Some Dwellars know more than the Senate Intel Cmte
(Message entirely deleted, marichiko the worthless fucking cunt hole replied to it, knowing exactly what she was doing. You don't get my content while she's here. I'm fucking OUT.)
you'll still post to the subcellar, tho, right?
Were you asking me or UT? I'll post to all parts of the Cellar unless banned. I was checking to see if UT was just having a bad hair day when he asked me not to respond to his posts. Guess he really meant it. The funny thing is that I agreed with him. Maybe this gave him cold chills or something.
Also, I'm wondering if he plans never to post to the cellar again until/if I leave; or just that I better never ever reply to something he posts.?????
(Message entirely deleted, marichiko the worthless fucking cunt hole replied to it, knowing exactly what she was doing. You don't get my content while she's here. I'm fucking OUT.)
I think that was a Verry clear FUCK OFF !!!!!
I'm confused. All seems a tad over the top to me.
This has gone entirely too damn far. This is a BBS, ie, Bulletin Board.
Since when are posts only for certain members to respond to?
Personal attacks on members, designed to belittle the poster and ignore the content of their post, is childish and stupid.
Personal feuds damage the board, make it unpleasant for members and makes lurkers/casual readers fearful of posting what could be pertinent, useful, information.
Posting is individual contribution not a team sport, no choosing sides, us against them.
Stop it....just fucking stop it. :mad:
This has gone entirely too damn far. This is a BBS, ie, Bulletin Board.
Since when are posts only for certain members to respond to?
Personal attacks on members, designed to belittle the poster and ignore the content of their post, is childish and stupid.
Personal feuds damage the board, make it unpleasant for members and makes lurkers/casual readers fearful of posting what could be pertinent, useful, information.
Posting is individual contribution not a team sport, no choosing sides, us against them.
Stop it....just fucking stop it. :mad:
i don't think it has gone far enough. one bad apple can spoil an entire barrell. one person can polarize and divide people into teams. your opinion of what is valuable content plainly differs from mine, and i'm sure everyone has their own, too. I'm not worried about dissuading lurkers from posting some little gem. i'm worried about people i like bailing out because they find this place to be less enjoyable with
certain memebers participating.
when one annoying person can make the board unenjoyable to it's creator.....know it, and still refuse to fuck off.......well, you tell me; Should we just take the high road, and hope she'll go away on her own? Should we all drop out until she leaves? ( that's certainly tempting) should we just accept her as inevitable? I've resolved to be rude and obnoxious to her. you handle it how you like. don't expect me to stop it though.
why won't she take a fucking hint, a smack in the face, and a formal invitaion to leave?
one bad apple can spoil an entire barrell. one person can polarize and divide people into teams.
I agree, but there are different opinions on who that apple(s) is(are).
Don't assume your personal apple is a consensus, or entitles you to bully anyone that annoys you.
Anyone with strong opinions is going to annoy somebody, but that doesn't invalidate their point, no matter how abrasive they are.
There are only three RULES of the Cellar.
Do not try to break the law using the Cellar.
Do not try to break the Cellar.
Do not be "intolerably irritating".
The meaning of that last item is of course open to interpretation. But basically, if you are a troll, attention whore, moron, spammer, single-issue hammer, or otherwise want to hurt or "test" this community, you WILL be removed and banned.
BUT, that's not your decision to make, no vigilantes.
Being the soup nazi is not good for business. :eyebrow:
i don't think it has gone far enough. one bad apple can spoil an entire barrell. one person can polarize and divide people into teams. your opinion of what is valuable content plainly differs from mine, and i'm sure everyone has their own, too. I'm not worried about dissuading lurkers from posting some little gem. i'm worried about people i like bailing out because they find this place to be less enjoyable with certain memebers participating.
when one annoying person can make the board unenjoyable to it's creator.....know it, and still refuse to fuck off.......well, you tell me; Should we just take the high road, and hope she'll go away on her own? Should we all drop out until she leaves? ( that's certainly tempting) should we just accept her as inevitable? I've resolved to be rude and obnoxious to her. you handle it how you like. don't expect me to stop it though.
why won't she take a fucking hint, a smack in the face, and a formal invitaion to leave?
Why don't you just put me on ignore? Why doesn't Jinx/Isis just put me on ignore? Why doesn't BigLargeMcHuge just put me on ignore? Don't you have things that you should be doing with your wife and kids in your precious free time on Saturday nights and Sunday mornings?
I have watched you deliberately hound perfectly decent people off this board, so why are you so worried that a lurker or two might read one of my posts, judge the entire board on one poster, and flee never to return? I think what might cause them to flee is the treatment I get from from you and UT. Discussion boards are boring when they're made up of people who do nothing but say "ditto," "I agree," "right on." Its the debates which make a board interesting or not.
I formally invite YOU to leave and go Christmas shopping with your family.
whatever. buh bye.
i will be posting once or twice more when something i've been planning with another dwellar is ready to go.......after that, i'm with tony.
enjoy your marichiko content, bruce.
So, what? Are you and Tony going to create your own secret little sub-basement, open by invitation only, and abandon the Cellar?
This has gone entirely too damn far. This is a BBS, ie, Bulletin Board.
Since when are posts only for certain members to respond to?
Personal attacks on members, designed to belittle the poster and ignore the content of their post, is childish and stupid.
Personal feuds damage the board, make it unpleasant for members and makes lurkers/casual readers fearful of posting what could be pertinent, useful, information.
Posting is individual contribution not a team sport, no choosing sides, us against them.
Stop it....just fucking stop it. :mad:
Now y´all listen to the man, will ya?
Probably I´ve missed a lot lately, but this thread is fcuking pathetic...
"Ya" LL" stop by and have a toast mit me and get the rag out your butt.
Fucking hell
i know i missed a whole mess of stuff this year, but wasn't marichiko banned at one point?
Yeah, I was; and there was this big discussion about it, and I guess enough people didn't feel that I should be banned, so Tony unbanned me. I really don't know what I did wrong, but its his board and he could always ban me again, rather than implying that he will never again post to his own board as long as I post to it.
:thumb2:
Cheers for xoxoxoBruce!
I'm with Bruce on this one.
Bruce, I'm impressed. Somebody still remembers what The Cellar was supposed to be about :fingerx:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
Stop it....just fucking stop it. :mad:
Of course, it's so simple, why didn't we all think of that? :smack: While we're at it, why can't we all just get along and bring about world peace? :rolleyes:
Could it be that those personal attacks are cathartic, maybe even therapeutic [venting], and organic to those experiencing deep frustration? What have you done to give them an route of egress? :eyebrow:
Why not petition the Administrator to establish a "grudge match" forum in the
Cellar-related section; or, start a "grudge match" thread yourself in the
Cellar Meta forum. The moderating process would be simplified. All Dwellars, wherever they may be posting, will conduct their personal attacks via link from their basic post to an adjunctive
attack post in the "grudge match" forum/thread. Non-compliance causing grievous violations (moderators' discretion) will result in the ENTIRE offending basic post being moved to the "grudge match" arena; or, deleted.
You can do it; but, you don't have to do it: it's up to you! :D
I really don't know what the big deal is. I lurk, posting sometimes, and see all of the dissention taking place...but it's my choice whether or not I choose to participate in it. Obviously the people that do enjoy it or they wouldn't do it, otherwise they would just choose to ignore posting and getting involved like I do. So what's the problem? That's what boards like this are for right?discussion, arguing, etc, etc? I might not agree with everything, or know enough about everything to say anything to make a difference but I know how to ignore it if it just really isn't that big of a deal to me. I don't care one way or the other about Mari and her illness, or if she's feeding everyone a load of crap...it doesn't interest me or bother me enough to get involved in it. LJ and the others can fight her all they want, if that's what they want...hell, it just gives me more to waste my time with. And, some of it is quite funny!
Bruce I'm disappointed to see you choosing sides and jumping into the middle of this argument again. Didn't work out last time and doesn't seem to be any more effective this time. :rolleyes:
Man, this kind of stuff didn't happen back when Dobbs owned the board.
Effective or not, it needed to be said.
Bruce I'm disappointed to see you choosing sides and jumping into the middle of this argument again. Didn't work out last time and doesn't seem to be any more effective this time. :rolleyes:
I don't see Bruce as choosing sides, Jinx. To me it looks more like a boxing ref sending folks to their corner.
Bruce I'm disappointed to see you choosing sides and jumping into the middle of this argument again.
Isn't that Bruce standing over there with a can of gasoline. Good. I always love a 4th of July party in December.
BTW, isn't this somehow about Congressman? Funny how politicians leave when the riots start.
Bruce I'm disappointed to see you choosing sides and jumping into the middle of this argument again. Didn't work out last time and doesn't seem to be any more effective this time. :rolleyes:
How am I choosing sides, by telling everyone to stop acting like this is a kindergarten playground, and stop these bullshit personal attacks.
Bullying and deliberately taunting someone is completely unacceptable to me. I don't care who it is, if I see it, I'll speak up. I have that right, just like every other member of this board.:eyebrow:
And you've been played, too. Played, played, played.
You can't deny it. You don't need to. We've all been played, and once again there are not one, not two, but three separate threads, all playing the game of the attention whoring, the most expert drama-producing victimization queen of all time.
Someone who can now, once again, sit back and claim, who, l'il ol' me? What did poor old me do to deserve this? Victim, I'm the victim, help help help!
But once again the point is, it's all about her.
The only way to win is not to play. And that's what I did; I took my thread and went home with it. You say "don't do this" but that's what I was doing, removing myself from the situation.
And ever the expert, she then deleted her thread in which her provocative little game was too evident.
And you know the most ironic thing about all of it?
You people who "speak up for her" think you are doing her a favor.
And you think she cares about you, in some small way perhaps; but you've been played. The point was to get enough of you to pick sides, until she could violate our general agreement to merely stay apart, an agreement which I had carefully stayed true to. And boom, instant drama.
You say, oh, just ignore it! But you've been played, and you don't understand what's happening here. Ignoring it is not the end for a drama queen. She continues to deviously provoke until there is drama. And the more drama the better. It is inevitable.
If you want to do her a favor, you will demand that she be gone, and to hopefully learn the lesson that such behavior is absolutely foul and reprehensible, not only here but everywhere. It is the only polite response to such gamesmanship. And perhaps the only hope for her as a human being.
And you've been played, too. Played, played, played.
