Books...Who Reads Books Anymore?

xoxoxoBruce • Jul 9, 2006 4:30 pm
This site has a jillion statistics about the publishing business, some of which I found depressing.
One-third of high school graduates never read another book for the rest of their lives. Many do not even graduate from high school.

58% of the US adult population never reads another book after high school.

42% of college graduates never read another book.

80% of US families did not buy or read a book last year.

70% of US adults have not been in a bookstore in the last five years.

57% of new books are not read to completion.
That sounds rather dire but I suppose with all the entertainment/time-filling options available (with their instant gratification), it's a lot of competition for books.
If you get gratification from reading it's instant, but if the gratification doesn't come till you finish the book, some electronic options might appear more attractive.

Yeah, I know....too damn busy. Life can be pretty hectic and it's hard to read when you fall asleep on the first paragraph.

But there are a lot of books being published. Especially with the rise of small or self publishers, enabled by electronics.

Some of the statistics are dated but interesting anyway.....at least to me.:blush:
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 9, 2006 4:47 pm
Speaking of books;
Everyone knows you're not allowed to have sex standing up because it leads to dancing, right?

Here is a free online book, "From Ball Room to Hell", by T. A. Faulkner, "Formerly Proprietor of the Los Angeles Dancing Academy and ex-President of Dancing Masters' Association of the Pacific Coast", Copyright 1892, 40 pages.
PREFACE.

You will, my dear reader, find many very plain things between the two covers of this little book; things which will, perhaps, shock your modesty and probably disgust you altogether.

But if you find merely the reading of the facts disgusting, think how much more disgusting is the reality, and how essential that some one should portray the evil to the public in a manner impressive and not to be misunderstood.

I have numerous reasons for undertaking this work, chief among them, however, being because I have for many months, felt it to be a duty to my God, and to my fellow-man. Nay, I may put it in a yet more concise form; and simply say, because of a sense of duty to my God, for I believe the two to be inseparable. As the green calyx of the rosebud holds within its embrace everything required to make up the perfect rose in all its beauty of form, texture, tint and perfume, so my duty to my God embraces my whole duty to my fellow-man in all its beauty of kindness, love, and any help or warning I may be able to give, and if that duty shall lead me to speak out boldly and plainly a warning against the evil of a popular amusement, I will boldly and plainly speak, and leave the result with Him whose I am and whom I serve.

Many will, doubtless, object to the book on account of the plainness of the language used; but, my friends, I have endeavored to tell the truth, and to do this on such a subject, does not admit of the use of delicate language. A mild hint at such a fact, clothed in flowery language, would only serve to give a vague impression, and would fall far short of the mission I wish this little book to accomplish, viz.: the opening of the eyes of the people, particularly parents, who are blind to the awful dangers there are for young girls in the dancing academy and ball-room, and of leading some, if possible, to forsake (as I have done) the old unsatisfactory life of selfish pleasure and sinful indulgence and enter upon the purer, nobler and far happier life, which I have found in the service of the Lord.

I do not undertake to write upon a subject of which I am ignorant. There are, perhaps, few people living who have had more practical experience or better opportunities of finding out the evil influences of dancing than myself. I began to dance at the age of twelve and have spent most of my life since that time, until within a few months, in the dancing parlors and academies. For the last six

3 years I have been a teacher of dancing and for several years held the championship of the Pacific Coast in fancy and round dancing. I am also the author of many of the round dances which are the popular fads of the day.

I merely tell you these things to prove to you that I know whereof I speak, and not because I am proud of them. On the contrary, it is the greatest sorrow of my life that I have been so long and in such an influential way connected with an evil which I know to have been the ruin, both of soul and body, to many a bright young life. And if, in the hands of God, I can be the means of leading one-fiftieth as many souls to Christ as I have seen led to a life of vice and crime through the influence of dancing academies with which I have been connected, I shall be more proud than I have ever been of any previous achievements. And if this little book shall, in any degree, help in the accomplishment of this purpose, I shall feel that I am more than repaid for my trouble in its writing, and shall willingly and gladly endure all the harsh criticism and condemnation I know its writing will bring upon me.

