WHAT GROUP ANNOYS YOU THE MOST ?
the hanson's
what's ur point?
Politicians making ads about other politicians instead of telling me what they stand for so I can decide.
Germans in RMNP. "Shtund next to da moose dahlink. Try feeding her cheetos"
People who stand near the door on buses when there are plenty of seats further down. They deserve to have their feet stepped on and my elbow in their midriff. And they get it.
Hypocritical conservative pseudo-religious repubicans
Germans in RMNP. "Shtund next to da moose dahlink. Try feeding her cheetos"
With the rental van parked in the middle of the narrow mountain road.
Elspode, you need your new tagline....
Politicians - ALL of them. Especially at election time.
Any hypocrite... one in particular is anyone who can walk the store or mall but uses a disabled sticker/permit.
Live your ethics/morality.
the hanson's
what's ur point?
Slightly off topic, but I fucked the chic in the hanson's.
I usually find myself more annoyed by individuals.
Slightly off topic, but I fucked the chic in the hanson's.
She's a man, man!
Parisiens in America.
Parisians - Those in America, paris or anywhere else. Worst thing is I really don't know why. :(
I have found that there are two, very different, types of Parisians. Some are very cool... they are the minority.
I don't like people whose screen name doesn't have an a, e, i, or o in it. :p
I can't stand people whose screen name doesn't involve numbers.
Heheee...just joshin'
Mine actually means three things, hence the 123.
1) 1/16th Shawnee Indian
2) Boyfriend named Shawn
3) The area of town where we live is called Shawnee
Now, what happens when we break up and I move?
:(... but I like you....
*sad rob*
People who waste energy trying to decide who they hate the most.
Yeah people, listen to capnhowdy. This is America....hate everyone equally.:thumb:
People who waste energy trying to decide who they hate the most.
Follow the Captain.
Slightly off topic, but I fucked the chic in the hanson's.
lol 3foot, I'm hoping you did it in the dark and from behind then?
People who hide behind "for the children" to try to get rid of things they disapprove of.
lol 3foot, I'm hoping you did it in the dark and from behind then?
Now that you mention it, her clit was kind of ginormous.:eek:
Now there's a thought for a new thread.... who's the most famous person you've screwed?
Yeah people, listen to capnhowdy. This is America....hate everyone equally.:thumb:
Can't I hate people with
really nasal voices a bit more?
Litterally or metaphorically Jay?
Liberals
Philadelphia sports fans
The French
Mothers of out of control children who think they are stifling a kid's creativity by making them sit quietly in a restaurant or behave in a civilized manner while shopping
People who drive Volvos
Asshats
The (Sarah) Brady Bunch
Mimes (double points for French Mimes)
Not necessarily in that order
Yeah...those bloody stupid mothers give me the shits too. Not for very long usually though. If they don't tell their kids off, I usually do. Why should the child and the mother have more right to do as they wish than me and my family do?
I don't like people whose screen name doesn't have an a, e, i, or o in it. :p
:finger: no wonder you didnt want to see MY twat
:p
Now that you mention it, her clit was kind of ginormous.:eek:
:smack:
Generation Y.
Little, self obsessed, Ipod wearing, know-it-all, self obsessed, only child TWERPS!!!
...get my take away order wrong again ya little snot, and I'll morph into the ugly older brother you-never-had-but-should-have-had, so he could of broke your toys and built some character in you, you arrogant SOB.
Just 'cause you can "Google" it doesn't mean YOU know everything. Smartarse.
hurumph.
:finger: no wonder you didnt want to see MY twat
:p
Woops! I don't like people whose screen name doesn't have an a, e, i, o, or
n. :redface:
I was refering to buddug, not you, light of my life. :blush:
(practitioners of Judaism) and (people of African descent).
what?
EDIT:
okay, truthfully:
people who think that watching "The Dog Whisperer" entitles them to make that "psshht" noise at other people's dogs
animal rights activists
emo kids
elitist flyfishermen
kids who put spoilers and "high performance" type stickers on their stock Hondas
elitist painters who sniff at the Bob Ross method
people who think that America is the cause of Arab terrorism
parents who trample each other to get fad toys at Christmas
the women of "Flavor of Love"
Generation Y.
Little, self obsessed, Ipod wearing, know-it-all, self obsessed, only child TWERPS!!!
...get my take away order wrong again ya little snot, and I'll morph into the ugly older brother you-never-had-but-should-have-had, so he could of broke your toys and built some character in you, you arrogant SOB.
Just 'cause you can "Google" it doesn't mean YOU know everything. Smartarse.
hurumph.
Those kids are usually the children of the mothers who don't control them when they're out in public. One thing leads to another... ;)
Kids these days need more hidings!
Sue Johanson
People who are rude to cashiers
Rude cashiers
Those who think that their opinion is right and yours is wrong
Those who make a big deal over trifles
Those who cannot read a label, so that I have to point to 3 breads before I figure out wtf they're talking about and they yell at me because somehow its my fault
The new cashier who I trained and now tells me I'm working too slow b/c I'm doing the extra work the manager asked me to do
I can't stand alot of ppl and if I had the choice I would put them all on an uninhabited island...I need a really large island, perhaps I should use Jupiter or Mars instead...
People who can't park their car between the lines. I work in a building with parking garage that is occasionally filled to capacity, so it's extra irritating to see some self-centered chump's car sprawled across into the spot next to it. As if they deserve a more comfortable entry and exit by having an additional foot or two free on either side of their car. As if it was natural that their manner of parking must inherently create an inconvenience for the next person looking for a space in that lot.
I however am an agent of Karma. My job is to refocus the inconvenience they have created so that it affects them alone. However my car is a bit smaller than most, and of late I have had much practice in backing into such reduced spaces in such a way that my car ends up neatly between the lines and their driver's door ends up with about two inches of space for available opening and closing.
It's a bit like making a little art project every week or two on my way into the office. Sometimes I take a quick picture with my cellphone, as trophy.
Only once have I had to face the other driver. I work late a lot, so usually the other car is gone bythe time I leave. (I assume they climb in through the passenger-side door.) But one day I came to my car and saw I really big guy standing near my car and the only other car in the lot, clearly his. When I say big, I mean wide. No way was he getting between those cars, and it was highly unlikely that he was going to climb in via the passenger door either.
He just stood back where I'm sure he couldn't help but notice that my car was parked reasonably and his was parked like a drunk 2-year-old had been behind the wheel. It was all clear, nothing needed to be said. I just got into my car and drove away.
I've forgotten what he was driving, but I bet he parks more carefully now.
The building security people have told me that people who can't park reasonably will be towed, but a) that seems excessive; b) then I'd have to wait for the tow truck to vacate that least spot; c) that just escalates from a parking problem (minor inconvenience) to a towed-car problem (exorbitant fees, major hassles). And besides, it seems so impersonal.
... but I bet he parks more carefully now.
...
I doubt it. Assholes are assholes. He probably feels that you are the asshole- parking so close to him, how rude of you.
...
Those who think that their opinion is right and yours is wrong
...
IMHO, you are wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong! Just wrong! Plain wrong. What a wrong opinion you have! And not only that, my opinion on this matter is right. Right, right, right... ;) :D
My third tooth.
My baby teeth. I still have four I need pulled, and none have never fallen out, I've always had to go to the dentist.
He just stood back where I'm sure he couldn't help but notice that my car was parked reasonably and his was parked like a drunk 2-year-old had been behind the wheel. It was all clear, nothing needed to be said. I just got into my car and drove away.
Beautiful...I love it. Nothing better for moron drivers than a clear object lesson.
People who let their animals relieve themselves in your yard.
People who let their animals relieve themselves in your yard.
Oh God, don't get me started!
I live in a very nice part of town on quite a fashionable shopping street, but for some reason there is a disgusting amount of dog poo on the pavement.
Personally I think it's old ladies who get too tired to walk their dogs to the park at the end of the road, and have never learned to carry poop-scooper bags. I also think I am being targeted by the same dog as it seems rather coincidental that it's right outside my flat so often
A friend came for dinner the other night and tramped some right up my front steps. I couldn't really blame him (and at least he noticed before coming in).
DISGUSTING
There, I told you not to get me started.
That is why you carry bags and pick it up. Think for a second.
Why should Sunday have to pick up someone else's dogs crap?
He was probably talking to dog owners. ;)
Well that'd be a reasonable assumption except that it'd also be reasonable to assume that all the dog owners on this site would pick up their own dogs crap. ;)
Uh huh, sure it would. :right:
Any hypocrite... one in particular is anyone who can walk the store or mall but uses a disabled sticker/permit.
Live your ethics/morality.
Ah, the sticker is there to warn you that their driving is disabled, not the driver. They get special places to park to keep them from hitting the cars belonging to the rest of us At least so I have observed. ;)
lol...ok, maybe not.
It is disgusting to let your dog crap on the footpath and not remove it though. They're pretty strict on it over here. Also, I think more people have yards so the dogs have their own place to crap. We have two dogs and they have their own yard. My sons get paid $5/week to clean up the crap in the yard. By my reckoning that's about 20 cents/crap.
Not bad for piece (of shit) work.
Teenagers who think the whole world wants to hear their music @ 100 decibels - yeah i have crappy neighbors ! :(
If you think your neighbors are crappy, stick around.
Welcome to the Cellar, by the way. :D
If it's too loud, youre too old.
If it's too loud, youre too old.
Ha! Some of us can't hear anything anymore... Hey nice riffs you sent me, very 17th century.
That is why you carry bags and pick it up. Think for a second.
If this does refer to me, I can assure you I pick it up in front of my flat. Otherwise anyone from the postman to my elderly upstairs neighbour might step in it & walk it to the front door.
Don't bother on the rest of the street though - I'm just not that public spirited.
Welsh emigres to the Carribbean
Jackassess who block the road so they can have a conversation (or hold up a line of cars in carpool).... they don't care about the other traffic...
Jackassess who block the aisle (in the supermarket) because they're oblivious to others around them and lack common courtesy...
Jackassess who blare thump thump music from their whooptees - they don't care that the noise can not NOT be heard and it is always unwanted...
Jackassess who blare out dirty rap lyrics from their cars; I don't want my kids to hear this...much less myself..
Jackassess who yell profanity near small children and women.
Jackassess who read when they drive (yes...its true)
Jackassess who read when they drive (yes...its true)
I saw a guy on the Jersey Pike reading a BOOK. :mad:
Any hypocrite... one in particular is anyone who can walk the store or mall but uses a disabled sticker/permit.
Live your ethics/morality.
I can understand that, it annoys me too. Mr. Fargon may be getting a disabled sticker/plates, and there are days when he can walk fine and there are days when he cannot. To the casual observer he looks just fine.
I guess I get annoyed with people who conclude too quickly, assuming the worst of people, without knowing the complete situation.
Then there's that jerk that races by you in the left lane, gets in front of you, and slows way down. He needs to die! :shotgun:
Heh! I wonder if UG uses a pooper scooper? :rolleyes:
If this does refer to me, I can assure you I pick it up in front of my flat. Otherwise anyone from the postman to my elderly upstairs neighbour might step in it & walk it to the front door.
Don't bother on the rest of the street though - I'm just not that public spirited.
If it were on my street and I saw it... it would end-up in front of your building.
Wolves are far more discreet , and they notice everything .
rkz...I think you're missing the point here. SG picks up crap from other peoples' dogs from in front of her flat, but doesn't do that whole street. She's not saying she only picks up crap from her dog in front of her house. Geez...I haven't even seen her say she has a dog.
If it were on my street and I saw it... it would end-up in front of your building.
As Aliantha guessed - I don't have a dog. I have no intention of patrolling the streets cleaning up after other people that should know better - I don't pick up litter for the city, grit the pavement when it snows or clean graffiti off the walls either.
If we simply have crossed wires and you think I let my hypothetical dog crap all over the pavement then your response is fully justified.
Otherwise I think it's harsh, but it won't change my behaviour. I just want you to come & live in Leicester to deal with the problem
for me :)
Males who get out of line with the modesty of a female at stake.
Rapists ought to be hung, shot, castrated.
But if the girl victim dresses like a whore, I'd say she was asking for it.
Oh yeah and emos.
But if the girl victim dresses like a whore, I'd say she was asking for it.
i'm interested in your definition of 'dresses like a whore' --no khemar? No niqab? No hijab? no chador?
Yeah, let's hear it. I second that motion Nao. (Because the responses to this are usually so interesting)
Oh and define "emo" too because I think you may be talking about young teenage girls that listen to rock music.
Nao.....be very very careful how you answer these questions....can anybody say 'virtual lynching'?
Oh and the group that annoys me the most... people like me. My mum and I are very alike.....nobody can wind me up like my mum.
Nao.....be very very careful how you answer these questions....can anybody say 'virtual lynching'?
Nobody's lynching anybody. It's a question on an opinion. As in elementary school--there ARE no wrong answers.
Or is this the work of the PC police? Dana, I thought you were all for free speech? :lol: You're the last person i would have suspected of cautioning someone to speak their mind. Maybe Nao means something completely different, maybe she (he?) means a G-string and two pasties? My point is that no matter how you dress, rape is about power, control and opportunity. It's not really about sex. Ted Bundy tried that smoke and mirrors argument--no one bought it. Ted wanted control, Ted hated women. He wasn't a sex maniac, he wasn't a sex addict.
But if the girl victim dresses like a whore, I'd say she was asking for it.
Wow. Nao has justified rape of any girl on a beach wearing a bikini.
Wow. Nao has justified rape of any girl on a beach wearing a bikini.
Don't tell Dana. She's sensitive.
This is the 'what group annoys you the most' thread isn't it? I'm just wondering how a scantily clad woman can annoy anyone anyway...
Don't tell Dana. She's sensitive.
Not half as sensitive as the person who didn't spot the tongue in my cheek. It was a joke based on the fact I could see a mass lynching hovering just around the corner. It had nothing to do with me wanting to see said lynching.
Dana!
Sorry 'bout that--bit literal lately.
Oh, btw, no lynching was in the works. Promise.
Maybe the poster of that comment has his/her tongue in his cheek too? ;)
hehe I have a feeling that isn't the case....could be wrong.
Dana, referring to who(m)? Me or Nao?
If me--ah, honey, my niece's husband is a Pakistani national! She converted! I know the family! They invited us to help them roof their house!
okay chuck- to Bri. I don't think he was being tongue in cheek - about Nao.
Don't think there's a strong connection between your neice's in-laws and Nao having a rather retro view of rape.
I do hope Nao is joking (my original assumption) because otherwise that's a revolting point of view in my opinion.
I don't care if a woman dresses in a way that reminds a man of a woman who has sex for money, it still does not give that man any justification for entering her with his erect penis against her will.
Just because you live in a large house, it doesn't mean you are at fault when someone batters the door down.
rkz...I think you're missing the point here. SG picks up crap from other peoples' dogs from in front of her flat, but doesn't do that whole street. She's not saying she only picks up crap from her dog in front of her house. Geez...I haven't even seen her say she has a dog.
OOoooooh.... [SIZE="1"]
"nevermind".[/SIZE]
I do hope Nao is joking (my original assumption) because otherwise that's a revolting point of view in my opinion.
I don't care if a woman dresses in a way that reminds a man of a woman who has sex for money, it still does not give that man any justification for entering her with his erect penis against her will.
Just because you live in a large house, it doesn't mean you are at fault when someone batters the door down.
Wouldn't that be a small...teeny tiny...house? :D
lol what bikini ? bikini dont equate to whore.
i thought you'd know what i meant by 'whore'. anyways...
to put it short, a girl who dresses and behaves like a prostitute. if she doesn't want to be taken for one, she should just watch herself. I dont know how else to explain what i mean, i just ate two kinder buenos and i feel kinda queasy...
i think im being harsh in that earlier comment, am i ? : P my bad, sorry ! maybe im too young and impulsive, not thinking if ive said the wrong thing. im working on that right now...
emo>
im being stereotypical. it's the hair, the emo hair that puts me off. hair that screams out 'i'm emo, hug me'. it's quite annoying. thats just my opinion.
oh yeah and... i admit im rather conservative, if anyone wonders.
Emo is what I said but, just to warn you, being right-wing doesnt make you a whole lotta friends here...
just a friendly warning, dear.
i thought you'd know what i meant by 'whore'. anyways...
to put it short, a girl who dresses and behaves like a prostitute. if she doesn't want to be taken for one, she should just watch herself.
You're entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to find it repugnant.
We're talking about rape. Not wolf whistles, catcalls, propositions, leering etc. Yes - if a woman chooses to go out looking like she'd suck you off in an alley for a fiver then she can expect that reaction. This does not make it any more acceptable for her to be held down and penetrated against her will. I don't go along with the idea that men can't help themselves and it's the woman who is to blame.
to put it short, a girl who dresses and behaves like a prostitute. if she doesn't want to be taken for one, she should just watch herself. I dont know how else to explain what i mean, i just ate two kinder buenos and i feel kinda queasy...
Are prostitutes asking to be raped? I thought they were asking to be paid for sex.
Nao, I got your back. ;)
Conservative survival guide to the Cellar, Cliff's Notes version:
But just so you know, many of the people here would rather be skinned alive and dipped in pepper sauce than acknowledge that any opinion from right of center is valid. Most wouldn't let their 15-year-old daughter leave the house dressed like a tart, but they won't admit it to each other. Kind of like Baptists who don't wave to each other in the liquor store.
It's hard at first to not to get your feelings hurt when yours is the minority viewpoint and 10 people jump your shit at once, but once your skin thickens, it's not a big deal.
In other words, if you believe that a woman dressing provocatively is ... provocative, say it as loud as you want, and don't worry about the people who will react with horror, disgust, and outrage. You get to voice your opinion too, even if it's not part of the uber-liberal circle jerk that occasionally forms in here.
One caveat: Don't combine dissenting opinion with caustic attitude -- even if the majority attitude is caustic as well. The blood is in the water when you say something "wrong", but the feeding frenzy won't start unless you respond in kind to the nasty one-liners. It's not fair, but it's the law of the land. Only a handful of people here really get off on trying to be hurtful, but even they are easy to get along with once you learn their triggers and avoid pressing them.
