NationStates
I say we should each start a
Nationstates country, all at the sameish time (for those of you who already have one), and run themhow we would run a country.
Who's in?
I'm going to give that link to my son and hubby. They're both made on games like Civilization and Stronghold. Have you heard of them?
http://www.nationstates.net/ibramia
Have you heard of them?
I've
definitely heard of them.
Actually, they're MAD on them not made on them. lol
btw...I think your idea is a good one Ibram. I'll be interested to see how it all goes. If I decide to start a country it'll probably end up in anarchy though. I've no idea how to play these types of games.
Just start one and do what the game says, its very very very very simple. They give you situations, and you pick which option is most like your idea of an ideal state.
OK...I'll start one and see how I go, but if it goes to shit, I'm blaming the conservatives!
The Most Serene Republic of Aliantha is a tiny, devout nation, notable for its burgeoning frog population. Its hard-nosed, hard-working population of 5 million have some civil rights, but not too many, enjoy the freedom to spend their money however they like, to a point, and take part in free and open elections, although not too often.
The large government concentrates mainly on Religion & Spirituality, although Healthcare and Social Welfare are secondary priorities. The average income tax rate is 19%. A large private sector is led by the Gambling industry, followed by Door-to-door Insurance Sales and Beef-Based Agriculture.
Crime is a problem, and the police force struggles against a lack of funding and a high mortality rate. Aliantha's national animal is the frog and its currency is the berry.
The Republic of Pipedreams2 is a tiny, pleasant nation, notable for its complete absence of social welfare. Its hard-nosed, hard-working population of 5 million have some civil rights, but not too many, enjoy the freedom to spend their money however they like, to a point, and take part in free and open elections, although not too often.
The tiny government devotes most of its attentions to Law & Order, with areas such as Social Welfare and Defence receiving almost no funds by comparison. Citizens pay a flat income tax of 5%. A large private sector is led by the Retail industry, followed by Arms Manufacturing and Basket Weaving.
Crime is a serious problem. Pipedreams2's national animal is the weasel and its currency is the pal bubble gum.
The Most Serene Republic of Penelopes
"We are at peace with ourselves and one another."
UN Category: Civil Rights Lovefest
Civil Rights: Superb
Economy: Strong
Political Freedoms: Superb
The Most Serene Republic of Penelopes is a tiny, devout nation, remarkable for its complete lack of prisons. Its compassionate, hard-working, intelligent population of 5 million hold their civil and political rights very dear, although the wealthy and those in business tend to be viewed with suspicion.
The large, corrupt, liberal government juggles the competing demands of Social Welfare, Religion & Spirituality, and Healthcare. The average income tax rate is 18%. A small but healthy private sector is led by the Basket Weaving industry, followed by Pizza Delivery and Uranium Mining.
Crime is a problem, probably because of the country's utter lack of prisons. Penelopes's national animal is the dove and its currency is the mac.
Join me in Region Cellarious so we can be ranked "against" each other in the UN reports!
Go to your Nation's page and look for a line that says: "Tired of life in ____? Then move to a new region."
Choose to move to Cellarious where we can create our own world! :stickpoke
Glattistan has just joined the region of Cellarious.
The Republic of Felix Monachus is a tiny, socially progressive nation, renowned for its absence of drug laws. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 5 million enjoy extensive civil freedoms, particularly in social issues, while business tends to be more regulated.
The medium-sized government concentrates mainly on Social Welfare, although Healthcare and Education are on the agenda. The average income tax rate is 14%. A healthy private sector is led by the Gambling industry, followed by Trout Farming and Book Publishing.
Crime is moderate, and the police force struggles against a lack of funding and a high mortality rate. Felix Monachus's national animal is the marmoset and its currency is the monach.
The Kingdom of Spexxvetia
"It's good to be the King"
UN Category: Democratic Socialists
Civil Rights: Very Good
Economy: Reasonable
Political Freedoms:Below Average
Location: Cellarious Regional Influence: Minnow
The Kingdom of Spexxvetia is a tiny, socially progressive nation, notable for its absence of drug laws. Its compassionate population of 5 million are fiercely patriotic and enjoy great social equality; they tend to view other, more capitalist countries as somewhat immoral and corrupt.