T. A. FAULKNER.

Funny stuff. :D
velocityboy • Jul 9, 2006 5:18 pm
Yeah it's pretty sad. Nobody at work talks about books, just about movies and TV. (I'm guilty of that too, even tho I do read a lot.)

My partner and I have quite a large library, split into rough thirds by fiction, general non-fiction, and my geek books (computer, math, graphics, etc.) We've actually had a hard time finding decent bookshelves. Nobody seems to sell them anymore.
Katkeeper • Jul 9, 2006 6:11 pm
I love books and still read them. I also prefer reading the newspaper in paper form rather than on a computer screen. I am currently reading "Rats" by Michael Sullivan who researched the subject of rats particularly in New York City, and wrote abouat them. Interesting stuff.
smoothmoniker • Jul 9, 2006 6:17 pm
Explain to me why this is a bad thing. If you look at the quality of most of those books being published, I don't know that we would be better off for having read them.

If I decide to watch something on the History Channel or PBS instead of reading a trash fiction novel, isn't that a better choice? Why is the printed word more sacred than then spoken or visual word?
Griff • Jul 9, 2006 6:27 pm
With your examples, sure. In general, though, books require more interaction than tv, more mental exercise. Of course, many of the folks watching History Channel are the same ones reading real books. I can't have cable in my house, since I'm raising children, so its books for me.
Elspode • Jul 9, 2006 6:44 pm
Bruce's Source wrote:
One-third of high school graduates never read another book for the rest of their lives. Many do not even graduate from high school.

Can someone please explain to me how how school graduates fail to graduate from high school?
Beautiful_Stranger • Jul 9, 2006 9:32 pm
Elspode wrote:
Can someone please explain to me how how school graduates fail to graduate from high school?


LOL, how funny.

I work in the children's dept. of our public library, and it's SUMMER VACATION. Which means Summer Reading Lists, and there's a ZILLION kids visiting us every single day. Of course, this is good news.....except for those who work in the library and have to lookup, find, and SHELVE all those bloody books!!!

Rant over! Thank you....just another month to go. :blush:
wolf • Jul 9, 2006 10:11 pm
I would be the one person who still is reading. Given the amount of other stuff I do, my average number of books completed per month is down, but I'm still reading.
farfromhome • Jul 10, 2006 1:12 am
Great catch Patrick! I think those survey numbers may be a little inflated. Still...
seakdivers • Jul 10, 2006 1:31 am
I love to read.
I've had down times where I didn't have the time to read the back of a box of brownies.... hence all of the screaming & running....lol

My husband has a helluva book coming out early this fall, and I'm excited beyond excited!! It's a gathering of some of the greatest forensic minds out there, and it's been a long time coming.
John Adams • Jul 10, 2006 2:40 am
I love to read and typically have 2 or 3 books going at a time. My wife also reads quite often and both my kids (4 and 6) are really into reading, we read every night. Unfortunately most parents don't read to their kids so it becomes something they have to do for school and of course school equals work which is no fun. It is so much easier to sit and stare at a screen or play video games then actually read.

Smoothmoniker - you make it sound like all books are crap. Have you read the top 100 books of all time yet (you can google it)? It's a very interesting list. It should take a while to read all of those even if you read four or more per year.
Shawnee123 • Jul 10, 2006 8:39 am
My mom said that when I was a kid, if there were nothing else around to read, I would read every word on the cereal box. So many of my educated colleagues don't read; have never read classics; don't bother with any of it. I think it's sad what passes for education.

My summer reads so far this year:
The Lovely Bones by Alice Sebold
Lucky by Alice Sebold (I love her writing style)
The Ninth Life of Louis Drax by Liz Jensen
And, re-reading Jane Eyre, again!
Shawnee123 • Jul 10, 2006 8:41 am
John Adams wrote:
Smoothmoniker - you make it sound like all books are crap. Have you read the top 100 books of all time yet (you can google it)? It's a very interesting list. It should take a while to read all of those even if you read four or more per year.


Thanks for the tip. I'm going to work on reading the many that I have not. I was pleased to see The Corrections by Jonathan Franzen on the list. An email pen pal recommended that one to me and I loved it!
Undertoad • Jul 10, 2006 8:52 am
I have a wall full of books, but the web has left my attention span at too low a setting to read/use them.