If she's a troll, then the people who attack her are the ones that got played. If not, then they're just being jerks.
If you don't want a thread to be about her, respond to the issue she raises without any reference to her connection to it. Or don't respond at all. Responding by personal attack (which includes calls for everyone to pressure her to leave) is either playing into her devious plot, or it is irrelevant, or both.
I'm not "speaking up for her" here or doing her a favor; I just get annoyed when these little snark exchanges crop up. But I absolutely wouldn't want any of the people involved to leave.
If she's a troll, then the people who attack her are the ones that got played. If not, then they're just being jerks.
If you don't want a thread to be about her, respond to the issue she raises without any reference to her connection to it. Or don't respond at all. Responding by personal attack (which includes calls for everyone to pressure her to leave) is either playing into her devious plot, or it is irrelevant, or both.
I'm not "speaking up for her" here or doing her a favor; I just get annoyed when these little snark exchanges crop up. But I absolutely wouldn't want any of the people involved to leave.
Good call ....HP
and Bruce your being a good moderator. I see you as unbiased.
Played? I don't think so. Entertained? For sure. Personally I enjoy reading the next chapter of How the West Was Lost. I really don't care if it's true or not, because I've nothing invested but my time and the entertainment was worth that. The thing that seems to bother the people she annoys, is championing her causes in the first person, which they don't believe.
Mari's been here long enough so anyone seeing her threads, should know what to expect and if you see her post somewhere else, you know you can almost predict her position on most topics. I'd say she's not the only one.
UT, rule #3;
Do not be "intolerably irritating".
The meaning of that last item is of course open to interpretation. But basically, if you are a troll, attention whore, moron, spammer, single-issue hammer, or otherwise want to hurt or "test" this community, you WILL be removed and banned.
If you feel that applies, you've got the button....in fact you're the only one that can make that decision.
You don't have to explain, you don't have to start a thread to discuss it.
Whatever you say, goes.
That said, as long as I'm a member of this board, I won't stand by, while someone bullies, or intimidates, another member.
what xob said.
It is your board, UT, and you can ban who you like for whatever (or no) reason. Otherwise, people can post here, people can respond, can ignore, can get annoyed, can do whatever ...
Isn't this board like a big party, with conversations in a number of rooms? If you don't like the conversation in a particular room, or you see that there is someone you can't stand in there, go somewhere else for a while. Or, like I said, it's UT's house, you go ahead and chuck someone out. But picking fights, I'd rather not see that ...
How am I choosing sides, by telling everyone to stop acting like this is a kindergarten playground, and stop these bullshit personal attacks.
Come on Bruce. Throw the gasoline. Everyone is so hot and bothered over nothing that it will make a spectacular fire.
am I too late to mention 'the land of the free'.......?
Bullying and deliberately taunting someone is completely unacceptable to me. I don't care who it is, if I see it, I'll speak up. I have that right, just like every other member of this board.:eyebrow:
It's only bullying if you think there is a victim.
It's possible that being a dishonest attention whore is unacceptable to some other members. I think you should afford them the same rights.
being a dishonest attention whore is unacceptable to some other members.
remembers to only be honest while attention whoring :D [being funny!] :P
[serious self says]
......also since I am opening my mouth ....anytime a person is called a name instead of dealing with the issue or addressing the behavior, it is bullying and when someone is being a bully the recipient is a victim . It dosn't matter if the person doing the name calling thinks they deserve derision or not.
But once again the point is, it's all about her.
anytime a person is called a name instead of dealing with the issue or addressing the behavior, it is bullying and when someone is being a bully the recipient is a victim . It dosn't matter if the person doing the name calling thinks they deserve derision or not.
in this case the "name" being called is an explanation of the undesireable behavior so i don't know if this is really bullying or not. but what the hell do i care? i can, and frequently do, ignore all posts made by some individuals because let's face it - after a couple of years you already know every single thing some people will ever say in their life.
lol!
at the time of writing, this thread stands at 42 posts......
DON'T PANIC!
it's ok Jay. threads like this get everyone fired up again for awhile. in a sick sort of way it is actually good for the cellar.
It's only bullying if you think there is a victim.
It's possible that being a dishonest attention whore is unacceptable to some other members. I think you should afford them the same rights.
I neither afford, nor deny, any rights. I can't make anybody do anything, even if I wanted to.
I say what I think, which is my right. :cool:
Ahhhhhh, let's see. I poked UT in the eye so many times he finally left. I've got Bruce and LJ at each other's throats. I've got jinx fussing at Bruce. There's infighting, people are leaving - the one's that don't like me, that is...
And everyone, everywhere is looking at me. Mee. MEEE!
If I had known how much fun it is to take a giant, steaming shit in the middle of the Cellar, I'd have done it a long time ago!
Oh, wait.. I did do it a long time ago. Tee Hee. Sorry, I'm just sooooooo giddy right now.
I need a cigarette after this! Oops - I did it again! Tee Hee!
Not bad for a half brain-dead dingbat.
where the hell was that at?
This thread is becoming increasingly more pathetic. As usual with bulletin boards keyboard warriers are all over the place. In normal life this would never happen looking into eachothers eyes.
UT, as a board owner, needs to make a decision, ban da bitch or ignore her. Otherwise you lose your authority. I'm all the way with Bruce here.
This is really really sad. I feel like I've wandered into a playground. I have never been less enamoured of the Cellar as I am right now.
You're all being fucking BABIES. All of you.
Fuckin' stop, already.
Sounds like I should be glad I've only read page four.
i'd sure like to see UT's original post. you know - the one about the subject in the thread title?
I wish the thread title subject was being discussed. The original post was pretty damn interesting.
... i can, and frequently do, ignore all posts made by some individuals ...
Yeah, me too. Why bother, with some people.
Something about how newly appointed chair Rep. Reyes did not know that al Qaeda is made up mostly of Sunnis, and tw did.
Yeah, me too. Why bother, with some people.
aimed at me? either way - it's all good. this place is supposed to be a source of entertainment - why go around being pissed about it?
UT, as a board owner, needs to make a decision, ban da bitch or ignore her.
You have just defined the essence of the problem. UT's dilemma.
We Cellar Dwellars have one option that UT does not have: the ignore switch. I put the dingbat on my ignore list after her last self-centered, passive-aggressive maelstrom and found a way to enjoy the Cellar without her annoying presence. Ironically, UT - as the board admin - does not have that option so he is forced to confront and be confronted by whatever she posts. He cannot "look the other way" or pretend not to see it. He
has to look at it. All of it.
Secondly, UT chooses not to ban her. Why? He'll have to answer that but my theory after hanging out here for a couple years is that he puts her right to post (on
his board) above his own right not to be offended or deliberately tormented by someone posting on
his board.
That's the kind of person UT is. That's the kind of person who just got ran off of his own board. And just as soon as he left, she left. Why? I'll leave that question for the reader to answer. I think I already know.
Now, with the board in shambles, even
our ignore button doesn't work. Now we know what UT feels like. No. We don't. Only if this were our house would we.
I don't expect everyone to appreciate or understand my visceral summation of Marichiko. I also don't expect that everyone will understand exactly what just happened. It is sufficient to know that UT feels like he can't even enjoy what he himself has created - one of the finest meeting places on the entire internet. And that, moreso even than the smoldering ruin Marichiko has reduced this place to - albeit temporarily - is the real tragedy here.
If she has even one sliver of respect for UT or for the latitude she was granted before he reached the limits of human endurance, she will never darken the door of this fine establishment again. Ever.
Well said B !!!
I say if you can't stand her and what she had to say ban her , if you question any thing she ( ?? ) had to say delete her comments and or content ,
Your sand box , your world , do as you see fit UT !!
You don't exersize the power that often but if she is offending you that much , BLOW HER THE FUCK OFF !!!!
Your sand box , your world , do as you see fit UT !!
Hey...making a statement similar to this got me banned from one board. Admittedly I did say that it was a dictatorship, but in essence, that's what i meant. The bloke who pays the bills ultimately gets to decide what to do and who stays...regardless of who likes it and who doesn't.
This situation is different. :violin:
Marichiko is secretly in love with Undertoad and UT knows it! :joylove:
Mari, OTOH, knows that she could never come between Undertoad and his first love ... The Cellar. :heart-on:
UT is torn between two lovers [Mari and The Cellar], feeling like a fool, and as xoB pointed out they're breaking all the rules. :rtfm:
After banning marichiko; then; reinstating her ... :hugnkiss: ... Undertoad knows that breaking up is hard to do. :boxers:
This is The Cellar presentation of Fatal Attraction. :comfort:
I'M RIVETED! :corn:
Marichiko won't be back.
I banned her.
Move along folks, nothing to see here.
Thanks Beestie, for posting the problem so eloquently. I believe it was you who understood it after the first ban. I admire your clarity, and when you really uncork a post, as you do from time to time, I am downright gay for you.
Thanks Bruce, for seeing the simplest and best solution for ALL involved,
including chiko.
I somewhat regret being the level of hardass that I am about it, but in my current state of mind, I prefer honesty to politeness for the sake of being nice.
I would never ban someone just because they were intolerably irritating to me personally.
The subject of my original post is now being discussed in this thread:
http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=12740aimed at me?
Nononononono. Absolutely not. Just saying that I do the same thing, and skip certain posts, by certain posters. There are some people here who I won't invest the time to read. Just tain't worth it - and I did say taint.;)
hehehehe - he said taint... :blush:
I put the dingbat on my ignore list after her last self-centered, passive-aggressive maelstrom and found a way to enjoy the Cellar without her annoying presence.
Demonstrated is a difference between some of us. Some have so much contempt for opinion based upon emotion as to not need an ignore list - and not care. A difference between those who think using logic and those who cannot diverse themselves from silly emotions - the need for an ignore list.
Is that an insult? Again, depends whether or not you can think logically and see the point; or think emotionally and then take insult. Read anyone and everyone's posts. Do not do so is a first step to being a racist, promote hate, and to not see and ask of other's perspectives. To not read all only reinforces thinking based in emotion.
We were watching a classic example of the forces in domestic violence. More useful would have been more gasoline because the silliness of those emotions and resulting petty posts would play out for all to see.
Nothing in this thread justified the banning of anyone. But then not all could be so logical as to also see George Jr outrightly and intentionally lying. Both are perfect benchmarks of thinking without emotion. A benchmark for each lurker to learn whether he/she can think logically or are manipulated by their silly emotions. (Same silly emotions make Oprah so popular.) Those who think logically had no opinion of this thread other than see both silliness and pettiness. What we really needed was more gasoline so that the thread had value - was entertainment.
