Are conversations about relationships held hostage by political correctness?

What’s the sense of dialogue when it becomes a lousy tit-4-tat of insults and accusations?

Why isn't it about ideas and issues?

I lot heat but no light.

Is this how students are taught argumentation in school?

Have schools be come self-censored because of the PC police?

It depends. Is hypocrisy an "issue" to you?

You repeatedly ignored my question as to whether you were a virgin. You finally insinuated in another thread that you were once married, so I will assume the answer is no. I would like to rephrase:

On the day you were married, were you a virgin?

This may not seem like an "idea" or an "issue" to you, but I assure you it is leading up to one. If you are not held hostage by political correctness, you should be able to discuss such a thing frankly and honestly, no?

bmwmcaw wrote:

What’s the sense of dialogue when it becomes a lousy tit-4-tat of insults and accusations?

I only do that with you because you're an asshole. See? No PC there!

BM (hint hint) You said/typed "I lot heat but no light." What the hell does that mean?? That you like a lot of heat but shed no light on a subject??

Oh and I agree with Bri - YOU"RE an asshole and you act like a know it all. Me, I'm just a poor schmuck trying to do the best I can without TELLING other people how to live THEIR lives.:borg:

Have I missed something?

apparently, there must be a blackhole loose in one of the other threads here...

If you are adventurous, you can read all about it here:http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=10626&page=4

..wow, this is gearing up like the mari incident months ago

Bullitt wrote:

..wow, this is gearing up like the mari incident months ago

Naw. I'll bet he goes home and takes his ball with him.

Brianna wrote:

Naw. I'll bet he goes home and takes his ball with him.

Yeah, he doesn't strike me as being a tough old broad with strong mule tendencies. Think he'll post an insult to UT in big red caps? Then we could really have some fun! ;)

bmwmcaw wrote:

What’s the sense of dialogue when it becomes a lousy tit-4-tat of insults and accusations?

Why isn't it about ideas and issues?

I lot heat but no light.

Is this how students are taught argumentation in school?

Have schools be come self-censored because of the PC police?

There's no point in trading insults. People become frustrated when a person with opposing views doesn't seem to be able to explain the context of their argument very well. I would suggest that this would mean the person hasn't learned very much about debating or in your words, argumentation.

If you want to learn about ideas and issues, you trade ideas and issues. It is highly inflamitory to suggest that people have lower moral standards simply because they have a different world view.

Perhaps if you address these 'issues and ideas' you may have more success with the people here.

bmw, did your wife dump you for a black guy? (or at least someone of a race not matching your or her own?)

Aliantha wrote:

I would suggest that this would mean the person hasn't learned very much about debating or in your words, argumentation.

Debating? You mean it's not debasing? Oh crap...:smack:

From observation;

I understand where you're coming from but don't agree (with or without reasons).....will fly.

You don't agree with me so you're an asshole and your mother wears combat boots.....will not fly

Just trying to help, ya know.

That's what I said Bruce!

xoxoxoBruce wrote:

From observation;


...You don't agree with me so you're an asshole and your mother wears combat boots.....will not fly

I dunno. That's UG's fav tactic, and people (self included) still can't resist engaging with him. Why do any of us bother? :smack:

No.
If someone cannot converse on a subject without being PC it just means they are ignorant, inarticulate or both. Probably the latter.
(Per the orig. post)

argumentation

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bmwmcaw wrote:

What’s the sense of dialogue when it becomes a lousy tit-4-tat of insults and accusations?

Why isn't it about ideas and issues?

I lot heat but no light.

Is this how students are taught argumentation in school?

Have schools be come self-censored because of the PC police?

I am answering this directly, despite having misgivings about your reasons for starting this thread.

I believe the sexual history thread really was about ideas and issues. I reposted in response to Bruce when he corrected one of my assumptions for example. I asked 9th Engineer for more input as his ideas were very different from mine and although I didn't think I could agree with him, I was interested in a different viewpoint.

The threads on Relationships in general do not follow PC themes. Perhaps there is a liberal bias on this board, but I think that is because people here have open minds and extensive life experience, not because we think "Oh God, I can't say that in case I offend someone!"

Witouth being patronising I suggest you read more threads here, and espeically on different topics. You might be surprised that someone you perceive as PC to the hilt is very conservative on other issues.

BTW I assume behind your typo you were saying, "I got heat but no light". Again, I refer you to 9th Engineer. Read his posts, the way they are written and how people have responded to him. It's not always what you say, it's how you say it.

There. I feel like a bit of a sucker for taking this seriously, but at least I feel I have made an effort now.

