Red "Delicious" Apples
Are total shite. Damn the evil conglomeration of pretentious grocers who devised this abomination. Damn them, I say!
I am pretty sure that red delicious apples are the worst apple there is that are still intended for casual eating and not cooking with a pound of sugar.
Gala is the best supermarket apple for eating. Golden delicious can also be pretty damn good.
I seem to remember Red Delicious having been more tasty in the distant past. Now, they are absolutely tasteless, like eating wet cardboard pulp or something. WTF? How do you genetically engineer the taste out of an apple, and why?
Oh yeah, and Fujis are good too.
I am pretty sure that red delicious apples are the worst apple there is that are still intended for casual eating and not cooking with a pound of sugar.
Gala is the best supermarket apple for eating. Golden delicious can also be pretty damn good.
AGREED...I love the Gala apples. One of our markets has these beautiful Galas...another has shriveled, crappy looking ones (Wally World.) They have a Braeburn that looks like a Gala but I don't care for the taste.
Red Delish is too sweet. Get a Gala!
Granny Smith apples are the only acceptable kind. All the other species are tools of the devil.
Granny Smith's are wonderful as well. I like a good tart.
I mean, a good, tart, apple.
Granny Smith apples make me
That's why you should always eat them with peanut butter to take the edge off. :yum:
"Fujis are good too" [/mocking effeminate voice]
Gentleman, the time for talk is over. Now is the time for action.
Hmmmm, never tried that! Will do!
"Fujis are good too" [/mocking effeminate voice]
Gentleman, the time for talk is over. Now is the time for action.
You crack my mind up!
WTF? How do you genetically engineer the taste out of an apple, and why?
Breed for looks and long shelf-life and ignore how taste is affected.
compromise: Grannie Smith for pies, Gala and Fuji for eating, and Red Delicious for compost.
it isn't so much even the taste--it's the texture. That mushy, grainy,icky stuff--like eating sawdust.
Green apples are much nicer. Organic apples are usually tastier, too, even if sometimes not as pretty.
"...I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell -
I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore! Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say,
I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore! Then we'll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis [COLOR="Gray"][SIZE="1"][and the apples][/SIZE][/COLOR]. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it:
I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!"
"...I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore! Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore! Then we'll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis [COLOR="Gray"][SIZE="1"][and the apples][/SIZE][/COLOR]. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it:I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!"
Sincerely,
Johnny Appleseed
Sincerely,
Johnny Appleseed
...the Mad Prophet of the Orchards.
Granny Smith apples make me
Pucker? Try under ripe crab apples sometime.
I agree with Cloud.
Great flick Flint... some idiot will probably remake it next week.
I'm a Washington fan.
I also like to eat baking apples.
Joe Strummer & The Mescaleros
Lord, there goes Johnny Appleseed
He might pass by in the hour of need
There's a lot of souls
Ain't drinking from no well locked in a factory
Hey - look there goes
Hey - look there goes
If you're after getting the honey - hey
Then you don't go killing all the bees
Lord, there goes Martin Luther King
Notice how the door closes when the chimes of freedom ring
I hear what you're saying, I hear what he's saying
*Is what was true now no longer so
Hey - I hear what you're saying
Hey - I hear what he's saying
If you're after getting the honey - hey
Then you don't go killing all the bees
What the people are saying
And we know every road - go, go
What the people are saying
There ain't no berries on the trees
Let the summertime sun
Fall on the apple - fall on the apple
Lord, there goes a Buick forty-nine
Black sheep of the angels riding, riding down the line
We think there is a soul, we don't know
That soul is hard to find
Hey - down along the road
Hey - down along the road
If you're after getting the honey
Then you don't go killing all the bees
Hey - it's what the people are saying
It's what the people are saying
Hey - there ain't no berries on the trees
Hey - that's what the people are saying, no berries on the trees
You're checking out the honey, baby
You had to go killin' all the bees
Great flick Flint... some idiot will probably remake it next week.
!!! Good Lord...they probably will... :::cringe::: I'm really scared right now...
"You're television incarnate, Diana..."