I see. And what else did your Mr. Spock doll tell you?
I see. And what else did your Mr. Spock doll tell you?
It is the difference between greater leaders of men verses those who are first to run when the gunfire starts. Hathcock defines it as the difference between those who can be a sniper verses those who wash out quickly. But then what do I know. I only read those who do the work, who have been there, and have seen how people really are when shit starts flying. Gasoline (not censorship) was what this thread really needed. Then we would have seen what people were really made of. Thats Entertainment.
This thread ain't even the tip of the top of the iceberg, t.
That's what Bush said about Iraq. :p
Nothing in this thread justified the banning of anyone. But then not all could be so logical as to also see George Jr outrightly and intentionally lying.
seriously, how do you do it? you can use any and every thread as an excuse to paste in the same words that you have already used in every other thread.
This thread ain't even the tip of the top of the iceberg, t.
That's right. The iceberg should never exist because everyone in this board is supposed to be adult. That means your emotions need not appear. Adults learn to not care. Adults are logical and tolerant of the children. Adults read everything and respond only logically.
Children get emotional. Adults who remain children then do silly things like need carry concealed guns, pit bulls, insult others, and need other symbols of their manliness such as sex without condoms or imposing their religious beliefs on others.
And so I desperately wanted gasoline. More insults and drunken posts would have been useful. It would have been great entertainment - and an example to others of what happens when adults insist their emotions have credibility.
Remember what started this thread. Policitians could not even reply with facts. Emotion was added in irrelevant posts later. Politicians who are supposed to be leaders did not even have dirt under their fingernails - could not answer with an honest grasp of reality.
It is both fun and educational to watch the children play in nursery school - as they struggle to learn what is necessary to be an adult. Unfortunately some forget that life means learning every day after graduating after nursery school. Learning to think logically and without emotional bias means learning every day. Emotions never once justifies anything - be it a war, illegal immigration, or censorship.
do you actually honestly think you are emotionless in your posting? can you honestly say that you read anyone's posts except to look for an opening to drop your re-posts?
What is the value of life without emotion? Unemotional?!?!?!? You have got to be kidding me. Emotions like desire, hate and love need to exist. Otherwise there is no point in life. Good gracious - aren't happiness and enjoyment emotions? tw, you and I strongly disagreed on many things during our last exchanges in other posts, but I respect your right to FEEL or BELIEVE the way you do. I too, also have the right to disagree.
I found and read this thread in its entirety for the first time tonight and was appalled, embarrassed and proud to be a member of the cellar. All of you with such diverse views and opinions are a bunch of awesome people - I just wish I had been around longer to fully comprehend what the hell happened.
I also wonder how close I must have come to being banned and for that I am very sorry to all of you. I apologize. I'm truly very sorry :(
do you actually honestly think you are emotionless in your posting? can you honestly say that you read anyone's posts except to look for an opening to drop your re-posts?
E=mc^2.
Clearly that is no longer correct because it is a repost. Is that your logic?
Funny thing about history. The one who did not get all hot and bothered using 'them verses us' hype accurately disagreed with the majority about Kuwait and accurately disagreed with the majority about "Mission Accomplished". How can that be? One of us routinely ignored the emotional hype to first see facts. One of us also had no problem with any posts from marichiko or april. However this same one had serious problem with their censorship when it was based in emotional bias - not in anything logical. In each case, where is the logical justification stated?
Others had posted obvious spam. They were banned - and rightly so because the censorship was based in logic. Can you tell the difference between emotion and logic? One reason why posts are longer (when they are not factious) is that I post reasons with those posts. No reasons? Then I am no different than a scumbag named Limbaugh. Meanwhile. lookout123 - explain why a repost of the same idea makes the concept wrong? It does only if you are posting propaganda spin without supporting facts and examples.
I see no logical fact posted that justified so much hate of marichiko. I see plenty of emotion. I can grasp one fact that might justify the censorship. But I have yet to see anyone post that justification.
Can you honestly say that you read anyone's posts except to look for an opening to drop your re-posts?
E=mc^2. Clearly that is no longer correct because it is a repost. Is that your logic?
No. His logic is that you don't read anyone else's posts and just post the same thing in every single thread in which you participate. His logic is quite correct. As you just proved.
lookout123 - explain why a repost of the same idea makes the concept wrong?
explain to me why reposting them over and over is proof of their accuracy. oh nevermind - i just remembered that in the last couple of years, you have not answered one single question i've asked of you.
but, i don't think i questioned the accuracy of your statements - that is a different debate. what i question is why you choose to use every single thread as a place to drop the same post - regardless of the original thread topic. something about everything looking like a nail to a guy who's only got a hammer?
you claim that you and you alone have the superior skills that enable you to utilize the "ONE RIGHT WAY"[SIZE="1"]patent pending[/SIZE] in analyzing info. you seem to think that you discuss things without emotion, yet you are usually one of the first to stoop to personal insults and name calling if everyone doesn't immediately say "shit, why didn't i think of that? why did i even think about posting before asking tw what the truth was??"
seriously get over yourself. you might actually win people over to your way of thinking if you considered that people who don't always agree with you might not be inferior to you. *gasp* just a thought.
Under the heading of "tw can't edit": verses for versus, more than once. Tw does not know English. Except distantly.
Lookout, ever given sufficient thought to the idea you might be superior by a long chalk to the Cellar's resident Soviet Communist and number one anti-Americanist? I put it that way because he seems to make a hobby of it.
I see. And what else did your Mr. Spock doll tell you?
OMG - I just pissed myself I was laughing so hard.
I see no logical fact posted that justified so much hate of marichiko. I see plenty of emotion. I can grasp one fact that might justify the censorship. But I have yet to see anyone post that justification.
Funny, I would think you of all people would have a problem with being repeatedly lied to.
Most of the accusations of lying were pretty weak.
Under the heading of "tw can't edit": verses for versus, more than once. Tw does not know English. Except distantly.
Lookout, ever given sufficient thought to the idea you might be superior by a long chalk to the Cellar's resident Soviet Communist and number one anti-Americanist? I put it that way because he seems to make a hobby of it.
Speaking of reposts...:p
Most of the accusations of lying were pretty weak.
I guess you believe she can put a staple through a specific mailbox lock at 5 paces.
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I guess you believe she can put a staple through a specific mailbox lock at 5 paces.
Anybody can, if it's an accident.
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It was a road flare.
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this, i'm convinced, was from an episode of Little House on the Prairie.
wtf? why are you hitching your wagon to her like this happymonkey?
I'm not. I'm hitching it against stupid bans.
you keep sniping like that then. let me know how it works out for you.
Look, she's fuckin' gone now, for better or for worse, drop it people.
you keep sniping like that then. let me know how it works out for you.
Whatever.
HM, it's your reputation. I know you're familiar with staple guns. If you stood in front of a wall of mailboxes, a few feet away, and shot at them,
1) What are the probabilities that the staple remains in "bars out" position during its flight?
1a) If it doesn't, what are the probabilities that it strikes the wall in "bars out" position?
2) If it does, what are the probabilities that the staple flies directly into the mailbox of your arch-enemy and someone whom you believe to be a physical danger to you... even if you aimed it directly?
3) If it does, what are the probabilities that it flies in with so much force that it can't be removed?
4) Played again, why can't you see it?
no one is making you read this thread, jr.
appalled, embarrassed and proud to be a member of the cellar(
There's your new user title, man. Sweet!
If someone shoots a BB at the floor in an open-air range, what are the chances that it hits me right in the eye, on one riccochet with enough force to be extremely painful, but not quite enough for permanent damage? I dunno, pretty low, but it happened anyway. I guess it's pretty convenient for me that I can't prove it, since my eye is OK now, and I covered up the incident, to keep the shooter out of trouble.
As for the staple, I didn't say it was likely. But 3) is pretty likely if it goes in; locks are bumpy enough on the inside to make removal difficult. And it doesn't have to go in "bars forward", just "bars forward, back, up, or down, but not left or right".
Likely? No. But lots of things aren't likely.
HM, after all that has happened, I'm dumbstruck that you could think the ban was avoidable. If nothing else, implicit in your assumption is the idea that XOB is trigger-happy and you know that ain't right.
Which is it? Do you think the Cellar was a better place with her in it or that banning her violated some inalienable right she has to post on someone else's board?
A BB is as perfectly round as they can manufacture it, partly so that it travels through the air and maintains a high rate of speed and accuracy, and the force of a BB gun is intended to make the round travel 50 feet or something, and strike a target, so... yeah...
A staple gun does not produce enough force to go through a single sheet of newspaper at six inches. It does not produce enough force to go through a sheet of tissue at two feet. Try it. I just did, using my Craftsman Heavy Duty Dual Action with 1/2" heavy duty staples.
Maybe this is an airplane/treadmill problem. The reason a staple gun staples is not because it propels the staple forward at a high rate of speed. The reason a staple gun staples is because there's a big piece of metal, driven by a spring, pushing the staple into what you're stapling.
You can't accidentally staple something by shooting at it with a staple gun. Try it. The staple gun is not actually a gun.
4) Played again, why can't you see it?
I don't have a particular opinion one way or another about how likely that scenario is. For all I know she might have bunged the thing in with a hammer.
But, do you think that she is the only one who ever lied in the Cellar? I don't have anything in particular in mind, but I'm guessing no. Certainly she's made some bad life choices, but she's also not the only one on the Cellar who's done that.
I admit that there's a lot of the Cellar I don't read, so I might have missed something else. But I have to say that like HM, I don't get it.
A staple gun does not produce enough force to go through a single sheet of newspaper at six inches. It does not produce enough force to go through a sheet of tissue at two feet.
That depends on how much hot air is behind it. In this particular case, I think the extra energy would easily permit the staple to penetrate a two-inch thick sheet of polymer-reinforced titanium like it was a stick of warm butter.
A staple gun does not produce enough force to go through a single sheet of newspaper at six inches.
Um, a staple doesn't have to pierce anything to get stuck in a lock.
Which is it? Do you think the Cellar was a better place with her in it
Yes.
HM, you're suggesting that coconuts migrate.
I never thought that the staple actually pierced the lock. I can see why people might be so certain it was a lie if that's what they thought. I thought the staple went into the keyhole and got stuck.
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This'll probably be available in another hour or so. The Divx version is available for download
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I never thought that the staple actually pierced the lock. I can see why people might be so certain it was a lie if that's what they thought. I thought the staple went into the keyhole and got stuck.
really? really, really? you believed that? honestly?
I went around with my staple gun and my fliers and I posted a flyer in front of the post office and then went in to check my mail. Well, as fate would have it, the ax murder's PO Box is in the row right above mine. When I walked in this afternoon, the postal workers had gone home for the day and no one else was in the post office. I had my handy staple gun in my hip pocket, and I whipped it out and pretended to be Annie Oakley and shot at the ax murderer's box.
Well, damned if I didn't score a direct bull's eye! The staple went right into the key hole of his box. Now, I am not a good shot and the odds of this happening must have been a zillion to one.
I stood there for a moment dazzled by my excellent shooting skills until I realized its probably a Federal crime to tamper with someone's post office box. So I went over and tried to pry the staple out. It was in there good! I tugged at it and it finally snapped off with part of the staple still in the key hole.
The ax murderer is not going to be able to open his box on Monday, and I will be the prime suspect. This wouldn't bother me but for the fact that the post office might have one of those closed circuit cameras like ATM's do and what if my Calamity Jane stunt got caught on video?
isn;t it much more likely that she was trying to pick the lock?
Hey, whaddaya know. I was right. She said the staple went into the keyhole. Its piercing power is irrelevant.
As to whether it's true, or if there's another story that might be more likely if you take some of her story at face value but not all of it, who knows? Not us.
There's your new user title, man. Sweet!
Thanks, Spode I never even thought of it till now. Perhaps I haven't been banned, but I'll bet I got on a bunch of ignores cuz of tw & BMW. Geez I gotta start paying closer attention or else :worried:
Hey, whaddaya know. I was right. She said the staple went into the keyhole. Its piercing power is irrelevant.
for it to get into the keyhole well enough to jam, the piercing power would be relevant. i can;t believe we're actually debating this. you're very retarded for a genius.
this actually is the crux of the matter to me. it wasn;t that she was a big fat liar, or a drama queen or professional victim. what always made me nuts was the way you suckers fell for her shit time after time. it makes me a little batty.
3:35, tedious, but it makes the point.
I agree with the point it makes- it's unlikely. But I agreed with that already.
Take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard
:bolt: :dedhorse:
The sound is all off so I'm redoing it. It was fun to shoot.
for it to get into the keyhole well enough to jam, the piercing power would be relevant.
No, it just has to go in in such a way that it's not easily grabbed. An attempt to pry it out could then actually jam it.
yeah, and monkeys might fly outta my butt
Take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard
:bolt: :dedhorse:
you shuddup. joint the argument, or don't. this is therapy, cock. it's important. why don't you go
not talk about it with Ibram.
This argument has no conclusion - there can be no Absolute PROOF to any of the questions.
Is it unlikely that it happened? - Yes
Is there any chance it could have happened? - Yes
Odds it did not happen? - Really friggin High.
Did she probably try to pick the lock - Perhaps, but none of these questions can be definitively answered and therefore it really doesn't matter. I think she's gone cuz she created what you guys are doing right now - She was a devisive force here. Lets take whatever positives we can from it and move on.
He can not speak of it with me! We'll just store it deep inside under pressure and heat until this big pile of shit is a glittering diamond. Yeah a lovely diamond.:yelgreedy
This argument has no conclusion - there can be no Absolute PROOF to any of the questions.
Is it unlikely that it happened? - Yes
Is there any chance it could have happened? - Yes
Odds it did not happen? - Really friggin High.
Did she probably try to pick the lock - Perhaps, but none of these questions can be definitively answered and therefore it really doesn't matter. I think she's gone cuz she created what you guys are doing right now - She was a devisive force here. Lets take whatever positives we can from it and move on.
dude. moving on happens AFTER resolution. i can't explain it to you without sounding like a dick. just trust that there is something going on here that needs to happen. so stop trying to sound wise and adult and telling people to stop fighting. fighting can be good.
see, i sounded like a dick to you anyway.
People lie. People embellish. People have wierd shit happen to them. Sometimes all three can be present in a single story. It wasn't mari creating division, it was mari and all of the people who chose to get so upset over what may or may not have been fantasies. People leapt right in at every given opportunity to slag her off the second she opened her mouth and that's been going on as long as I've been coming into the Cellar.
So what if she wasn't totally honest (she may have been, there's no way to know). Is that how you'd have treated Walter Mitty? Is this how someone gets treated if their lives are tragic enough to make them trip out on fantasies?
Many times, I saw posts of Mari's that had fuck all to do with 'whining' and everything to do with making political points and observations through first hand experience. Those posts were met with a hail of criticism and personal insults which she defended, next thing is all hell's broken loose.
Don't blame Mari for being divisive, blame yourselves (ourselves) for allowing the mob mentality to hold sway. At any time, any one of us could have just not posted the attack, not taken the argument on. We did this, not mari.
DanaC and Happy Monkey are sweet hearted people.:heart-on:
The sound is all off so I'm redoing it. It was fun to shoot.
good excercise too. you sounded almost winded by the end of the strip
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The first two times the staple gets stuck, it gets stuck on the outside ring of the lock. I could have sat there all day from 1 - 2 inches away, and shot at it. There just isn't enough force for it to stick that way. I should add that every post office box I've ever seen has a lock pretty much flush with the surface of the box. That makes it that much more than impossible. My "lock" overhangs so there is space for the other staple prong to hang over the edge of the lock.
Yes, this is overkill.
Is this how someone gets treated if their lives are tragic enough to make them trip out on fantasies?
Maybe like a logic puzzle --
If you believe that some of her
posts are fantasy,
and everything you know of her condition is from her
posts,
what can you say
with certainty about her condition?
Is it charity to simply believe her? No, because our charity requires skepticism, otherwise everyone would claim victimhood and our charity would not keep up with demand. Charity to charlatans is charity we can no longer afford to those who deserve it.
Is it charity to ignore her? I can't imagine how that is a charitable response.
I should add that every post office box I've ever seen has a lock pretty much flush with the surface of the box.
That's not relevant if the staple goes into the keyhole, without anything hanging out.
Is it charity to simply believe her? No, because our charity requires skepticism, otherwise everyone would claim victimhood and our charity would not keep up with demand.
Charity? That's not a bit arrogant. Civility on the other hands costs nothing. It's an internet forum. It's a wonderful thing, but it really doesn't shake the world, if someone posts stuff you don't believe. Why does it matter?
That's not relevant if the staple goes into the keyhole, without anything hanging out.
not what she stated. besides, have you ever seen a keyhole? not the ones they draw in cartoons, now. an actual keyhole? POB keyholes are very uniform. small, tight fit, and decidedly un staple shaped.
I'd go so far as to say that you probably couldn't insert a stple into a PO box manually (without bending it) in such a way that it became lodged tight enough to break off when you attempted to extract it.
this is all smoke anyway. i refuse to believe that you believe it. you;re obviously trying to make some subtle point. why not just come out and say it?
There ya go, since apparently we're on CSI now: the length of the standard PO Box lock is smaller than the width of the smallest available staple gun staple.
Charity? That's not a bit arrogant. Civility on the other hands costs nothing. It's an internet forum. It's a wonderful thing, but it really doesn't shake the world, if someone posts stuff you don't believe. Why does it matter?
because then the only real thing about this place is unreal.
not what she stated.
She said it went in the hole, and she had to pry it out. If it was just hanging out, she wouldn't have had to pry.
besides, have you ever seen a keyhole? not the ones they draw in cartoons, now. an actual keyhole? POB keyholes are very uniform. small, tight fit, and decidedly un staple shaped.
Real keyholes are more staple shaped than cartoon ones - small rectangles. I just stuck a staple halfway into a desk lock without bending it, but it got caught on something when I pulled it out, and bent slightly.
For fucks sake! This is the most ridiculous juvenile discussion I've ever had the misfortune to read.
She's gone. Those of you who wanted her gone should be happy. Not still buying into what you all continually suggested was her attention seeking ways. She's fucking gone, so just fucking shut the hell up and move on.
From what I can see on this thread, the people who've had their own way are the ones proving that they did provoke and create most of the problems associated with this banning.
Who gives a rats hairy arse if the staple got stuck or it didn't? Who cares if she's a pathological liar? Who cares if you hate her guts?
It would seem to me that the only people who care that much about those particular questions are those of you who wanted her gone, and guess what??? She's gone, so now you'll never know.
GET OVER IT!!!
so, what are you trying to say?
You having problems understanding again lj?
If she didn't create the uproar, then someone else will soon be a victim as it is just the nature of the community.
You can tell by all the other people who have been similarly treated.
Oh, nobody else has ever been treated that way in 16 years of the Cellar's operation?
Huh.
There's always a first time for everything UT. As much as I respect the way you run this site and think it's a great place, I don't agree with the decisions that have been made here and I do believe the woman has been 'run off' whether she was banned or not.
Maybe it was right for her to be banned, for the sake of the rest of the community. Certainly the libertarians among us would think so, however, there are others here who have demonstrated the lengths they will go to in order to get their own way, and it doesn't bode well for the future in my opinion.
How does this affect me? It'll make me think twice about sharing my opinions when these people are involved simply because if they don't like it, they'll just keep going till they get their own way again.
Who knows, maybe I'll be next.
What I hear from you is that you need this thread to continue so that we can explore why what you think is not the case.
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If you want [COLOR=red]honesty[/COLOR], I was banned becaused UT and LJ took a dislike to me.
you misspelled dillusion
Why didn't Buddha cross the road?
Because he was already on the other side.
138 posts regarding a post no-one else ever saw?
jeez, not even AG got this anal.
There's always a first time for everything UT. As much as I respect the way you run this site and think it's a great place, I don't agree with the decisions that have been made here and I do believe the woman has been 'run off' whether she was banned or not.
Maybe it was right for her to be banned, for the sake of the rest of the community. Certainly the libertarians among us would think so, however, there are others here who have demonstrated the lengths they will go to in order to get their own way, and it doesn't bode well for the future in my opinion.
How does this affect me? It'll make me think twice about sharing my opinions when these people are involved simply because if they don't like it, they'll just keep going till they get their own way again.
Who knows, maybe I'll be next.
I think you share the very thoughts of more than a few however I do think UT and Bruce are good men and am giving the benefit of the doubt.
This benefit of the doubt does not extend to LJ because he has proven he is as emotionally troubled or worse than Mari ever could think to be. [edit] To say only part of the problem was banned. He was just as guilty for ratcheting up problems. Ban him too.
If you were pissed off at someone and stuffed staples in their mailbox lock (a federal offense), would you admit it on the board? Or make up a far fetched story to let everyone know you did it, but cover your ass by saying it was really an accident?
And if you read that far fetched story and decided it was not true, does that make your next paycheck smaller? Or make you not get any Christmas presents? Or make your lawn turn brown? Does it really have any effect on you at all? I think not.
Once you have determined she's a liar, why bother reading her threads at all? Why waste your time when you know you're not going to believe what you read, and certainly won't see any entertainment value?
Pull the wings off bugs that don't have apparent value to you?:eyebrow:
I think you share the very thoughts of more than a few however I do think UT and Bruce are good men and am giving the benefit of the doubt.
This benefit of the doubt does not extend to LJ because he has proven he is as emotionally troubled or worse than Mari ever could think to be. [edit] To say only part of the problem was banned. He was just as guilty for ratcheting up problems. Ban him too.
you're going to have to do it the hard way, crazy chick. the trick is to catch me in some big whopper of a lie, and just harp on it forever. but be careful, i'm the big playground bully....i'll take your lunchmoney.
besides, we already had a vote, and i got to stay.
[COLOR="Silver"][SIZE="1"]can't we all just get along?[/SIZE][/COLOR]
If you were pissed off at someone and stuffed staples in their mailbox lock (a federal offense), would you admit it on the board? Or make up a far fetched story to let everyone know you did it, but cover your ass by saying it was really an accident?
An adult does not care. Where are the thousand of death American troops or sexually molested kid because of this story? An adult does not care about that story.
ouch
Ouch implies emotion. If you think anything posted was intended to cause pain, then look into your own emotions for that bias. I post with no regard to how your emotions will perceive the statements. Its called being blunt and honest - and with contempt for any need to be politically correct. What was posted was facts. Adults don't let petty discussions affect them - not for one minute. Examples to follow-
Let's see how quick I can get banned. "Yes, Virginia, there really is a Santa Clause" . Clearly that is also a lie worthy of censorship.
Who gives a rats hairy arse if the staple got stuck or it didn't?
So many posts dispute whether a staple can be in a lock! It could just as easily been a story line from Benny Hill or Mister Bean. Clearly Hill and Bean also should be banned so they will not lie. Santa Clause lies to kids. Another liar that should be banned before he can post. Yes, this post is now becomes as adult as accusations about the staple and lock.
Quoted above are authors who posted using intelligence - not using hate.
isn;t it much more likely that she was trying to pick the lock?
Maybe yes. Maybe no. Either answer says no adult cares. Why do you so hate her? – begging Lumberjim to make a logical reply. (BTW Lumberjim did the same thing to april - for those who were not here for that deja vue event.)
This benefit of the doubt does not extend to LJ because he has proven he is as emotionally troubled or worse than Mari ever could think to be. … He was just as guilty for ratcheting up problems. Ban him too.
If censorship was based in consistent logic, then yes, skyshidhe is embarrassingly accurate. Those who can divorce their emotions would appreciate why adult responses such as skysidhe's, et al are quoted.
No logical fact posted justified so much hate of marichiko. I can grasp one fact that might justify the censorship. But I have yet to see anyone post that justification. Posted instead are vindictive or juvenile emotions that justify hate. Yes this is a discussion of and contains examples of adults who are still children.
Ban Hill and Bean.
No logical fact posted justified so much hate of marichiko. I can grasp one fact that might justify the censorship. But I have yet to see anyone post that justification. Posted instead are vindictive or juvenile emotions that justify hate. Yes this is a discussion of and contains examples of adults who are still children.
Hate implies emotion. If you think anything posted was hateful, then look into your own emotions for that bias. I post with no regard to how your emotions will perceive the statements. Its called being blunt and honest - and with contempt for any need to be politically correct. What was posted was opinions. Adults don't let petty discussions affect them - not for one minute.
Ouch implies emotion.
And disdain IS emotion.
If she didn't create the uproar, then someone else will soon be a victim as it is just the nature of the community.
You can tell by all the other people who have been similarly treated.
Oh, nobody else has ever been treated that way in 16 years of the Cellar's operation?
Huh.
ME ...and LJ has treated several other women badly.
(BTW Lumberjim did the same thing to april - for those who were not here for that deja vue event.)
You allow LJ to bully people he choses too. He does so constantly. He's the one that causes trouble even by his own admission. [COLOR="DarkRed"]Look what he said here[/COLOR].
[COLOR="Red"]the trick is to catch me in some big whopper of a lie, and just harp on it forever[/COLOR].
stop harping LJ.
UT, Please Tell him to stop calling me a crazy chick and people will be on your side otherwise you will look just look like LJs pawn again AND He will continue to look just as guilty as mari because he will continue to harp on another woman which is his method of operation and your prophecy becomes something of fact meaning mari didn't cause this. LJ did or at least
HE MUST SHARE IN THE BLAME.
If I ignore his taunts I am ok? When a person fights back, like mari, they are labeled as a problem ? but the self proclaimed bully gets to stay?
crazy chick. the trick is to catch me in some big whopper of a lie, and just harp on it forever. but be careful, i'm the big playground bully....i'll take your lunchmoney.
besides, we already had a vote, and i got to stay.
Read what he says. Use logic and not emotion. He harps on someone forever until UT bans them or they are driven off. He said it not me.
Quoted above are authors who posted using intelligence - not using hate. Maybe yes. Maybe no. [COLOR="Red"]Either answer says no adult cares. Why do you so hate her? – begging Lumberjim to make a logical reply. [/COLOR] (BTW Lumberjim did the same thing to april - for those who were not here for that deja vue event.)
If censorship was based in consistent logic, then yes, skyshidhe is embarrassingly accurate. Those who can divorce their emotions would appreciate why adult responses such as skysidhe's, et al are quoted.
THANK YOU FOR LOGIC TW
Quoted above are authors who posted using intelligence - not using hate. Maybe yes. Maybe no. Either answer says no adult cares. Why do you so hate her? – begging Lumberjim to make a logical reply. (BTW Lumberjim did the same thing to april - for those who were not here for that deja vue event.)
logical reply coming right up:
point 1: april was a psycho who told huge lies.
action: I,
and a few others, called her on it. she went crazy, got banned
point 2: marichiko was a big liar who was a little psycho
action: jinx busted her posting with an alias in support of herself, I,
and a few others, beat her up for it... she told more lies, went crazy and got banned.
times 2
in both cases, tw attempted to lay it solely at my feet.
conclusion: tw is still pissed off about that time i accused him of putting large vegetables up his ass and wearing womens underwear.
mmmmmmmmmmmmm........logic
i don;t hate marichiko, tw.....you one trick pony. i don't frequently post with emotion.
i make people laugh. it;s all i ever wanted. so i have an evil sense of humor. is that so wrong?
and sky, i think you're cute. don;t get all bent. you;re a sweetheart. don;t let me get to you. i'm just funnin' ya. cute-crazy is much better than dangerous to yourself and others-crazy like marichiko.
and in closing, i'd like to say.............fashizzel
HAHAHAHA! "Adults don't let petty discussions affect them - not for one minute." Calling me a cunt, an attention whore, a liar, etc. was not in the least hateful. Personally, those words made me feel alll warm and fuzzy inside. You claim to be be an adult, why did "petty discussiions" cause you and Jinx tc campaign for banning me? you contradict yourself.
You have no balls. As ayoung man, you sold stereo/electronics equipment of questionable quality to suckers in parking lots. You lean on UT to make this board a very unpleasant place for certain people, you are infamous for your crude language and cruder jokes, you go up to the men's room at work and watch your staff bang customer's wives; you are one of the biggest mysogynists I have ever seen on the web, you think obscene and mean=funny, and you pay UT plenty of money so you can stick around being a paid troll.
That's my, bluint, honest pollitiically incorrect opinion. Why are yoiu allowed to express it, but I an NOT? Just what sort of hold do you have over Tony, anyway? What makes YOU so speciall?
show me one post where i called for you to be banned. just one. i said i wanted you to fuck off. there's a difference.
i send tony $30 per month to support the cellar. $15 from me, $15 from jinx
i did the stereo thing for two or three weeks when i was 18
i love women.
i honestly care about the people here. i love them. i think you;re a sick fuck that lies to them and i want to show it to them. i make it unpleasant for certain people that suck.
oh, and i have 2 balls. big ones. no, really, they're pretty big.
and lastly, you quoted me quoting tw. dummy.
well fashizzle manizzle !
I got to quote that before he takes it back. Oh boy am I a sucker for sweet talk.
yeah I know he's blowing smoke up my butt :blunt:
and sky, i think you're cute. don;t get all bent. you;re a sweetheart. don;t let me get to you. i'm just funnin' ya.
LJ is a major, major fuckhead, a total jerk, a complete prick...
But we all (well, MOST of us) LOVE him for it. He's hilarious, witty, cruel, and merciless, in all the right ways. He's great when he's not skewering you, and if youve got a sense of humour at all, still funny even then.
And disdain IS emotion.
So where is the disdain: as in extreme contempt or disgust for something or somebody? If disdain was posted, you would know it by personal attacks. I am not subtle and I associate political correctness with outright lying. Where is this disdain? It should be obvious.
Any post is read regardless of the poster. If I had disdain, then I would also have an ignore list. Never had one. Never even thought of creating one. Don't understand why anyone needs an ignore list. Have not a clue why some get so emotional as to need an ignore list.
Logic still says those actions were not typical of adults. Adults don't let silly emotion cause disdain of Marichiko. Logic says that her posts could have been regarded from many perspectives - including as a preliminary sketch for the next Mr Bean movie. Mr Bean would also get a staple stuck in a lock. So now we accuse Mr Bean of lying about that story? So now we must post disdain of Mr Bean?
Disdain is demonstrated by comments intentionally directed at the personality of marichiko – including ridiculous posts condemning the staple and lock. The adult, in a same emotional perspective, would have simply ignored her stories and moved on. But hate was so great that some just could not ignore her. That was disdain.
Curiously, lumberjim posts the same disdain for marichiko as he did for april. Go read it. Tell me what April did to deserve his obvious disdain? Skysidhe repeatedly (and others previously) post valid and logical points. Are they also posting disdain?
can't we all just get along?