It's not so much political correctness around here. It's more that people want their points of view validated by the person they're arguing with, imo. If someone calls you an asshole, they don't want you to explain why you're NOT an asshole. They want you to admit that your argument isn't as good as theirs is.

There's a goodly number of women here ("liberated" ones, even). Cutting giant, sweeping swaths with your gender-based assumptions is going to get you labelled a misogynist. mysoginyst. misoginyst. whatever. We have several unapologetic assholes here, each with their take on the world. That's what makes it fun. Calling something PC is this year's Godwin. meh.

I love how so many of these threads (not just these relationship ones) are being taken over by people telling you what you should post and how you should post it...for EITHER side.

Opinions, accusations, facts, reality, non-reality, personal experience, out of world experience...thought all was fine fodder for conversational threads. You get your feet in the water, your feet are gonna get wet.

Now, however, I guess we should bring towels for those who get splashed.

BTW, there is a huge difference between polite and PC.

Some people get really pissed if you say negative, hateful things about, oh, I dunno, their religion or values; when you come off as Holier Than Thou. Yeah, people like that push my buttons.

Assholes, IMHO, are people who are constantly pointing out the speck in the eyes of others while the beam is firmly in place in their own.

mrnoodle wrote:

Cutting giant, sweeping swaths with your gender-based assumptions is going to get you labelled a misogynist.

Just like cutting giant, sweeping swaths about race-based assumptions is going to get you labelled a racist. If the head fits...

My point has been and continues to be; if you take a position for or against a subject, topic, or comment then say it and explain it.

I've answered many questions with concise and detailed rebuttles. What I have goten in return is personal attacks, insults, and "opinions" that are not referenced either by researchable material or direct observations.

My point in the other strings regarding biological differences between the sexes and its social impact was completely unaddressed.

The question of paternity was completely unaddressed as well as many other pointed topics that got no response.
Instead the poster turned to cheap shots and evading the issues by making the argument about me (or any other poster) instead of engaging the issues.

It’s fine to disagree. It’s great that you disagree. But making it personal is immature and weak. I would rather you not post anything than what I've seen posted by many of the so called intelligencia here.:(

Brianna, I think you misunderstood my point. I was telling bmwmcaw taht he should expect to get called on misogynistic comments.

You are making it a point to call me out ever since I took a position on my religion. I'm not sure why.

Brianna wrote:

Just like cutting giant, sweeping swaths about race-based assumptions is going to get you labelled a racist. If the head fits...

Between this, some random comment you made in another thread (I think the cellar pics) and the PM, you have me completely and utterly bumfuzzled.

I'm not attacking you, k? If anything, I'm not really even paying attention. Stop trying to manufacture a war where there is none. You ask my opinion on subjects, I'll give it (you don't even have to ask). But as far as some kind of personal deal........none exists. Sorry if you feel otherwise.

Edit: my internet explorer keeps crashing...i thought the previous post didn't go through. anyway, they both still apply.

I don't believe in being PC. I have my opinions and feelings and you are free to either agree, disagree or disregard them. I'm certainly not afraid to speak up on subjects that matter to me although I have no burning desire to convince anyone that I am 'right' or that my arguement has more basis in 'fact' than anyone else's. I am always interested in learning and if you have a persuasive arguement for your stance, I'll gladly listen and possibly even alter my point of view.

However, I find it pointless to engage in dialogue with someone who is unwilling to listen to my side or explain the reasoning behind their own opinion. Throwing an opinion out there and claiming it is fact with no room for negotiation or discussion will end my participation in the conversation very quickly.

I do try to be polite and not personally attack people who disagree with me. Personal attacks are usually a sign of a weak position and is really unnecessary in an intelligent conversation. I generally disengage when someone resorts to name-calling or personal insults.


Stormie

I would like to personally apologize to all the cellarites for my behavior.

Which behaviour are you aplogizing for yesman? lol

bmwmcaw wrote:

I would rather you not post anything than what I've seen posted by many of the so called intelligencia here.:(

Perhaps then you shouldn't post?

And many of us did address your "points" you apparently just misread them, or tagged a hostile attitude to what they were saying and therefore disregarded them. And the sources you used? not reliable whatsoever.

I've been rather confused about Bri lately myself, never crossed words on anything much before, but in a few posts it's like I need to change my sig to "This is not a personal attack Brianna" :greenface

Hmmmm...I think paranoia is setting in. From where I'm sitting it's been fairly clear who she's been responding to.

No, he's right, she's gone after him a few times... I think he's just dodging too close to her sights, which are aimed square between bmw's eyes.

:3eye: