Hypocritical USA haters in Levis...
Inspired more from other boards, but not completely...
Hanging out at Disney and on FL beaches bitching about how much they hate us, using their American based (or even fully American) education to figure out what they dislike about us, while having their parents treated for cardiovascular disease in NY and investing in Dell to retire in Arizona....
I say it all the time, we are "evil" when we "police the world" and then we are "evil" when we "refuse to police the world". They don't know what they want other than someone who is not afraid to make a decision to blame.
It's called envy.
Again, as always, don't use our cash, don't take our aid, don't use our technology (in any field), don't ask us to bail your ass out of any situation, don't come here for heart, brain surgery, vacation or retirement or send your kids to school here, don't come here to work so you can buy a home in your broke-ass country instead of staying there an fixing it yourself.... don't, don't, don't do shit with the US... THEN you won't have shit to complain about.
It's easy.
Don't like the US... stay the FUCK away from ANYTHING to do with us you pathetic little hypocrite. Stay in your own little nation and be happy.
I understand not liking an aspect... but that is not what I hear all the time... so if you "hate" us... then you hate all of it.
I am the biggest dissenter I know... but I am also a patriot.
I love this nation, that means I want to change it, from within, with caring and love for the citizens, with voting, by changing it's laws and by changing the hearts and minds of the citizens and by getting rid of the current administration (&, hopefully, prosecuting them).
What I have no room for are those that say that America is "BAD", that say Americans are "BAD", yet prosper from all they can from every aspect of our technology, economy, entertainment, military and every other form of advancements we have, when it suits them. How many of you are typing your bitching out on an American brand computer now, hypocrites?
If we are all bad, then we are ALL BAD and that means you should do away with ALL AMERICA IN YOUR NATION AND LIVES. Not just what you WANT TO and then KEEP THE PARTS YOU WANT, while acting like you hate us.
Like spoiled fifteen year olds that say they hate their parents, but take the allowance anyway.
RK; The Conservative Union of repubican Supporters (CURS) would like to inform you that your calls will be monitored henceforth, as will your e-mail. While CURS support freedom and liberty, you are only free to oppose democrats, not the repubicans or the cheney administration. Feel free to demonstrate against oval office blowjobs and the welfare program, but if you oppose this administration, you will be Plamed! :D
On Sept 12, 2001, I endosed temporarily closing our borders to non-Americans. That gesture would not only have protected us, it would have shown that the world would be worse off without us, and would likely have increased our esteem.
Nice rant.
I thought Levi jeans and Dell computers were made overseas these days.
The US Haters are just living the dream, taking with one hand and stabbing you in the back with the other, pure undiluted capitalism.
*boggle* wait...are you a republican? a democrat? Some unholy marriage of the two? Gasp...could you be an independent?
I CAN'T DECIDE!!!!
Please, choose either donkeys or elephants so that you can participate in the political process without looking like a total noob. kthxbai.
Pick it
Pack it
Fire it up, come along
And take a hit from the bong
Put the blunt down
Just for a second
Don't get me wrong
It's not a new method
Inhale
Exhale
Just got an ounce in the mail
I like a blunt, or a big fat cone
But my double-barrel bong
Is gettin' me stoned
I'm skill it
There's water inside don't spill it
It smells like shit on the carpet
Still it Goes down smooth when I get a clean hit
Of the skunky, phunky, smelly green shit
Sing mysong
Puff all night long
As I take hits from thebong
Hits from the bong y'all
Instead of marijuana, you're packin' it with neo-conservatism, which, while I'm sure it gets you higher (it obviously leads to hallucination), rots your brain.
Don't forget that they can say all this trash talk about the US, and hardly anyone will come and kill them in the night.
I am a democrat. My views from experience.
My little rants I usually keep inside.
A cashier newly hired responded to me in spanish. Then asked in english if I spoke spanish. I simply said no. He asked "why" I said "because I don't have to" and continued on my business. ( He was being a jerk)
Two middle eastern guys looking at the monday paper. The towers all ablaze. I made eye contact and said hello. Something other than hostility was there. Some kind of wanting to reach for a middle ground. To make amends. I didn't know if I wanted to appologize for that photo. Conflicting emotions. I didn't want anyone gloating for that act nor did I want to be a part of photo sensationalizm.
Driving in for gasoline. A stationed owned by Middle eastern indians. They have a photo of thier son hanging. He is a marine. They tell me thank you so much for comming in in such a way that spoke volumes. I said it was my pleasure. I walked out wondering how much hate comes their way because of the ignorance of people. Their hurt running double because they have a son serving now.
I don't like my credit card information outsourced to another country though.
I say it all the time, we are "evil" when we "police the world" and then we are "evil" when we "refuse to police the world". They don't know what they want other than someone who is not afraid to make a decision to blame.
Just like real policing, global policing and evil are orthogonal.
I am a democrat. My views from experience.
It's okay to stay a registered democrat after you discover that little separates you from the conservatives, if it makes you feel better.
Your guilt over the arabic-looking guys looking at pics of 9/11 is a clear liberal trait though. You don't need to feel guilty over something you didn't do, didn't cause, and neither did they.
Listen to Wolf. She's wise.
I haven't met a smart anti-neocon yet. A few who think they're smart, yes, but you couldn't prove it by me; the stupid say stupid things. Scratch an anti-neocon deep enough and the substrate looks indistinguishable from an anti-American. Just who the hell needs that?
It's okay to stay a registered democrat after you discover that little separates you from the conservatives, if it makes you feel better.
Your guilt over the arabic-looking guys looking at pics of 9/11 is a clear liberal trait though. You don't need to feel guilty over something you didn't do, didn't cause, and neither did they.
When there is another political party with enough clout to defeat the 'in house' republicans then I'll change otherwise it's a waisted effort. One person changing my affiliation won't change a thing. If democrats would come together in like mindedness there could be a radical change. I think the many is greater than the few in our American politics anyway.
I don't think alternating emotions of shame and protectiveness is guilt. I am ashamed of our government. I am ashamed of our sentationalistic media. Oh but I know they had a right to touch that photo. The same right they had to touch the model on the cover of the womans magazine. I know they weren't to blame. I put the blame on our government.
I haven't met a smart anti-neocon yet. A few who think they're smart, yes, but you couldn't prove it by me; the stupid say stupid things. Scratch an anti-neocon deep enough and the substrate looks indistinguishable from an anti-American. Just who the hell needs that?
You're like the crazy neighbor in sitcoms, aren't you? You waltz in, say something wacky and then disappear. :rolleyes:
Neo-Cons are not conservative in ANY way (smaller government, belief in the Constitution/Bill Of Rights... MY ASS!?) any more than today's Democratic party resembles the Democratic Party's true charter in any way... Clinton did WHAT to the nation's public lands?
Green or Libertarian is the wave of the future... I am a Libertarian, with some reservations on the hard-line environmental policy.
Back on topic...
What is pissing me off is that all Americans are lumped-in with Bush and his insane cohorts with these whiny bitches...
I live in the deep, DEEP, south, however, I have yet to hear the most nutty redneck lump all Iraqis in with the insurgency.
I haven't met a smart anti-neocon yet.
Ronald Reagan completely ignored the same neocons which are pulling the foreign policy strings now. He was smart which is confirmed by the current affairs.
Why do the Yanks always think people hate them when foreigners just hate their guvmint. We love y´all!
You're like the crazy neighbor in sitcoms, aren't you? You waltz in, say something wacky and then disappear. :rolleyes:
Archie Bunker´s alter ego. Annoying at the most, but usually good for a laugh.
Listen to Wolf. She's wise.
Only when she agrees with you, thouh. Right?
I haven't met a smart anti-neocon yet. A few who think they're smart, yes, but you couldn't prove it by me; the stupid say stupid things. Scratch an anti-neocon deep enough and the substrate looks indistinguishable from an anti-American. Just who the hell needs that?
That's OK. I've never met a smart conservative. Scratch one deep enough and it's the same selfishness inside every one of 'em. Put your republinders back on.
I live in the deep, DEEP, south, however, I have yet to hear the most nutty redneck lump all Iraqis in with the insurgency.
The deep south ends at the Florida border. You do not live in the deep south.
Florida is New York State, but with Bermuda shorts and a light jacket in February.
Selfishness??? Spexx, dear boy, you are without experience of William F. Buckley. You aren't going to find selfishness in that guy, nor stupidity. And then there are the right-of-center guys who can keep up with him.
And your first remark was utterly unworthy of reply. Resist the temptation to declare yourself a schmuck, okay?
You're like the crazy neighbor in sitcoms, aren't you? You waltz in, say something wacky and then disappear. :rolleyes:
Glatt, all I need say to this is "Q.E.D."
The deep south ends at the Florida border. You do not live in the deep south.
Florida is New York State, but with Bermuda shorts and a light jacket in February.
Then you have spent 0 min in the Panhandle and in Central Fl.
That's OK. I've never met a smart conservative.
True... if you are not a multi-millionaire you are voting against your interests... just stupid. Neo-cons, mean to boot.
As long as people are content with catagorizing themselves into these impossibly monolithic groups, and de-humanizing those who are "against" them, we will keep getting bamboozled by the us-versus-them politics of boogeyman-ism. The "two-party system" has become a one-party (divide and conquer) system.
Selfishness??? Spexx, dear boy, you are without experience of William F. Buckley. You aren't going to find selfishness in that guy, nor stupidity. And then there are the right-of-center guys who can keep up with him.
...
Does this sound liberal or conservative?:
"don't tax me. More money in my pocket"
"I shouldn't have to pay for other people's welfare, social security, or medicare. More money in my pocket"
"don't regulate my business - I want all the profits, and if my employees get hurt or sick, or if residents around my factory suffer, I don't care, as long as I'm raking in the dough"
"there shouldn't be a minimum wage - if I can get away with paying someone to work for $1.00/hour, I should be allowed to. More in my pocket."
"illegal immigration is great! Those wetbacks work for just about nothing. More money in my pocket"
And your first remark was utterly unworthy of reply. Resist the temptation to declare yourself a schmuck, okay?
... all I need say to this is "Q.E.D."
:rolleyes:
Glatt, all I need say to this is "Q.E.D."
Does that mean he has finished rewriting history?
You're like the crazy neighbor in sitcoms, aren't you? You waltz in, say something wacky and then disappear. :rolleyes:
Sometimes his behavior is a little too unbelievable. This being the Internet, I'm still not sure that UG isn't the alter ego of another Cellarite. It would be pretty funny if at the end of the year TW confessed that he made him up, or better yet, Marichiko.;)
:lol:
No, the personna I REALLY made up was L J! Fooled you,eh?
Well....yes...but I think Jinx is in for the real shock. :eek:
Some political theory history for everyone:
The neocons primary theoretical antecendent is Leo Strauss, a Trotskyite. Irving Kristol called the neoconservatives, "Socialists who just got mugged." More generally, they're welfare-staters (whether it be personal welfare or corporate) who supported Reagan during the Cold War and they're primarily defined by their foreign policy stances (specifically pre-emptive 'Big Stick'/military action over diplomacy) rather than domestic ones.
Also, they're mostly assholes. They're the ones that make shit up to get their way in government, (e.g., the OSP [Doug Feith's group] in the Pentagon and the current Pentagonian Iran Working Group [and if you don't believe they're trying to get us into Iran, despite the failures in Iraq, you're fooling yourself]).
So, for all you 'liberal haters' out there, be aware of how you label yourselves.
People will label your labels!
And then others will label the label-labelers!
<Descriptory Label>
*Applied to UT*
HA! Take that!
I'm suing you for libel! You'll be liable! Because you're unreliable!
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Don't take me for a joke i'm no comedian
Too many mental problems got me snortin coke and smokin weed again
I'm goin up over the curb, drivin on the median
Finally made it home, but i don't got the key to get in
-Eminem (when the lad actually had talent)
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Too many mental problems got me snortin coke and smokin weed again
back in the good/bad (delete according to prejudice) old days, that was called 'lack of moral fibre'...
Yeah, but we just laughed at the way you spell fiber and kept on doin' it.:lol:
Like spoiled fifteen year olds that say they hate their parents, but take the allowance anyway.
I dunno, that rant sounds a bit teenagery, too. I dont think the pouty tantrum of isolationism is very feasible for anyone, economically. :)
I don't either. An isolationist philosophy really only works under a certain set of international circumstance, and isn't going to work in an age of instant communications all around the globe and nuclear missiles.
Sometimes his behavior is a little too unbelievable. This being the Internet, I'm still not sure that UG isn't the alter ego of another Cellarite. It would be pretty funny if at the end of the year TW confessed that he made him up, or better yet, Marichiko.;)
Well, fantasy can be funny.
Perhaps, rich, you should take up martial arts -- something I need to get back into myself, and if you can't get out more and see how many varieties of people our wide land contains and their worthiness, at the very least read Soldier of Fortune for one year. You don't grok me because you don't have the concepts; you haven't had the education. I'm realer than you'd like, and I challenge your ideas of how human beings are by my mere existence, to say nothing of what I post. I'm here to chivvy you into a wider world, being less provincial in my outlook than you.
I dunno, that rant sounds a bit teenagery, too. I dont think the pouty tantrum of isolationism is very feasible for anyone, economically. :)
I have no problem with allies, as long as they are truly allies and not just using us while hating us and undermining our interests every chance they get.
I'll have to find a site I have with the votes of our closest "allies" in the UN... you
really see where they stand.
I don't either. An isolationist philosophy really only works under a certain set of international circumstance, and isn't going to work in an age of instant communications all around the globe and nuclear missiles.
I don't follow that. By isolationist, I thought we were talking about economic self reliance, self controlled, self contained, as much as possible.
Are you speaking of isolationist as a physical defense mode, a metaphorical Great Wall of China? :confused:
I have no problem with allies, as long as they are truly allies and not just using us while hating us and undermining our interests every chance they get.
I'll have to find a site I have with the votes of our closest "allies" in the UN... you really see where they stand.
Do you want allies or lackeys?
I don't think isolationism can be equated with wanting to be totally self-reliant, and if it turns out it can then maybe it's not such a bad thing. Look at the Japanese, they would be called isolationist under that argument and they're kicking ass the world over. We need to emulating THEM, not the other way 'round right now.
I want allies.
I agree 9th, the Japanese model is an excellent one. While maintaining a strong home military and strengthening our borders.
It is very simple... don't do business with people who don't like you. If they bad-mouth you or go against you interests, on a regular basis, just don't. If they start, call in your debts from them, NOW.
We need to start making nations pay back our loans anyway & if they do not, remove natural resources. Easy enough to off-shore drill until the over-due debt is paid or something similar.
We need to start making nations pay back our loans anyway
We do NOT want to get that ball rolling. We borrow considerably more than we lend.
The Japs have virtually zero natural resources, which is why they have waged war on their neighbors repeatedly.
They have the social structure to be very productive when given raw materials and a market.... we gave them both. :cool:
Well, fantasy can be funny.
Perhaps, rich, you should take up martial arts -- something I need to get back into myself, and if you can't get out more and see how many varieties of people our wide land contains and their worthiness, at the very least read Soldier of Fortune for one year. You don't grok me because you don't have the concepts; you haven't had the education. I'm realer than you'd like, and I challenge your ideas of how human beings are by my mere existence, to say nothing of what I post. I'm here to chivvy you into a wider world, being less provincial in my outlook than you.
You see,
this is the quality stuff that makes me think UG isn't 'real'. It's wonderful prose, egocentric bordering on narcissist. It reminds me of the
bad fiction contest they hold each year in honor of the guy who first came up with
[FONT=Arial][COLOR=#663300]"It was a dark and stormy night"[/COLOR][/FONT]. Using 'grok' was brilliant since a Heinlein reference is absolutely necessary in a post from a modern age warrior (I prefer Kipling). Still, UG didn't quite hit that evocative tone that's really needed. Let me try to punch it up a little.
Perhaps, rich, you should follow the warriors path and take up martial arts. As I sit here contemplating the vast multitudes of honorable and worthy men and women contained within the proud vistas of this great nation, I feel that you should expand your mind as well and immerse yourself in the community and philosophy to be found in Solider of Fortune. In the dark corners of the stormy night, my reality challenges you to accept my teachings, for I have walked a strange and dangerous path. I am the bringer of truth, here to lead your unworthy self to the fountain of knowledge that is fed by adversity and nurtured by the sacrifice of heroes.
:cool:
How's that?
excellent, rich. Talk to tw, he may even let you take over writing the UG persona for a while.
excellent, rich. Talk to tw, he may even let you take over writing the UG persona for a while.