Sacred cows: feminism, gays, hatred of Bush. Approach these at your own risk.
If you get into a real bind, post nipple pics to calm the waters (check local laws).
...than acknowledge that any opinion from right of center is valid.
C'mon, Noodle, it's valid, it's just *wrong*, too.;)
Kind of like Baptists who don't wave to each other in the liquor store.
Like anti-gay pastors who don't wave to each other while they're having sex with each other.
In other words, if you believe that a woman dressing provocatively is ... provocative, say it as loud as you want,
Just don't insinuate that's it's ok to rape her because she's dressed provocatively.
I'd like to see women dress more conservatively.
and don't worry about the people who will react with horror, disgust, and outrage. You get to voice your opinion too, even if it's not part of the uber-liberal circle jerk that occasionally forms in here.
Only uber-liberal to the ultra-right wing-nuts.:D
One caveat: Don't combine dissenting opinion with caustic attitude -- even if the majority attitude is caustic as well.
Tell us who is more caustic than UG and Maggie - both nasty conservatives?
...Only a handful of people here really get off on trying to be hurtful,
And, lucky you, they're all on your side.
..
Sacred cows: feminism, gays, hatred of Bush. Approach these at your own risk....
And gun control. Bringing up gun control makes the conservatives *crazy*.
Nao, I got your back. ;)
Conservative survival guide to the Cellar, Cliff's Notes version:
But just so you know, many of the people here would rather be skinned alive and dipped in pepper sauce than acknowledge that any opinion from right of center is valid. Most wouldn't let their 15-year-old daughter leave the house dressed like a tart, but they won't admit it to each other. Kind of like Baptists who don't wave to each other in the liquor store.
It's hard at first to not to get your feelings hurt when yours is the minority viewpoint and 10 people jump your shit at once, but once your skin thickens, it's not a big deal.
In other words, if you believe that a woman dressing provocatively is ... provocative, say it as loud as you want, and don't worry about the people who will react with horror, disgust, and outrage. You get to voice your opinion too, even if it's not part of the uber-liberal circle jerk that occasionally forms in here.
One caveat: Don't combine dissenting opinion with caustic attitude -- even if the majority attitude is caustic as well. The blood is in the water when you say something "wrong", but the feeding frenzy won't start unless you respond in kind to the nasty one-liners. It's not fair, but it's the law of the land. Only a handful of people here really get off on trying to be hurtful, but even they are easy to get along with once you learn their triggers and avoid pressing them.
Sacred cows: feminism, gays, hatred of Bush. Approach these at your own risk.
If you get into a real bind, post nipple pics to calm the waters (check local laws).
Wow , great read...a good mind. You must be a commentary writer or a stand up comedian. I love sarcasm. It takes an agile mind to be smart but simple and to the point. :lol:
oh and it makes that pirate hat at bedtime even more cool.
And, lucky you, they're all on your side.
One thing I liked about the cellar was I thought there were 'no sides'???
Must we have 'sides'?? I don't want to belong to any group, or if I post to someone I can't post to someone else on the percieved 'other side' ??
it's all so mundane that way...:greenface
Ok, Ok--in the interest of NOT offending the gods of Right, Good and Common Sense (the ones noodle knows intimately), let me say this: Feel free to imagine rape as the logical conclusion to your own definition of provocative clothing.
Just don't sit in any jury.
One thing I liked about the cellar was I thought there were 'no sides'???
...
I think Noodle just defined "the lines". Ask him.
Just don't insinuate that's it's ok to rape her because she's dressed provocatively.
It's never okay to rape someone. By telling someone that it's a bad idea to play in traffic, are you insinuating that it's okay for someone to run over them?
I'd like to see women dress more conservatively.
Why?
Tell us who is more caustic than UG and Maggie - both nasty conservatives?
UG and Maggie hold their own, to be sure. But it could be said they fight fire with fire.
And, lucky you, they're all on your side.
Examples? Difficulty: don't cut out the preceding post.
And gun control. Bringing up gun control makes the conservatives *crazy*.
Not around here. Some places, yes. This is a guide to the Cellar, though.
Nao: observe.
Ok, Ok--in the interest of NOT offending the gods of Right, Good and Common Sense (the ones noodle knows intimately)
Hmm. Not quite an ad hominem attack, but definitely setting the stage for confrontation. How shall I respond?
A) fuck you
B) mea culpa, you're so right, I take it all back, whatever it was.
C) skip this part and go on to the actual point of the argument (hoping that one will appear)
A is the choice of kindergarteners. No point to it, other than satisfying the base urge to "get back" at someone who's just thrown a rock at you.
B is what they
want you to say, but you won't be believed if you say it, anyway. Will probably achieve no more than A, and would be a lie.
C is the choice of the survival-minded conservative.
let me say this: Feel free to imagine rape as the logical conclusion to your own definition of provocative clothing.
Just don't sit in any jury.
As often happens, the argument has been twisted to fit a paradigm that is no longer accurate. You know you didn't say this, they know you didn't say this. But now you can't continue to make your original argument, because you have to defend yourself against the new allegation -- "You are pro-rape". You thought you said, "It's not really smart to walk around with your tits out", but you have now been informed that what you
actually said was, "Rapists have the right to victimize women with their tits out."
Your choices:
A) repeat yourself ad nauseum until one of you gets bored and leaves
B) enter a sexual predator rehabilitation facility, because you now know that you are a rapist at heart
C) do nothing; let them "win" and just be content in the knowledge that they're being deliberately obtuse, and to their own detriment.
I suppose any of the choices will work, depending on your level of commitment and spare time.
... But now you can't continue to make your original argument, because you have to defend yourself against the new allegation -- "You are pro-rape". You thought you said, "It's not really smart to walk around with your tits out", but you have now been informed that what you actually said was, "Rapists have the right to victimize women with their tits out."
Nao didn't say, "It's not really smart..." - that has been said by other posters on other threads and I certainly didn't pick them up on it. Nao said that (to paraphrase) women who have their tits out
is asking for rape.
I don't need to exaggerate that by claiming he said rapists were right, or had the right or whatever. I find that hard enough to swallow exactly as it was written.
