Jesus Loves You !
The time has come," Jesus said. "The kingdom of God is near. Repent
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God
I think the time has come to ban this person.
Jesus loves you so much that he allows some of his "celibate" employees to actually demonstrate to you, physically, how much he does, in fact, love you. The demonstrations start out when you're pretty young, though, so don't forget to talk to your kids about the birds, bees and Jesus.
wow. Jesus likes spam.
who knew?
invoketh the single issue hammer clause and smite this wanker.
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wow. Jesus likes spam.
who knew?
I really think that Jesus prefers Mexican food. I will ask him this weekend at dinner.
Noooo.... I think we should discuss this.
That Jesus loves me &/or the kingdom of god is near.
Reasonable discussion to have.
That Jesus loves me &/or the kingdom of god is near.
Reasonable discussion to have.
You? I thought for sure that he loved my neighbor - when her husband was out of town.
this bot didn't even capitalize He or His......great use of honoring Jesus by degrading his pronoun!!!
this bot didn't even capitalize He or His......great use of honoring Jesus by degrading his pronoun!!!
But neither did you!
By the way, in the English language pronouns are not capitalized, not even personal ones.
(P.S. What's a bot?)
i'm a pagan, I'm a heathen, the church will dispose of me don't worry about it
You? I thought for sure that he loved my neighbor - when her husband was out of town.
I smoke stogies with Jesus on Wed. and used to drink with his cousin.
Well, I for one am glad that someone loves me...I knew it was just a matter of time.
That Jesus loves me &/or the kingdom of god is near.
Reasonable discussion to have.
lol...compare and contrast.
You are God. Therefore she is correct. A man's home is his castle, so the kingdom of God is closer than you thought after all. I am God, therefore I am. Makes sense to me.
Goes to flood the bathroom! I am wrathfulllllllllll!!!!
I smoke stogies with Jesus on Wed. and used to drink with his cousin.
I sleep in the arms of Bacchus some nights....
I sleep in the arms of Bacchus some nights....
I used to wake up at the crack of Dawn....
Man, was her husband pissed!
Anyway, Jesus doesn't need to love me.
He's got lots of friends.
I see them outside the "Home Depot" all the time.
Jesus Loves You !
I am getting ready to go out for some mexican food and rita's, I will ask him when I get there.
Jesus was a porter in the hospital where I trained and every afternoon between about 3 and 4 rode up and down the main lift/elevator selling the best weed ever. It was his mobile shop and staff & patients rode along to get the best deals. :joint: Peace & Love
Jesus Loves You !
I am getting ready to go out for some mexican food and rita's, I will ask him when I get there.
Be careful!!!!
Apparently, Jesus can be
bought.
Apparently, Jesus can be bought.
Jesus van, I like it. I don't want it, but I like the idea of selling Jesus, sort of like a church on wheels. Jesus for sale, guess it is not unlike a bricks and mortor church, eh?
Wow. I never thought I'd say it, but I'd like to buy Jesus.
Jesus would help me out no end at this point.
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
You all ought to have some respect for God and His Son. Hasn't Jesus suffered enough (on the cross) without you continuing to mock him two millenia later? Or are you so insecure about yourselves that you have to slander other peoples' deities to feel good? For "tolerant" people, its fascinating that you cannot tolerate Christians or holiness.
? For "tolerant" people, its fascinating that you cannot tolerate Christians or holiness.
We just can't tolerate people shoving their beliefs down our throats. Reasonable enough.
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
You all ought to have some respect for God and His Son. Hasn't Jesus suffered enough (on the cross) without you continuing to mock him two millenia later? Or are you so insecure about yourselves that you have to slander other peoples' deities to feel good? For "tolerant" people, its fascinating that you cannot tolerate Christians or holiness.
You mean like this good Christian?:
I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good. Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are called on by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism.
--Randall Terry, head of Operation Rescue, in The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana. 8-16-93
[This happened to be the quote below the tip mug.]
I don't think we ever actually claimed to be "tolerant."
Does this look like bible class to you? No? Good, that's how we like it.
I think you are all being much more tolerant of him in your posts than I would be.
You all ought to have some respect for God and His Son.
I do, who the fuck are you to tell me I don't?
Hasn't Jesus suffered enough (on the cross) without you continuing to mock him two millenia later?
Can you say assumption, or do you just make them?
Or are you so insecure about yourselves that you have to slander other peoples' deities to feel good? For "tolerant" people, its fascinating that you cannot tolerate Christians or holiness.
No, fool. It's people that are so stupid they run around screaming intolerance, when in fact it is their intolerance that blots out the Son*.
[SIZE="1"]*Son not Sun... get it? Clever, huh? Little Holy Humor. God loves to make jokes, Gannet495 is proof.[/SIZE]
Luk 14:26 If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Jesus died for somebody's sins, but not mine.
Okay. Own up, whose sins did Jesus die for? Come, on....I've got all night.
Jesus rocks...unfortunately, the actions of some of his "followers" make you want to kick them like puppies.
Okay. Own up, whose sins did Jesus die for? Come, on....I've got all night.
Yeah, well, prolly mine. (kicks at dirt and looks away)
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
You all ought to have some respect for God and His Son. Hasn't Jesus suffered enough (on the cross) without you continuing to mock him two millenia later? Or are you so insecure about yourselves that you have to slander other peoples' deities to feel good? For "tolerant" people, its fascinating that you cannot tolerate Christians or holiness.
No one was slandering.......it's called libel you goof. :D
I think it is a good idea that we quit making fun of Jesus....I'd rather make fun of you.......
