We are in even more trouble now

yesman065 • Dec 12, 2006 2:11 pm
http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/2006/12/incoming-house-intelligence-chief.html

How the Heck can this guy be appointed to the House intelligence chief position and NOT know this???? How the hell can any senator/congressman not know this?? This is truly frightening.
Flint • Dec 12, 2006 2:15 pm
Have you ever worked for someone who has never done your job, nor really knows anything about it, but were hired for "management" experience?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 13, 2006 5:52 am
Flint hit the nail square on the head...... it's corporate thinking.
Who do they want running the show? MBAs.
Doesn't matter if the business is making widgets, handling information, hardware, software or high tech toys. You know that professional manager doesn't know jack-shit about what his people are doing, only if they are meeting deadlines and being cooperative/not disruptive. Of course he set the deadlines, and he's no help if you get stuck, but that's your problem... not his.

On the upside, Reyes not knowing the answers to the questions may be a good thing. Maybe instead of taking the position with preconceived notions, he'll use the power of the position to find out the truth.



Naw. :headshake
yesman065 • Dec 13, 2006 8:09 am
I can relate to your "fresh-thinking" perspective, but it would be nice to know what or who the problem is. The fact that he couldn't distinguish between "Shiite" and "Sunni" is unconscionable.
Griff • Dec 13, 2006 8:12 am
He'll be very easy to control by whoever gets in the saddle. He knows nothing so he'll believe whatever he is fed.
yesman065 • Dec 13, 2006 8:14 am
Isn't that the situation many here say we are in now? Why would we want to do it again? Oh, thats right - - - -> politics as usual.
Stormieweather • Dec 13, 2006 8:57 am
What bothers me most is not that he didn't know this information (even the most intelligent people don't know everything), but that he actually answered with a guess rather than admit he didn't know. It's ok to not know something, but the peak of stupidity to answer as though you do know (erroneously, as it turns out) and prove you're an idiot.

Stormie
Spexxvet • Dec 13, 2006 9:02 am
Didn't W fail the same sort of test, and then got elected president? Hopefully the results will not be the same... maybe he's a quick study.
chrisinhouston • Dec 13, 2006 9:04 am
What troubles me is that Pelosi picked him over 2 more senior Democrats who have much more experience because she doesn't get along with them. She also made that dumb move by supporting Murtha when he had all that baggage.

MESSAGE TO CONGRESS: WAKE UP AND LISTEN TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS!!!
Torrere • Dec 13, 2006 11:03 am
Well, they appended an update to the article, where Sen. Reyes clarifies that he does know what's going on. He is "acutely aware of Al Qaeda's desire to harm Americans." He sounds so much more smart and knowledgeable when he uses words like "acutely".

In the original article in Congressional Quarterly, it's clear that he not only has trouble distinguishing Shia from Sunni (which might be excusable for the average American), but also that he has no idea what Hezbollah is.


Also, it seems that Trent Lott hit the nail on the head:
“Why do they kill people of other religions because of religion?”
skysidhe • Dec 13, 2006 11:11 am
I saw this on the Today show the other day.

It brought up the memory of Kerry saying we needed sensitivity training regarding the middle east yet was snickered at.

When will we ever learn?:headshake:
MaggieL • Dec 13, 2006 11:20 am
skysidhe wrote:

It brought up the memory of Kerry saying we needed sensitivity training regarding the middle east yet was snickered at.

Of many things Kerry has said, that's probably among the most snicker-worthy.
skysidhe • Dec 13, 2006 11:58 am
MaggieL wrote:
Of many things Kerry has said, that's probably among the most snicker-worthy.


What does that word mean to you? When someone says that sensitivity training in is order what do you hear? Just curious. I know the Rebublican mind translates things differently. Oh and sensitivity might not mean to me what you think it does.:)
yesman065 • Dec 13, 2006 1:08 pm
The more I read about Pelosi, the more worried I get. I am ok with change as long as it produces a more beneficial leadership - however this is beginning to look like a step backward.

Sensitivity - in this context, to me means a better understanding of what the other culture believes, feels wants. . . and a better comprehension of how to relay the same information from us in a way they will understand, without it coming across as US telling THEM.

We already tried that and it hasn't worked out so well yet.
MaggieL • Dec 13, 2006 2:58 pm
skysidhe wrote:
What does that word mean to you? When someone says that sensitivity training in is order what do you hear? Just curious. I know the Rebublican mind translates things differently. Oh and sensitivity might not mean to me what you think it does.:)

OK...let's start off with "I'm not a Republican." (Or a rebublican.)