The enormous government is mainly concerned with Social Welfare, although Healthcare and Education are on the agenda. The average income tax rate is 35%, but much higher for the wealthy. A substantial private sector is led by the Book Publishing industry, followed by Information Technology and Retail.
Crime is well under control. Spexxvetia's national animal is the capybara, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the bauble.
Glass and Steel is in. It kinda sucks you can't wage war though :(
Ack! What have I done!
I think Penelopes is ripe for a pre-emptive invasion. Being serene, it probably won't even notice.
TOO TRUE!
Why do I do these things? I am NOT a leader, I just like communities.
Okay. Deep breath. We have a password. It is cellarians.
Do we know: The Disputed Territories of Pain and Woe and The Holy Empire of SOUPFI?
If they are not us I will ban them. Oh, woe is me.
Can I abdicate now???
BTW, THANK YOU LOOKOUT FOR LOOKING OUT!!!!!!
i admit openly that i am both "pipedreams2" and "Pain and Woe" i am running them in very similar fashion, but i want to see what effect it has when one has entered the UN and the other hasn't. if that isn't cool with cellarites, i'll remove one from the region. i already checked with the game FAQs and it is ok so long as only one joins the UN.
National Flag
The Disputed Territories of Pain and Woe
"You can do anything you want. Except my sister."
UN Category: Corporate Bordello
Civil Rights:
Excellent Economy:
Powerhouse Political Freedoms:
Superb
Location: Cellarious
Regional Influence: Hermit
The Disputed Territories of Pain and Woe is a tiny, socially progressive nation, notable for its barren, inhospitable landscape. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 5 million are effectively ruled by a group of massive corporations, who run for political office and provide their well-off citizens with world-class goods and services. Their poorer citizens, however, are mostly starving to death while being urged to go out and get real jobs. The populace has reasonably extensive civil rights, although these are mostly aimed at allowing them to buy whatever they like.
The minute, pro-business government, or what there is of one, juggles the competing demands of Religion & Spirituality, Law & Order, and Commerce. Income tax is unheard of. A powerhouse of a private sector is led by the Uranium Mining, Soda Sales, and Furniture Restoration industries.
Voting is voluntary. Crime is a major problem. Pain and Woe's national animal is the whalepenis, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation, and its currency is the Tear.
ok...what's the password?
*pssst*
Okay. Deep breath. We have a password. It is cellarians.
Yeah I know. I found it after I decided to read the thread properly. :) I was just in such a hurry to get to the game...
i admit openly that i am both "pipedreams2" and "Pain and Woe" i am running them in very similar fashion, but i want to see what effect it has when one has entered the UN and the other hasn't.
Cool ~ split personality! I like it! I like it! :thumb:
If only I had enough brain cells to bifurcate my persona . . .
I am greatly relieved to know that you are not some evil invader!!!!
Hey, can I let hubby join our Region? He's the exact opposite of me and will be asset (I hope).
Pretty please?
(I will never get him in the Cellar, ahem, at least not THIS one. He's not the type.)
The Incorporated States of Endless Ambition
Who is this???
Oh, 'tis my hero and protector! See, I told you he was the opposite of me!
come on people! start your very own nation. we need more cellarites to get the experiment really going. it literally takes 3 minutes to establish your country and you don't have to give any personal info. come on, you know want to be an oppressive dictator...
And this gives as good a view as anything as to your political leanings...
The Allied States of Ahdarastan
"Hey man, that's cool."
UN Category: Democratic Socialists
Civil Rights: Excellent
Economy: Developing
Political Freedoms: Below Average
Location: The North Pacific
Regional Influence: Minnow
The Allied States of Ahdarastan is a tiny, environmentally stunning nation, remarkable for its burgeoning cephelopod population. Its hard-nosed population of 5 million are fiercely patriotic and enjoy great social equality; they tend to view other, more capitalist countries as somewhat immoral and corrupt.
The large government juggles the competing demands of Healthcare, Social Welfare, and Law & Order. The average income tax rate is 28%, but much higher for the wealthy. A very small private sector is dominated by the Trout Farming industry.
Crime is relatively low. Ahdarastan's national animal is the cephelopod, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the nev.
This game doesn't do much does it? You just log on and click a button or two every day and get a minor update on your bizzar little country discription. Not much of a government simulator.
You can get up to two issues a day to deal with, but they take 24 hours to implement.
You can join the UN and vote there. Once you get strong enough, you can have more power and influence.
Power builds pretty quickly, so I think it fairly simulates world politics because it takes time for things to develop and you have to hope you are making the right decisions in the mean time.
Throw your hat in the ring and have a go!
The Dictatorship of Plazbot
"Greed is good"
UN Category: Capitalist Paradise
Civil Rights:Some
Economy:Thriving
Political Freedoms:Some
Location: The East Pacific
Regional Influence: Minnow
The Dictatorship of Plazbot is a tiny, economically powerful nation, notable for its compulsory military service. Its hard-nosed, hard-working population of 5 million are either ruled by a small, efficient government or a conglomerate of multinational corporations; it's difficult to tell which.
The minute government, or what there is of one, concentrates mainly on Law & Order, although Commerce and Defence are on the agenda. Income tax is unheard of. A powerhouse of a private sector is led by the Uranium Mining, Arms Manufacturing, and Information Technology industries.
Crime is a serious problem. Plazbot's national animal is the dodo, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation, and its currency is the dropny.
The Holy Empire of Daniaca
"For the Good of Our Souls and The Glory of The Empire"
UN Category: Psychotic Dictatorship
Civil Rights:
Unheard Of Economy:
Fair Political Freedoms:
Rare
Location: Cellarious Regional Influence: Minnow
The Holy Empire of Daniaca is a tiny, environmentally stunning nation, renowned for its compulsory military service. Its hard-nosed, cynical population of 5 million are ruled without fear or favor by a psychotic dictator, who outlaws just about everything and refers to the populace as "my little playthings."
The enormous, corrupt, moralistic government is mainly concerned with Law & Order, although Religion & Spirituality and Defence are on the agenda. The average income tax rate is 36%, but much higher for the wealthy. A very small private sector is dominated by the Arms Manufacturing industry.
Crime is moderate. Daniaca's national animal is the the dog, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the danar.
I don't get this game. The first issue that was presented to me was if I wanted to make voting compulsory. I figured I'd try it and see what happened. That was three days ago. It should have been adopted by now, but in Glattistan's summary, it says voting is voluntary. How long does it take for changes to show up?
Edit: I see my ranking in Civil Rights/Economy/Political Freedom has changed somewhat over the last few days, so some changes are taking place.
I got this telegram today:
The time has come for you to decide which side you want to be on. You could join Lorien and go down in Nation States history as a hero or help ruin the game for 1,000+ people. It is your choice but remember there is no mid way point this war will effect you in one way or another.
Lorien should know that I'm not too concerned about a state which uses effect when it means affect. Also, I am intensely loyal to Cellarious.
Why did Ali move to a different region?
I don't get this game. The first issue that was presented to me was if I wanted to make voting compulsory. I figured I'd try it and see what happened. That was three days ago. It should have been adopted by now, but in Glattistan's summary, it says voting is voluntary. How long does it take for changes to show up?
my first day's activities didn't register either. i clicked through the issue again and it stuck last night. all is well now.
Why did Ali move to a different region?
Yeah, that's weird. Defector! :sniff:
I was hoping the move was to do recon.
glatt:
I've noticed over the last few days that things are changing quickly for me.
I also upped my issues to 2 a day.
And joined the UN.
You'll see Penelopes ranks #1 in the UN rankings for our region today. Guess we're the most liberal!
Poorly written choices today so I dismissed it. Either ban cloning or subsidize it? That sort of thinking is what gets you crazed religious/anti-religious nuts and killer budget deficits. *grumble* Statists left and right really burn my muffins.:)
I only got the one on public nudity.
My people, however, are very content now that they may eat their national symbol.
mmmmm... moosey goodness!
I'm the only one who voted no on the public nudity, aren't I?
What's this about voting on nudity? I haven't seen anything on that.
It seems like we are getting different issues. Mine was about the death penalty.
The vote in the UN is currently about minimum wage issues.
The Federation of Island in the Sky
"Ad astra per asperum"
UN Category: Civil Rights Lovefest
Civil Rights:
Superb Economy:
Good Political Freedoms:
Superb
Location: the Pacific Regional Influence: Minnow
The Federation of Island in the Sky is a tiny, socially progressive nation, remarkable for its barren, inhospitable landscape. Its compassionate, intelligent population of 5 million hold their civil and political rights very dear, although the wealthy and those in business tend to be viewed with suspicion.