How did you learn how to get this far on the internet anyway? Is someone moving your mouse for you?
Trolling for Jesus? C'mon.....you are going to have to account for the time you spent being a royal pain in the neck.
You obviously don't know the first thing about tolerance or holiness- and it's
not fascinating. Now go account for wasting your time here.
:D
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Okay. Own up, whose sins did Jesus die for? Come, on....I've got all night.
Everyone's, but you're put more than your share on him, already.
We just can't tolerate people shoving their beliefs down our throats. Reasonable enough.
I can, as long as they pull-out and spooge their beliefs all over my face... oh... um.. huh... what... what were we talkin' bout'? Oh... yeah...:thepain:
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If Jesus died for all of mans sins, did He not die for the sins of Judas Iscariot also?
If not, why?
Are not the sins of Pontius Pilate also forgiven?
What of Cain, recognized as the first murderer? Are his sins forgiven?
What is the limit of forgiving?
Are Hitlers sins forgiven?
Pol Pot? Stalin? Jeffery Dahmer?
Just wondering...
I can, as long as they pull-out and spooge their beliefs all over my face... oh... um.. huh... what... what were we talkin' bout'? Oh... yeah...:thepain:
To quote Jeff Foxworthy - "You might be Catholic if..."
I sleep in the arms of Bacchus some nights....
So
THAT'S who that was... :)
If Jesus died for all of mans sins, did He not die for the sins of Judas Iscariot also?
If not, why?
Are not the sins of Pontius Pilate also forgiven?
What of Cain, recognized as the first murderer? Are his sins forgiven?
What is the limit of forgiving?
Are Hitlers sins forgiven?
Pol Pot? Stalin? Jeffery Dahmer?
Just wondering...
Well, yeah. The way I tend to view un-Murdochian (read: actual) Christian forgiveness is like this. Picture a guy on the sidewalk behind a Psychiatrist Lucy from Peanuts-esque desk. He's handing out free money. Trick is, you gotta ask for it. If you do, cool: here's some money. If you don't, the guy behind the desk will be bummed because hey - why turn down free money and be miserable? But hey, your call.
Root theory of the Crucifixion in its basic sense (which is all I got from sporadic CCD classes as a kid plus amateur theology research of my own) works as follows: "All the bullshit you'd have to go through post-death to get into Heaven? I (Jesus) cut through all that. You don't owe Me anything - it's like that person that walks around and puts a quarter in your parking meter just before it expires. Just ask to be let through the door, and you got it. All I ask is that you not be a schmuck. If you happen to engage in schmuck-like behavior, it's cool, just own up to it and we're golden. Should you choose not to ask to get in, well, it's a bummer but it's your life."
To quote Jeff Foxworthy - "You might be Catholic if..."
AFAIK, "You might be a Catholic if..." was never part of his act.
AFAIK, "You might be a Catholic if..." was never part of his act.
Yup, you're right.
I meant to say "paraphrase", not "quote".
He died for every sin. Sin entered the world through Adam, and the justification of sins by Jesus blood covered all sins.
People benefit from said forgiveness of sins by believing in the Savior that saved them. Jesus clarified what HE considered sin in the book of John:
Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Joh 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
v9: sin = unbelief in Jesus.
So he has cancelled the debt of all individual sin, and it has become that unbelief in Jesus is the only sin remaining.
But, we will all give an account for our works, and for every idle word we speak.
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Sin entered the world through Adam?
Does not the Bible say that Eve ate of the fruit of the Tree Of Knowledge, and because of her, man was cursed with "Original Sin"?
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So he has cancelled the debt of all individual sin, and it has become that unbelief in Jesus is the only sin remaining.
What of murder? A murderer can believe in Jesus. Using your statement, murder is not a sin, if you believe in Jesus.
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But, we will all give an account for our works,
Fine. I have no problem with that.
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and for every idle word we speak.
Define "idle word".
What, EXACTLY, is meant by that phrase?
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And what of those who lived before Jesus?
Those who couldn't follow and worship him?
Are their souls cast into the torment of Hell?
Or did they get a free pass to Heaven?
What of those who do not believe in Jesus or your version of Heaven?
What of the babies murdered on orders of Herod?
What, also, of Longinus? He who pierced the side of the Christ?
What of Barrabbas?
What of Cain?
OH and answer those questions in your own words
Try it - no cheating either
"And what of those who lived before Jesus?"
they had priests & prophets. once a year each family would bring a sacrafice and the priest would take it into the temple and make a "burnt sacrafice" for the whole family, to atone for the sins over the past year.
I'm curious, if homosexuality (that one version of sodomy, no one seems to care about anal or oral sex between married couples, also biblical sodomy and the same abomination) is a sin (the bible does not call it that, but we'll let that go), what are the other 613 abominations?
If they are also sins, why are people not picketing Red Lobster (eating sea bed animals) or tailors (mixed thread garments)? :headshake
They are the same.
Perverts are obsessed with sex.
This was divinely inspired… LOL!!!
Theological doctrines:
1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him
Prov 1:28
14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good
James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days
Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
sacrifices, and holy days.
Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
18. God accepts human sacrifices
2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
God forbids human sacrifice
Deut 12:30,31
19. God tempts men
Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God tempts no man
James 1:13
20. God cannot lie
Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
Gen 8:21
22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered
Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
23. There is but one God
Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods
Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7
Moral Precepts
24. Robbery commanded
Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36
Robbery forbidden
Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15
25. Lying approved and sanctioned
Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22
Lying forbidden
Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8
26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned
2 Kings 14:7,3
Hatred to the Edomite forbidden
Deut 23:7
27. Killing commanded
Ex 32:27
Killing forbidden
Ex 20:13
28. The blood-shedder must die
Gen 9:5,6
The blood-shedder must not die
Gen 4:15
29. The making of images forbidden
Ex 20:4
The making of images commanded
Ex 25:18,20
30. Slavery and oppression ordained
Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8
Slavery and oppression forbidden
Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10
31. Improvidence enjoyed
Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3
Improvidence condemned
1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22
32. Anger approved
Eph 4:26
Anger disapproved
Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20
33. Good works to be seen of men
Matt 5:16
Good works not to be seen of men
Matt 6:1
34. Judging of others forbidden
Matt 7:1,2
Judging of others approved
1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12
35. Christ taught non-resistance
Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52
Christ taught and practiced physical resistance
Luke 22:36/ John 2:15
36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed
Luke 12:4
Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed
John 7:1
37. Public prayer sanctioned
1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3
Public prayer disapproved
Matt 6:5,6
38. Importunity in prayer commended
Luke 18:5,7
Importunity in prayer condemned
Matt 6:7,8
39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned
Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5
The wearing of long hair by men condemned
1 Cor 11:14
40. Circumcision instituted
Gen 17:10
Circumcision condemned
Gal 5:2
41. The Sabbath instituted
Ex 20:8
The Sabbath repudiated
Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16
42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day
Ex 20:11
The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites
out of Egypt
Deut 5:15
43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death
Ex 31:15/ Num 15:32,36
Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in
the same
John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5
44. Baptism commanded
Matt 28:19
Baptism not commanded
1 Cor 1:17,14
45. Every kind of animal allowed for food.
Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom 14:14
Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food.
Deut 14:7,8
46. Taking of oaths sanctioned
Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/ Heb 6:13
Taking of oaths forbidden
Matt 5:34
47. Marriage approved
Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4
Marriage disapproved
1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8
48. Freedom of divorce permitted
Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14
Divorce restricted
Matt 5:32
49. Adultery forbidden
Ex 20:14/ Heb 13:4
Adultery allowed
Num 31:18/ Hos 1:2; 2:1-3
50. Marriage or cohabitation with a sister denounced
Deut 27:22/ Lev 20:17
Abraham married his sister and God blessed the union
Gen 20:11,12/ Gen 17:16
51. A man may marry his brother's widow
Deut 25:5
A man may not marry his brother's widow
Lev 20:21
52. Hatred to kindred enjoined
Luke 14:26
Hatred to kindred condemned
Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29
53. Intoxicating beverages recommended
Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15
Intoxicating beverages discountenanced
Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32
54. It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers
and punish evil doers only
Rom 13:1-3,6
It is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the
good and receive unto themselves damnation therefor
Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/
Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35
55. Women's rights denied
Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6
Women's rights affirmed
Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9
56. Obedience to masters enjoined
Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18
Obedience due to God only
Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10
57. There is an unpardonable sin
Mark 3:29
There is not unpardonable sin
Acts 13:39
Historical Facts
58. Man was created after the other animals
Gen 1:25,26,27
Man was created before the other animals
Gen 2:18,19
59. Seed time and harvest were never to cease
Gen 8:22
Seed time and harvest did cease for seven years
Gen 41:54,56/ Gen 45:6
60. God hardened Pharaoh's heart
Ex 4:21/ Ed 9:12
Pharaoh hardened his own heart
Ex 8:15
61. All the cattle and horses in Egypt died
Ex 9:3,6/ 14:9
All the horses of Egypt did not die
Ex 14:9
62. Moses feared Pharaoh
Ex 2:14,15,23; 4:19
Moses did not fear Pharaoh
Heb 11:27
63. There died of the plague twenty-four thousand
Num 25:9
There died of the plague but twenty-three thousand
1 Cor 10:8
64. John the Baptist was Elias
Matt 11:14
John the Baptist was not Elias
John 1:21
65. The father of Joseph, Mary's husband was Jacob
Matt 1:16
The father of Mary's husband was Heli
Luke 3:23
66. The father of Salah was Arphaxad
Gen 11:12
The father of Salah was Cainan
Luke 3:35,36
67. There were fourteen generations from Abraham to David
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from Abraham to David
Matt 1:2-6
68. There were fourteen generations from the Babylonian captivity
to Christ.
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from the Babylonian
captivity to Christ
Matt 1:12-16
69. The infant Christ was taken into Egypt
Matt 2:14,15,19,21,23
The infant Christ was not taken into Egypt
Luke 2:22, 39
70. Christ was tempted in the wilderness
Mark 1:12,13
Christ was not tempted in the wilderness
John 2:1,2
71. Christ preached his first sermon on the mount
Matt 5:1,2
Christ preached his first sermon on the plain
Luke 6:17,20
72. John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
Mark 1:14
John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
John 1:43/ John 3:22-24
73. Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with a staff
and sandals
Mark 6:8,9
Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with neither
staffs nor sandals.
Matt 10:9,10
74. A woman of Canaan besought Jesus
Matt 15:22
It was a Greek woman who besought Him
Mark 7:26
75. Two blind men besought Jesus
Matt 20:30
Only one blind man besought Him
Luke 18:35,38
76. Christ was crucified at the third hour
Mark 15:25
Christ was not crucified until the sixth hour
John 19:14,15
77. The two thieves reviled Christ.
Matt 27:44/ Mark 15:32
Only one of the thieves reviled Christ
Luke 23:39,40
78. Satan entered into Judas while at supper
John 13:27
Satan entered into him before the supper
Luke 22:3,4,7
79. Judas committed suicide by hanging
Matt 27:5
Judas did not hang himself, but died another way
Acts 1:18
80. The potter's field was purchased by Judas
Acts 1:18
The potter's field was purchased by the Chief Priests
Matt 27:6,7
81. There was but one woman who came to the sepulchre
John 20:1
There were two women who came to the sepulchre
Matt 28:1
82. There were three women who came to the sepulchre
Mark 16:1
There were more than three women who came to the sepulchre
Luke 24:10
83. It was at sunrise when they came to the sepulchre
Mark 16:2
It was some time before sunrise when they came.