Online, I now read much more than I have ever done in my lifetime, and that includes when I was 8 and would stay awake at night and read with a flashlight under the covers.

I won't read opinion offline at all; there is so much better available on. Whenever I read hard copy opinion, I keep reaching for the reply button that doesn't exist and it pisses me off.
Spexxvet • Jul 10, 2006 9:47 am
I always have a book going. Almost all is strictly entertainment - sci fi/fantasy, or mystery/suspense - real escapism stuff. And about the only time I get to read is on the throne or at the beach. My 15 yr-old hangs at Borders - she and my 12 y-o son read ALOT, which makes me happy. :)
Stormieweather • Jul 10, 2006 10:19 am
I am at my desk working all day, then I often play online games in the evening. I have tried reading online books but to be honest, it's just too much desk/computer time. To me, a good book should be read curled up on a comfy seat with some music in the background and a nice hot cup of tea or coffee nearby.

I have been an avid reader of books since I began reading at age 4. At that time, I read every book in the house, including the encyclopedia. I read extremely fast and as a result, I out-read my wallet in that I can't afford to buy all the books I could and would like to read. I rarely buy hardback because the price tag is too steep. As it is, I've recently bought another bookcase to house the ones I can't bear to part with.

Most of the books I choose to read are escapism, in my opinion. I've usually read the top 10 or 20 fictional bestsellers. I also have tons of books (dozens) about abuse, emotional health, raising children, poetry, art, music, history, mythology, astrology, gardening, sewing and some odd-ball stuff like palmistry, celestial navigation, and various crafts. I have a few classics as well as some collectables that I stumbled across.

Books are extremely important to me and always have been. Television and computers can never take the place of those written words coupled with my vivid imagination. Speaking of imagination, most of the movies I've seen that were made from books I read, never came close to the scenes played out in my head.

Stormie
Shawnee123 • Jul 10, 2006 10:30 am
Stormie...you said pretty much what I was thinking!

I just moved in with my boyfriend, and he has a small house. Therefore, our garage is filled with boxes of books. I have kept pretty much every book I have ever owned. I have a little of everything: fiction, fact, reference, childrens...even without the internet at home I can find a lot of what I need from my books; I was playing a Nancy Drew game (don't laugh, they're fun) and needed to know a specific fact. I found it in one of my books.

B/f doesn't understand why I want to keep all those books. It is a collection, like any collector. Have I read every single one of them? No. Are there some I may never read again? Yes. But you don't expect people with, say, a salt shaker collection to use them all at the kitchen table. He just doesn't get it!

You can have my books when you pry them from my cold, dead hands. :)
BigV • Jul 10, 2006 12:27 pm
Undertoad wrote:
--snip--
Whenever I read hard copy opinion, I keep reaching for the reply button that doesn't exist and it pisses me off.
:lol:
Buddug • Jul 10, 2006 12:55 pm
Shawnee
You are a kindred spirit . I am the sort of person who wakes up panting at night remembering that so-and-so has still not remembered to give me back that tatty paperback about the reproductive cycle of the humming-bird . I harbour murderous thoughts into the dawn , and worry myself sick about how to ask for it back politely .

But I have had to change recently .


I am moving from Europe to the Caribbean , and I simply cannot afford to take my thousands of books with me . I have thinned my library , and I am giving the rest away . I am giving them away carefully , thinking about my friends' tastes . I put my books into letterboxes . I sent one book to a journalist who had mentioned in an article that he collected the French Guides Bleus .

The amount of goodwill and warmth I have received as a result is quite extraordinary , and yet I thought I would suffer . I am not suffering at all , on the contrary .


( My generosity has its limits of course . NO-ONE will be getting their hands on my complete Gibbon for example . )
Ibby • Jul 10, 2006 1:22 pm
I remember the time a few years ago, in Singapore, spending almost all of our 7-hour layover sitting under a table (dont ask) in Barnes and Noble, because I hadnt seen so many english books in the same place in a year or so.

I read about five books in those five hours. Full books, coupleathree hundred pages.

I've been reading since I was two and don't plan on stopping till I'm a hundred and two. Or later, if I live that long and my sight holds up.
dar512 • Jul 10, 2006 2:05 pm
smoothmoniker wrote:
Explain to me why this is a bad thing. If you look at the quality of most of those books being published, I don't know that we would be better off for having read them.

If I decide to watch something on the History Channel or PBS instead of reading a trash fiction novel, isn't that a better choice? Why is the printed word more sacred than then spoken or visual word?

I think most of the music on the radio today is crap. That doesn't stop me from enjoying some of it.

I enjoyed the Jurassic Park movies, but I've also read the books. The images and thoughts in the books become part of me that wouldn't be there if I had not read them.

I just finished a collection of writings on software development that gave me a number of thoughts and ideas I would not have gotten had I not taken the trouble.

You don't have to read everything that's published, surely. But I think it's awfully limiting to exclude an entire medium.

*not seriously - but*
The main reason to read books instead of watch TV is that books have no commercials or fund-raisers.
SteveDallas • Jul 10, 2006 2:31 pm
Books books books. MMMmmmmm lots of books. Though I'm starting to get rid of some, and rely mroe heavily on the library--we're just running out of space.
Tse Moana • Jul 10, 2006 3:11 pm
I love books, I love to read. Always have, I cannot pass anything with letters on it and not read that as well. Most of what I read is esacpism: scifi/fantasy a lot, pagan stuff, historic novels, poetry, some regular lit. Hardly any of the flimsy books though, they have to have some body (and then I don't mean number of pages).

I used to read more when I was younger, but then, that's easier with less responsibilities to take care of and all. Nowadays, depending on what needs to be done in a given month, I generally read between 2/6 books a month.

I have a great many books (600+ atm), am running out of space but will never stop getting more books, I love them too much.

I like to watch tv too and then divide the time between a handful of series I always watch and some freeranging along discovery channel, national geographic channel and animal planet. I watch stuff beside that, but generally only when I accidentally come across while channelflipping.
rkzenrage • Jul 10, 2006 3:52 pm
What is really sad, & a real testament to the sickness of today, is how people used to ask me "what'cha' readin"... now they ask "why are you readin' that".
I'm not kidding, I get asked that all of the time. They ask me that often, also, when I tell them that I'm going to the library as well.
There must be a reason to read, something must be making you do it... it can't be because you like it, especially since I read non-fiction most of the time.
dar512 • Jul 10, 2006 5:58 pm
Anyone else like to read in bed before going to sleep? I've done this since I was a kid [SIZE="1"][back in the dark ages][/SIZE]. I now find it hard to go to sleep unless I read for at least a little bit.
bluecuracao • Jul 10, 2006 6:06 pm
I love to read before going to sleep, but I've had to learn to pace myself. Sometimes if the book is too good, I'll forget to go to sleep!
SteveDallas • Jul 10, 2006 6:06 pm
I have to have some distraction or I just start thinking about stuff and it takes quite a while to get to sleep. Usually reading or listening to music or something will do the trick.
Ibby • Jul 10, 2006 6:07 pm
Nah, my computer is within arms reach of my bed, so I stay online on AIM and various web sites until I pass out.

Though I DO sleep listening to music, every single night. I can't sleep without it.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 10, 2006 10:34 pm
Shawnee123 wrote:
snip~ I have kept pretty much every book I have ever owned. ~snip
I was in shock for a week when I found out libraries discard books. :shock:
velocityboy • Jul 10, 2006 11:39 pm
xoxoxoBruce wrote:
I was in shock for a week when I found out libraries discard books. :shock:


Discard books? Ours sells the ones they don't think they need anymore at really good prices, and use the money to buy more books. I always go and end up bringing home way too much that we don't have shelf space for :)
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 11, 2006 5:59 am
My bad, I probably should have said divest.
Yes, they try to sell them to recoup their money. I bought a used, out of print, book online from a guy in Philly, that had been in a New Hampshire library. No one checked it out in 6 months so they sold it.

Growing up (actually still), I believed a book was a valuable thing. Even a romance novel has the power to entertain, distract from adversity, teach writing style or level a table leg. There's not a book in the world, I can't learn something from.

I thought libraries would keep every book they ever got in case someone, sometime, wanted to read it. In my mind, a library was a magic place, hallowed ground, divorced from the economic realities of the real world. :blush:
Hoof Hearted • Jul 11, 2006 12:27 pm
I love books, they are sacred to me. Do not bend pages, write in them or set glasses on them. I love their portable-ness. I can entertain myself anywhere, with a book.