Now, with that out of the way...

What does "sensitivity training" mean to me? It means somebody has decided somebody else is insufficiently politically correct, and is in a position to try to impose their own values and point-of-view, while whitewashing it as pedagogy.
Flint • Dec 13, 2006 3:03 pm
[SIZE="1"]Incidentally, one might also learn the difference between Sunni and Shiite...[/SIZE]
rkzenrage • Dec 13, 2006 4:35 pm
Remember... if it is a government agency/committee it is actually the opposite of it's name.
Intelligence Committee = room full of morons dictating futile hate policy.

It always works.
barefoot serpent • Dec 13, 2006 4:46 pm
yesman065 wrote:
The fact that he couldn't distinguish between "Shiite" and "Sunni" is unconscionable.


I always thought it was being able to tell between "Shiite" and "Shinola"...
;)
yesman065 • Dec 13, 2006 10:12 pm
Thanks b.s. I knew I could count on you.
skysidhe • Dec 14, 2006 12:44 pm
Flint wrote:
[SIZE="1"]Incidentally, one might also learn the difference between Sunni and Shiite...[/SIZE]


Yes I do mean cultural.

MaggieL wrote:
OK...let's start off with "I'm not a Republican." (Or a rebublican.)

Now, with that out of the way...

What does "sensitivity training" mean to me? It means somebody has decided somebody else is insufficiently politically correct, and is in a position to try to impose their own values and point-of-view, while whitewashing it as pedagogy.



I went to look up the difference between Suni and Shiite to try gaining some understanding. I failed. It is complicated. This is sensitive. I can barley get my point across when I am understanding something but not this!

Then I saw something that brought it home in a simple way. Perhaps more snickerish to some but is this the 'sensitivity training' do we really want to be snickering in the face of our ignorance ?


What is the answer here?


Is this child...
an Arab or a Kurd,
Moslem or Christian,
a Shiite or a Sunni?


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Shawnee123 • Dec 14, 2006 1:27 pm
I don't know...which one looks like a box with a red x in it?
Clodfobble • Dec 14, 2006 4:05 pm
A red cross? Must be a Christian!
skysidhe • Dec 14, 2006 4:46 pm
Shawnee123 wrote:
I don't know...which one looks like a box with a red x in it?



silly, you can't tell a childs faith by seeing him/her anyway. That was the point. ;)
Torrere • Dec 15, 2006 7:54 pm
but "Arab or Kurd" is an ethnic distinction, which might be readily distinguished by someone familiar with the region. Although the difference between Shi'a and Sunni is a religious question, the I think that the majority of the Shi'ites are from the old Persian empire. Christianity and Islam, despite colonisation and ministry, are both largely regional phenomena.

If you see a child somewhere, you could probably make a very good guess whether they are Arab or Kurd, and whether they will become Muslim or Christian, Shi'ite or Sunni.
MaggieL • Dec 23, 2006 5:24 pm
skysidhe wrote:
do we really want to be snickering in the face of our ignorance ?

Those who offer us "sensitivity training" suffer from the presumption that we are more ignorant than they and in need of their training.

I actually know the difference between Shia and Sunni. Kerry is a pompous supercilious preppy asshole and has been such for a long, long time.

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Urbane Guerrilla • Dec 27, 2006 12:45 am
Kerry is one of the several senior Democrats who keep on display exactly what is wrong with the Democratic Party. There are others who do their part to make this clear also.

The Jackasses aren't getting a dime from me.

I remember some gun people sending envelopes containing, in cash, two cents U.S. to the Clinton legal defense fund. Can't recall if I followed this example or not... I might have, I didn't at all care for Ole Possum Head... but quite a fistful of such envelopes originated at that gun rally.
rkzenrage • Dec 27, 2006 3:15 am
Oh, yeeeaahhhh... if he had won we would have been in heaps of trouble by now!
Aliantha • Dec 27, 2006 7:33 pm
lol...*nothing more to say about this little stouch*
Urbane Guerrilla • Jan 1, 2007 12:33 am
'Cept perhaps what a "stouch" might be... ;)
Aliantha • Jan 1, 2007 6:34 pm
argument/fight/scuffle
richlevy • Jan 1, 2007 7:48 pm
bread/potato/starch
Urbane Guerrilla • Jan 2, 2007 2:41 am
It's a stouch if you hit him with the couch...

"...Should you behold a panther crouch
Prepare to say ouch.
Better yet, when called by a panther,
Don't anther."

--Ogden Nash