John 20:1
84. There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulchre, and
they were standing up.
Luke 24:4
There was but one angel seen, and he was sitting down.
Matt 28:2,5
85. There were two angels seen within the sepulchre.
John 20:11,12
There was but one angel seen within the sepulchre
Mark 16:5
86. Christ was to be three days and three nights in the grave
Matt 12:40
Christ was but two days and two nights in the grave
Mark 15:25,42,44,45,46; 16:9>
87. Holy ghost bestowed at pentecost
Acts 1:8,5
Holy ghost bestowed before pentecost
John 20:22
88. The disciples were commanded immediately after the
resurrection to go into Galilee
Matt 28:10
The disciples were commanded immediately after the
resurrection to go tarry at Jerusalem
Luke 24:49
89. Jesus first appeared to the eleven disciples in a room at
Jerusalem
Luke 24:33,36,37/ John 20:19
Jesus first appeared to the eleven on a mountain in Galilee
Matt 28:16,17
90. Christ ascended from Mount Olivet
Acts 1:9,12
Christ ascended from Bethany
Luke 24:50,51
91. Paul's attendants heard the miraculous voice, and stood
speechless
Acts 9:7
Paul's attendants heard not the voice and were prostrate
Acts 26:14
92. Abraham departed to go into Canaan
Gen 12:5
Abraham went not knowing where
Heb 11:8
93. Abraham had two sons
Gal 4:22
Abraham had but one son
Heb 11:17
94. Keturah was Abraham's wife
Gen 25:1
Keturah was Abraham's concubine
1 Chron 1:32
95. Abraham begat a son when he was a hundred years old, by the
interposition of Providence
Gen 21:2/ Rom 4:19/ Heb 11:12
Abraham begat six children more after he was a hundred years
old without any interposition of providence
Gen 25:1,2
96. Jacob bought a sepulchre from Hamor
Josh 24:32
Abraham bought it of Hamor
Acts 7:16
97. God promised the land of Canaan to Abraham and his seed
forever
Gen 13:14,15,17; 17:8
Abraham and his seed never received the promised land
Acts 7:5/ Heb 11:9,13
98. Goliath was slain by Elhanan
2 Sam 21:19 *note, was changed in translation to be
correct. Original manuscript was incorrect>
The brother of Goliath was slain by Elhanan
1 Chron 20:5
99. Ahaziah began to reign in the twelfth year of Joram
2 Kings 8:25
Ahaziah began to reign in the eleventh year of Joram
2 Kings 9:29
100. Michal had no child
2 Sam 6:23
Michal had five children
2 Sam 21:8
101. David was tempted by the Lord to number Israel
2 Sam 24:1
David was tempted by Satan to number the people
1 Chron 21:1
102. The number of fighting men of Israel was 800,000; and of
Judah 500,000
2 Sam 24:9
The number of fighting men of Israel was 1,100,000; and of
Judah 470,000
1 Chron 21:5
103. David sinned in numbering the people
2 Sam 24:10
David never sinned, except in the matter of Uriah
1 Kings 15:5
104. One of the penalties of David's sin was seven years of
famine.
2 Sam 24:13
It was not seven years, but three years of famine
1 Chron 21:11,12
105. David took seven hundred horsemen
2 Sam 8:4
David took seven thousand horsemen
1 Chron 18:4
106. David bought a threshing floor for fifty shekels of silver
2 Sam 24:24
David bought the threshing floor for six hundred shekels of
gold
1 Chron 21:25
107. David's throne was to endure forever.
Ps 89:35-37
David's throne was cast down
Ps 89:44
Speculative Doctrines
108. Christ is equal with God
John 10:30/ Phil 2:5
Christ is not equal with God
John 14:28/ Matt 24:36
109. Jesus was all-powerful
Matt 28:18/ John 3:35
Jesus was not all-powerful
Mark 6:5
110. The law was superseded by the Christian dispensation
Luke 16:16/ Eph 2:15/ Rom 7:6
The law was not superseded by the Christian dispensation
Matt 5:17-19
111. Christ's mission was peace
Luke 2:13,14
Christ's mission was not peace
Matt 10:34
112. Christ received not testimony from man
John 5:33,34
Christ did receive testimony from man
John 15:27
113. Christ's witness of himself is true.
John 8:18,14
Christ's witness of himself is not true.