"Why don't we just kill the sonofabitch?"
"Give her the f*cking residuals!"
Oh, yeah. One of the greatest films of all time, and if someone tries to remake it, I'm going to rip out my eyeballs and mail them to the producer.
Can you imagine the re-spinning this film would get via "committee" decision, in order to be what they think the audience is capable of understanding these days? They really would have to just put a new title on it, I don't think they remember how to make movies like this.
I will say... I wouldn't mind if Richard Linklater (Scanner Darkly, Waking Life) did it.
One word, for eating and cooking.
Honeycrisp.
That is all.
When I was in NC there was one with pink flesh that was AMAZING.
When I was in NC there was one with pink flesh that was AMAZING.
Honeycrisp is the most amazing thing to come down the apple road. They are the best. They can keep up to 7 months with no deterioration if kept at 99% humidity and 32f.
I once met an apple grower who told me the red delicious cross was beautiful, travelled well, and had a reasonable shelf life at room temp, only it taasted like wet cardboard. So they hired a marketing company who came up with the orwellian name "Delicious". It's still going downhill as far as veracity is concerned.
Although, "honeycrisp" actually barely covers how amazing this apple is, especially when cold. Don't even bother eating apples if you aren't buying directly from the orchard. I'm serious. get fresh or get lost.
EAT THE FOOD!!!
What about the "Golden Delicious"?
I use to like Grannies (no pun intended)
but prefer Elstars now.
ick. I have to say Golden Delicious are also seriously tasteless. I buy Fuji or Gala most often.
I will look for Honeycrisp.
Breed for looks and long shelf-life and ignore how taste is affected.
In this way, I think the "Red Delicious Apple" is highly symbolic of where our society has been heading, in general.
I really am a little bit angry/disappointed that we are stupid/complacent enough to popularize/accept a shitty-tasting apple.
In this way, I think the "Red Delicious Apple" is highly symbolic of where our society has been heading, in general.
I really am actually a litte bit angry/disappointed that we are stupid enough to popularize/accept a shitty-tasting apple.
Who's "we?" I don't buy that crap.
"We" is a general term for "the human population" - the people who buy apples, in this case.
What don't you buy? Somebody ("we") has to be buying these apples, or they wouldn't be around anymore.
I guess so. And you are doing your part now by educating those in the Cellar who didn't know that Red Delicious Apples suck.
Red Apples are mushy like Green Apples are much better.
In this way, I think the "Red Delicious Apple" is highly symbolic of where our society has been heading, in general.
I really am a little bit angry/disappointed that we are stupid/complacent enough to popularize/accept a shitty-tasting apple.
But it's called DELICIOUS, it has to be good. Commie fag. How can we be good consumers if we think for ourselves? [/crazy sarcastic rant-ette]
Are total shite. Damn the evil conglomeration of pretentious grocers who devised this abomination. Damn them, I say!
I think we all agree with that one! We'll it is a common feeling around here anyway.
Sometimes I find a good Gala or Fuji. As a kid I remember standing on my horse to reach that very large golden at the top of the lone apple tree. :drool: You'll never find that one in a store.
And you are doing your part now by educating those in the Cellar who didn't know that Red Delicious Apples suck.
I'm not afraid to tackle the tough issues facing this great nation. I won't bow down to Big Apple and their fat-cat friends in Congress.
Red Delicious: the Britney Spears of apples.
Had a good Cortland yesterday. Mmm.
That's because the Delicious doesn't keep so well on the shelf -- straight off the tree and dripping with their inner juices, then you know where the name came from. But it has to have come off the tree in that day or two.
Second the notion on the Fujis and Galas -- much better eatin' over time, and likewise the Granny Smiths for their proper application as bakin' apples. I'll have to give organic ugly apples a real taste test sometime.
I keep imagining Granny Smith wearing green dresses in life.
Pink Lady apples are very yummy.
I like Green apples better though.
Stayman - Winesap.
Most people eat Red Delicious because most outlets sell them exclusively, and have for some time. A couple of generations don't know anything else, unless they live next to an orchard like I do. Shame.:(
no deterioration if kept at 99% humidity and 32f.
99% humidity? What do you do, drown them in your fridge? :eyebrow:
To me, the ideal apple for baking apple pies is the "Goudreinet", or golden rennet. If they're out of season, I go with Elstar. I don't often eat apples, but if I do I like both the Grannies and the Jonagold.
Stayman - Winesap.
Do you like those in particular? I'm going to expand my fruit trees after I put up a goat fence.... man needs his cheese as well.
Yes, great for cooking, slightly tart tang eating. Not popular because of the mottled skin makes them poor for still life painting unless you're really good. :D
99% humidity? What do you do, drown them in your fridge? :eyebrow:
To me, the ideal apple for baking apple pies is the "Goudreinet", or golden rennet. If they're out of season, I go with Elstar. I don't often eat apples, but if I do I like both the Grannies and the Jonagold.
damp cloth, plastic bag. The orchards keep them sprayed with water all the time. It is damp in the storage area.
I'm not afraid to tackle the tough issues facing this great nation. I won't bow down to Big Apple and their fat-cat friends in Congress.
:thumbsup:
Red Delicious: the Britney Spears of apples.
Smack! haha
Ya'lls are gonna have to get the book "botany of desire" for some real apple talk. Great book.
If you liked that you'll like Mr Pollan's piece in last Sunday's NY Times.
Awesome. It kind of bummed me out though. Even though I eat remarkably closely to what he talks about, I still am far away from how I ate in my 20's. More vegetables then.
Lately, we've been eating a lot more meat, though it is all "organic-ish" meaning I know the farmers who raised the meat, I helped slaughter some of it, and I know the animals didn't eat anything but food. ie no hormones or antibiotics. (one cow did die of a bad cold however...) The farmers aren't USDA certified as organic, not that that has any meaning.
So now I am thinking I need to eat more broccoli and carrots. I could go for a good Cobb salad right now. God, those are great.
Had some of these at the end of last season.
Honeycrisp apples from the grower's backyard. Now I'm not an apple guy. I prefer citrus, but I left the land of citrus for the land of stone fruits and apples, and I'm trying to adapt. This apple will do it. God it was delicious. I had maybe ten.
Stayman - Winesap.
Those are good too, but I've never seen one in a grocery store, and the oldest one I've ever eaten had been picked about a week earlier. Gotta go to the source to get one.
True, never in the store, only orchards have them because they aren't grown in great quantity. I'm fortunate to be close.:D
Granny Smith apples are the only acceptable kind. All the other species are tools of the devil.
Yep. I slice 'em up (never peeled) and squeeze a tiny bit of lime juice and shake a good amount of salt on them. Deeeee-licious!!
Hey, that's it! Green Delicious!
Hmmmm.. maybe not.
How come "Red Delicious" sounds so much better than "Green Delicious?"
Red is passion
Green is envy, and sea sickness
;)
We planted a Honey Crisp and a Northern Spy. I plan to espalier them along a fence.
I don't think this is the proper forum to discuss your perversions you picked up in France. :eek:
red apples make me wanna shyt.
My mom gets sick with gas and the trots with red bell peppers... I wonder what does that... other things high in fiber don't?
I don't think this is the proper forum to discuss your perversions you picked up in France. :eek:
I predict you are thinking of the joke whose punchline is "Yeah, and I wish it was dark."
Red Delicious Apples float in water, exactly like a bowling ball doesn't.
Red Delicious Apples float in water, exactly like a bowling ball doesn't.
WITCHES!
I predict you are thinking of the joke whose punchline is "Yeah, and I wish it was dark."
Nope, haven't heard that one. :confused:
Nope, haven't heard that one. :confused:
Meet me over at the humor thread.
"Fujis are good too" [/mocking effeminate voice]
Gentleman, the time for talk is over. Now is the time for action.
Has Flint always been insane? Or, did he just 'turn' one day?
Ah, yes, apples…
Our supermarkets have this habit of displaying nice, fresh, crunchy, juicy apples during the first week of a promotion, but then these are suddenly replaced by ones that are fresh… out of storage! They still look good, but the act of eating is a gruesome exercise – all pap and no flavour - absolutely no modicum of eating enjoyment is delivered at all, for that matter.
Red Delicious, howoever, seem to achieve gruesome status whether fresh off the tree or fresh off the storage rack.
But all is not lost! Our local Waitrose (supermarket division of the John Lewis Partnership – ‘never knowingly cheap’ or something similar is their motto) has started selling a US derived variety known as ‘Empire’ – absolutely no disappointment so far and I’ve been buying them for over two months now. And they’re predominantly red in colour as well!
With the popular Red Delicious and McIntosh for parents, Empire apples were destined to be a hit. It's a sweet-tart combination that's great for everything. The New York State Agricultural Experiment Station in Geneva introduced this new variety in 1966.
;)
Has Flint always been insane? Or, did he just 'turn' one day?
I like an honest man, Flint. Good for you. :D
I've never liked red apples, but then I've always favoured content over looks anyway.
I love Braeburn - can't get a better apple as far as I'm concerned.
RK - I suffered a very bad reaction to red jalapenos (
written up here - it's a bit grim) and yet they're supposed to be milder than the green ones. I wonder if something in the colour does affect some people?
I'll look out for Honeycrisp, but I find the name a little off-putting as I'm not one for sweet apples.
I miss going to food fairs, which I did every year when I was in marketing. I discovered Jalapeno Tabasco and Braeburn apples at the BBC Food & Drink Show. Companies launching or promoting food would give out free samples which I'm sure was a more cost effective way of gaining new customers than TV advertising.... That and I'm a greedy pig who's a sucker for free samples of course!
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By Alex Avery :
On HBO's "Curb Your Enthusiasm," the female lead character portrays a lawyer for the Natural Resources Defense Council. It is appropriate that this show is a comedy, because NRDC has long been a bad national joke. How are we to take seriously the claims of an organization that for the last decade has used baseless fear and science fiction to get the public's attention? Its tactics are reminiscent of the little boy who cried wolf, except the apocryphal shepherd boy got only three chances. NRDC, despite dozens of attempts to needlessly scare the American public, has yet to receive the deaf ear it deserves.
In fact, the Environmental Protection Agency is bending itself into a pretzel to accommodate this gang of activist lawyers. This week, under a consent decree with NRDC, the agency held a special four-day Scientific Advisory Panel (SAP) to review the supposed impacts of atrazine on the sexual development of frogs. Atrazine is an important agricultural herbicide, widely used for decades.
While one day of the 4-day SAP was set aside for public comment, the NRDC was inexplicably given a separate day of its own to bloviate. Moreover, the NRDC's pet scientist used up nearly six hours of the public's comment day. (His research is, unsurprisingly, the only research implicating atrazine in frog abnormalities.)
Ten years ago, NRDC perpetrated one of the biggest scams ever on the American public, claiming that a product called alar, used in growing apples, was the "most potent cancer-causing agent in our food supply." NRDC ranted that alar was a "cancer-causing agent used on food that the EPA knows is going to cause cancer for thousands of children." But it wasn't true, and NRDC knew it. Alar, it turns out, was far less a cancer risk than tap water or peanut butter.
Why did they do it? According to boasts from NRDC's public relations firm, it was all an elaborate (and highly successful) fundraising scheme. When their lies were exposed -- sadly too late to save mass parental anguish over supposedly poisonous apple juice or to save apple farmers the millions of dollars in market losses -- the NRDC equivocated. "We never said there was an immediate danger," they said as they laid blame on journalists who "muddled" their report and the public who "overreacted."
Like alar, the agricultural herbicide atrazine is a high-level target of the NRDC. These activists claim atrazine is a known carcinogen -- when they know it is not.
In 1994, the EPA initiated a special review of atrazine, among other herbicides. Since that time Syngenta, the primary manufacturer of atrazine, has provided the EPA with more than 200 studies that demonstrate that atrazine is safe for humans and the environment. In June 2000, the EPA's atrazine SAP met and concluded that atrazine does not pose a cancer risk to humans.
But the constant intervention of NRDC into the regulatory process has carried on the review of atrazine for nearly a decade. Last year, one college researcher claimed that atrazine at low doses (but not at high doses) was affecting the sexual development of frogs. He became an instant media darling. Yet three separate groups of university research scientists have been unable to replicate his results. Replication is the foundation of sound science. Nevertheless, based on that one scientist's unreplicated research, the NRDC demanded and got the EPA to convene yet another SAP to examine the impact of atrazine on amphibians. That was this weeks' meeting.
In advance of the meeting, the EPA's Office of Pesticide Programs posted its opinion that "The current weight-of-evidence does not show that atrazine produces consistent, reproducible effects across the range of exposure concentrations and amphibian species tested." On Thursday, after the SAP, the EPA says "atrazine exposure did appear to be having some impact on gonadal effects" of frogs. Nothing has changed about the evidence from a week ago. It is still inconsistent, unreplicated, and illogical.
The SAP will apparently recommend to the EPA yet more research into possible impacts of atrazine on frogs.
Why is the environmental protest industry allowed to manipulate the process this way? The NRDC is not a grassroots organization funded by concerned citizens throwing in their twenty dollars apiece to save the environment. They are a well-funded army of lawyers ($4 million in taxpayer funds from the EPA alone) that uses our legal system as a means to an end. The first lawsuit filed by NRDC against atrazine was in 1986. And when NRDC can't win in court, they take their case to the media, where they are not required to swear to tell the whole truth. The alar smear campaign exposes their underhanded tactics.
Hundreds of studies conducted by responsible scientists confirm that atrazine is safe for humans, safe for the environment and valuable to farmers. On matters of the environment and human safety, isn't the word of sound science considerably more valid than that of lawyers?
Alex Avery is director of research and education at the Hudson Institute's Center for Global Food Issues in Churchville, Virginia.
http://www.techcentralstation.com/index.htmlUm, OK.
I was just eating a fuji apple the other day, and it was good. But not as good as a gala. So I'd say that gala apples are the best. Followed by fuji or golden delicious. Not sure which. I need to do a taste test sometime.
Um, OK.
He is opposed to fresh local food.
all the apples I mentioned are grown in New Zealand, I think. Gala and Fuji anyway. What's frustrating is that a New Zealand apple tastes fresher than a local apple when you are shopping in a grocery store. You have to go directly to the orchard or find a farmers' market if you want a yummy local apple.
I am trying a recipe tonight that calls for red apples, and I successfully convinced myself that I could not just swap in green apples and expect the flavors to work the same way. So per LabRat's advice I was going to go with Honeycrisp apples as the lesser-of-all-red-apple-evils, but my grocery store didn't carry them. So I settled on the
Pinata apple, purely on the fact that it was way more expensive than all the other apples there, including the organics. If it's expensive it's probably better, right? Upon coming home and googling I discovered
this site which claims
If you like honeycrisp apples, you'll like Pinatas.
Score! The recipe calls for them to be cooked in the oven along with a bunch of other ingredients; I'll let you know how they turn out.
all the apples I mentioned are grown in New Zealand, I think. Gala and Fuji anyway. What's frustrating is that a New Zealand apple tastes fresher than a local apple when you are shopping in a grocery store. You have to go directly to the orchard or find a farmers' market if you want a yummy local apple.
Yah. Somebody did mention organics earlier, so we got the alar spam. When we eat in-season, right off your neighbors tree is better and you can get more interesting fruit. I have no problem with big apple growers selling a good product, but assuming someone is only buying local to avoid the long gone alar scare is idiotic.
I'll let you know how they turn out.
We'll just pop by and judge it ourselves thank you. :)
On HBO's "Curb Your Enthusiasm," the female lead character portrays a lawyer for the Natural Resources Defense Council. It is appropriate that this show is a comedy, because NRDC has long been a bad national joke.
Granted, I have not had HBO for some time, but the last I saw the lead female character would be Cheryl David, Larry's wife. Who are they talking about?
OMG Honeycrisp are the ƒuckin' awesomest, ever!!!1 ... I just popped my Honeycrisp cherry.