I was a branch librarian in CA before we moved out of state. Most of my patrons were children from the grade school across the street. I firmly believe, if you can instill a love of books/reading at a young age, it will help that child in all aspects of its' life. When they can read and assimilate the information as fast as they can speak or think, it will help them in later schooling when the books are drier and more info-oriented.

I remember going to my local library last summer. There had been a thunder storm move through the area and the internet was down. I walked in to pick up a book I had requested that was in and a little boy jumped up and informed in the most DIRE tone of voice that the internet was "out"...
I smiled at him and told him I was sure glad I didn't go to the library for computers and internet!
The librarian commented that some people actually come to libraries for books. To read.
I don't think he got the joke.
HH
Stormieweather • Jul 11, 2006 12:40 pm
I've actually gotten some good deals on books that libraries discarded.

I also take the used paperbacks that I don't care to keep (I read wayyyy too many to keep all of the ones I read) and trade them in at Paperback Palace for credits against other books. When I find an author I like, I go buy all the books I can find by them and dig in. PP is a great store for that as they generally have a huge selection of used books, sorted by genre/author.

Oh, and I have started writing a book. It will be an autobiography of sorts. Maybe I'll start a thread here somewhere with some of the stories from my life that I'll be including ;) .

Stormie
Trilby • Jul 11, 2006 12:52 pm
Griff wrote:
I can't have cable in my house, since I'm raising children,


Having cable and raising children are mutually exclusive?

I read constantly. I LOVE to read. If reading had been a sport in my high school, I would have lettered. If I could be paid to read-that would be my perfect job. I read classics and crap and the O magazine and National Geographic and the indie paper around here and poetry and...and...
Kitsune • Jul 11, 2006 12:57 pm
I don't buy it. (PDF of NEA 2004 survey results.)

A decline in reading? Yes. "58% of the US adult population never reads another book after high school?" I don't think so.
Griff • Jul 11, 2006 2:59 pm
Brianna wrote:
Having cable and raising children are mutually exclusive?


To me, they are. On some other thread, Ibram made a little mistep saying that "society" had f*cked a particular child. The real deal is uninvolved parents destroyed that child by not imposing themselves between society and their offspring. I know cable has some value like propaganda er news channels but right now I have two wonderful kids who come to Pete or myself when the world seems screwed up or scarey, rather than getting their values from Fox or CNN. When they are older and are ready to process all the images, we may get cable, but don't count on it. We broke the tv habit and I'd hate to give up book or Cellar hours to go back.
dar512 • Jul 11, 2006 3:09 pm
I'm with you Griff. Our girls are now 13 & 14. The only broadcast TV they have ever seen at home were the various Olympics. Otherwise our TV is a monitor for the DVD and VCR. On school nights it's never turned on. Obviously that's just one factor, but both girls do well at school.
Trilby • Jul 11, 2006 3:22 pm
I have cable TV and my sons have managed not to embrace CNN or Fox or any other network, cable or not, or show for their values. And I can't recall that they ever sought comfort from the scarey world in television, either.
Griff • Jul 11, 2006 3:25 pm
It is only my way. Your mileage may vary.

I just ask myself, would I invite people into my home who behave in ways which seem normalized on tv?
BigV • Jul 11, 2006 3:37 pm
Dude.

Ballard Bookcase. Practically in your neighborhood. Drive by it twice a day. Check 'em out.

velocityboy wrote:
--snip--
My partner and I have quite a large library, split into rough thirds by fiction, general non-fiction, and my geek books (computer, math, graphics, etc.) We've actually had a hard time finding decent bookshelves. Nobody seems to sell them anymore.
Undertoad • Jul 11, 2006 5:20 pm
My mom made sure we had only a 12" black and white TV, on purpose, and was careful about restrictions, etc.