John 5:31
114. Christ laid down his life for his friends
John 15:13/ John 10:11
Christ laid down his life for his enemies
Rom 5:10
115. It was lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death
John 19:7
It was not lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death
John 18:31
116. Children are punished for the sins of the parents
Ex 20:5
Children are not punished for the sins of the parents
Ezek 18:20
117. Man is justified by faith alone
Rom 3:20/ Gal 2:16/ Gal 3:11,12/ Rom 4:2
Man is not justified by faith alone
James 2:21,24/ Rom 2:13
118. It is impossible to fall from grace
John 10:28/ Rom 8:38,39
It is possible to fall from grace
Ezek 18:24/ Heb 6:4-6, 2 Pet 2:20,21
119. No man is without sin
1 Kings 8:46/ Prov 20:9/ Eccl 7:20/ Rom 3:10
Christians are sinless
1 John 3: 9,6,8
120. There is to be a resurrection of the dead
1 Cor 15:52/ Rev 20:12,13/ Luke 20:37/ 1 Cor 15:16
There is to be no resurrection of the dead
Job 7:9/ Eccl 9:5/ Is 26:14
121. Reward and punishment to be bestowed in this world
Prov 11:31
Reward and punishment to be bestowed in the next world
Rev 20:12/ Matt 16:27/ 2 Cor 5:10
122. Annihilation the portion of all mankind
Job 3: 11,13-17,19-22/ Eccl 9:5,10/ Eccl 3:19,20
Endless misery the portion of all mankind
Matt 25:46/ Rev 20:10,15/ Rev 14:11/ Dan 12:2
123. The Earth is to be destroyed
2 Pet 3:10/ Heb 1:11/ Rev 20:11
The Earth is never to be destroyed
Ps 104:5/ Eccl 1:4
124. No evil shall happen to the godly
Prov 12:21/ 1 Pet 3:13
Evil does happen to the godly
Heb 12:6/ Job 2:3,7
125. Worldly good and prosperity are the lot of the godly
Prov 12:21/ Ps 37:28,32,33,37/ Ps 1:1,3/ Gen 39:2/
Job 42:12
Worldly misery and destitution the lot of the godly
Heb 11:37,38/ Rev 7:14/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Luke 21:17
126. Worldly prosperity a reward of righteousness and a blessing
Mark 10:29,30/ Ps 37:25/ Ps 112:1,3/ Job 22:23,24/
Prov 15:6
Worldly prosperity a curse and a bar to future reward
Luke 6:20,24/ Matt 6:19,21/ Luke 16:22/ Matt 19:24/
Luke 6:24
127. The Christian yoke is easy
Matt 11:28,29,30
The Christian yoke is not easy
John 16:33/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Heb 12:6,8
128. The fruit of God's spirit is love and gentleness
Gal 5:22
The fruit of God's spirit is vengeance and fury
Judg 15:14/ 1 Sam 18:10,11
129. Longevity enjoyed by the wicked
Job 21:7,8/ Ps 17:14/ Eccl 8:12/ Is 65:20
Longevity denied to the wicked
Eccl 8:13/ Ps 55:23/ Prov 10:27/ Job 36:14/ Eccl 7:17
130. Poverty a blessing
Luke 6:20,24/ Jams 2:5
Riches a blessing
Prov 10:15/ Job 22:23,24/ Job 42:12
Neither poverty nor riches a blessing
Prov 30:8,9
131. Wisdom a source of enjoyment
Prov 3:13,17
Wisdom a source of vexation, grief and sorrow
Eccl 1:17,18
132. A good name is a blessing
Eccl 7:1/ Prov 22:1
A good name is a curse
Luke 6:26
133. Laughter commended
Eccl 3:1,4/ Eccl 8:15
Laughter condemned
Luke 6:25/ Eccl 7:3,4
134. The rod of correction a remedy for foolishness
Prov 22:15
There is no remedy for foolishness
Prov 27:22
135. A fool should be answered according to his folly
Prov 26:5
A fool should not be answered according to his folly
Prov 26:4
136. Temptation to be desired
James 1:2
Temptation not to be desired
Matt 6:13
137. Prophecy is sure
2 Pet 1:19
Prophecy is not sure
Jer 18:7-10
138. Man's life was to be one hundred and twenty years
Gen 6:3/ Ps 90:10
Man's life is but seventy years
Ps 90:10
139. The fear of man was to be upon every beast
Gen 9:2
The fear of man is not upon the lion
Prov 30:30
140. Miracles a proof of divine mission
Matt 11:2-5/ John 3:2/ Ex 14:31
Miracles not a proof of divine mission
Ex 7:10-12/ Deut 13:1-3/ Luke 11:19
141. Moses was a very meek man
Num 12:3
Moses was a very cruel man
Num 31:15,17
142. Elijah went up to heaven
2 Kings 2:11
None but Christ ever ascended into heaven
John 3:13
143. All scripture is inspired
2 Tim 3:16
Some scripture is not inspired
1 Cor 7:6/ 1 Cor 7:12/ 2 Cor 11:17
Think not that I come to send peace on earth: I came not to send
peace, but a sword.
- Matthew 10:34
... all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
- Matthew 26:52
For wrath killeth the foolish man...
- Job 5:2
... let not the sun go down on your wrath.
- Ephesians 4:26
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, even the Son of man which
is in heaven.
- John 3:13
... and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
- 2 Kings 2:11
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
- John 5:31
I am one that bear witness of myself...
- John 8:18
[Jesus was the speaker in both of these quotes]
A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children's children...
- Proverbs 13:22
Sell that ye have and give alms...
- Luke 12:33
Blessed is the man that feareth the Lord... Wealth and riches
shall be in his house...
- Psalms 112:1-3
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than
for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
- Matthew 19:24
I and my father are one.
- John 10:30
... I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
- John 14:28
[Jesus was the speaker in both of these quotes]
Thou shalt not kill
- Exodus 20:13
Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his
side... and slay every man his brother...
- Exodus 32:27
Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.
- Exodus 20:8
The new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot
away with: it is iniquity.
- Isaiah 3:22
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness
of anything that is in heaven... earth... [or] water.
- Leviticus 26:11
And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt
thou make them.
- Exodus 25:18
For by grace are ye saved through faith... not of works.