I'm with you.
They taste like a mouthful of win.
better than a stayman winesap?
I can't believe I didn't mention the Honey crisp or the Pink Lady.
I've never had a stayman winesap apple and Bruce lives near an orchard? I am very envious. I bet he's baking a pie right now.
Weird that this thread is back up again right now. We're going apple picking tomorrow.
You'd better call ahead and make sure there are still apples. We went last week and were thwarted. If the man was to be believed, the whole apple crop was shite because of a late frost.
said there were no apples to pick. It sucked cuz the kids were really jazzed to go a pickin.
At least you might be able to find a farm with bales of hay,pumpkins and a scarecrow or two real soon. Oh and lots of apple cider too.
You'd better call ahead and make sure there are still apples. We went last week and were thwarted. If the man was to be believed, the whole apple crop was shite because of a late frost.
We were in luck.
Plenty of apples. Beautiful weather for it. I took the day off. We had a picnic there. Great time. Traffic sucked getting home though. Nothing like DC traffic to suck the restfulness out of you as you are getting home from being away.
Yeah, it's gorgeous there. We've been going there for almost 15 years. It was unknown when we first started going, but now on a nice fall weekend, there will be hundreds of people there. Got to get there on a weekday to really enjoy it in peace. They have planted a bunch of grapes too, so in another couple years, they will have the wine draw too.
It's about an hour outside DC, so it's very doable.
I took the kids to
Linvilla today, which was seriously crowded. We were there more for the pumpkins than the apples...
Nice farm, they have shitty neighbors though. :rolleyes:
Was Linvilla the Orchard the fought off an eminent domain takeover attempt? (
ah, it wasn't fought off, it was negotiated.)
I once met an apple grower who told me the red delicious cross was beautiful, travelled well, and had a reasonable shelf life at room temp, only it taasted like wet cardboard. So they hired a marketing company who came up with the orwellian name "Delicious". It's still going downhill as far as veracity is concerned.
I just wanted to note that this post has an exceptionally high truth:word ratio.
They develop strains that look good in the shop but have the taste and nutrition of, as you say, cardboard; then stick some BS name on them to make people buy them.
I hate that shit.
Gimme a pink lady. (I
was thinking of apples, but now that I reconsider...)
We bought some honey while we were at the apple place last weekend. This place has bee hives to pollinate the trees, and a local beekeeper comes and collects the honey. It's packaged for the orchard and they sell it with their own label in their little store.
OMFG! All my life, I thought honey was just honey, and it was nothing special. But man, is this stuff awesome. That stuff you buy in the grocery store is nothing compared to this fresh raw local honey. We keep finding excuses to use it, and already the jar is about a third gone in a week and a half.
Nobody told me.
We bought some honey while we were at the apple place last weekend. This place has bee hives to pollinate the trees, and a local beekeeper comes and collects the honey. It's packaged for the orchard and they sell it with their own label in their little store.
OMFG! All my life, I thought honey was just honey, and it was nothing special. But man, is this stuff awesome. That stuff you buy in the grocery store is nothing compared to this fresh raw local honey. We keep finding excuses to use it, and already the jar is about a third gone in a week and a half.
Nobody told me.
I've discovered that about local honey, too!
You are what you eat. Honey and milk (of all kinds), takes on the taste of what the maker is eating. The stuff you usually buy at the supermarket is blended and processed to even out the taste.
and mainly clover honey. i expect apple tree honey would be better.
Ours tastes rather piney ...
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Because of our discovery, we actually stopped by a farmers market yesterday where I've seen honey for sale, and bought some wildflower honey. It will be interesting to see how it compares to both the apple orchard honey and the plastic bear squeeze bottle from the grocery store.
If you can, try some of the Eucalyptus based honies. Blue gum is especially tasty. :yum:
I seem to remember Red Delicious having been more tasty in the distant past. Now, they are absolutely tasteless, like eating wet cardboard pulp or something. WTF? How do you genetically engineer the taste out of an apple, and why?
I lthink of them as 'mealy'. Granny Smith or Fujis are the way to go.