I don't think this is anything to do with left wing, right wing or a perceived liberal bias on my part. I don't even think it's because I'm a woman, although I concede it may be.
"You're asking for it" is accurate. Not in the sense that it excuses the criminal, but in that you have unnecessarily set yourself up as a target. You have the right to keep your door unlocked at night. It's a shame that you can't do it. But if you do, you're asking to be burgled. The burglar is still the criminal, the burglar should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The burglar is 100% to blame for 100% of the crime. None of that makes you less of an idiot for leaving your door unlocked.
noodle, I said to feel free to Imagine rape as the logical outcome to provocative dress, however you wish to define it. I didn't say I was ok with rape or advised for it.
Who, exactly, is twisting the words here?
and, please, do define what is slutty dress. To a guy in Australia it's not wearing chador or whatever cover-up he's into.
also--just for the hell of it: by your logic, strippers are begging to be raped. It's ok to rape them? Coz, they didn't "lock the front door"-? To be a stripper is to be an idiot? Asking for it?
In England they've a newspaper that prints photos of topless women, called Page 3 Girls, I believe. are they asking for it, too?
"You're asking for it" is accurate. Not in the sense that it excuses the criminal, but in that you have unnecessarily set yourself up as a target. You have the right to keep your door unlocked at night. It's a shame that you can't do it. But if you do, you're asking to be burgled. The burglar is still the criminal, the burglar should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The burglar is 100% to blame for 100% of the crime. None of that makes you less of an idiot for leaving your door unlocked.
I have trouble with the phrase "asking for it" in the first place. To me it does attribute at least partial blame to the victim.
So I will use - increasing your risk
If a woman walks home alone, especially in a lonely are - she is increasing her risk of being violently attacked
If she gets in a car with a stranger - she increases her risk of attack
If she is alone and obviously drunk - she increases her risk
All sad but true
But I don't think you can compare a woman's clothing to leaving your house unlocked. The woman is responsible for maintaining her own security - the equivilant of locking her windows and doors - stay in company, get a cab home, stay sober enough to know what's going on around you. But why should she not choose not to buy a big house with a well maintained garden, a poolhouse and a double garage? It attracts the eye, it makes a statement, and it may attract more criminals - but it's
not asking for it.
Works better with cars but thought I should try for consistency of allusion.
No, they're *advertising* for it, but not by force. Think of a provocatively dressed female along the same lines as a restaurant bearing a sign that says "We reserve the right to refuse service to *anyone*". Yes, food is available, no, *you* can't have it...not unless you're dressed nicely, behave yourself, and probably have a big pile of money.
A girl has a right to reserve her loose morals/sexual generosity for the target of her choosing. Letting everyone know that it is probably available is just broadening one's possible selection pool. It is supposed to be understood that only select individuals need inquire.
*Edit* - Rape is bad, m'kay?
*Edit* - Rape is bad, m'kay?
Yes, but ONLY if the rapee is a woman society defines as 'respectable'--a woman with a shadow on her soul and a tit hanging out? well, she deserves what she gets. Let's not think about the many underlying causes for that exposed tit, let's just blame her for exposing it! (no need to implicate America for being so f****** Puritan in the first place)
God, it's so simple!
... and a tit hanging out? well, she deserves what she gets. Let's not think about the many underlying causes for that exposed tit, let's just blame her for exposing it!
Were you more affected by that Janet Jackson performance than you've admitted before?
Were you more affected by that Janet Jackson performance than you've admitted before?
[/tragic voice/]
"yes! Yes, I was! I was sooooo hoping for a shot of Timberlake's crotch! And what did I get? A middle-aged woman's TIT! It almost made me go out and rape somebody!"
[end/tragic voice/]
Brianna, you know as well as I do that sex outside of holy matrimony is an affront to Jehova; an abomination of Man. Therefore, harlots reap what they sow when they dress in a provocative and non-demure fashion.
Now...who wants to see my new line of designer burquas and veils? I also sell belly dancing accessories, but we make you sign a waiver saying that you won't sue us if you're raped while wearing them. After all, you would be scantily clad and gyrating provocatively, and you'd be just asking for it.
*sigh*
C
C
/exit
Um..am I supposed to understand that?
When you feel you're losing, you resort to this?
Or is there some mystical quality to the post that i am, as an Evil Liberal, once again, failing to divine?
OH! I get it! You are responding as the survival choice of the conservative minded!
You ever think that some conservatives might not agree with your views on rape?
I cannot even begin to fathom how what a woman is wearing or not wearing could be construed as an invitation to rape. What the hell is so hard about, "No means no"? Yes, I've been told "no" by women dressed hot enough to scald my fingers (which, in some cases, I actually had down their panties, with their willing participation, when they said "no").
The blame is on the rapist, never the victim. Now, if a lady gives it up, then cries rape *after having given consent* in a fit of remorse or psychosis, we have a valid argument about the lady being to blame. Otherwise...no means no.
And Noodle, I am in no way directing my sarcasm at you. My sarcasm is directed at the incredibly Puritanical, misogynistic rhetoric which exists in our culture that even makes discussions like this necessary. To me, it should be glaringly obvious that a woman should not be forced into sex under any circumstances, most especially by dint of dress or mannerisms. But because of cultural, largely religious influences, people still seem to be able to imagine a world where the raped can be at fault.
The [rapist] is still the criminal, the [rapist] should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The [rapist] is 100% to blame for 100% of the crime.
*Doubly* not blaming Noodle. Fact of the matter is, I get kinda lost in these lengthy threads. But I'm still not pointing the finger at Noodle.
Zealotry of any kind stinks, and our society is being boiled in it these days, all for power and profit. Morality doesn't enter into it at all.
re: Brianna asking why I left -- I'm leaving because it's pointless to continue. I've said what I said, anyone can read it and figure out what it meant. You are continuing to throw rocks, hoping I'll pull a bmw and respond in kind. Sorry, that bores me. As does trying to find 150 ways to say the same thing in a way that you can't respond to with "oh yeah? well you're a poopoo head!" That magic sentence doesn't exist, because you enter every debate with a chip on your shoulder, and flatly refuse to be civil.
Let me say 2 things in no uncertain terms, and with no room for misinterpretation:
Rape is inexcusable.