- Ephesians 2:8-9
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by
faith only.
- James 2:24
God is not a man, that he should lie: neither the son of man,
that he should repent.
- Numbers 23:19
And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his
people.
- Exodus 32:14
... the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall
hear his voice, and come forth...
- John 5:28-29
As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth
down to the grave shall come up no more.
- Job 7:9
... thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth,
hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for
wound, stripe for stripe.
- Exodus 21:23-25
... resist not evil; but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right
cheek, turn to him the other also.
- Matthew 5:39
Honor thy father and mother.
- Exodus 20:12
If any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother, and
wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own
life also, he cannot be my disciple.
- Luke 14:26
Lay not up for yourself treasures upon the earth...
- Matthew 6:19
In the house of the righteous is much treasure...
- Proverbs 15:6
I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
- Genesis 32:30
No man hath seen God at any time.
- John 1:18
The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father.
- Ezekiel 18:20
... I the lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of
the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth
generation.
- Exodus 20:5
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth
understanding.
- Proverbs 3:13
For in much wisdom is much grief; and he that increaseth
knowledge increaseth sorrow.
- Ecclesiastes 1:18
The Lord is good to all.
- Psalm 145:6
I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things.
- Isaiah 45:7
Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire.
- Matthew 5:22
[Jesus said] Ye fools and blind.
- Matthew 23:17
For all have sinned.
- Romans 3:23
There was a man... whose name was Job; and that man was perfect
and upright.
- Job 1:1
Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign.
- 2 Kings 8:26
Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign.
- 2 Chronicles 22:2
If a man vow a vow unto the Lord or swear an oath... he shall do
according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.
- Numbers 30:2
But I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven... nor by
earth.
- Matthew 5:34-35
... the earth abideth forever.
- Ecclesiastes 1:4
... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and
the works that are therein shall be burned up.
- 2 Peter 3:10
... for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger
forever.
- Jeremiah 3:12
Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever.
- Jeremiah 17:4
... God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.
- James 1:13
And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt
Abraham.
- Genesis 22:1
And God saw everything that he made, and behold it was very good.
- Genesis 1:31
And it repented the Lord that he had made man on earth, and it
grieved him at his heart
- Genesis 6:6
For now have I chosen and sanctified this house that my name be
there forever; and mine eyes and my heart shall be there
perpetually.
- II Chronicles 7:16
Howbeit the most high dwelleth not in temples made with hands.
- Acts 7:48
[God dwells] in the light which no man can approach unto.
- I Timothy 6:16
The Lord said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.
- I Kings 8:12
And the Lord called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid.
- Genesis 3:9,10
Ye hath neither heard his voice, at any time, nor seen his shape.
- John 5:37
Then went up Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the
elders of Israel. And they saw the God of Israel... They saw
God, and did eat and drink.
- Exodus 24: 9-11
Whom no man hath seen nor can see.
- I Timothy 6:16
With God all things are possible.
- Matthew 29:26
And the Lord was with Judah, and he drove out the inhabitants of
the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the
valley, because they had chariots of iron.
- Judges 1:19
God is not the author of confusion.
- I Corinthians 24:33
Out of the mouth of the most high proceedeth not evil and good?
- Lamentations 3:38
Those that seek me early shall find me.
- Proverbs 8:17
Then shall they call upon me but I will not answer; they shall
seek me early, but shall not find me.
- Proverbs 1:28
On the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of
atonement; it shall be a holy convocation unto you; and ye shall
afflict your souls and offer an offering made by fire unto the
Lord.
- Leviticus 23:27
For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day
that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt
offering or sacrifices.
- Jeremiah 7:22
And the priest shall burn all on the altar to be a burnt
sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savor unto the
Lord.
- Leviticus 1:9
Your burnt offering are not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet
unto me.
- Jeremiah 7:20
God is not a man, that he should lie
- Numbers 23:19
And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the
Lord have deceived that prophet.
- Ezekiel 24:9
There is none other God but one.
- I Corinthians 8:4
And God said, Let us make man in our image.
- Genesis 1:26
When ye go, ye shall not go empty; but every woman shall borrow
of her neighbor, and of her that sojourneth in her house, jewels
of silver and jewels of gold, and raiment; and ye shall put them
on your sons and upon your daughters; and ye shall spoil the
Egyptians.
- Exodus 3:21,22
Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor, nether rob him.
- Leviticus 19:13
At the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of
man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed.
- Genesis 4:5,6
And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should
kill him.
- Genesis 4:15
Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not,
neither do they spin... if God so clothe the grass of the
field... shall he not much more clothe you? Therefore, take no
thought, saying what shall we eat? or what shall we drink? or
wherewithal shall we be clothed?... Take, therefore, no thought
for the morrow.
- Matthew 6:28, 30-34
But if any provideth not for his own, especially for those of his
own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an
infidel.
- I Timothy 5:8
Be ye angry and sin not.
- Ephesians 4:26
Be not hasty in they spirit to be angry; for anger resideth in
the bosom of fools.
- Ecclesiastes 7:9
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good
works.
- Matthew 5:16
Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of
them.
- Matthew 6:1
And Solomon stood before the alter of the Lord, in the presence
of all the congregation of Israel, and spread forth his hands
toward heaven...
- I Kings 7:22
When thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are; for
they love to pray standing in the synagogues, and in the corners
of the streets, that they may be seen of men...
- Matthew 6:5
And no razor shall come on his head; for the child shall be a
Nazarite unto God from the womb.
- Judges 8:5
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that if a man hath long
hair, it is a shame unto him?
