"losers" with "no life" on Saturday night
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Hey, its Sunday Morning here, on the last day before school starts. I'm playin' piano and talking to my girlfriend... Sounds good to me.
You forgot me. :grouphug:
I'm surfing the web on my laptop, sitting next to my husband, who was playing Katamari Damacy. Eh, it keeps me off the streets.
Allow me to make your acquaintence
Originally Posted by Flint
"losers" with "no life" on Saturday night
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I must have no life because I posted on a Saturday night?
Fascinating.
At least my posts were about something besides who posted.
My Saturday was just fine...you'll have to forgive me; I don't travel to Europe every weekend, and my airplane was being inspected by the mech. So I was working on getting the home network onto uninterruptable power and geotagging my vacation photos.
Maggie, don't take the bait and feel you need to "justify" anything to anyone.
Seems he is just pulling wings off of flies for the fun of it.
You're life is way kewl, girl!!!
You rock!
Maggie, don't take the bait and feel you need to "justify" anything to anyone.
Oh, I was just rubbing it in...he's fresh off the "taking my ball and going home" thread where nobody begged him to stay.
Interests:
Drums & Drumming
Occupation:
System Administrator
My, my...Drums AND Drumming. How can he stand the excitement? :-)
[COLOR="Blue"]Flint, Ibram, glatt, MaggieL, Pie[/COLOR]
Hey. You can speak for yourself, Mister.
Saturday night doesn't start until 11:00 or midnight. In fact, I just woke up. And I'm still drunk from last night. Yeah, that's the ticket. Four hours sleep, and it's killing me.
What, you think 9:51pm is Saturday
night? (btw, this, my friend, is why time stamps are better than "ago.")
No wonder drummers are a dime a dozen.
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Fit audience found, but cannot rule
My fanatic heart.
I sought my betters: though in each
Fine manners, liberal speech,
Turn hatred into sport,
Nothing said or done can reach
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Sure, blame dear old Mom.
I did go to a cocktail party on Saturday night, but most everyone there was about 10-years younger than me. No wife, no girlfriend. I just hung around and drank high gravity beer and then went home to listen to my shortwave radio. I'm a loser because I've lost a lot of people in the last few years: A wife (divorce) the new fiance (car wreck), my best high school buddy and his pregnant wife (car wreck), my best buddy at work (brain tumor), etc. I'm not looking for sympathy, just stating the fact that the last few years have been shite for losing people. Now I'm just a nihilistic stoic. I hate my country, too. People just consume things. Fat ugly Americans. Even if they stole the election, enough people voted for W. to show how lame we are as a country. Backwards, superstitious, Christocentric asswipes. People with cell phones. Ipods. McMansions. Buy buy buy. Obsessed with superficiality. Vaginal rejuvination. Great. Viagra. Plastic boobs. $5.00 breakfast cereal. Great. Febreze. Great. :(
@Pangloss: I'm sorry to hear about all the loss you've experienced. It tends to make on philisophical about things, doesn't it, staring in the face of our inevitable mortality? (See my "Fear of Loss" thread.) But you're doing okay, I think, because you've got a good head on your shoulders. You're a thinker. You aren't buying into the simple solutions being pushed on you, whether it be religious or commercial. You're setting your own course, and along the way, confronting some hard reality. But, you aren't giving in, you aren't surrendering to the fairy tales.
I need people like you. The internet brings us together. After it removes all of our superficial aspects, the things that seperate us, we are forced to interact as disembodied intellects. People wonder, is this "real" - talking to people on a computer screen? I think it can be more "real" than most of what goes on in our society. We can play games, and hide behind walls of make-believe, but how is that any different than what people do every day? Here, at least, there is no concrete agenda.
Anyways...don't make sad faces, dude. I hate that.
EDIT: You sound alot like a character in a Herman Hesse novel.
Fat ugly Americans. Even if they stole the election, enough people voted for W. to show how lame we are as a country. Backwards, superstitious, Christocentric asswipes.
The downside of being a "progressive" is you end up beliveing their propaganda. This tends to keep the SSRI manufacturers and suicide hotlines in business.
Divorce is insanely stressful, and if you lost a fiancee after that, that's quite enough to push you into full-tilt clinical depression. Trying to find companionship (after losing partner[s]) in social circles filled with people looking for (or trying to avoid) their
first lifepartner will certainy reenforce the feeling of being old before your time.
Listening to shortwave broadcast isn't the most uplifting thing on the planet either...speaking of propaganda. Have you considered an amateur radio licence? Not that it's really a good way to meet chicks, but at least you could use the HF bands without every third station being HCJB. :-)
"progressive"
You know, using ^^^that word^^^ means you've been compromised by the insidious conspiracy of the
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Real Americans call 'em what they are:
freedom-hating commies!what a dick thread this is.
dickish in intent
dickish in delivery
dickish in spirit
dickish dickish dick
I know...I'm a "bad person" . . . If only I could lighten up and quit being so serious all the time.
serious or kidding, it's still a dick thread.
people don't want to have to defend themselves. even if you were old pals and just joking......which maggie's presence on the list refutes..... it would be dickish.
besides......you forgot to name yourself on the list......to observe them, you must have been doing the same thing, but had less to offer, neh?
oops.
:blush:
man, my reading comprehension used to be my strong suit. gotta cut back on the rum and get more sleep.
dick away, flint.
You know, using that word means you've been compromised by the insidious conspiracy...
It would if I hadn't put it in ironic, mocking quotes.
The Bolsheviks weren't the majority party either. Until they got control, anyway...
Kind of like the ironic quotes I put in the thread title? :::lightbulb:::
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I don't think the quotation marks leant any sense of irony. They seemed to me to cast the word (and those who apply it to themselves) in a condescending light. This is made all the more obvious by quoting my mention of the "stolen election" and then saying that progressives "...end up beliveing their propaganda." If you were really being ironic, I missed it and I apologize.
Theorists of propaganda will have no bigger font of material from which to study their topic than the rhetoric that has come from the present administration. Up is down, black is white, and turned corners bring you back to where you began. It is appropriate here to quote one of the better theorists of propaganda:
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."J.G.
Ironic indeed.:neutral:
Wait, what? W. voters are getting vaginal rejuvenation?
I don't think the quotation marks leant any sense of irony.
The irony being that I don't agree that "progressives" want to move in a direction that is in fact
progress.
Thus your Goebbels quote is appropos.
Wait, what? W. voters are getting vaginal rejuvenation?
Is that, like, after childbirth, you tell the doctor "put a few extra stitches in there"
???Wait, what? W. voters are getting vaginal rejuvenation?
Ahem. At least one. :-)
I first saw the term in one of those "alternative" weeklies here in Hotlanta. Next to L.A., Our city has more plastic surgery outfits than I've ever seen. Vaginal Rejuvination does indeed tighten the vagina; in this sense it seems geared toward pleasing the male partner more than the female, though clitoral stimulation may be enhanced; I just don't know.:neutral:
I think our national policy may have been skewed by viagra. I mean, seriously, old men are supposed to settle down and make thoughtful decisions. If they can still bang hookers all night long, do you think we're really getting our votes worth out of them?
EDIT: Incidentally, what's so wrong about Febreze ???
I think our national policy may have been skewed by viagra. I mean, seriously, old men are supposed to settle down and make thoughtful decisions. If they can still bang hookers all night long, do you think we're really getting our votes worth out of them?
Clinton evidently didn't need Viagra. Did you get your vote's worth out of him?
Clinton evidently didn't need Viagra. Did you get your vote's worth out of him?
That doesn't disprove my point, though, which was: a hooker-banging politician has his "mind" on other matters. Viagra simply facilitates the hooker-banging in otherwise non-hooker-banging individuals.
That doesn't disprove my point, though, which was: a hooker-banging politician has his "mind" on other matters
Unlike an intern-banging politician. :-)
That would depend on what the definition of "is" is.
He was fucking monica, Bush is fucking all of us. :(
The cigar may be more comfortable. That's just me talkin'....
He was fucking monica, Bush is fucking all of us.
How glib. Clinton fucked a few more besides Monica.
If the enduring argument against Clinton is promiscuity, what does that say about his Presidency?
I think the AWB said a lot more.
The enduring argument against Clinton is not his promiscuity, but his subconscious notion that civil liberties and rights were reserved to his Administration, and not the several States or the people. Then too there was that incapacity to deny to unfriendlies considerable access to American secrets -- particularly Chinese unfriendlies, the Soviets no longer being available to betray us to. Less the Manchurian candidate than the Han Chinese one.
If the enduring argument against Clinton is promiscuity, what does that say about his Presidency?
That's not the "enduring argument against him", but it certainly is a clue to his "don't ask don't tell" (speaking of people he fucked besides Monica) personality. It's also his relevance as a counterexample to the Viagra theory; pols have been fucking around since Kennedy, and before.
@Urbane Guerrilla: That's what I was looking for, some substantive criticisms.
@Maggie: That's what I was looking for, the lack of substantive criticisms.
The enduring argument against Clinton is not his promiscuity, but his subconscious notion that civil liberties and rights were reserved to his Administration
Unlike the current administration, which has determined that no one should have any for our own good?
Unlike the current administration, which has determined that no one should have any for our own good?