Thanks. The only problem I have is that I had a typographical error with the word 'Soldier'. UG's posts do not have misspelling or typographical errors.
My muse in the writing was the scene in "Blues Brothers" where Henry Gibson is sitting in uniform painting a statue of an eagle.:rolleyes:
hahahahha, yes! Go Blues Brothers!
that movie comes on here, on tv, about once a week.
I have no problem with allies, as long as they are truly allies and not just using us while hating us and undermining our interests every chance they get.
I'm afraid the smart course is that we must assume that everyone is using everyone to some extent. As we do. The search for unconditional love in politics will break your heart. And If believe you find it, it eventually leads to more bad than good.
"Unconditional" and "love" never enter into it. It is simply a matter of joint interests.
You mention that true allies dont use or hate us. So conditions and love entered into your statement. But I agree, it is a matter of joint interests and it is very romantic to think that allies could ever be solidly, enduringly "true".
I guess you haven't seen the clip of Bush and Blair singing, "I want to take you to a gay bar". :D
The thing is, if you hate an organization or company, you hate what they do or what they stand for, you don't support them, borrow from them, allow their agents into your home or property, etc. It is that simple.
No, it's not that simple, because that isn't how things work.
I demand that it may or may not be "that simple" !!! It's either one or the other, damnit !!! [COLOR="Gray"]:::deflects incoming rebuttals:::[/COLOR]
You see, this is the quality stuff that makes me think UG isn't 'real'. It's wonderful prose, egocentric bordering on narcissist. It reminds me of the bad fiction contest they hold each year in honor of the guy who first came up with [FONT=Arial][COLOR=#663300]"It was a dark and stormy night"[/COLOR][/FONT]. Using 'grok' was brilliant since a Heinlein reference is absolutely necessary in a post from a modern age warrior (I prefer Kipling). Still, UG didn't quite hit that evocative tone that's really needed. Let me try to punch it up a little.
:cool:
How's that?
Love that Rich. Haven't ever seen the word "grok" ever during my travels on various forums the last 7 years until our demi-god UG used it here. Guess where my preference lies...
The truly brave who have taken up the noble skill of martial arts, beholding the brave oppressed with odds, are touched with a desire to shield and read the Soldier of Fortune for at least 10 years.
The Urban Teacher --a mixture of wild beasts and demi-gods is he--now furious as the sweeping wave, now moved with pity; even as sometimes nods the rugged tree unto the summer wind, compassion breathes along the savage mind to bring you earthling into a world where the lost pleiad seen no more below.
No, it's not that simple, because that isn't how things work.
So, your ethics don't dictate your actions... [SIZE="1"]*note to self, "remain safe distance from Ibram"*[/SIZE]
Love that Rich. Haven't ever seen the word "grok" ever during my travels on various forums the last 7 years until our demi-god UG used it here. Guess where my preference lies...The truly brave who have taken up the noble skill of martial arts, beholding the brave oppressed with odds, are touched with a desire to shield and read the Soldier of Fortune for at least 10 years.
The Urban Teacher --a mixture of wild beasts and demi-gods is he--now furious as the sweeping wave, now moved with pity; even as sometimes nods the rugged tree unto the summer wind, compassion breathes along the savage mind to bring you earthling into a world where the lost pleiad seen no more below.
Wow, that was a William S. Burroughs moment.
So, your ethics don't dictate your actions... [SIZE="1"]*note to self, "remain safe distance from Ibram"*[/SIZE]
hey, I'm not saying thats not how it SHOULD work or that its not how I would do things. I'm just saying, thats not how international politics work. I, however, am not a country, and so I dont give a shit for how international politics work, I'll do things my way, how I see fit.
Well, fantasy can be funny.
Perhaps, rich, you should take up martial arts -- something I need to get back into myself, and if you can't get out more and see how many varieties of people our wide land contains and their worthiness, at the very least read Soldier of Fortune for one year. You don't grok me because you don't have the concepts; you haven't had the education. I'm realer than you'd like, and I challenge your ideas of how human beings are by my mere existence, to say nothing of what I post. I'm here to chivvy you into a wider world, being less provincial in my outlook than you.
Oh, ick! You read Soldier of Fortune? Well, I suppose you would. I used to know a guy that wrote for them, and, in real life, he was the most arrogant wussy boy you'd ever want to meet. He bought a jeep for $5,000 from some friends of mine, and drove off into the sunset and never sent them the agreed upon monthly payments. He DID send them a free subscription to the mag, tho. I liked the thinly veiled classifieds in the back for killers for hire. You're a man of the world, alright, UG. In fact, I bet you're Bruce's alter ego when he gets tired of being so nice and funny, and wants to let out his inner Neanderthal. :p
I'm not sure if I buy into the rant about people being educated here and then leaving for other countries (I hear that alot). Although higher education in the States is great, it's also pricey, and it's certainly not a monopoly. I hear people refering to education as a commodity, why is it so wrong then to buy a good education here and do with it whatever you want? I'm not saying I want to run off and do work for the Chinese government or anything like that, but can you call someone a traitor for accepting a better job overseas??
hey, I'm not saying thats not how it SHOULD work or that its not how I would do things. I'm just saying, thats not how international politics work. I, however, am not a country, and so I dont give a shit for how international politics work, I'll do things my way, how I see fit.
Then what are you doing in here discussing it, if you don't give a shit about it? Just want to throw a monkey-wrench in a conversation you have nothing to do with... get your ego on? Thanks.
I'm not sure if I buy into the rant about people being educated here and then leaving for other countries (I hear that alot). Although higher education in the States is great, it's also pricey, and it's certainly not a monopoly. I hear people refering to education as a commodity, why is it so wrong then to buy a good education here and do with it whatever you want? I'm not saying I want to run off and do work for the Chinese government or anything like that, but can you call someone a traitor for accepting a better job overseas??
The "rant" is about usury. If you feel the US is so "evil" and "terrible"... don't have anything to do with something you find so distasteful, again letting your ethical/moral system dictate your actions. Part of that is staying out of our educational system if the US is your ultimate evil. It ain't hard.
If you hate global warming, don't work for company that uses a coal burning turbine with no exhaust scrubbers and just pays the fines. Any of this getting through?
I wasn't refering so much to people who hate the US so much as people who don't mind it but plan to work in another country for better wages or ethical (company specific) concerns or whatnot. I got ranted at after making the statement that I should learn Japanese or Chinese since they seem to be sucking up so many grads now... :thepain:
Then what are you doing in here discussing it, if you don't give a shit about it? Just want to throw a monkey-wrench in a conversation you have nothing to do with... get your ego on? Thanks.
Well that's polite...
I said I dont give a shit about how it WORKS, because I dont give a shit about how anything works, I do things my way or not at all.
My, my, someone's irritable.
In fact, I bet you're Bruce's alter ego when he gets tired of being so nice and funny, and wants to let out his inner Neanderthal. :p
No, I don't bluster, my Neanderthal is physical.;)
Well that's polite...
I said I dont give a shit about how it WORKS, because I dont give a shit about how anything works, I do things my way or not at all.
My, my, someone's irritable.
No, annoyed, because you are acting like you don't get it when you do. You do that a lot. It is a cheap way of debating.
Just debate, if your point is weak, then concede or just stop.
I wasn't refering so much to people who hate the US so much as people who don't mind it but plan to work in another country for better wages or ethical (company specific) concerns or whatnot. I got ranted at after making the statement that I should learn Japanese or Chinese since they seem to be sucking up so many grads now... :thepain:
Oh, I don't care about them... but if they want to go to school here they need to learn conversational English
first.
Part of this rant should be that English needs to be our national language and all business and paperwork should be in that
one language.
Either that or their nations need to have all of their documents and business in both languages in all cases. Which you know is not going to happen. (I don't want to hear about
most)
Well, fantasy can be funny.
Perhaps, rich, you should take up martial arts -- something I need to get back into myself, and if you can't get out more and see how many varieties of people our wide land contains and their worthiness, at the very least read Soldier of Fortune for one year. You don't grok me because you don't have the concepts; you haven't had the education. I'm realer than you'd like, and I challenge your ideas of how human beings are by my mere existence, to say nothing of what I post. I'm here to chivvy you into a wider world, being less provincial in my outlook than you.
BTW, I ran this post through
Gender Guesser.
This would explain a
lot.:D"Weak emphasis could indicate European" ha ha ha