Urinating on Bible
Boys expelled from Islamic school for urinating on Bible
12:29 PM December 6
The headmaster of a Melbourne Islamic College has condemned the behaviour of two boys expelled for allegedly urinating on a Bible.
The incident is alleged to have happened on a school camp last week.
Teachers at the East Preston College have petitioned the principal telling of their shock and dismay.
Principal Shaheem Doutie says the behaviour of the boys was unacceptable.
"Principal, teachers and the school community hereby condemn in the strongest possible terms the alleged desecration of the Bible by two of our students at a school camp," he said.
Especially in view of Islam accepting quite a lot of the Old Testament and esteeming Jesus as a prophet in his own right. They call Him Isa, I believe.
Well I'm not sure about that UG, but I wanted to post this thread as a response to those who claim that the Islamic community doesn't try to censure or condemn unacceptable behaviour.
I think that although the boys have disgraced themselves, their community is doing the right thing by them.
Boys expelled from Islamic school for urinating on Bible
12:29 PM December 6
The headmaster of a Melbourne Islamic College has condemned the behaviour of two boys expelled for allegedly urinating on a Bible.....
Teachers at Principal Shaheem Doutie says the behaviour of the boys was unacceptable......
"Principal, teachers and the school community hereby condemn in the strongest possible terms the alleged desecration of the Bible by two of our students at a school camp," he said.
However, he fell short of calling for a Crusade against the Moslem hordes or of demanding the immediate excommunication and crucification of the pupils involved.
Melbourne police have confirmed that no Islamic mosques or embasssies have been attacked/burned to the ground/staff slaughtered as a result of this incident.
mmmm....... hey, you guys with the towels..... you wanna take notes on this?
Maybe people are starting to realize that that sort of shit needs to stop.
I could have been much worse. They could have put their hand on that Bible and promised to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth - while wearing the mask of our president. Now that would be insulting.
tw, you're trying too hard.
Now where would they have gotten this crazy idea?
Good thing they didn't print cartoons of the bible...
How else are you supposed to keep the bible nice and clean?
hee, hee, she said "Doutie". I choose to hear that pronounced "doody"
Now where would they have gotten this crazy idea?
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[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=4][COLOR=Red]Do you mean Newsweek's story on Gitmo in which it was alleged that there was urinating on Korans, which was then proved to be untrue?
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Great. Let's use a single unverified anecdote to refute systematic Islamic fundamentalist intolerance.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the effort. But let's get real here.
You're right, this does't 'prove' that Muslims are tolerant and understanding, but we should be encouraging any good behavior that emerges no matter how isolated. We should be holding this up not to the west as an example of the current behavioral trend, but to the Islamic world as an example of how some of their brethren have managed to shake off their old prejudices and integrated more into modern society.
Their only problem was that they didn't apply for a National Endowment for the Arts grant.
The other important thing to note here is that this is something that happened here. You're right to say that they've integrated well into our society and understand what is not acceptable behavior, however if this happened somewhere else in the world then I'm sure the response would have been different. Its almost like there is a double standard in that Islam must be respected, but other religions are jokes
It is a Bible, a book... every one is a holy relic? I don't think so.
I don't think it proves anything about anything really, other than the fact that like everything else, to generalise about anything or anyone is wrong.
Some people do things the right way, some do things the wrong way.
Hmmm...
Monty Python makes the "Life of Brian": death toll/riots = few
Some wacky Danish guy draws Allah with a bomb: death toll/riots = lots
I think our lot has a better sense of humour.
Anglo Australian society has generally, I think, taken a turn-the-other-cheek attitude to this sort of behaviour, particularly since the Cronulla riots last year, which was as much "our" fault as it was "theirs". This latest incident has gone relatively un-mentioned in the media generally and on right-wing talkback radio in particular. Interestingly, a report was released last week which blamed talkback in particular for inciting and encouraging the riots. I wonder if they're afraid to say anything?
You can piss on the bible and burn the flag all you want. It doesn't change their meanings or what they stand for and it won't change Australian society one bit. It only makes the kid with his dick out and the matches look stupid, and makes it harder for his father to make a living.
It is a Bible, a book... every one is a holy relic?
Burn a flag instead. Then god will not get mad. Is god as hateful and as intolerant as those who so care so much about bound paper?
Early scriptures were found in a cave. They used it for toilet paper. We should hate them as well?
What it is made from is irrespective of the issue - Be it a flag, a book or a cup is not the point. What is important is what the "item" represents.
I agree. Pissing on the Bible is not so much about the action, it's the symbolism. Like saying, "Piss on your religion!" or culture, or whatever.
To me it is the same as being called a nigger or honkey... if you are ok with who you are, it does not affect you. It cannot be an insult if you do not think your race is a bad thing.
To me it is the same as being called a nigger or honkey... if you are ok with who you are, it does not affect you. It cannot be an insult if you do not think your race is a bad thing.
Thats what makes America such a great country - its "within your rights" to piss on a bible or burn our flag. Oh, just don't do it in front of me, cuz its "within my rights" to kick you're effin' ass - and gladly!
I see you did not get my point.
waay off subject here, but--if saying nigger is not a bad thing, why did Michael Richards apologize to a stunned America? were those black guys in the audience not "okay" with being black? I doubt it. Or, was it if ANY black person might take offense, he had to apologize? by that argument, the boys who pissed on the Bible were wrong because somebody, somewhere might have been offended. Like showing the bottom of your shoe to some Arabians---they simply take offense at that.
You can piss on the bible and burn the flag all you want. It doesn't change their meanings or what they stand for and it won't change Australian society one bit. It only makes the kid with his dick out and the matches look stupid, and makes it harder for his father to make a living.
Thank you for that, I'm going to hijack it for a bit I think.
I did not say being a racist is not ignorant and thinking that the difference of melanin makes one "different" is not the height of stupidity.
Two, very different things.
My statement is about those who get offended.
If you are ok with your religion, race, nationality and who you are, you cannot get offended by such simpletons.
BTW, I think burning a flag is a perfectly acceptable form of protest.
If someone punished a father for a son's protest actions, they are far more ignorant than that son could ever be.
BTW, I think burning a flag is a perfectly acceptable form of protest.
So do I.
I didn't word my reply well...what i mean is, should we assume that black people are ok with being black? of course! if they are ok with it, saying nigger shouldn't offend them because they are OK with themselves. Why did Jesse Jackson and others get upset with Richards when he said it? I am assuming here that Jesse
is ok with being black. This doesn't have anything to do with RIchards being a racist (though he is, I believe) it has to do with the notion that if blacks are OK with themselves, which we assume they are, why apologize for an offensive remark at all? It shouldn't affect the black community AT ALL.
Because they can.
Someone calls me a cracker or honkey, I say "thank you", or some equally cheerful/sarcastic remark.
My race is nothing to be proud, or ashamed, of... it is just luck and is neither here-nor-there.
It does not affect the black community, any more than the other comedian calling the drunk female heckler a cunt... she was being a cunt, so he called her one. It was not an indictment on all females...
People can be such idiots.
Thats what makes America such a great country - its "within your rights" to piss on a bible or burn our flag. Oh, just don't do it in front of me, cuz its "within my rights" to kick you're effin' ass - and gladly!
No it isn't.
No it isn't.
No it's not a right, its more like... a privilege
Really? Is that why I was passed-over for a scholarship at Yale because they had to give it to a black kid with half my GPA and no community involvement?
Same goes for two promotions at jobs I had... I felt so "privileged" LOL.
If you don't deserve the job or placement, you don't deserve the job or placement. Getting it without the credentials just gives credence to those that would say that you, and those "like you" cannot do things for yourself.
I was a member of a, predominantly, black college club (CAVE) and I still, occasionally speak at it. We, as a group feel this way, because it is true.
Affirmative action harms race and sex FAR more than it could EVER help it.
I have seen it in the workplace. Someone given a job with less credentials and experience than others who posted for it due to affirmative action get NO respect, which is what they deserve... a shame to, it is not their fault... though I would not take such a position knowingly.
Being white is not a privilige, that is a myth... we are not the majority any longer.
Race is an accident, nothing more, as I said previously... if one feels insecure about it, that is on them.
I don't think he was saying that being white was a privelege..less I've read it wrong, I thought it was flagburning?
I don't think he was saying that being white was a privelege..less I've read it wrong, I thought it was flagburning?
Yeah easy there rk, I was talking about how I would consider it a privilege to smack someone who decided it was funny or whatever to literally piss on a Bible in front of me. It has nothing to do with being white.
Burning the flag that is sacred to some is not the same thing as desecrating a text that is sacred to some.
Some folks have some pretty major sacrifices tied up in that flag. Sacrifices they made on behalf of others. To desecrate the flag is, to them, offensive, disrespectful, insensitive and unappreciative.
But, any sacrifices made in the course of one's religious convictions accrue to one's self. With one possible exception. Going strictly by the Bible's own words, no one can save the soul of another.
People who choose to express themselves by burning the flag should find a more articulate way to express themselves. Just because freedom of speech permits it does not mean its the best way to make your point. It never made sense to me why anyone burned the flag to protest, for example, the Vietnam war. If their message was "America SUX" didn't they really mean to say America is Great but you (the politicians) are screwing it up? If so, I think a more appropriate protest might involve using the flag to hang some of those war criminals who sent our fathers and sons to fight and die to fulfil their misguided vision.
People who choose to express themselves by burning the flag should find a more articulate way to express themselves. Just because freedom of speech permits it does not mean its the best way to make your point. It never made sense to me why anyone burned the flag to protest, for example, the Vietnam war. If their message was "America SUX" didn't they really mean to say America is Great but you (the politicians) are screwing it up? If so, I think a more appropriate protest might involve using the flag to hang some of those war criminals who sent our fathers and sons to fight and die to fulfil their misguided vision.
An interesting approach Beestie, please tell us more.
I don't think he was saying that being white was a privelege..less I've read it wrong, I thought it was flagburning?
Sorry, I misunderstood... flag-burning is a privilege, you are correct.
Burning the flag that is sacred to some is not the same thing as desecrating a text that is sacred to some.
Some folks have some pretty major sacrifices tied up in that flag. Sacrifices they made on behalf of others. To desecrate the flag is, to them, offensive, disrespectful, insensitive and unappreciative.
But, any sacrifices made in the course of one's religious convictions accrue to one's self. With one possible exception. Going strictly by the Bible's own words, no one can save the soul of another.
People who choose to express themselves by burning the flag should find a more articulate way to express themselves. Just because freedom of speech permits it does not mean its the best way to make your point. It never made sense to me why anyone burned the flag to protest, for example, the Vietnam war. If their message was "America SUX" didn't they really mean to say America is Great but you (the politicians) are screwing it up? If so, I think a more appropriate protest might involve using the flag to hang some of those war criminals who sent our fathers and sons to fight and die to fulfil their misguided vision.
Or... it shows that those in office are turning those sacrifices into "nothing". They are taking what the flag, and those sacrifices, means into something else, something wrong... and that that flag, and their sacrifice, is burning. Actually doing it, being the only way to show that.
The things this current, and recent, administrations, have taken the sacrifices of past generations and shit on them, and, while doing so, the flag.
Would I like to see that, hell no. Would I understand what it was showing and means, yes.
Problem is, those who the symbolic gesture is meant for, never see it for what it means, they don't see the sickness they inflict on their nation and the freedoms they steal, they only see greed and more power that they want.
No, I do not think they want what is best... only actions show what is in someone's heart.
You guys remember Serrano's
Piss Christ?
As I recall, the plastic crucifix is submerged in a jar of the artist's micture and blood.
Would I, as an atheist, be willing to do a performance piece by micturating on a bible or koran? Hmmmmmm. I'll have to think about that. What if those kids did that bible thing on stage as a work of "art?"
Just throwing that out there.:neutral:
How ya doin, Flint old boy?
...Would I, as an atheist, be willing to do a performance piece by micturating on a bible or koran? Hmmmmmm. I'll have to think about that....
Being an athiest, it would have less meaning.
Being an athiest, it would have less meaning.
Perhaps. And the more I think about it, I would probably have to get a Torah, an I-Ching, some Hindu texts, the Book of Morman (or a real Morman)...it would be a lot of stuff to piss on, that's for sure. But if I did it from a good height and had some help with the lighting, it could be a good show, for as long as I pissed anyway. :cool:
What about several atheists in sequence?
snip~ It never made sense to me why anyone burned the flag to protest, for example, the Vietnam war. If their message was "America SUX" didn't they really mean to say America is Great but you (the politicians) are screwing it up? ~snip
The message was, nationalism is the cause of the war (Vietnam) and a flag is the most recognizable symbol of nationalizm...... also the most flammable. :D
Perhaps. And the more I think about it, I would probably have to get a Torah, an I-Ching, some Hindu texts, the Book of Morman (or a real Morman)...it would be a lot of stuff to piss on, that's for sure. But if I did it from a good height and had some help with the lighting, it could be a good show, for as long as I pissed anyway. :cool:
What about several atheists in sequence?
Or all at once. Have a "religious literature piss party". I'm sure you can get help from some zealots who are into golden showers.
Perhaps. And the more I think about it, I would probably have to get a Torah, an I-Ching, some Hindu texts, the Book of Morman (or a real Morman)...it would be a lot of stuff to piss on, that's for sure. But if I did it from a good height and had some help with the lighting, it could be a good show, for as long as I pissed anyway. :cool:
What about several atheists in sequence?
Rather than wondering what to piss on, maybe you should be wondering who you're pissing off.
You could loose your head.:behead:
zealots who are into golden showers.
I just got an idea. What about getting actual people to play the role of people of faith, you know, dressed up to look the part, and the actually piss on them from above? That would have more impact. Yes. They would all be reciting passages from their holy texts as me and my fellow atheists pissed on them. What a show!!!!
Those boys weren't doing performance art when they were peeing on the bible. They were being naughty little school boys and they got caught, and now they're being punished. ;)
Further development:
A staff member at the school has been attacked by someone claiming to be Jesus.
Wanker!