Deliberately dressing to attract sexual attention works. Unfortunately, you don't have the luxury of screening which kind of attention you get, and thereby experience ONLY the reactions you wanted. Of course, you are entitled to individually prosecute every occurrence of ogling, catcalls, unwanted sexual advances, etc. etc. I personally think it would be easier to just put on some clothes. Your mileage may vary.
As I was telling Nao, if you say something like that, expect to have people misrepresent it, and start making cracks like
Brianna, you know as well as I do that sex outside of holy matrimony is an affront to Jehova; an abomination of Man. Therefore, harlots reap what they sow when they dress in a provocative and non-demure fashion.
Now...who wants to see my new line of designer burquas and veils? I also sell belly dancing accessories, but we make you sign a waiver saying that you won't sue us if you're raped while wearing them. After all, you would be scantily clad and gyrating provocatively, and you'd be just asking for it.
[/tragic voice/]
"yes! Yes, I was! I was sooooo hoping for a shot of Timberlake's crotch! And what did I get? A middle-aged woman's TIT! It almost made me go out and rape somebody!"
[end/tragic voice/]
well, she deserves what she gets. Let's not think about the many underlying causes for that exposed tit, let's just blame her for exposing it!
also--just for the hell of it: by your logic, strippers are begging to be raped. It's ok to rape them? Coz, they didn't "lock the front door"-? To be a stripper is to be an idiot? Asking for it?
In England they've a newspaper that prints photos of topless women, called Page 3 Girls, I believe. are they asking for it, too?
Out of all that, only about 3 lines are any kind of civilized discussion. As I told Nao, only people with certain viewpoints are allowed this sort of behavior, while we would get instant "asshole" labels because of our conservatism.
While we're on the topic though, I'll take a stab at the few bits that approach normal conversation.
well, she deserves what she gets. Let's not think about the many underlying causes for that exposed tit, let's just blame her for exposing it!
Again (and again, and again), "deserving" rape and making yourself a more appealing target for it are two different things. The underlying causes make fine discussion over coffee and biscuits, but they don't do you much good in realtime. If someone decides to make you a victim, you don't have a whole lot of time to ask them about their relationship with their mother before they have forced themselves on you. Unless you have a gun :D
also--just for the hell of it: by your logic, strippers are begging to be raped. It's ok to rape them? Coz, they didn't "lock the front door"-? To be a stripper is to be an idiot? Asking for it?
Overlooking the "begging to be raped" and "ok to rape them" mischaracterizations for the moment, yes. I have known many strippers. Almost all of them have been victims of some kind of criminal sex-related activity. Some of them were working on the side after hours and got raped or beaten. Some were stalked by customers. 2 of them (I dated them both) told me they got into the work because they had been raped, and wanted to feel power over men...don't ask me how they expected to achieve this by dancing. They were, without exception, mentally and spiritually beat up, and sick of life. I was trying to talk one friend out of working at the Hunt Club (the unofficial name is the Cunt Hub), and couldn't do it. She was going to get rich. Instead, she got a meth addiction.
By the way, you east coasters should be glad that it's still just crack out there. When meth hits you, you will think it's armaggedon. [/sidetrack]
In England they've a newspaper that prints photos of topless women, called Page 3 Girls, I believe. are they asking for it, too?
If they're walking to the grocery store in their Page 3 attire, probably.
edit: elspode, I usually ken where you're coming from. But you're still making my point to Nao :lol:
Conservatism gets hammered, any flavor of liberalism is to be fellated by all.
Illogical conservatism gets hammered. I just don't see it as illogical that a woman, even if totally nude, should be able to go about her nude business without being molested.
If I go away for the weekend, and someone breaks into my house, I was inviting that by not being home? If I'm walking with a limp, and thugs run me down because I looked like I couldn't get away, should I stay indoors until I no longer am limping?
I am not arguing the fact that criminals should be prosecuted. Hell, I think they should be *executed*. How's that for Liberalism? Sometimes, I think the Death Penalty for car stereo theft would be a major deterrent. I don't think anyone should victimize anyone else, and I don't think that, when someone *is* victimized, we should start adding their vulnerability, even when self-generated, to the equation.
Saying that women who dress provocatively are asking to be raped is conservatism? I guess I'll take your word for it, but that isn't the reason it gets hammered.
Well. I guess i got told.
I am pretty fuqing stupid, thinking the way I do, that I might in some small way matter.
Nothing matters except what I am told matters.
Thanks for clearing that up, noodle--and, for the love of your own god, please don't martyr yourself on another one of my stupid, cunt-ing posts ever again.
Nao, are you taking notes?
Have I ever, ever, ever, ever said that someone deserves rape? Not once. But what gets thrown back in my face? The same tired old line. "Asking for it" does not mean that you deserve it. My parents told me all the time, "If you go there, you're asking for trouble." It's a figure of speech. But when it suits your argument to turn it into something else, that's what happens.
You could say that by interjecting my opinion, knowing what was likely to happen, I was asking to get slammed. Does that mean I don't have a right to my opinion? Certainly not, or at least I hope not. But, I knew Brianna was going to come out guns blazing, and I said my peace anyway. Cause and effect. I can't control Brianna, but if I really really wanted to do everything in my power to keep from getting reamed out, I wouldn't say certain things around her.
Class dismissed. <3
Saying that women who dress provocatively are asking to be raped is conservatism? I guess I'll take your word for it, but that isn't the reason it gets hammered.
No, saying that women who dress provocatively are asking to be raped is *illogical*. I wasn't the one who linked Conservatism and the dress=asking to be raped notion.
I do think it fair, though, to generally characterize Conservatives as being consevative about sexual matters, and less than generous about complications thereof. When one's notion (and I'm not saying that you, specifically, have this notion) is that open sexuality is inherently bad, then the notion that bad things will happen to you is likely to follow.
Obviously, not all Conservatives hold to such notions, but the overall increase in sexual repression and the notion that it is bad that seems to be accompanying our slide toward theocracy and conservatism lately.
I don't hold Truth. I hold opinions.
I was just snitty in that last post. Let's see what response I get.
Noodle
Not sure if you saw nothing of worth in my post, and not sure if I want to keep on with this, but to clarify my position:
- "You have an Aston Martin? You're just asking to have it stolen"
- "You leave your Aston Martin unlocked? You're just asking to have it stolen"
I don't believe dress puts women at risk, but behaviour (rightly or wrongly) can.
- "She dressed like a whore, she was asking to be raped"
- "She walked home drunk late at night, she was asking to be raped"
In both cases the language is harsher than I would choose, but only the second statement of each pair describes irresponsible behaviour.
I was just snitty in that last post. Let's see what response I get.
noodle, I like and respect you. I feel you give a valuable Christian insight into sticky matters. I love Jesus. I try to follow Jesus (coz, of all the gods, he was the coolest and least vengeful--his father, not so much) --I pick at you because I am horribly self-centered and believe I can expand your already stretched horizon.
The fact that you can't "control Brianna" should not concern you in the least. I, myself, have no such designs on you.
No, saying that women who dress provocatively are asking to be raped is *illogical*. I wasn't the one who linked Conservatism and the dress=asking to be raped notion.
I know, I was responding to mrnoodle, but you snuck in first.
I think that the two sides are only a step or two away from reconcilitation here, SG's last post was very similar to what MN has been saying. If we say that the Aston Martin is being equated with a hot womans body, then what's being said that it's not having the car, it's leaving it unlocked on the street that's the stupid part. In the same way, it's not "Very attractive women shouldn't let others know they are attractive", it's "very attractive women shouldn't make themselves beacons of opportunity for criminals". I think this works best when you assume that the context of stupid dress is also linked to other vulnerabilities such as location and company.
Overtly sexual behavior is *still* not an invitation to rape, up to and including pulling down your pants. Further, I'd say that, even if you've started the copulatory act, and she says, "No, stop"...you still have to stop.
Call me foolish.
As a Buddhist, you never "ask" to be raped. Others are always in control of their behavior and they choose to rape you... it is always 100% their fault. It does not go beyond that. No consent or "no", at any time, is rape... end of story.
No one can make you do anything, unless they physically overpower your or threaten you, or another, with violence and/or death.
Every action is a choice, regardless of how it feels... this includes addictions and compulsions like rape.
No consent or "no", at any time, is rape... end of story.
but you're missing the vital action of the sperm. If a man is stimulated enough, so the theory goes, he is
just not responsible for what ensues. She, indeed, asked for it. She, harlot, MADE him think of sex, specfically sex with HER wanton self and therefore gets what she deserves.
Wasn't that already covered?
EDIT: Damn, Bri beat me to the puch, aimed at Els and rkzen
Thinking and acting on it are two different things... sarcasm aside.
I'm, pretty-much, always thinking of sex.
For example, women in Iraq are asking for it if they don't start wearing burquas now that the Sharia folks are in charge.
I don't think so.
I have never before heard "asking for it" used in a way that doesn't confer some or all culpability on the person "asking". If you don't intend to place culpability on them, don't use that phrase. A person strapping a rocket engine on their Vespa is asking for a Darwin Award. There is no form of clothing that is asking for a rape.
Wasn't that already covered?
EDIT: Damn, Bri beat me to the puch, aimed at Els and rkzen
whatever I can do to forward your hateful agenda pleases me because it pleases YOU.
Howzat for femininity? No doubt, you approve and endorse.
Spare me your protestations.
Though... your school girl scenario did "make me".... um... let's talk of something else.
(good married man... good married man!)
Noodle
Not sure if you saw nothing of worth in my post, and not sure if I want to keep on with this, but to clarify my position:
- "You have an Aston Martin? You're just asking to have it stolen"
- "You leave your Aston Martin unlocked? You're just asking to have it stolen"
I don't believe dress puts women at risk, but behaviour (rightly or wrongly) can.
- "She dressed like a whore, she was asking to be raped"
- "She walked home drunk late at night, she was asking to be raped"
In both cases the language is harsher than I would choose, but only the second statement of each pair describes irresponsible behaviour.
No, no, your post was valuable. I was still in arguing mode and haven't gotten to it yet. I'm still busy backing up my claim that conservatives have a longer row to hoe in the Cellar than libs. ( :lol: and :rolleyes: )
The fact that you can't "control Brianna" should not concern you in the least. I, myself, have no such designs on you.
I don't want to control you at all. When I say, "I can't control Brianna" it's a simple statement of fact. I'm pointing out that if Brianna is around, and knowing that, if I say certain things,
no matter how entitled I am to say them, I am "asking for" a certain response. In other words, the probability that I am going to get attacked is far greater than if I didn't exercise my right.
In a perfect world, you can walk around nude without anyone ever saying something mean, targeting you for assault, or judging your morality. That's because in a perfect world, you're not walking around nude in order to get a response. But this is an imperfect world. There are mean people and predators. When you walk around nude in
this world, it titillates, enrages, arouses, sickens, or amuses. But it does not go unnoticed. That's why it's done in the first place.
This is my umpteenth rewording of the same thing (dressing to get sexual attention gets both wanted and unwanted sexual attention), and all anyone will hear is "Noodle thinks rape is justified." I am ready to scream.
I don't think that.
If you dress provocatively and you are surprised by occasional unwarranted attention, you are an idiot.
It is not right... just the way it is.
If you are black or speak with a German dialect and surprised by the occasional racist remark... same goes.
This is why I don't leave my son alone at Disney World (yes, kids get snatched there)... it is not right, but a fact and one we have to live with.
No what I meant Bri was that my post was aimed at the two before yours, but you posted first. It wasn't a comment of any sort on the content of your post
noodle, I like and respect you. I feel you give a valuable Christian insight into sticky matters. I love Jesus. I try to follow Jesus (coz, of all the gods, he was the coolest and least vengeful--his father, not so much) --I pick at you because I am horribly self-centered and believe I can expand your already stretched horizon.
Um..noodle, you see this half of the post? At all? If you do not wish to acknowledge certain sentiments, bully for you. I still think they are valid. I'm definitely NOT at war with BornAgains--I was, briefly, one myself.
I think that the two sides are only a step or two away from reconcilitation here...
Okay. As I now understand it, we all think rape is bad, and we think that it is not possible for a woman to provoke rape, *but*, if she happens to dress or behave in a sexual manner, then it is reasonable to assume that someone somewhere might take that as an invitation, and a rape might be committed.
So...what about the 75 year old lady in her apartment, minding her own business, in her pincurls and bathrobe. How is it reasonable to predict the possibility of *her* attack? 'Cause those happen, too.
Um..noodle, you see this half of the post? At all? If you do not wish to acknowledge certain sentiments, bully for you. I still think they are valid. I'm definitely NOT at war with BornAgains--I was, briefly, one myself.
I wasn't sure whether to feel frightened or not. It was like someone chasing me with a baseball bat, then holding out a bunch of flowers :lol: But thanks anyway, I mean no disrespect either. :earth:
So...what about the 75 year old lady in her apartment, minding her own business, in her pincurls and bathrobe. How is it reasonable to predict the possibility of *her* attack? 'Cause those happen, too.
I don't think the two are related at all. Someone who is likely to rape a 75-year old has different motivations than someone who is guilty of date rape. It's like trying to find a correlation between gang murders and, say, a murder within a family. They're both murder, but there the similarity ends.
Date rape?
So now a girl who dresses sexy for a date, but doesn't want to go all the way is asking for it?
Nah. I didn't see that.
I think we should all just say, "Rape is bad, m'kay?", and agree that, while someone might act in such a way as to fail to minimize the possibility of rape, even if she *is* raped, she wasn't asking for it.
Has anyone here considered that Nao is most likely basing his responses on his cultural awareness?
Before you all go nuts about 'it doesn't matter it's still wrong', I do realise that. It's just a fact that's all.
I just wanna know where this liberal love is that Noodle talked about.
All the blue and white-haired empty-nester seniors that drive around my neighborhood in beige Cadillacs and Buicks and who turned their kids into snotty neocons. They're so conservative they have NO bumper stickers.
that group who thinks THEIR political party of choice isn't overflowing with sleazebags.
I nominate Mr Noodle for the 2006 Hubris Boy Award.:notworthy
Most wouldn't let their 15-year-old daughter leave the house dressed like a tart, but they won't admit it to each other.
Sure they would, not only admit it, but rag to each other on how badly the kids are dressing. Not because the kids are asking to get raped, because they are reflecting badly on their upbringing...
on their parents.
But if the girl victim dresses like a whore, I'd say she was asking for it.
I agree, absolutely. Now.... can we agree on what "it" is?
I suggest "it" is:
Attention from Women.....face it, women dress up, or down, to impress women, to be admired and envied, for either style, taste or daring, by women, 99.9% of the time. (statistic pulled, like most, from ass)
Attention from men.....wanting to be wanted, even lusted after, ogled, desired and approached. To attract the highly desirable and sought after, bad boys. Maybe even ravished, but not raped.
Further, I'd say that, even if you've started the copulatory act, and she says, "No, stop"...you still have to stop.
Call me foolish.
You're foolish. A woman that attempts coitus interuptus without offering alternative terminus, is really asking for it. :lol:
Well, at least asking to be permanently blacklisted for commiting one of the all-time rudest and least impressive acts
I agree, absolutely. Now.... can we agree on what "it" is?
I suggest "it" is [snip]... A woman that attempts coitus interuptus without offering alternative terminus, is really asking for it. :lol:
My suggestion for "it" at this point?
A face full of jizz
...
A face full of jizz
Whoah! That starlted me even more than LJ saying "cunt" :3eye:
My suggestion for "it" at this point?
A face full of jizz
I like the way you think. :thumb2:
Who knew that LJ expanded his repertoire to include cunt? I think it rounds out his whole ouvre.
And I'm pretty sure ravished is another way of saying raped, but my dictionary isn't handy.
Who knew that LJ expanded his repertoire to include cunt? I think it rounds out his whole ouvre.
And I'm pretty sure ravished is another way of saying raped, but my dictionary isn't handy.
bah, i'm an old cuntsman from
way back in the day.
that
thread is actually pretty funny in retrospect
As a verb I think it can mean either rape or consuming, passionate love. Talk about bridging the spectrum :rolleyes:
I typed out a reply but it got eaten up.
I came back from some major examination and there are now three pages of replies in light of my comment.
Firstly, I never said that rape is excusable. But perhaps I did not make my point clear. I hope I can clean things up now.
No one took notice of my first line, 'Rapists ought to be punished severely for their crime'. I detest men who outrage the modesty of females. But this world is made up so many, many, many men.
I grew up with the mentality that men are dirty things. They think of sex a lot. Men are such visual creatures. Therefore ladies should do their part to protect themselves. I was fed with that kind of thinking since young.
I hope I didnt conjure up some major misunderstanding.
So Nao, your comment was more that women should take a part in their own protection and not rely soley on the control of the men who might see them?
And I'm pretty sure ravished is another way of saying raped, but my dictionary isn't handy.
Ravished is rape with consent....rape where the woman doesn't say no, but breathes yes, yes, yes.....fulfilling unspoken fantasies.
Women fantasize about being ravished by pirates and outlaws and bikers. Hell, don't you ever read the dime novels.... men write? :lol:
Women fantasize about being ravished by pirates and outlaws and bikers. Hell, don't you ever read the dime novels.... men write? :lol:
We
do?
HellsBells--I thought that kind of thinking went out with the seventies--and, no matter how you dress it up, "ravished" means "raped".
Ever read Joyce Carol Oates--MAN CRAZY? Might be interesting for you. Just a random thought.
Transitive verb
ravish
1-To seize and carry away by violence; to snatch by force.
2-To transport with joy or delight; to delight to ecstasy.
3-To have carnal knowledge of somebody (male or female) by force and against their consent; to rape
After checking 18 dictionaries, about half are hip enough to put the rape meaning 2nd, 3rd or 4th.
Besides, who ya gonna believe, me or some stupid book. :p
I was trying to talk one friend out of working at the Hunt Club (the unofficial name is the Cunt Hub), and couldn't do it.
I think the "official" name is "A Hunt Club." I was skating roller derby at the roller rink next door to it for a while. I am not sure on the unofficial name, though. :)
I'll bet we know some of the same people.