The large government concentrates mainly on Social Welfare, although Healthcare and Education are on the agenda. The average income tax rate is 26%. A large private sector is led by the Basket Weaving industry, followed by Woodchip Exports and Automobile Manufacturing.
Crime is relatively low. Island in the Sky's national animal is the cougar and its currency is the sky gold franc.
Y'all should log in...I think somebody might be in ur base killin ur d00dz!
I'm spying on a group that started just before us and who sent me an email suggesting I might like to join them.
So, I'm going to find out how they run their place and then I'll be back. ;)
Not an email. A telegram.
It keeps telling me that moving to Cellarious is password protected. I entered my own "national" password, but the game rejects it. Don't you guys want me? (sniff, sniff)
it is still "cellarians".
come on in. do anything anti-big business or otherwise liberal and i'll invade you. :worried:
The Republic of Fobbland has joined the party.
We have a UN Delegate: Ibramia
Congrats!
Don't forget to lodge your UN vote!!
Well....I've banned elections and voted to bring in hanging and floggings.
Stormieweatherites has joined the region!
Well....I've banned elections and voted to bring in hanging and floggings.
Interestingly, we are quite similar, except that I'm still allowing voluntary voting.
Congratulations to Ibramia!
it is still "cellarians".
Thanks. I joined tonight.
come on in. do anything anti-big business or otherwise liberal and i'll invade you. :worried:
Hah! My government has just voted to up its military spending. Island in the Sky will soon have nukes! Just try and invade you war-mongering conservative! ;)
Have all the UN members voted on the wage proposal? If not, get in there and vote!!
Oh damn, 3 issues to solve....
* Uranium Mining Workers Strike! [COLOR="Red"]Break it[/COLOR]
* Cash for Colons? [COLOR="Red"]A good heart is hard to find[/COLOR]
* Should Democracy Be Compulsory? [COLOR="Red"]No fecking way![/COLOR]
I just sold my political soul to the corporations. I got a good price, though, and taxes are on their way down.
The Principality of North Elasia
"It is your privilege to serve"
UN Category: Inoffensive Centrist Democracy
Civil Rights: Average
Economy: Reasonable
Political Freedoms: Some
Location: Cellarious; Regional Influence: Minnow
The Principality of North Elasia is a tiny, environmentally stunning nation, remarkable for its burgeoning forest cat population. Its compassionate population of 5 million have some civil rights, but not too many, enjoy the freedom to spend their money however they like, to a point, and take part in free and open elections, although not too often.
The medium-sized government appears to have no policy direction whatsoever. The average income tax rate is 22%, but much higher for the wealthy. A substantial private sector is led by the Uranium Mining industry, followed by Soda Sales and Arms Manufacturing.
Crime is moderate, and the police force struggles against a lack of funding and a high mortality rate. North Elasia's national animal is the forest cat and its currency is the kibble.
My SO has joined us, his country is The Dictatorship of Free-Willed Socialism :eyebrow: .
I'm so proud! "Island in the Sky is ranked 16th in the region and 51,150th in the world for Most Extreme Nations." ;)
Well, I didn't like the wage decision of the UN so I left.
But, how will our region build influence if we aren't part of the UN?
I'm beginning to think there isn't much point in this game. Our status and condition is being changed arbitrarily by the system, with no relationship to the issues choices we select. They also arbitrarily designate the results of the decisions, which often skews the way you are defined as a nation in the next update, usually in a completely different direction than what you intended by the choices. I set up my nation as a principality, intending it to be like Monaco, and this game as warped it into a corrupt dictatorship instead.
The game warped nothing. It gave you choices for how to run your government, and you picked the one you agreed with.
Here's a
similar game with more options, including interaction and war.
The game warped nothing. It gave you choices for how to run your government, and you picked the one you agreed with.
Nah, it warps stuff. I came down on one side of an issue, prohibiting corporations from donating money to politicians. My country now outlaws all campaign contributions, including from individuals. That's not what I agreed to.
Its in extremes, of couse...
That's not what I agreed to.
Sounds like a regular old democrazy. ;)
Its in extremes, of couse...