It really is not that hard to be adult. But it does mean actions are first predictated by simply questions such as 'why do I think this'? I keep asking that question and keep getting a same answer.
No logical fact posted justified so much hate of marichiko. I can grasp one fact that might justify the censorship. But I have yet to see anyone post that justification.
So where is the disdain: as in extreme contempt or disgust for something or somebody? If disdain was posted, you would know it by personal attacks. I am not subtle and I associate political correctness with outright lying. Where is this disdain? It should be obvious.
Any post is read regardless of the poster. If I had disdain, then I would also have an ignore list. Never had one. Never even thought of creating one. Don't understand why anyone needs an ignore list. Have not a clue why some get so emotional as to need an ignore list.
Logic still says those actions were not typical of adults. Adults don't let silly emotion cause disdain of Marichiko. Logic says that her posts could have been regarded from many perspectives - including as a preliminary sketch for the next Mr Bean movie. Mr Bean would also get a staple stuck in a lock. So now we accuse Mr Bean of lying about that story? So now we must post disdain of Mr Bean?
Disdain is demonstrated by comments intentionally directed at the personality of marichiko – including ridiculous posts condemning the staple and lock. The adult, in a same emotional perspective, would have simply ignored her stories and moved on. But hate was so great that some just could not ignore her. That was disdain.
Curiously, lumberjim posts the same disdain for marichiko as he did for april. Go read it. Tell me what April did to deserve his obvious disdain? Skysidhe repeatedly (and others previously) post valid and logical points. Are they also posting disdain? It really is not that hard to be adult. But it does mean actions are first predictated by simply questions such as 'why do I think this'? I keep asking that question and keep getting a same answer.
dude, you're insane. get help
the definition of insanity is repeating the same action and expecting to get different results, right?
I keep asking that question and keep getting a same answer.
it's illogical.
oh, and mr bean is a fictional character, babe
logical reply coming right up:
point 1: april was a psycho who told huge lies.
And an adult could not ignore that - must instead attack? Thank you lumberjim for demonstrating what others have defined. No wonder you declared war on the cat rather than spend some money on a trash can. Is that disdain? Is that a personal attack? Not either. It is a statement that also explains why you feel justified to personally attack others. 'Bully' is acceptable behavior?
Funny how you obviously celebrate your victories over April and Marichiko. Santa Claus lies to kids. He says he brings them toys. Do you also attack Santa Claus for lying? What exactly is your logic?
So where is the disdain: as in extreme contempt or disgust for something or somebody? If disdain was posted, you would know it by personal attacks.
tw, disdain is your m.o. I don't think it's a bad thing, necessarily--but you apparently think it is, because it's a display of emotion.
Emotion does not equal childishness, as you stress. It equals human.
no, man. the cat is alive and kickin. i got a bigger trash can. never hurt the cat.
i have no victory over april or marichiko. an adult would know this. only a child would react that way. an adult would realize that i never called for her to be banned. an adult only reads the facts, and does not read their personal preconceptions of childhood bullies from their past into someone's posts. an adult would recognize their own hipocrasy when they accuse someone of personal attacks, and then call thame a bully on the other side of the period.
ew. i think writing like you made me a little crazy. i feel an urge to go and shave my eyebrows off.
brb!
tw, disdain is your m.o.
That means I have "extreme contempt or disgust for something or somebody"?
Let's take three examples - Rumsfeld, McNamara, and Nixon. I am so obviously and strongly critical of all. However there are still things I have great respect for in each. The first two are great intellectual accomplishments. The first is just so pigheaded as to not be able to admit his mistakes. The second did admit his mistakes and moved on. (I also read his book in 1961(?) and easily got an A because he wrote with such clarity.) The third, well, there is a man with so few morals who could still become president and who could still see when another was wronged. Nixon clearly is on my short list for worst president of the US. And yet I don't see any extreme contempt or extreme disgust of the man. How could I see good (or intent to be good) in all three if I judged them using disdain?
ew. i think writing like you made me a little crazy. i feel an urge to go and shave my eyebrows off.
brb!
Step away from the short sentences! Use more exclamation points...and elipses--also run-on sentences, perhaps? :lol:
That means I have "extreme contempt or disgust for something or somebody"?
Let's take three examples - Rumsfeld, McNamara, and Nixon. I am so obviously and strongly critical of all. However there are still things I have great respect for in each. The first two are great intellectual accomplishments. The first is just so pigheaded as to not be able to admit his mistakes. The second did admit his mistakes and moved on. (I also read his book in 1961(?) and easily got an A because he wrote with such clarity.) The third, well, there is a man with so few morals who could still become president and who could still see when another was wronged. Nixon clearly is on my short list for worst president of the US. And yet I don't see any extreme contempt or extreme disgust of the man. How could I see good (or intent to be good) in all three if I judged them using disdain?
I mean, your responses to our comments often reek of disdain of our opinions. Again, it's not necessarily a bad thing; I'm just letting you know that you do show emotion, while at the same time criticizing us for doing it.
This isn't about emotion, it's about fairness, kindness and civility.
There are two possibilities: a) Mari told the truth, in which case she was hounded and made miserable and ultimately banned for no good reason; or b) Mari engaged in fantasy, in which case she was hounded and made miserable and banned for no good reason.
This is playground stuff guys. This is conscious bullying. Who's next? Or have we sated our communal desire for an enemy/victim/target ?
I've said it before, I'll say it again: I like Mari, she's clever and she's funny and she has had a hard time adjusting to some awful experiences. Sitting at the other end of a computer, I have no real way to know if everything she says is true and frankly that doesn't bother me. I happen to think she's as truthful as most people. But that's really not the point.
Most of you participating in this thread have not grasped the entire situation. Some, because you aren't familiar with it because you don't read all the threads. Some, because you don't remember all the history. Some, because you are too dense to understand it.
If you think this is bullying and not a response to bullying, which of the three categories do you fall into? If you think this is bad "emotional" behavior and not a response to bad "emotional" behavior, which of the three categories do you fall into?
I notice nobody gives a shit how I feel. I didn't set out to ban her, and in fact I didn't. Let's review.
Some time ago, I merely made a statement: I think you're disgusting, let's agree to not be in each other's threads. This agreement worked for quite some time. For all the "why can't you just ignore it" people, you fall into one of the three categories that didn't notice this period. My ability to ignore was absolutely phenomenal. I was stoic.
At one point she posted in one of my threads and I gave her the back of my hand. Stay out of my threads, bitch. She never had to say that to me because I never participated in her threads.
But still she set out to carefully violate that arrangement. She deleted the reply to me, second message of this thread, where she wrote a content-free post which ended in, effectively, "but I'm not supposed to post in your thread tee hee".
And I said, that's it, I've had it, I can't share this place with you; I won't post while you're here, it's just no
fun for me anymore. She planned her next post:
let's see, if UT's not going to post while I'm posting, what shall I post?
this.
Mind, she had not participated in the Word Assn thread in a year.
Tee hee!
Originally Posted by Undertoad
I notice nobody gives a shit how I feel.
:turd: ...... all better now? :eyebrow:
listen up you all - take a breath. i for one believe the cellar will be a better place without marichiko, but as of this point it isn't yet. right now, as it stands, Marichiko wins because everyone is still bickering and choosing up sides. not on an issue of significance, but over who likes who and who thinks the other person is a stupid poopy head.
Marichiko's defenders - as far as i can tell and i've been here the whole time marichiko was - she wasn't banned for her lies. (or alleged lies if you prefer) she was banned for the disruption she caused around here.
let me put it like this. if I at any point post something that causes cellarites to draw up sides and attack each other personally to the point that the cellar looks, sounds, and feels like every other pathetic BBS out there - I EXPECT TO BE BANNED. for the good of the community - whether or not my post was true or not.
UT and LJ. you know that certain people will always view Marichiko as a victim regardless of how well you present your case. instead of focusing on the ones arguing the point here, take note of how many aren't posting at all. either A) they agree with the resolution at this point, B) they are so disgusted they just want to put this behind them. either way, let it go. she's gone. the flames will die down and in awhile she will be remembered about as well as april.
TW. take your medication - reality is calling.
XOB - thanks for taking an action that obviously wasn't something you really wanted. you put the long term good of the cellar ahead of your personal preferences, proving once again that you are a stand up guy.
Everyone else - Here's your challenge - find something worth discussing and start a thread that will draw everyone there. the person who starts the most interesting thread will get one 8 x 10 autographed photo of LabRat's Ass.
XOB - thanks for taking an action that obviously wasn't something you really wanted. you put the long term good of the cellar ahead of your personal preferences, proving once again that you are a stand up guy.
Well said. I agree.
Justify, explain, etc...
I used to have this dog. Mangy little thing. He'd pee on my carpet, chew my furniture and puke in my underwear drawer. And he would bark. It was an annoying bark but made you feel sorry for it. Sort of like chewing tin foil while watching George Bush address the UN. No worse. It was so shrill and so grating that you could actually see space warping as the sound came out - sort of like looking at a sunset just above an open gas can. But he would only bark just as I was dozing off as though the switch was embedded in my eyelid.
Anyway, I let him hang around but told him to stay out of my bedroom. Which he did for a while. Then I caught him on my bed. Pinching a loaf on my pillow. Ears out, eyes bulging, back arched, tail up and BOOM! There it wuz. On my pillow. That I sewed with fabric that I bought. Smedley just looked at me and grinned and ran off before I could smack him with the paper.
So, one day, I sez to myself: "Self!?"
Then I said: "Whut?"
Then I said: "I'm gonna get rid of this dog!"
About that time, my neighbor dropped in to borrow my lawn mower. Again. I think he siphons the gas out of it and puts it in his car because there's never any gas in it when he brings it back. Come to think of it, he doesn't even have a yard. Where was I? Oh, yeah. Smedley.
So I told my neighbor that I'm up to here with Smedley and was going to drop him off at the pound.
"Whyfore, oh neighbor of mine?" He asked. "What'd Smedley ever do to you? C'mere Smedley -- ooochoooo coochie coochie coochie. Does your butt itch? scratch-scratch-scratch - leg thumping on floor - sly grin in my general direction - there -all better now."
"Y'know?" As he spoke, his eyebrows furled in judgement of me which, for a millisecond, gave me a shivering flashback to this picture I saw once of a medieval Bishop sternly administering the Inquisition of a man who had not expressed sufficient gratitude to his torturers for purging him of his sin. "His butt wouldn't itch like that if you let him sleep in your bedroom instead of wherever you let him stay." Smedley shot me a look of smug satisfaction that my neighbor didn't notice.
"But he craps on my bed and barks when I sleep and..." He stopped me.
"Put a plastic trash bag on your pillow and get some fucking earplugs for God's sake! What the hell is wrong with you?!?! He's just a dog like any other dog. You have thirty dogs. What's the difference?"
Stunned, I just looked at him with a mouth-open stare.
He continued and his expression lightened. "Not to change the subje... you ok?... but my TV is still out. And did you remember to set your TiVo for The UN/Harvard sponsored Al Gore Global Warming Conference moderated by Kofi Annan tonight from 5:30 to 11:30? I hear they are doing a special segment where they have this ice carving of George Bush and it, like, melts 'n stuff you know like the ice caps are melting.... Anyway can I watch it live at your house tonight - I already invited some friends and they don't have cell phones so I like can't reach them to change plans thanks man."
"But the Sponge Bob 24-hour maratho..." I started to say.
He resumed to his affectionathon for Smedley. "C'mere Smedleypoo. We're gonna watch Al Gore and Kofi Annan save the world from the mental midget your sorry-ass owner voted for together tonight! Yes we are! Coochie-coochie [rubs noses, swaps spit] Isn't that right? Ohhhhhhh you're so CUTE!!!" Smedley shot me another eff-you look as his leg thumped the floor.
After he left, Smedley disappeared out the back door. When he came back for lunch, I was resolved to take his sorry but to the pound. Then I remembered that the spark plug in the lawnmower was fouled so I replaced it with one out of my car so I could finish cutting the grass. I'll just put it back so I can take Smedley to the pound.
Just then, I looked out the window and saw my neighbor disappear with my lawnmower.
Nausea.
The person who starts the most interesting thread will get one 8 x 10 autographed photo of LabRat's Ass.
Obviously I would still be interested in the prize despite being female, as I understand these sell for a fortune on eBay. However I am interested in the fact you have one to give....
i don't have it yet. i'm just such a big supporter of the cellar that i'm going to fly back up to the iowa city and visit LR and the hubby for awhile. i'm sure he won't mind.
XOB - thanks for taking an action that obviously wasn't something you really wanted. you put the long term good of the cellar ahead of your personal preferences, proving once again that you are a stand up guy.
[SIZE="1"][COLOR="gray"]But how will this play out in the upcoming moderator elections?[/COLOR][/SIZE]
FWIW Mari and I were both participants on Another Board a few years ago, and our time there overlapped by a year at least, and this sort of kerfuffle did not happen there. :2cents:
That being said, this is UT's board and the mods' decisions are final. [COLOR="Silver"](Ouch the fence is such an uncomfortable place to sit).[/COLOR]
Most of you participating in this thread have not grasped the entire situation. Some, because you aren't familiar with it because you don't read all the threads. Some, because you don't remember all the history. Some, because you are too dense to understand it.
I've stayed out of this pretty much, but I do take a tiny bit of issue with these statements. I feel like I "knew" Mari as much as anyone here, and I think I understand her. Further, I support Bruce's decision to ban because I don't think he had any other choice. He was protecting this community, and sometimes those decisions are hard. Bruce is a prince of a guy, the one person here to whom I would entrust all that is important to me, and I admire him tremendously. The Cellar couldn't ask for a better moderator.
So, I will just say this...Mari did not whip Mari into a bannable frenzy by herself. There is a contingent of Dwellars who seem to enjoy fanning smoldering embers into apocalyptic flames, then reveling when the Halon extinguishers get deployed. I find this a bit sad.
I did not for a moment believe everything Mari said to be true. I further did not believe it all to be fabrication. I guess I see her situation as symptomatic of loneliness, depression, alienation, and, as the parent of a cognitively disabled child who lives with these issues daily, I have a certain amount of empathy for that.
I know that some of us question whether or not Mari even *was* the victim of CO poisoning. Certainly, her facility with the written word caused me to take pause as regards that topic. But, the fact is, we *all* have to accept a certain amount of what we tell each other as truthful and honest, otherwise, there's little point in what we do here. I've mentioned it before, and I'll say it again: no one has ever called Bullshit on any of my tales, yet I have often been complimented on my writing. Would it not follow, then, that I might also possess the skills to mislead convincingly?
How do you know that *I* am not just another Mari, more subtle, more devious...more dishonest?
I used to have this dog...... http://cellar.org/showpost.php?p=298597&postcount=170
:lol2:
You tickle my funny bone.
Edited down to a link so as not to distract from the other serious posts but the effort had to be applauded. ...oh and laughed at too! tee hee funny story.
I have a certain amount of empathy for that
Right, now let's see. I'm unemployed, and face an increasingly threatening financial situation. But I'm healthy, generally optimistic, and have an education, so I will likely recover and bounce back well. If I lose the house I will still be able to afford an apartment with Jacquelita, although I may have to give up my dog.
I rate a mere 3 on the victimization scale. You can, therefore, be mean to me. If I want you to be nicer to me, I should emphasize the negatives and major concerns in my life.
Spode, what I have said to you here is downright mean. But that's OK; you rate a 3 also.
I know that some of us question whether or not Mari even *was* the victim of CO poisoning.
She knew a lot of intricate details about what that might entail. For example, she complained about not getting expensive hyperbaric treatment. In-between puffs on a cigarette.
FWIW Mari and I were both participants on Another Board a few years ago, and our time there overlapped by a year at least, and this sort of kerfuffle did not happen there.
Perhaps she was more brain-muddled during that period.
Or was it a forum of all women? Women don't complain about each other to their face; that's rude. Women wait until they get to the bathroom with their mates to complain, and then they let loose a way biggger shitstream than I might.
In any case, now she can return there, where they appreciate her so well. Nice to know there's another place for her to participate. This is the Internet, you know, and forums are quite rare.
Replay of 911 call:
I don't know officer...it's like, like he's gone CRAZY. He's standing on the porch shooting a staple gun at the door, over and over and over. Please help! (Sobs hysterically)
UT's neighbor:
He was a good guy, a real good neighbor. He always kept his yard nice, never had loud parties. I don't know what made him snap.
Local news teaser:
MAN GOES STAPLE CRAZY
what puts a seemingly normal man over the edge? Commentary, and film, at 11.
you misspelled dillusion
No, you did...
I have a certain amount of empathy for that
Right, now let's see. I'm unemployed, and face an increasingly threatening financial situation. But I'm healthy, generally optimistic, and have an education, so I will likely recover and bounce back well. If I lose the house I will still be able to afford an apartment with Jacquelita, although I may have to give up my dog.
I rate a mere 3 on the victimization scale. You can, therefore, be mean to me. If I want you to be nicer to me, I should emphasize the negatives and major concerns in my life.
Spode, what I have said to you here is downright mean. But that's OK; you rate a 3 also.
If you feel that I'm somehow minimizing your situation, I apologize. I'm afraid I wasn't aware of it. This is probably because you do not go on about it. I have empathy for *you*, too. However, I'm not sure where I was being mean...or were you referring to Mari?
I know that some of us question whether or not Mari even *was* the victim of CO poisoning.
She knew a lot of intricate details about what that might entail. For example, she complained about not getting expensive hyperbaric treatment. In-between puffs on a cigarette.
I did say that I sometimes doubted either the fact or extent of her poisoning, based on what appeared, on screen, to be a fairly unimpaired writing style. As to bad judgement in her choice to smoke given her condition, I'm eating Taco Bell right now, and I've had a bypass. So Mari and I are equally culpable, or so it would seem by extension.
Again, I agree that Mari's ban became the only reasonable solution, but I don't think the situation was as simple as "Mari's a twit". I'm not sure why you are taking my (what I see as rather mild) expressions of opinion so very personally, but I apologize profusely for any slight, actual or perceived. I think you're a pretty special guy, UT, and definitely not someone who I would offend intentionally or unintentionally.
And with that, I bow out of any further Mari discussions, discretion being the better part of valor.
Owner/mod of this privately owned/run board deemed it necessary to ban her... why is this not the end of this story?
~snip I think you're a pretty special guy, UT, and definitely not someone who I would offend intentionally or unintentionally.
ditto
And with that, I bow out of any further Mari discussions, discretion being the better part of valor.
ditto here as well
(quoting limey)FWIW Mari and I were both participants on Another Board a few years ago, and our time there overlapped by a year at least, and this sort of kerfuffle did not happen there.
Perhaps she was more brain-muddled during that period.
Or was it a forum of all women? Women don't complain about each other to their face; that's rude. Women wait until they get to the bathroom with their mates to complain, and then they let loose a way biggger shitstream than I might.
In any case, now she can return there, where they appreciate her so well. Nice to know there's another place for her to participate. This is the Internet, you know, and forums are quite rare.
She may have been more muddled-headed - it was just after the ("alleged")period of CO2 poisoning. It was a board made up largely of women, though I do not agree with your assumptions about that. I am sorry that running this forum has led to this amount of irritation for you.
...I've mentioned it before, and I'll say it again: no one has ever called Bullshit on any of my tales, yet I have often been complimented on my writing. Would it not follow, then, that I might also possess the skills to mislead convincingly?
How do you know that *I* am not just another Mari, more subtle, more devious...more dishonest?
You don't always have to meet a person face to face to get a bad feeling in your gut...
I don't have a strong feeling about Mari's banning. I would kinda gloss over her posts, and not really read them. If UT and Bruce felt it was best to ban, I accept and support that decision.
Everyone else - Here's your challenge - find something worth discussing and start a thread that will draw everyone there. the person who starts the most interesting thread will get one 8 x 10 autographed photo of LabRat's Ass.
I believe I already started that thread. You may send the photo at your convenience.
i think you misunderstand. I intend to autograph the photo of labrat's ass because I intend to be in said photo. Now that's a thread no one else has started!
[SIZE="1"]does announcing my devious plan in advance diminish my chances of getting the opportunity for a photo op?[/SIZE]
Oh. My minds eye is picturing said signature in a pale viscous ink. Better you keep that one.
Hey Flint! Lookout's gettin' in your game! You gonna sit back and take that???
:corn:
I don't have a strong feeling about Mari's banning. I would kinda gloss over her posts, and not really read them. If UT and Bruce felt it was best to ban, I accept and support that decision.
Wow... that sounds so
familiar...:rolleyes:
Gee, this thread seems to have progressed pretty well without any futher input from me and yet many have expressed the same opinions as me. I guess my previous few posts weren't for MY benefit after all.
See ya.
Let's see how quick I can get banned. "Yes, Virginia, there really is a Santa Clause" . Clearly that is also a li[n]e worthy of . . .
...being quoted more accurately than this. Not that tw can change his spots.
No logical fact posted justified so much hate of marichiko. I can grasp one fact that might justify the censorship. But I have yet to see anyone post that justification. Posted instead are vindictive or juvenile emotions that justify hate. Yes this is a discussion of and contains examples of adults who are still children.
Facts in themselves are not "logical." That is a property of the mind perceiving them. One more sign, tw, that you are not and are never going to be qualified as a great sage -- you're not writing the thing you mean, and you are oblivious to that.
I'm not exactly one of the marichiko haters: my view of the woman is that she's old enough to know better, yet never does. Perhaps this is the childishness of which you speak.
No logical fact posted justified so much hate of marichiko. I can grasp one fact that might justify the censorship. But I have yet to see anyone post that justification.
Now we have a logical fact.
At one point she posted in one of my threads and I gave her the back of my hand. Stay out of my threads, bitch. She never had to say that to me because I never participated in her threads.
But still she set out to carefully violate that arrangement.
Do I believe anything marichiko posted deserves so much hate? Not for one minute. However UT and marichiko did have this agreement. As her own post in this thread noted, she was violating the agreement between UT and herself. I found it amazing that she would both violate that agreement AND post that she was violating it. My next question was how long would it take for her to be cut off ... again.
UT is the 800 gorilla here. Like it or not, it is his board. You don't make an agreement with an 800 gorilla who does not like you - and then both violate the agreement AND tweak that violation in the gorilla's nose.
Notice - no emotion. Notice that this - what UT describes - is what I posted repeatedly with
I can grasp one fact that might justify the censorship. But I have yet to see anyone post that justification.
Furthermore, notice many posters who completely ignored the logic in that post to instead attack the messenger. The marichiko problem is not limited to marichiko. Just that marichiko did two things - and notice this post is based in logical reasoning rather than any feeling: she violated an agreement with the 800 pound gorilla AND she also admitted in that post that she was violating that agreement.
I think very poorly of censorship. Moreso I think even more poorly of some reasons posted here to justify her censorship. It is totally irrelevant if she lied about CO poisoning AND it is totally irrelevant if others don't like (an emotion) what she posted. Just as nonsensical are the posts mocking the staple and a lock. I consider some of her stories to be Mr Bean adventures. The Cellar is a place where many meet people that their own biases would not permit them to discover. And as this thread proves, personal bias even to the point of hate is widespread.
But we do have other commandments more valid that anything in a bible of koran. UT is the 800 pound gorilla AND he is the reason this board is so successful. I, for one, do not care how he feels and give no credibility to his feelings. But it is HIS board and he did provide her with sufficient warning. That is the obvious logical fact that I repeatedly referred to and that so many here (while also posting personal insults) never bothered to learn, ask, or even notice. Notice it takes multiple points (and some peripheral facts) to justify his actions. And as I kept posting repeatedly,
I have yet to see anyone post that justification.
Strange, a response to that post only resulted in attacks on the messenger rather than a reply to logic in those posts.
Gee, this thread seems to have progressed pretty well without any futher input from me and yet many have expressed the same opinions as me. I guess my previous few posts weren't for MY benefit after all.
See ya.
See ya? SEE YA? don't you mean:
lol...nope. I meant See ya!
Why not next time (for anybody): "Three Strikes and You're Out?"
That's the rules; no discussion, from either side, pretty purleeze...
Who determines what a strike is and when it occurs? :eyebrow:
:runs out of the dugout and kicks dirt on xob's feet:
[being]Those glasses aren't helping much with your head up your toocus![held back]
Oddest spelling of tuchus (or tokhes) I've ever seen.
Oddest spelling of tuchus (or tokhes) I've ever seen.
How bout tochus: "kiss mir en tochus" or "tochus enormus"?
We do say here: "amme tochus" (my butt)
I'll roll both of yoose up like a carpet!
I've seen it, seriously, as "tuchis" also. There's some confusion as to how best to transliterate it -- if variation is confusion. "Kush mir im tokhes" is how I've seen it from people talking like they know.
I certainly had no problem with Mari. In fact she provided some good information that really helped me out. Of course I didn't believe every tale she told either. Despite that she brought about her own banning. Yet she's still the Cellarite I'd most wish to meet in person. No, take that back... LabRat is :P
Flint, Lookout, now Jebediah...
I'm getting my own little fan club. :blush: Well, part of me is anyway... Course, I've got some *tight* competition now, which is good because I was starting to get a little spoiled by all the attention. :queen:
I totally missed this entire thread. Now I will have to go through and read it all because of my morbid curiousity. :blush:
I totally missed this entire thread. Now I will have to go through and read it all because of my morbid curiousity. :blush:
I would advise you not to bother.
Too late. Took me all day though... certainly enlightening
okay....so having trawled through hours of wrangling, what's your take on it all?
... certainly enlightening
Well, thats one word for it. Not exactly highlight reel material. Everbody did get a chance to put their worst foot forward though, so if you feel like you missed a chance to shit stir, have at. Bruce is about the only one who comes out looking sensible, eh?
I used to have this dog. Mangy little thing. He'd pee on my carpet, chew my furniture and puke in my underwear drawer. And he would bark. It was an annoying bark but made you feel sorry for it. Sort of like chewing tin foil while watching George Bush address the UN. No worse. It was so shrill and so grating that you could actually see space warping as the sound came out - sort of like looking at a sunset just above an open gas can. But he would only bark just as I was dozing off as though the switch was embedded in my eyelid.
Anyway, I let him hang around but told him to stay out of my bedroom. Which he did for a while. Then I caught him on my bed. Pinching a loaf on my pillow. Ears out, eyes bulging, back arched, tail up and BOOM! There it wuz. On my pillow. That I sewed with fabric that I bought. Smedley just looked at me and grinned and ran off before I could smack him with the paper.
So, one day, I sez to myself: "Self!?"
Then I said: "Whut?"
Then I said: "I'm gonna get rid of this dog!"
About that time, my neighbor dropped in to borrow my lawn mower. Again. I think he siphons the gas out of it and puts it in his car because there's never any gas in it when he brings it back. Come to think of it, he doesn't even have a yard. Where was I? Oh, yeah. Smedley.
So I told my neighbor that I'm up to here with Smedley and was going to drop him off at the pound.
"Whyfore, oh neighbor of mine?" He asked. "What'd Smedley ever do to you? C'mere Smedley -- ooochoooo coochie coochie coochie. Does your butt itch? scratch-scratch-scratch - leg thumping on floor - sly grin in my general direction - there -all better now."
"Y'know?" As he spoke, his eyebrows furled in judgement of me which, for a millisecond, gave me a shivering flashback to this picture I saw once of a medieval Bishop sternly administering the Inquisition of a man who had not expressed sufficient gratitude to his torturers for purging him of his sin. "His butt wouldn't itch like that if you let him sleep in your bedroom instead of wherever you let him stay." Smedley shot me a look of smug satisfaction that my neighbor didn't notice.
"But he craps on my bed and barks when I sleep and..." He stopped me.
"Put a plastic trash bag on your pillow and get some fucking earplugs for God's sake! What the hell is wrong with you?!?! He's just a dog like any other dog. You have thirty dogs. What's the difference?"
Stunned, I just looked at him with a mouth-open stare.
He continued and his expression lightened. "Not to change the subje... you ok?... but my TV is still out. And did you remember to set your TiVo for The UN/Harvard sponsored Al Gore Global Warming Conference moderated by Kofi Annan tonight from 5:30 to 11:30? I hear they are doing a special segment where they have this ice carving of George Bush and it, like, melts 'n stuff you know like the ice caps are melting.... Anyway can I watch it live at your house tonight - I already invited some friends and they don't have cell phones so I like can't reach them to change plans thanks man."
"But the Sponge Bob 24-hour maratho..." I started to say.
He resumed to his affectionathon for Smedley. "C'mere Smedleypoo. We're gonna watch Al Gore and Kofi Annan save the world from the mental midget your sorry-ass owner voted for together tonight! Yes we are! Coochie-coochie [rubs noses, swaps spit] Isn't that right? Ohhhhhhh you're so CUTE!!!" Smedley shot me another eff-you look as his leg thumped the floor.
After he left, Smedley disappeared out the back door. When he came back for lunch, I was resolved to take his sorry but to the pound. Then I remembered that the spark plug in the lawnmower was fouled so I replaced it with one out of my car so I could finish cutting the grass. I'll just put it back so I can take Smedley to the pound.
Just then, I looked out the window and saw my neighbor disappear with my lawnmower.
Nausea.
Have you ever read Hank the Cowdog? :)
Have you ever read Hank the Cowdog? :)
Not familiar with it. Tell me more.
TUCHES.
tuchas
Toches
Toches
tachat - Hebrew and tokus, toges - Dutch
:confused:
And don't forget Tuches, the Cat That Could Drive a Car.
And don't forget Tuches, the Cat That Could Drive a Car.
I thought that was Toonces the cat?
I thought that was Toonces the cat?
It was. I had a cat named Toonces. :sniff:
And don't forget Tuches, the Cat That Could Drive a Car.
Could he
Drive A Dad though?
Not familiar with it. Tell me more.
Apparently, he now has a website, but I use to read his kids books. It was all about this dog that lived on a ranch and considered himself "Head of Ranch Security." Funny stuff.
Hand the CowdogWell, if I'd have been a SNL writer, it would have been Tuches, that's for sure.:redface:
Flint, Lookout, now Jebediah...
Those who have not yet come forward are either repressing their feelings or
being censored by a significant other :p
Sadly I'm still a bit skeptical. Maybe it's just a lucky camera angle or psychoactives in our system that make us drool. The members of this forum need more photographic evidence to be certain...
TUCHES.
tuchas
Toches
Toches
tachat - Hebrew and tokus, toges - Dutch
:confused:
Interesting websites. As the last site shows we have a lot of Jiddish words in Dutch, although the use of it vanished the last 2 decades. I remember these words were used a lot in my childhood, but not as nearly as much anymore now.