Is the liberal cause well-served by such defensive, mindless hyperbole every time Clinton is mentioned? "Yeah, Clinton, but Everybody Knows Bush is Satan Incarnate" is not a very convincing argument unless you're already a cult member.
UG mentioned the real deal with Clinton and Elspode noted w's similar contempt for civili liberties, where do you find any mindless hyperbole?
...don't make sad faces, dude. I hate that.
:neutral: Is neutral OK?:o
Thanks, Flintrock.
...where do you find any mindless hyperbole?
"no one should have any"...demonstrating that after all these years, the word that follows "knee-jerk" is still "liberal".
demonstrating that after all these years, the word that follows "knee-jerk" is still "liberal".
and the word that follows "conservative" is simply "jerk"
"no one should have any"...demonstrating that after all these years, the word that follows "knee-jerk" is still "liberal".
That is hyperbole not mindless hyperbole. Bush has given his detracters just as many reasons to fear his administration as Clinton ever did. They are two men cut from the same statist cloth.
That is hyperbole not mindless hyperbole.
Oh, forgive me. It's clearly calm, well-considered hyperbole that only
sounds hysterical. That said, the rest of the comment (including the question that is rhetorical only because I don't expect an answer) stands.
The downside of being a "progressive" is you end up beliveing their propaganda.
...unless you're already a cult member.
Methinks Maggie sees anyone who criticizes W. as slavish, unthinking dupes. Could our country have been more duped than we've been by the current administration? Really.:smack:
The problem is...it doesn't matter who the president is, republican or democrat...he'll never be good enough for EVERYONE...or make the right decisions to benefit EVERYONE. People gotta bitch about something, otherwise, they have nothing else to do.
Could our country have been more duped than we've been by the current administration?
Yes.Is ^^^that^^^ like in Animal Farm, where the pigs convince you that your own memory is faulty?
...to vilify as immoral a bold and noble enterprise and to brand as an ignominious defeat what is proving itself more and more every day to be a victory of American arms and a vindication of American ideals.
Like father like son.:neutral:
Is ^^^that^^^ like in Animal Farm, where the pigs convince you that your own memory is faulty?
Which narrative you think is The Big Lie pretty much determines who you think those pigs are.
Which narrative you think is The Big Lie pretty much determines who you think those pigs are.
In a nutshell: the primary source of entertainment for an oberver of "us versus them" politics.
The Dems want our lives and money, the Reps want our souls and money. Not a real big difference there.
I can still deal better with a president who has a loose Johnson than a President who is waging war to line the pockets of his cronies and calling it protecting the country.
Saddam is done, hand the shithole over to its people and let 'em duke it out. I think we've made our point by now. Or does anyone reasonably think that we are safer now that we've whipped the Arab world into a complete frenzy?
I suppose the fact that we found all those WMDs has made us a little safer, but...what? There weren't any? Okay, well, at least we've nailed the people responsible for 9-11...what? We haven't?
Well, its good to kill and be killed anyway. And Maggie...how well received would a person with your history be at the next White House dinner? Isn't this the administration whose adherents are doing everything they can to deprive people like you of your rights? Isn't it people like me who are calling that kind of prejudice and immoral legislation bullshit?
Isn't this the administration whose adherents are doing everything they can to deprive people like you of your rights?
Depends which rights and which "people like you" you're talking about. I was never invited to the Clinton White House either...but I certainly felt the effects of the Clinton Gun Ban directly.
After DADT and DOMA the Dems have no cred with me on "gay rights"...in fact
anybody they sell victimhood to is forgotten the moment the voting is over.
Their latest food source is illegal aliens.
I always feel so warmly patronized by "people like you" who offer to explain to "people like me" what's in our political interests.
Haven't you heard? God hates you! That would worry me.
Whoa, Elspode!
Does Maggie live in a log cabin?:eek:
I suppose the fact that we found all those WMDs has made us a little safer, but...what? There weren't any?
I'd check with the Syrians before I was sure I had the right answer to that question. Either as you say there weren't any left (and Saddam himself may have been fooled on that one), or he managed to get them all to his Baath brothers across the border just in time.
I just remeber what he did with his Air Force when invasion seemed imminent the first time around...and he didn't even *like* the Iranians. Whereas the Syrians were his buddies.
Haven't you heard? God hates you! That would worry me.
I can handle my relationship with God on my own, thanks. It's the Islamofacists that worry me.
I can handle my relationship with God on my own, thanks.
Irrelevant.
Your relationship with God isn't in question. You're dodging the issue.
It's the Islamofacists that worry me.
Take a look in your own backyard. You are a walking "hot button issue" . . .
Take a look in your own backyard. You are a walking "hot button issue" . . .
I can handle not being invited to the White House and not being able to marry my lifepartner if I can keep my guns and not have a stone wall pushed over on me. Notice that even Fred "God Hates Fags" Phelps has never shown up at a scheduled demonstration where the Pink Pistols had announced an intention to attend.
Don't lecture me about my backyard, son, I know where it is and who's in it. See "people like you" above. Note also that last month I was on one of the planes that was to be blown up this month.
Fair enough. Pick your battles, I guess. If you are comfortable having to defend your right to exist by carrying a gun with you everywhere you go, then more power to you. If you feel better about not being blown up by a Muslim who believes you are abhorrent in the eyes of Allah, because you are being protected by a Christian who thinks you are abhorrent in the eyes of God, then who am I to point out that both of them feel the same way about you?
...who am I to point out that both of them feel the same way about you?
You're certainly not pointing out anything I don't know. I can't make a homophobe not hate me, and I don't care to try. (Which is one program the Dems are trying to sell with pointless "hate crime laws", by the way). My concern is with actions and capabilities, not feelings; a "hate crime" is defined by the state of mind of the perpetrator. Since we're all such Orwell fans:
thoughtcrime, anyone?
I don't
have to defend my right to exist by being an armed citizen, but I do choose to do so; it's my right and I won't give it up. Trading my birthright for the liberal's mess of pottage won't change the threats I face one whit. And homophobes aren't even at the top of my threat list; criminals who should be in prison but aren't rank much higher.
Should I really not feel better about being protected than about being blown up? Those
are your words there...
...what is proving itself more and more every day to be a victory of American arms and a vindication of American ideals.
DAILY WAR NEWS FOR THURSDAY, August 10, 2006:worried:
A suicide bomber detonated a belt of explosives near a revered Shiite shrine in southern Iraq, killing at least 35 people and injuring 122: The bomber blew himself up while being patted down by police near the Imam Ali mosque in the Shiite holy city of Najaf, said Dr. Munthir al-Ithari, the head of the city's health directorate.
Shiite religious leaders in Najaf accused Sunni loyalists of former dictator Saddam Hussein of carrying out the attack. "We hold Takfiris (Sunni extremists) and Saddamists directly responsible for this horrible crime ... at the same time we hold those who embrace terrorism in Iraq and the countries supporting it as responsible," the statement said.
The Iraqi army said the death toll was 35, with 122 injured.
Prime Minister Nouri al-Mailiki, a Shiite, denounced the bombing as a "barbaric massacre conducted by Takfiris (Sunni extremists) and Saddamists who are seeking to inflame sectarian" passions. A statement by the collective Shiite leadership also issued a similar condemnation.
A Sunni insurgent group, Jamaat Jund al-Sahaba, or Soldiers of the Prophet's Companions, claimed responsibility for the bombing in an Internet posting. It warned Shiites to stop killing unarmed Sunnis, "otherwise wait for such operations that will shake your regions like earthquakes."
Two Iranian pilgrims were martyred and nine others wounded in an explosion Thursday morning in the Iraqi holy city of Najaf, an Iraqi health official told IRNA today.
Iran has called for foreign troops to leave Iraq following a deadly bombing near one of Shiite Islam's holiest shrines in the southern city of Najaf.
"The only way to create security in Iraq is to end the occupation by foreigners who have so far failed to bring about security," foreign ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi was quoted as saying by the official news agency IRNA.
The bodies of the two missing servicemen from a US Blackhawk helicopter that crashed in a waterway in western Iraq have been recovered, the military said Thursday.
OTHER SECURITY INCIDENTS
Baghdad:
Four people were killed and five wounded when fighting broke out late Wednesday between gunmen and residents of a Shiite community in north Baghdad, police Lt. Salim Ali said. Sporadic clashes were continuing, he said.
Six people were killed by a bomb in a restaurant in southern Baghdad.
Seven police commandos including a senior officer were killed in a rebel ambush in Baghdad.
Five people were found murdered in Baghdad.
Baiji:
A U.S. soldier was wounded when his vehicle was struck by a roadside bomb near Baiji, 180 km (112 miles) north of Baghdad, the U.S. military said in a statement.
Muqdadiya:
A brother of Sunni legislator Mudhhir al-Saadoun was shot dead by gunmen in his car in Muqdadiya, 90 km (50 miles) northeast of Baghdad.
Mosul:
Gunmen killed one civilian in Mosul, 390 km (240 miles) north of Baghdad.
Kirkuk:
Two policemen were killed and a third injured in a bomb attack targeting their vehicle south of Kirkuk.
The Multi-National Forces (MNF) said one of their soldiers was injured in a bomb attack west of Kirkuk.
Baqubah:
Four policemen were killed and seven wounded in a mortar attack and roadside bomb in Baquba, 65 km (40 miles) north Baghdad.
Hawija:
A roadside bomb aimed at a police patrol exploded in Hawija, southwest of Kirkuk, killing two policemen and critically wounding two others.
Fallujah:
A policeman was shot dead in Falluja.
Haditha:
An explosive charge detonated near a passing Iraqi army patrol on the main road west of Haditha town late Wednesday, killing ten soldiers and wounding five others, local residents told Xinhua on condition of anonymity. The blast, which destroyed a truck carrying the soldiers, was followed by a 15-minute fighting between soldiers and unknown gunmen, they said, adding more Iraqi and U.S. forces blocked the area searching for the attackers. There was no immediate U.S. and Iraqi military comment.
In country:
New Zealand Mercenary Dies In Iraq Blast: Te Ina Marokura Ngamata, 37, died when his truck transporting workers was bombed in an attack on Tuesday night.
Mr Ngamata was employed by international security firm Armourgroup, the same company that employed six Fijian security guards killed in insurgent attacks on transport convoys since April.:worried:
DAILY WAR NEWS FOR THURSDAY, August 10, 2006:worried:
Well, that was an uplifting read.
Well, that was an uplifting read.
Yes, now let's review the violent crime for Democratically-controlled US cities. Starting with New Orleans and DC.
Yes, now let's review the violent crime for Democratically-controlled US cities. Starting with New Orleans and DC.
Why those two? Because the mayors are black?
Why not start with Arlington, Virginia, which is also Democratically controlled?
Edit: You aren't cherrypicking your samples, like a Washington Post image caption writer with satellite images of Beruit, are you?
Patronizing? Sorry, didn't mean it that way. Most people who are actively being discriminated against by their own governments seem to frequently take umbrage at that fact. You are indeed a rare bird, Maggie. And, for the record, as a Pagan person, I don't exclude myself from being "people like..." etc.
After the Republo-Christian takeover of the US is complete, let us know how the fight to keep from being reeducated goes for you, okay? Or are you planning to just shoot your way to glory? 'Cause if you think that Christofascists are gonna be any better than Islamofascists, I'd think again. Read your history books. Start with the Catholic Church and work your way forward. I'd also read up on what happens to armed resistance groups in this country when the Feds get a burr under their saddle about people's ideas of "freedom" when it differs from their own. It might help you plan. Here's a hint: make sure you buy the guns and ammo in lots of different places spread out across the country so that the locals don't know you've got 'em.
After the Republo-Christian takeover of the US is complete, let us know how the fight to keep from being reeducated goes for you, okay?
Well, seems like everybody's got a memetic system they're selling these days, you know? Sometimes it's a system containing concepts like "Republo-Christian".
Here's a hint: make sure you buy the guns and ammo in lots of different places spread out across the country so that the locals don't know you've got 'em.
Here's a hint for *you*: it's the
liberals that are all hot to restrict and register weapons. The "locals" pretty much know what I've got, and that I know how to use it. They don't even seem to give much of a shit who I sleep with...and the gang at the shooting range--you know, all those rednecks--seem to feel pretty much the same way.
For somebody who slams Bush for being a fear merchant, seems to me like you've got a fair stock of it on the shelf yourself.
It's the Islamofacists that worry me.
Why do they worry you?
You're right, Maggie. Nothing like what is going on in the Middle East could ever happen *here*. It isn't like we're seeing signs of growing fascism and restriction of public freedoms in our country right now. It isn't like we aren't trying to force other countries to do things according to our principles. And even if we are, it is for our own good, our own security. No one in *this* country would ever abuse such powers, they'll just use them for good.
Yup, just fearmongering, that's me.
It's a matter of degree, and what can be accomplished in a free, modern, and educated society, as opposed to a backwards, uneducated one.
They put "In God We Trust" on the coins. They looked for patterns in overseas communications. They like eminent domain. Well Please, That Ain't Nothin'. Wake me when they cancel the elections.
Nothing like what is going on in the Middle East could ever happen *here*.
Sure it could. They have an expressed intention to deliver it.
Of course, it's moral equivalance time again...I'm sure you can tell us again how Dubya is "just as bad if not worse". Or not...you're preaching to the choir (can he get an amen?), and the sinners have heard it before too.
It is simply a matter of being comitted to the wrong path. How far down that path you happen to have made it, so far, is not the issue so much as the stated intentions, the drive, towards moving things in the wrong direction. Monotheism and political monopolies are a horrible combination, regardless of which particular brand of monotheism.