It's NOT "extremes", it totally changes everything to suit the designer of the game. I have had 2 industries totally erased and gained 5 million people and become a totalitarian dictator by answering 3 questions: eat the cats or not, try to reform criminal behavior, whoops! I just gained another two million residents overnight, after passing on regulating divorce and/or gay marriage. Suddenly I am juggling Religion & Spirituality, when there has been nothing whatever stated about it before. Excuse me, this is WARPED. There are sinister powers behind the scenes that are manipulating us........... :worried:
This also reminds me of a game they made us play at one of our teamwork classes with IBM, must have been 30 years ago, where we had to "order" certain hypothetical supplies and services and "build" houses. The object was to see which team was the most successful at problem solving. Well, after the results were posted the first round, I saw something was wrong with the way the calculations had been done. The figures my team had submitted had been used to build a certain number of these houses alright, but then the program wiped out the rest of the inventory completely, so the calculations you submitted the second round could not possibly reflect your status and all your orders would be inadequate. We hunted down the instructor, who was in the bar getting smashed as all good IBMers do after work, and pointed it out to him. He said I was mistaken. I pulled out all my diagrams on yellow legal pads and showed him item by item what was happening. He said, doesn't matter, we have been using this program for years now and nobody ever had any problem with it. I said You have been miscalculating a mathematical exercise for years now and nobody in IBM ever NOTICED???? What are you going to do now? I asked. Keep on using it, he said. My deep contempt for IBM middle management was solidified at this point, and eventually I began to identify more with my customers than with my employer. I had always thought the object was to get things right, silly me.
I suppose these people intend to keep raising my population numbers until we are suffering from overcrowding and malnutrition and then they will try to get me to eat the cats again. Never!! ;)
your population increase every day that you exist regardless of your decisions.
WTF about "eating cats" [SIZE="3"]???[/SIZE]
WTF about "eating cats" [SIZE="3"]???[/SIZE]
Only to see if we'll compromise on our principles.
But I've heard they're tasty . . .
Careful, though, cat polygamy is designed to harm you.
OK, so I start out as a "tiny, environmentally stunning country" with 5 million people and every day they add another couple of million? What is the POINT of that???!! It is both physically and logically impossible. This is not the WARSAW GHETTO, where you have a pen and you keep shoving in bodies until everybody is shoulder to shoulder. If it could not possibly happen in "real life", then a game which does this is worthless for proving anything.
WTF about "eating cats" [SIZE="3"]???[/SIZE]
If you have not yet received an issue about eating your national mascot, you must have chosen one which is not edible ;)
this is worthless for proving anything.
You could have started with this. :)
OK, so since this morning my country has become DEVOUT and gained 4 million people, all without being presented with a single decision. Tell me again how this website is not screwing with us :mad:
.... Excuse me, this is WARPED. There are sinister powers behind the scenes that are manipulating us........... :worried:
Don't mind them, that's just the Bildabergers and the Trilateral Whatsis. Also, pay no attention to the Giant Owl statue they've built in your lushest National Park. They'll only stop by once a year when they have to worship it.
I'm working on tailoring Wolfslovenia to suit myself. My New Age Guru religious leader should be ecstatic when he finds out that he can enjoy his dinner of our roast national animal in the warm glow of our new nuclear reactors.
This made me laugh.
The Most Rebellious Youth in Cellarious
UN observers counted the number of times their car stereo was stolen from outside fast food stores to determine which nations have relatively high levels of youth-related crime.
# Nation
1. The Community of Ibramia
Cmon, its not like you should be suprised...
How many others of you have noticed that your Nation's description comes up completely differently depending on which direction you access it from? It says one thing when you log on, something else if you navegate away and click on the top link to go back, and still something else if you refresh the screen!! This is just sucky programming :mad:
Nice concept. The forums probably give it more flesh though I don't feel particularly attacted to try them. The progamming is lazy, lets down the idea.
It works well for us extremists.
I'm an extremist on there. Go read the description of the nation of Daniaca
I'm quite proud.
the description changes because it rotates some of the different decisions youve made into the text
That is not what I was describing, Ibram. I expect it to shift according to the choices that were made in the latest Issues vote. I was saying that you can get three different descriptions IN THE SAME MINUTE by entering the nation page from different points of their site. 1) from login, 2) go from login to forum, then click back to your nation 3) refresh page when going back to your nation after checking Celarious. Try this one too: The next time you vote on an Issue, take note of the names of the characters who are presenting the various options; select one of the options and click; observe the names of said characters have completely changed when the page comes up again with your choice highlighted.