Today I have the biggest TV I can afford and digital cable with 100 channels + 7 HBOs, TiVo, surround sound, etc. and watch hours upon hours of propaganda every day. In the truck it's Sirius with 150 satellite radio channels.
Clodfobble • Jul 11, 2006 5:36 pm
One of my Radio-TV-Film professors had a standard question on the first day of every class: "How many of you were not allowed to watch television as children?" The percentages were astounding; usually more than half the class.
Ibby • Jul 11, 2006 5:44 pm
I watched a lot of TV, but only the fun stuff. If it was supposed to be intellectual or funny or something and wasnt, i didnt care. I think ive always been a bit ahead of the age curve... I started reading when I was two... and here I am as a teenager, hanging with and getting along just fine with a bunch of people twice my age. I cant stand most forums populated by people my age, theyre pretty chaotic yet boring. No real content.
wolf • Jul 12, 2006 12:23 am
As I was trying to pick out the next book I'm going to read, I had a little movie flashback that should help everyone understand how into books I am ...

You've seen Fahrenheit 451? You know that house, the one where the girl lives with the older folks ... I don't have that much clever space, but I have nearly that many books.
velocityboy • Jul 12, 2006 1:19 am
BigV wrote:
Dude.

Ballard Bookcase. Practically in your neighborhood. Drive by it twice a day. Check 'em out.


Cool, thank you!
Pancake Man • Jul 12, 2006 1:42 am
The 3rd-graders I work with don't read. I don't mean it isn't fun, I mean they can barely read. One was sent down the hall last year, to examine how the 5th-graders read. Absolutely no difference. Children see it as a chore, something that they only have to do in school, so they never learn to enjoy it. Think; now teachers are not asking "Can you read this?", they are saying "Read this or you fail." Not exactly positive reenforcement. Then again, the students aren't so eager, with the XBox 360 waiting at home.

Rant finished.

*walks away with head down*
Ibby • Jul 12, 2006 8:53 am
Man, in third grade, the teacher had to keep YELLING at me FOR reading in class.
wolf • Jul 12, 2006 9:44 am
I had the same problem in 4th grade, especially since I was reading "grown up" books. Like Willard.
Ibby • Jul 12, 2006 9:48 am
Yeah, I was reading 'young adult' fiction and a few classics. I read gulliver's travels, treasure island, etc before fourth grade... and remember none of them.
Hoof Hearted • Jul 12, 2006 11:20 am
I recall when I was in 5th grade (mid 70s), we moved from town to the country and the library was far, far away. So I started reading Mom's books; Stephen King is most notable, along with Jaws (scared of water now) and her college classics: Return of the Native, Kim, Scarlet Letter, Catcher in the Rye and Hemingway ~ Farewell to Arms and For Whom the Bell Tolls.
wolf • Jul 12, 2006 11:28 am
I'm pretty sure I read the Exorcist in 5th or 6th grade.
Buddug • Jul 12, 2006 11:34 am
What is that book American teenagers always used to read ? The cross and the switch-blade ? Something like that .
Clodfobble • Jul 12, 2006 11:36 am
I had a teacher take away one of my Stephen King novels because "The movies are rated R, so the books must be too."
wolf • Jul 12, 2006 11:42 am
An attempt was made at that with me. My mother said, "If she's able to read it, let her. It's not her fault that you wouldn't place her in the grade she tested into. She's bored."

(I had transferred to Catholic school because of a move (my cousins went there, so I also had to go) and tested at the 6th Grade math level and 9th or 10th grade reading level. It is typical practice of Catholic schools to place public school transfer students into the next lower grade because the "public school education is bad". What ended up happening is that even though I was placed into my age-appropriate grade, I lost some serious ground since Catholic school 4th grade math was similar to public school late 2nd grade math in the MidWestern district from which I originated.)
Buddug • Jul 12, 2006 11:42 am
The film in my head after reading 'Misery' is definitely not for children , so perhaps your teacher had a point , Clodfobble ?
Incidentally , 'Misery' is the only good book that Stephen King has ever written .
wolf • Jul 12, 2006 11:43 am
Incorrect. But it might have been the last.
Buddug • Jul 12, 2006 11:43 am
... and 'Misery ' is bloody brilliant .
wolf • Jul 12, 2006 11:45 am
The Stand is "bloody brilliant."