Stockpile lots of ammo, it'll make great footage when the Apaches come. :rolleyes:
Originally Posted by MaggieL
I don't have to defend my right to exist by being an armed citizen, but I do choose to do so; it's my right and I won't give it up. Trading my birthright for the liberal's mess of pottage won't change the threats I face one whit.
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
Stockpile lots of ammo, it'll make great footage when the Apaches come.
When the Apaches come; or, any other hostiles for that matter, I'd rather have MaggieL covering my 6 than many others here. Successful civilian personal defense is best achieved by adopting it as a life style just as soldiers, citizen-soldiers, and police have done. Proper mindset is essential to successfully employing the knowledge of weapons and tactics. MaggieL's priorities are squared away.
A single person can greatly affect the outcome of hostilities of the type that
individuals are most likely to encounter. Even in the event of larger scale hostilities (e.g. riots), personal defense skills can be useful. An individual need not defeat all of the opposing hostiles in order to "win"; rather, the individual need only use available means to break contact with the hostiles and survive. This is a practical capability considering that our collective defensive systems (e.g. police, National Guard) are insufficient to protect everyone needing protection.
For the same reason (i.e. inadequate collective defensive systems), some people want to have their own gas masks and chemical protective suits. The government isn't going to issue these items to civilians, except for a few politically high profile locations, even if there is a chemical, biological, or radiological (e.g. dirty bomb) attack let alone just because people may live in a high risk area for these.
That's why it's BYOG(guns), A(ammo), PG(protective gear), W(water), F(food), ... BYOEverything; or, BYEBYE! It's simply not irrational these days to be prepared if one has the means.
Stockpile lots of ammo, it'll make great footage when the Apaches come.
You do your threat assessment, I'll do mine.
Meanwhile you can stockpile lots of tinfoil.
aluminum is fine ;)
Well, the idiom is "tinfoil hat", made from aluminum, of course. "tin cans" have a steel core, too, and "pencil lead" is graphite.
Damn, if I thought somebody was bombarding
my house with radio waves, I'd be able to tell you flux denities, frequency spectra, waveforms and direction.
Damn, if I thought somebody was bombarding my house with radio waves, I'd be able to tell you flux denities, frequency spectra, waveforms and direction.
Really? Tell me what the flux density, waveform, and the direction of the RF energy hitting your house at 2340MHz is.
That's why it's BYOG(guns), A(ammo), PG(protective gear), W(water), F(food), ... BYOEverything; or, BYEBYE! It's simply not irrational these days to be prepared if one has the means.
Hey...I'm completely in favor of this. The question is...when the hostiles come, are they gonna be other Americans? I think that is a more likely scenario than an airliner plunging down into my suburb.
You're certainly not pointing out anything I don't know. I can't make a homophobe not hate me
Oh, but you could plant the seeds of change in their minds by being really, really charming...oh, wait, never mind.
liberal's mess of pottage
Liberal Mess of Pottage would be a good name for a rock band.
Stockpile lots of ammo, it'll make great footage when the Apaches come. :rolleyes:
sweet!:earth:
Oh, but you could plant the seeds of change in their minds by being really, really charming...oh, wait, never mind.
Being the Bill Cosby of Queer Nation? We have the Fab Five for that.
But "planting the seeds of change" in the minds of religious fundamentalists? Puhleeze.
But in fact, there's a kernel of truth at the core of that idea, strategically.
Demonstrating loudly for "gay rights" has given rise to the misperception of a "gay agenda for special privileges and recruiting our children"...and while Pride Parades full of leather boyz, topless dykes and rollerskating crossdressed nuns are fantastic for building a sense of community
within the Gayborhood, they're not the best PR for disarming homophobia and fostering acceptance
outside the Ghayto.
The US population as a whole isn't quite ready to embrace the idea of giving queer couples the same rights as straight ones. They're one
hell of a lot closer than they were twenty, (even ten) years ago. Today it's not unthinkable for queer couples to live openly as queer couples in many areas...it's going to take a few years with
that level of tolerance before the culture as a whole will be ready to take it to the next level, after living down the street for a while from that queer couple (who maybe even show up at the pistol range on third Saturdays) who turn out to be not all that different from "us normal folks".
"Affirmative action" and "hate crime" legislation reenforces the idea that what queer folks want is special privileges rather than equal rights. This is not a sensible part of a "charm offensive".
All that said, I intend to continue to be prepared to defend myself from any attacker...be they queerbasher, jihadi, or just a neighborhood crack or ice addict, and if that's not "charming" enough, too bad.
It isn't like we're seeing signs of growing fascism and restriction of public freedoms in our country right now.