Depending which way I enter it, my nation page describes me as "devout", "safe", or skips the adjective and puts "renowned for its burgeoning forest cat population".
It's obvious that the programmers are "toying with us" when they program the effects of certain decisions, but these errors that I mention above say that there are three separate nation pages for me on their server, improperly linked so that I will arrive at one or the other depending on where I start out.
Tonchi, your country is described as each thing because of a certain way you voted on one issue. You have voted on too many issues to have every adjective come up in the description. So it picks a random handful each time you load the page. One minute you might be "devout, safe, and intelligent," and another time "intelligent, burgeoning forest cats, and safe," and so on. But you will never be "devout" one minute and "not-devout" the next, unless you vote on an issue to swing yourself the other way.
My experiment is coming along as expected. I have two countries which I'm treating totally differently. In Stormieweatherites, all decisions are made with freedom of choice and social welfare as priorities. In Velvet and Steel, all issues are resolved with my personal (the government) comfort and status in mind. It is interesting to watch the gap between the two widen.
Stormie
That's an interesting experiment.
But you will never be "devout" one minute and "not-devout" the next, unless you vote on an issue to swing yourself the other way.
It was at precisely this point that I thought all was not right with the programming. I voted AGAINST having a "religious adviser" or any official religious position for the nation. Next thing I know, my nation has become "devout". I voted for exactly the oposite :3_eyes:
Well I joined just as y'all getting bored with it, isn't that always the way....
Still, it will be interesting to see how my lil nation does. Will probably become a haven for dope smokers, paedos and gun runners and prove all the articles in the Daily Mail true!
I'm going to continue to "play", but my mentality is to examine things and see how they work, so if something does not work the way it is supposed to I get upset and try to see whether it can be fixed. The other thing which upsets me is how the supposedly same size nation will end up with hundreds of billions of residents in their profile, something which is patently impossible.
If you want to move things along faster, just change your options to get the maximum number of issues per day. That is less boring ;)
Yeah, the two issues thing help, but they give you such limited choices. For example, I voted that people on bicycles should not have the right to make demonstrations that brings the city's rush hour traffic to a standstill. Now my nation is listed as preventing any bicycle from using the road.
They should rename the game "Illogical Extreme".
What Marichiko mentions is why I dismiss at least 20% of these Issues. First I decide whether government on a national level has any business deciding said issue. Then I consider what idiotic thing will happen to my nation description if I chose one or the other option. For instance, the one about whether the Nazis should be prevented from having a rally: I dismissed that one after going through my evaluation process, 1. because it said "in the city" and I am the government of the whole nation, not each city individually; 2. because I could just imagine that if I chose the Free Speech option my profile today would say "North Elasia streets are overrun with violent racist marches".
I must be doing something right because today they are saying my nation has the happiest citizens :)
I must be doing something right because today they are saying my nation has the happiest citizens :)
Must've increased the Soma ration eh? ;)
I know it's a game, and a simple one at that. But I kinda see what Tonchi means. I voted against cash for organs - it's something I feel quite strongly about (despite - in my darkest days - wishing it were legal to sell mine after death so my parents could bury me without financial burden if I committed suicide!).
All of a sudden the organ donation rate has dropped amongst my supposedly compassionate & intelligent populace! Hardly.
I was also asked whether they could eat my national animal. As I chose the pufferfish I decided to dismiss due to the danger in untrained hands!
Overall an amusing diversion. Errrr - has anyone thought about the fact a banned member is part of Cellarious....?
gotta have some country acceptable to invade or just plain nuke.
http://www.cybernations.net/ has wars. I haven't tried it yet, though.
I was just reading about Ibramia. The national animal is the dolphin "which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation."
Damn tree dwelling dolphins.
Meh - I have Pufferfish that roam freely through the forests. And they want me to legislate being able to eat them...
My duck-billed platypusses, uh, platypi, uh..whatever, are doing fine in my nation's many lush forests! :)
I'm actually surprised that between the strip mining for uranium and the many excellent sauces and marinades that I've got a single moose left.
I went the wind power direction, apparently the goats are not getting flayed by the blades.
I'm actually surprised that between the strip mining for uranium and the many excellent sauces and marinades that I've got a single moose left.
You actually have two of them. They are hiding in your shed with the lawnmower. :elkgrin: