have to do is one of the reasons for having the spaces in the first place.
Of course another is to allow people in chairs enough space to manoeuvre and there should be enough slots and of sufficient size for this too.
Right, he does not walk the whole store.
Again, if you are going to walk the whole store you can walk the extra 5 spaces to the car.
I also feel those with chairs and lifts should have specific designations and no one else should park in those places.
If that were done, I could care less who parks in the other places.
I also feel those with chairs and lifts should have specific designations and no one else should park in those places.
If that were done, I could care less who parks in the other places.
Amen
Originally Posted by rkzenrage
If you can walk the store you have no business having a disabled parking permit.
My dad can walk the five extra spaces.....and he can just about walk through the store. But, he has to rest after just a couple of minutes walk. He takes about an hour to do a relatively small amount of shopping because of the need for frequent rests. Frankly, I want him parked right outside the store. It's not immediately obvious what the nature of someone's disability is. Some days Dad is more able than other days; some days he starts out okay but gets halfway through a task and becomes so short of breath it's terrifying. I have no doubt there are times that people see him get out of his van and head into the store and think hey....he seems fine. What they don't see is him propped up against a shelf 'resting' and trying to catch his breath again a few moments later.
I hope you have a boyfriend who doesn't get confused easily. Otherwise you might end up with a bunch of flowers in your mouth, chocolates in the funpark and you wouldn't want to find the vase.
I don't have a b/f. Only a husband. ;) He seems to know what goes where.
This is from the Cellar's Sig-Line collection:
"Corporal punishment, of course. Appoint a squadron of grandmothers and retired principals to act as Official Spankers of the State and you'll have felons reforming left and right."
Not necessarily an opinion I hold, but surely it's unpopular with somebody.
I support the [car parking spaces] for expectant mothers, we have them on our local Army post. The problem remains that if you are 8 weeks prego you can probably still make it to the door without any problems. But when you are 8 or 9 months things are more difficult.
I agree. I think they are a good idea for expectant mothers in the last trimester of pregnancy. That's when pregnancy is a real disability. Earlier than that and it's more difficult to justify. If the pregnancy doesn't show, one doesn't need special treatment unless there are other medical grounds.
And another unpopular opinion: expectant mothers in the last trimester of preganacy should be required to wear sensible shoes by law. High heels and the ninth month of pregnancy do not go well together.
I don't believe pregnant mothers need special parking spaces. If it's that hard for them to do the shopping maybe they should find alternative means of getting it done. What I mean is, if they can't walk 100 metres from the car park, they probably shouldn't be going shopping anyway.
I don't believe pregnant mothers need special parking spaces. If it's that hard for them to do the shopping maybe they should find alternative means of getting it done. What I mean is, if they can't walk 100 metres from the car park, they probably shouldn't be going shopping anyway.
What are they doing trying to give birth if they can't walk 100 meters? If pregnancy has disabled someone they can get a regular hang tag. Pregnancy in and of itself is not a disability.
My unpopular opinion:
The human body is not something to be ashamed of.
If you take care of yours you shouldn't feel guilty about sharing it with other adults who appreciate a little nakedness with their morning coffee.
It's just a human body for Christsakes.
Exactly, similar to my earlier statement that if one equates nudity with sex automatically one is a deviant and should get help.
nudity is just fine.. as long as one keeps in mind the aesthetic of the human body..
Everyone has their own... I don't like skinny.
nudity is just fine.. as long as one keeps in mind the aesthetic of the human body..
Fuck that. I'm gonna point and drool and grunt and steam will come out of my ears. But hey, that's just me.
Organized sports in high schools are a huge waste of educational resources better spent teaching students history and logic (or practically anything else).
Politicians should be paid the same as the median government employee, and should have the same pension too.
American style football is stupid and baseball is boring.
The amount of movie sexuality and movie violence allowed by an R rating should be swapped.
Heath care funding should be the exclusive domain of governments.
Copyright should revert to it's original term of 14 years.
Child pornography created without the involvement of any actual children (CGI, Painting, Text, Actors pretending to be younger etc.) is icky and squicky but it shouldn't be illegal.
All possible steps should be taken to eliminate rape in prisons.
University instructors should be expected to fail a certain percentage of the class.
University/college continuing education classes should be funded by the government at the rate of 60 hours per year.
Birth control should be mandatory, you should need to see a doctor before you can get it reversed.
Total compensation for the highest paid employee of a company shouldn't exceed 20 times that of the lowest paid employee. (IE: if your janitor is making $9100 a year working 7 hours a day at $5 an hour with no benefits the highest paid employee/consultant/director/CEO shouldn't be clearing more than $182K).
Inheritance taxes are good.
If both parties in a rape were intoxicated either both should be charged with rape or neither should be charged.
Public transportation should be free but require an ID so abusive riders could be banned.
Home Owner Associations should be banned.
Soccer and cricket are equally as inane.
Companies should pay their people whatever they like over min. wage. What is the problem with CEOs making large salaries? It is up to the shareholders and board. If their decisions make everyone more money they deserve it.
Flat tax, just on sales of goods.
I don't want the government in my health care, they screw everything up. I like to be able to choose my Drs.
Organized sports in high schools are a huge waste of educational resources better spent teaching students history and logic (or practically anything else).
Politicians should be paid the same as the median government employee, and should have the same pension too.
American style football is stupid and baseball is boring.
The amount of movie sexuality and movie violence allowed by an R rating should be swapped.
Heath care funding should be the exclusive domain of governments.
Copyright should revert to it's original term of 14 years.
Child pornography created without the involvement of any actual children (CGI, Painting, Text, Actors pretending to be younger etc.) is icky and squicky but it shouldn't be illegal.
All possible steps should be taken to eliminate rape in prisons.
University instructors should be expected to fail a certain percentage of the class.
University/college continuing education classes should be funded by the government at the rate of 60 hours per year.
Birth control should be mandatory, you should need to see a doctor before you can get it reversed.
Total compensation for the highest paid employee of a company shouldn't exceed 20 times that of the lowest paid employee. (IE: if your janitor is making $9100 a year working 7 hours a day at $5 an hour with no benefits the highest paid employee/consultant/director/CEO shouldn't be clearing more than $182K).
Inheritance taxes are good.
If both parties in a rape were intoxicated either both should be charged with rape or neither should be charged.
Public transportation should be free but require an ID so abusive riders could be banned.
Home Owner Associations should be banned.
my, those ARE unpopular opinions.
I Am Your Worst Nightmare. I am a BAD American. (embellished)
I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some middle level governmental functionary with a bad comb-over who wants to give it away to crack addicts squirting out babies or illegal aliens who circumvented the law to take advantage of our generosity.
I believe no one ever died because of something Ozzy Osbourne, Ice-T or Marilyn Manson sang, but I do believe that rap glorifies the thug life and encourages black men to fail.
I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer. It is what you decide to do with it that makes you a killer. Leave the rest of us law abiding gun owning citizens alone.
I believe it's called the Boy Scouts for a reason. Girls have girl scouts, if you are a boy and want to act like a girl go to the other group.
I don't think being a minority makes you noble or victimized, I think you are an idiot.
I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, you'd better do it in
English.
I don't use the excuse "...it's for the children" as a shield for unpopular opinions or actions.
I think fireworks should be legal on the 4th of July.
I think that being a teenager and college student doesn't give you any more enlightenment than working at Blockbuster or McDonald’s. In fact, if your parents are footing the bill to put your pussy ass through 4-7 years of college, you haven't begun to be enlightened.
I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God or gods, just leave the rest of us out of it. This also applies to sexuality, what goes on in the bedroom between consenting adults is not the business of government or the church.
I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor. I make good money and feel there is no reason to give it to anyone outside of my family unless I want to do so. A flat tax across the board is the only fair tax, no one should be exempt. The Fair Tax proposal should be considered.
I know wrestling is fake and I don't waste my time arguing about it. Dog fighting should be illegal unless you live in another country where it is the norm. If you want to wear fur you should be able to defend that right and shoot people who try to deface your $5000 mink coat.
I think global warming is a big deal when my air con is not working. And where are all those experts now, when I am freezing my ass through a long winter? I support living off the grid and if more people did it the power companies would have to listen to us more often.
I've never owned a slave, or was a slave, I didn't wander forty years in the desert after getting chased out of Egypt, I haven't burned any witches or been persecuted by the Turks and neither have you, so shut-the-fuck- up already.
I want to know which church is it exactly where the Reverend Jesse Jackson and Rev Al Sharpton preaches. And where does he get his money. And why is he always part of the problem and not the solution. Why is important that they make money off of the oppression of blacks?
I think the cops have every right to shoot or beat your sorry ass if you're running from them after you commit a crime. I also think they have the right to pull your ass over if you are breaking the law, regardless of what color you are.
I think if you are too stupid to know how a ballot works, I don't want you deciding who should be running the most powerful nation the world for the next four years. If can't figure it out, don't vote, leave it to those of us who think we know better.
I hate those bastards standing in the intersections trying to sell me crap or calling me on the phone from the police association trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause. These people should be targets at the local range.
I think if you are in the passing lane, and not passing, your license should be revoked, and you should be forced to ride the bus until you promise to never delay the rest of us again. The acceleration lane of the highway on ramp is just that, speed the hell up already, merge or pull over on the side of the road and throw your keys in the bushes.
I think beef jerky could quite possibly be the perfect food only to be out done by some other exotic animals that are available to killed for food.
I believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes two
parents. One can do it but not as well as two dedicated parents who love each other.
I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't pretend they are a political statement, enjoy them because you want them. Tats on the face, neck, hands and arms will prevent you from being hired. If you don't have them you will never understand.
I think Dr. Seuss was a genius.
I'm neither angry nor disenfranchised, no matter how desperately the mainstream media would like the world to believe otherwise. The press is generally liberal and anti-government, accept it.
I believe if she has her lips on your willie, it is sex, and it is sex for
both of you. This even applies when you are President of the United States.
If that makes me a BAD American, then yes, I'm a BAD American.
Soccer and cricket are equally as inane.
Companies should pay their people whatever they like over min. wage. What is the problem with CEOs making large salaries? It is up to the shareholders and board. If their decisions make everyone more money they deserve it.
Flat tax, just on sales of goods.
I don't want the government in my health care, they screw everything up. I like to be able to choose my Drs.
Note I said the government should fund it, not that they should control who you see.
1 The media circus surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is revolting.
2 Her parents are culpable in whatever has happened to her because they left her alone in a flat every night while they went out dining with a group of friends.
Her parents disgust me.
That is unpopular at the moment limey, but I'm more or less with you.
Her parents don't disgust me - they made a poor judgement that they are paying for in full. No different than the parent who thinks they can get away with a short trip holding a child on their lap in a friend's car because they can't be bothered to transfer the carseat - they don't deserve their child to go through the windscreen when the car is rear-ended, but are fully responsible when they do.
What distresses me is the time and money and coverage being spent on one missing child of educated middle class parents. The child is missing due to their poor judgement. I'd rather see the same spent on the innocent victims of abuse, or raising the profile of those who suffer in care and getting children into secure, loving adoptive homes. Children who were born into families that never had a chance and never will have a chance unless they are "rescued".
That is unpopular at the moment limey, but I'm more or less with you.
Her parents don't disgust me - they made a poor judgement that they are paying for in full. No different than the parent who thinks they can get away with a short trip holding a child on their lap in a friend's car because they can't be bothered to transfer the carseat - they don't deserve their child to go through the windscreen when the car is rear-ended, but are fully responsible when they do.
What distresses me is the time and money and coverage being spent on one missing child of educated middle class parents. The child is missing due to their poor judgement. I'd rather see the same spent on the innocent victims of abuse, or raising the profile of those who suffer in care and getting children into secure, loving adoptive homes. Children who were born into families that never had a chance and never will have a chance unless they are "rescued".
*applauds*
it does disgust me how the 70,000 or so kids who go missing in the UK every year do not get the coverage that this case has had. Poor judgement? thats polite of you. We have holidayed with our kids, and the last time we did so, they were aged 12 and 14, and not once did we leave them alone unsupervised. It all seems very suspect to me - why was only one of their kids taken when the other 2 were in the same bed? i hear there's a roaring trade in baby buying.
Refer you to this
thread started by RK.
She's still headline news here - every single news bulletin on TV and radio reports on the fact she is still missing and the papers are still putting her parents on the front page when they can.
They aren't paying for it SG... she is, or has. They are safe and sound.
They need to be charged with endangerment and abandonment, a count for every night they went out on vacation, leaving the kids alone instead of having them watched, fourteen as far as I have heard.
I think they're very bad parents and their other children should be removed from them for a while till they learn how to be responsible. They deserve all the pain they're in. It's their own fault.
The poor child.
She's still headline news here - every single news bulletin on TV and radio reports on the fact she is still missing and the papers are still putting her parents on the front page when they can.
I won't be interested in seeing them until the start working on a replacement.
The poor child.
Not if Willie Wonka's got her. I'm hoping she's somewhere cool with someone who appreciates her more... with a new pony.... as long as she can't be home.
I think you're probably living in dreamland with thoughts like that Bruce...but I suppose it's possible.
Homosexuality is not wrong.
(I'm a christian)
Homosexuality is not wrong.
(I'm a christian)
[COLOR=gray]*in a very soft whisper* be careful using the "C" word around here dixy...a few folks start off on rants, or at least get off on tangents, when they see that...:p [/COLOR]