That sentiment is not visibly based on actual anti-fascism in this country. It is visibly based on anti-Republicanism, and it's too specious to take me in. Tell me, are you forbidden to buy killing tools and ammunition to feed them in your city? If you're part of the armed electorate, you're part of an electorate that is about as powerful as an electorate is likely to get.
It isn't like we aren't trying to force other countries to do things according to our principles. And even if we are, it is for our own good, our own security.
If other countries did follow our principles -- the real ones, so no hollering about this piece of foreign policy or that, if you please -- they'd be one hell of a lot richer, happier, and more peaceful than they are now. In short, they'd be successes instead of sores on the global body politic.
Addressing your second sentence there, what is so damned wrong with the principle that a republic of, by, and for the etceteras would prosper best in a world with more republics so constituted, so conceived and so dedicated? A good many of the
oh gag me, it's a neocon set seem to find some problem here -- but explain their actual objection? Never in a million years! That's because their root objection is that they're fucking fascists and the necons not only aren't, but are actively after exterminating the fascists/communists/antihumanists/rabid bloodsuckers. This prospect gives the fascisto-commies a very uncomfortable case of bunched panties and seatcushion sucking. Well, every bit of the shame is all theirs. They could have been real democrats, but they chose to fuck it up.
Don't get me wrong...both Dems and Republicans suck, in equal measure, in somewhat differing ways.
If the Dems were in power, I'd be dogging on them as well. The Constitution is the solution, folks, not the politicians.
Okay, I can get behind that.
And as we all know, small arms can't down a helo. Even if you shout "Allahu akbar!" afterward. Or "Wolverenes!"
Furthermore, "A pistol is what you use to fight your way to your rifle"-- Clint Smith (Lather, rinse, repeat until you've worked your way up to an arm that isn't too small. See FP-45, OSS Stinger during WWII)
Actually, the politicians *are* a solution....but they're a solution to the problem of "somebody has to run this thing", and that solution does generate more problems of its own.
Not exactly....a friend of mine asked a PA State Police chopper pilot, where you would aim, (hypothetically, of course) to bring down a chopper with a rifle/pistol. The pilot looked at him in amazement and said, "At the pilot". :smack:
But, my point was "stockpiling ammo" has it's practical limits. I try to keep at least 10k round cases of the common stuff, plus a variety of other calibers. The fact remains, however good your plans and intentions may be, if you become a pain in the ass to the government, they'll eliminate the problem(you) with a precision sledgehammer.
They work on the asking forgiveness rather than asking permission theory, except they don't ask forgiveness.
Uh oh, it's Saturday night.:redface:
Uh oh, it's Saturday night.:redface:
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
It's a beautiful evening. The first day in a month or two we've had the windows open all day.
It's actually raining. It didn't even rain here when Katrina hit.
But, my point was "stockpiling ammo" has it's practical limits. I try to keep at least 10k round cases of the common stuff
10,000 rounds of
any caliber is quite a bit more than a "case". Typically a "case" is 1,000 rounds of pistol caliber ammo, although it may be packaged in 500 round cases, as rifle caliber is.
(We did a video shoot for "In Bed With Butch" for WYBE today...should air on October 19, he tells us. If I wasn't paying off a wedding trip I might well have come home from the range with a shiny new semiauto AK47)
Anyway, you wouldn't wanna try to lift 10,000 rounds of
anything.
One person who's a pain in the ass to the government is eligable for the "precision sledghammer" treatment. A
whole bunch of such people (quite a bit more than, say, a Waco's-worth) is an "insurgency".
Despite the story liberal twits will try to sell you, this *is* still a democracy (modulo the fact that it's actually a republic).
I'm sure your friend has thought about that quite a bit...helo cops that do survellance for pot farms are frequently shot at. In fact all kinds of helos are shot at; the guy who owned the airport where I learned to fly once brought his Jet Ranger back with a bullet hole.
In fact all kinds of helos are shot at;
They fly low, are loud, and fly over populated areas. They bug me too.
10,000 rounds of any caliber is quite a bit more than a "case". Typically a "case" is 1,000 rounds of pistol caliber ammo, although it may be packaged in 500 round cases, as rifle caliber is.
Ha Ha Ha ...yeah my bad, I really have to learn to proof read, having the spell checker has made me lazy......er, lazier.:lol:
1K(1000) typically, except the 7.62x39 is 1400/case.
I'm sure your friend has thought about that quite a bit...helo cops that do surveillance for pot farms are frequently shot at. In fact all kinds of Helios are shot at; the guy who owned the airport where I learned to fly once brought his Jet Ranger back with a bullet hole.
I used to think people should have to eat what they shoot, until I realized we'd soon run out of stop signs.
I used to think people should have to eat what they shoot, until I realized we'd soon run out of stop signs.
And some cops would be even worse shots than they already are.
Doing that video shoot for "In Bed with Butch" we discovered a new kind of "Shoot-N-C" target from Birchwood-Casey, the brand is "
Dirty Bird". Nice, and not dreadfully expensive.
The "shoot n C" targets were a major breakthrough. I love 'em. I had almost forgotten how aggrevating the old kind were. I wish they would give you more than 4 black circles per target. Yes. I reckon I am a cheap bastard...heehee...
The ones I use splatter a super-bright flourescent yellow/green.
The ones I use splatter a super-bright flourescent yellow/green.
Dirty Birds are printed on a heavy plastic coated white paper. They cost about half what the standard Shoot-n-Cs do, but only splatter white. Just as visible though.
Or "Wolverenes!"
Wolverene (tm) -- a patent solvent for cleaning sticky wolverines off your windshield. New from Bugsplat Junction!
Actually, the politicians *are* a solution....but they're a solution to the problem of "somebody has to run this thing", and that solution does generate more problems of its own.
Severeid's Law in action, and particularly true of things political.
Is the liberal cause well-served by such defensive, mindless hyperbole every time Clinton is mentioned? "Yeah, Clinton, but Everybody Knows Bush is Satan Incarnate" is not a very convincing argument unless you're already a cult member.
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/08/14/132207.phpWolverene (tm) -- a patent solvent for cleaning sticky wolverines off your windshield.
You're thinking of Wolverclean.
Pardon the typo. I meant "
Wolverines!"
I know you did. :) I liked Red Dawn too. Not least because I grew up in country that looked like that -- and one of the opening shots early in the flick looks a lot like an exterior shot of the city library in Fort Collins, Colorado.
But don't take RD as a training film on small-unit tactics. They, uh, kinda skimped that part.
Okay, if I don't get this out of my system it'll back me up...
"Wolf-Oil Walter says, 'Dress your hair with new Wolverene(tm)!'"
(It's the punker's secret to that "they tied me to a chair to give me this haircut" look. Large highly trained weasels are standing by to ... fix your hair...)
But don't take RD as a training film on small-unit tactics.
Hey, it's a Patrick Swayze movie, it has nothing to do with the real world. Besides, would you expect high school students to be tactically hip?
Col. Andy Tanner: [using a crude diorama, the Wolverines prepare for an assault on the Calumet Drive-In, which is now a Russo-Cuban "Re-education Camp"] All right. Four planes. Cuban bunker, Russian bunker. munitions dump, troop tents. Four machine gun bunkers. Back here by the drive-in screen are your political prisoners. We'll cause a diversion over here... cut holes in the wire here, fire on all these machine gun positions. The B-Group comes across this area in a flanking maneuver... and when you reach this bunker, you lay down grazing fire on this defilade. I think that's pretty simple. Anybody got any questions so far?
Aardvark: What's a "flank?"
Toni: What's a "defilade?"
Robert: What's "grazing fire?"
Col. Andy Tanner: [out loud, to himself] I need a drink.
I didn't have the impression any of the characters were employing good tactics, cover, et cetera.
I actually met somebody who thought Red Dawn was the ultimate role model for how patriot-survivalists should be. I never could explain to her that the last place Cuban Communists would show up to invade this country would be in Colorado or Wyoming in the winter. Logic does not seem to be a strong point amongst fans of this film.
Can't walk on my own very far tonight, so I am a big loser.
I liked Red Dawn, but I live in FL.
I actually met somebody who thought Red Dawn was the ultimate role model for how patriot-survivalists should be. I never could explain to her that the last place Cuban Communists would show up to invade this country would be in Colorado or Wyoming in the winter.
Well, that would be how they'd've wanted us to think, and they'd achieve tactical surprise thereby. And the Commies weren't just Cubans: they had a regular Comintern in there: numerous Russians, speaking real Russian, one Afghan commie who at least understood Russian when the Cuban officer shouted it at him:
"Ty govoril, tovarishch?!", and I don't recall what-all else.
If they operated on that kind of logic, no wonder those countries ran out of money for invasions before we did :neutral:
Can't walk on my own very far tonight, so I am a big loser.
I liked Red Dawn, but I live in FL.
That doesn't make you a loser, anymore than it does Steven Hawking.
It just steers you to different activities....your head still works well. :D
red dawn scared the SHIT out of me !!!
I was in the USMC at the time , and the possibilitys just WORKED my head !!!!
Never mind that the tactics and location where WAY off !!!
It STILL messed with me !!!!!!!
Ruby Ridge and Waco should bring back reality. :(
Tactical surprise, and come to think of it, an epidemic of head colds among the Cuban paratroops. !Ja-chuuu!