- I Corinthians 6:14
Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
- Exodus 20:8
One man esteemeth one day above another; another esteemeth every
day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
- Romans 14:5
For in the six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and
all that in them is, and rested the seventh day; wherefore the
Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
- Exodus 20:11
And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and
that the Lord thy God brought the out thence through a mighty
hand and by a stretched-out arm; therefore the Lord thy God
commanded the to keep the Sabbath day.
- Deuteronomy 5:15
There is nothing unclean of itself.
- Romans 14:14
Nevertheless, these shall ye not eat, of them that chew the cud or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel and the hare, and the coney; for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof, therefore they are unclean unto you. And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass.
- Deuteronomy 14:7,8
Cursed is he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother.
- Deuteronomy 27:22
And Abraham said... She is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
- Genesis 20:11,12
If brethren dwell together, and one of them die and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger; her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife.
- Deuteronomy 25:5
If a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing... they shall be childless.
- Leviticus 20:21
He that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness.
- Mark 3:29
And by him that believe are justified from all things.
- Acts 13:39
[John the Baptist] is Elias which was for to come.
- Matthew 11:14
And they asked him, what then? Art thou [John the Baptist] Elias? And he saith, I am not.
- John 1:21
Now, after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee,
preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God.
- Mark 1:14
After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judea... and John was also baptizing Enon... for John was not yet cast into prison.
- John 3:22-24
And it was in the third hour, and they crucified him.
- Mark 25:3-4
And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour; and he saith unto the Jews, behold your king... Shall I crucify your king?
- John 19:14-15
They gave him vinegar to drink, mingled with gall.
- Matthew 27:34
And they gave him to drink, wine mingled with myrrh.
- Mark 15:23
[Jesus was the thirsty chap in both verses.]
And the men which journeyed with [Paul] stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
- Acts 9:7
And they that were with me [Paul] saw indeed the light and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
- Acts 22:9
Abraham had two sons; one by a bonds-maid, the other by a free woman.
- Galatians 4:22
By faith, Abraham when he was tried offered up Isaac... his only begotten son.
- Hebrews 11:17
Therefore Michal, the daughter of Saul, had no child unto the day of her death.
- II Samuel 6:23
The five sons of Michal, the daughter of Saul.
- II Samuel 21:8
And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel.
- II Samuel 24:1
And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
- I Chronicles 21:1
All power is given unto [Jesus] in heaven and in earth.
- Matthew 28:18
And [Jesus] could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands on a few sick folk and healed them.
- Mark 6:5
There shall no evil happen to the just.
- Proverbs 12:21
Whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
- Hebrews 12:6
rk - I don't believe you - cite proof!
rk - I don't believe you - cite proof!
Cite... no! I don't hafta' read tha' bible... it confuses me!:(
Actually, Kings, is a really useful source, historically speaking. I mean, don't get me wrong most of it's bullshit (by which I don't mean intent to deceive, but the archetypes and anecdotes that merge history and myth in equal measure), but there's some really useful stuff in there that, taken with some other evidence is really useful in defining the relationships between certain early empires/powers in the near and middle east. Much of it has clearly been gleaned from much earlier (non-extant)writings and offers tantalising glimpses into things like the power and brutality of Assyria (how strongly that was felt!) and the extent of Pheonician influence around the turn of the first millenium b.c.
Exactly, the entire old testament is the history of the Jews and the world as they saw it from their limited perspective.
*nods* much of it. Some of it is borrowed from neighbouring cultures. Lot of mingling of mythical foundations during the bronze age.
I'm just glad that's over.
I don't intend to do any marketing for or against it.
No double standards. Rkzen, you have to show your own work too.
No double standards. Rkzen, you have to show your own work too.
Funny... I thought I just did... pages of it.
Semi-Random Bible quotes cribbed from other sources? I think that's what you called Gannet out on, wasn't it?
Quoted from the Bible and they were not random at all, each directly contradicts the other.
The bible is not an authority on anything , moral or otherwise, and should never be used as such due to its inconsistent nature.
A moral code cannot contradict itself.
Christians state the bible is the "truth".
What truth?
That one honors they mother & father or hates them, forgives their children or dashes them upon stones, does not kill or commits genocide, honors the sabbath or works on it like jesus, etc, etc, etc....?
Son, stay out of that water, you will get wet.
Son, go ahead, get in the water.
Each said at different times, different places, with different intentions.
Son, stay out of that water, you will get wet. <Outside in school clothes waiting on bus and found a puddle of water to entertain himself.>
Son, go ahead, get in the water. <On vacation and just got to the beach.>
Same for:
Dad, can I have a cookie? No.
Dad, can I have a cookie? Yes.
Dad, can I have a cookie? No. <Just before dinner>
Dad, can I have a cookie? Yes. <Just after dinner>
Funny as it was, the verses you used weren't in the same settings, same times, etc. Cherry-picking versus is easy to do if you want certain results...just like statistics. Therefore, they don't really tell us anything the way they were presented. Again, funny but not really a good argument about the Bible's validity (or lack thereof).
"You are taking out of context!"
Bullshit.
By that argument I can use the bible to justify any action and no one can disagree under any circumstances. Christianity is license to do anything that pops into your head.
Once more.
The Bible is not a book.
The Bible is a collection of books, a library.
Like any library, some of the books will refer to the same or similar happenings but they are separate stories, not chapters in one book.
The fact that statements in one book contradict the statements in another is because they are different stories of different people, places, circumstances and times.
Saying, "Christians state the bible is the "truth", shows you don't understand Christians or the Bible.
But bruce, you can't deny that there are christians who do "state the bible as truth".
What rkzenrage has a problem with are the 'religious right' kind of christian... the one who uses their faith to justify their prejudices.
We're talking jerry falwell, not the local part-time pastor.
If you wanna argue that THEY don't understand christianity or the bible, go right ahead... but people keep saying that muslims need to muzzle their fundamentalist brethren or suffer from the image blow? Same thing, here.
I talked about Ezekiel 22 in today's
ManifestoBut bruce, you can't deny that there are christians who do "state the bible as truth".
What rkzenrage has a problem with are the 'religious right' kind of christian... the one who uses their faith to justify their prejudices.
We're talking jerry falwell, not the local part-time pastor.
If you wanna argue that THEY don't understand christianity or the bible, go right ahead... but people keep saying that muslims need to muzzle their fundamentalist brethren or suffer from the image blow? Same thing, here.
Even the ones that will say, 'yeah, the Bible is true', are usually keeping it in context of the particular book of the Bible, and don't often claim every verse is true and applicable in every situation.
What I've been bitching about from the gitgo, is he rages with the broad brush on every stroke, making him sound as wacky as the Christian extremists like Falwell. If someone makes a claim, attribute it to them, not to Christian.
What I've been bitching about from the gitgo, is he rages with the broad brush on every stroke, making him sound as wacky as the Christian extremists like Falwell. If someone makes a claim, attribute it to them, not to Christian.
If you wanna argue that THEY don't understand christianity or the bible, go right ahead... but people keep saying that muslims need to muzzle their fundamentalist brethren or suffer from the image blow? Same thing, here.
You can't do that in a free country, as long as they have the TV ratings, and rkzenrage keeps watching them.
Even the ones that will say, 'yeah, the Bible is true', are usually keeping it in context of the particular book of the Bible, and don't often claim every verse is true and applicable in every situation.
What I've been bitching about from the gitgo, is he rages with the broad brush on every stroke, making him sound as wacky as the Christian extremists like Falwell. If someone makes a claim, attribute it to them, not to Christian.
Where is their support base? How large is it.
If it were just a few wackos Falwell would just be another nobody.
Moderates who do not speak out against them are complaisant.
Even if Falwell's support base is in the millions, it does not constitute all Christians, which is what you imply when you say Christians this and Christians that.
I have no problem with you, or anyone, crying foul, when the wackos are being stupid. But I strenuously object to lumping millions of decent people into the wackos camp, against their wishes.
Show me where I said all Christians were guilty.
he said 'imply'
for someone who's been pissing on about people not reading, you sure are having comprehension problems. maybe if you acted like someone who reads posts, you'd do better?
Christians state the bible is the "truth".
Christianity is license to do anything that pops into your head.
Show me where I said all Christians were guilty.
There's two of many, very many.
The bible does just that.
If Christians do not state the bible is truth, on what do they base their beliefs?
In no way did I say Christians, I said Christianity.
You can't tell the difference between the individuals and the organization?
Shame.
You call that "Imply"? Funny, you interpret something for yourself and put it on me... have at it. It's funny.
The bible does just that.
If Christians do not state the bible is truth, on what do they base their beliefs?
They don't say the Bible is truth, they say the truth is in the bible.
If I read a book in the Bible and believe it to be a true story, as close as they can get it through multiple translations anyway, that doesn't mean you can pluck out a verse and say that's what the bible says? It's the same as you can't pluck a post out of this thread and say, that's what the thread says, or an entire thread and say that's what the Cellar says.
Also, the Christian faith is based on Jesus Christ's teachings, the old testament is just what led up to that point, so it's truth is a moot point.
In no way did I say Christians,
The fuck you didn't.
Originally Posted by rkzenrage
Christians state the bible is the "truth".
I said Christianity.
You can't tell the difference between the individuals and the organization?
Shame.
Yes, you also said Christianity. Are you trying to claim it is less a blanket indictment of all Christians? Shame indeed.
You call that "Imply"? Funny, you interpret something for yourself and put it on me... have at it. It's funny.
OK, lets not call it imply, lets call it the outright fucking lie that it is.
Which of Jesu's teachings? Hate your mother and father, come with a sword, love everyone? Everyone gets to pick their favorite.
You are making my point, you can make the bible say whatever you want.
You took my quote out of context and changed the basis for the reply. Cute.
If its not the truth then there is no belief based on it... speaking of lies.
OK, cite;
Where Jesus said, hate your mother and father.
Where Jesus said, come with a sword.
I know where he said love thy neighbor as thy self.
Took you're quote out of context? I don't think so, but I must yield to your level of expertise, since you're the consummate pro at that.
Luke 14:26
"If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple."
Think not that I come to send peace on earth: I came not to send
peace, but a sword.
- Matthew 10:34
In both of those verses Jesus was speaking to the apostles, warning them if they were not completely committed they were wasting their time, and his. Emphasizing the job they were setting out to do would be opposed by a whole host of opponents.
He was warning them it wasn't going to be a walk in the park, but like a war, against everything from kings with armies to whining relatives, trying to dissuade and detour them at every turn. He was telling them if they weren't prepared to give up everything and everyone, don't even start.
That's why there were only 12 apostles out of the multitudes he spoke to. Notice he wasn't saying go out and tell everyone this message, these weren't boot camp speeches, this was green Beret training.
The reason they were recorded is for street creds... these were the apostles credentials to preach to the masses after Jesus was gone.
Oh, so that's different. I see.
It's like when Scientologists sell Dianetics to the masses, but when you're pot committed, they bring out Xenu.