Misery was all about the shock.
Buddug • Jul 12, 2006 11:54 am
Well , I have not read that one . I went off Stephen King when he started to go supernatural with clowns . If I want to go American supernatural , I read Poe , or James . No one has ever written anything better than 'The Turn of The Screw' in that sort of vein . Bloody TRULY brilliant .
Ibby • Jul 12, 2006 11:56 am
Yeah, the stand pwnz... though its the only King book I've read thus far.
Hoof Hearted • Jul 12, 2006 12:21 pm
I love all his earlier works and don't particularly care for his latest stuff, what he's published in the past 10 or so years.

What made King GREAT, was the possibility of belief that the story could actually happen...Cujo, Firestarter, Night Shift(short stories) and his other early works.
hh
BigV • Jul 12, 2006 12:28 pm
wolf wrote:
The Stand is "bloody brilliant."

Misery was all about the shock.
...the bunched salt-dome that was his knee...

I had to put the book down, down on the table and walk that one off. I get shivers just writing about it now, years later. :thepain3:
Hoof Hearted • Jul 12, 2006 12:49 pm
Ooohhh! That's the same part that gets me!
I remember my sis and I rented the movie and rewound and replayed the "smackin' of the knee" several times, trying to get our mother to keep her eyes open to WATCH it.
BigV • Jul 12, 2006 1:20 pm
Can't watch that part of the movie. Don't need to since the image is already burned into my brain from the book.

Let's change the subject, shall we?
Buddug • Jul 12, 2006 5:05 pm
No-one read 'The Turn of the Screw' ?
Tse Moana • Jul 12, 2006 8:39 pm
wolf wrote:
I had the same problem in 4th grade, especially since I was reading "grown up" books. Like Willard.


I did similar. In our school, we had group reading regularly and then all kids at the same level (not necessarily same grade) would sit together with an adult and read aloud in turn. By the time I was about 8 I was in the top level (9) and remained there for a while before they decided to let me read on my own. That's when I picked the big Jules Verne book out of the closet and read 20.000 Miles Under the Sea and Journey to the Centre of the Earth. That was also the period that I really got into getting five books out of the library every week (that was the maximum allowed amount of books to take) and have them all read before the week had passed. And then I had to wait until the library truck came again (our town's not big enough to have a permanent library so we get a mobile one).
velocityboy • Jul 12, 2006 9:43 pm
Ibram wrote:
Yeah, the stand pwnz... though its the only King book I've read thus far.


You should check out The Gunslinger and the rest of the Dark Tower books. They are totally different from his other stuff and, IMO, really good - the earlier ones more so than the later, but all worth reading. The Stand actually figures in to the Dark Tower mythology, too.
Ibby • Jul 12, 2006 9:55 pm
Yeah, I know some of the background of Dark Tower... the Walkin' Dude.

Man, I wish I could find the Walkin' Dude's pork button somewhere...
velocityboy • Jul 12, 2006 10:10 pm
Ibram wrote:
Man, I wish I could find the Walkin' Dude's pork button somewhere...


LOL. If I ever see one I'll send it to you.
Hoof Hearted • Jul 12, 2006 10:26 pm
velocityboy wrote:
The Stand actually figures in to the Dark Tower mythology, too.

Quite a few of his later books do, too. I'd say his collaboration with Peter Straub on "The Talisman" comes closest in theme to his Dark Tower books.

Of the Dark Tower series, the 4th book has been the only book I've ever mourned finishing. I moped for several days before I could begin another book...and that isn't like me at all! I usually have a book or magazine going at all times, sometimes two books at once.
velocityboy • Jul 12, 2006 10:50 pm
Hoof Hearted wrote:
Quite a few of his later books do, too. I'd say his collaboration with Peter Straub on "The Talisman" comes closest in theme to his Dark Tower books.


Agreed, The Talisman is also an excellent book. Black House was also good, but failed to really capture the magic of the first book. Perhaps it was because the world was no longer being seen through the eyes of a 12-year old; Jack was a lot more jaded in the second book.

I *think* that Insomnia is the only non-series book that ever explicitly refers to Roland.

Hoof Hearted wrote:
Of the Dark Tower series, the 4th book has been the only book I've ever mourned finishing. I moped for several days before I could begin another book...and that isn't like me at all! I usually have a book or magazine going at all times, sometimes two books at once.


(Trying to not give spoilers here) yeah, what happened near the end of the Majis part definitely explains a *lot* about Roland's character.

Long days and pleasant nights :)
Hoof Hearted • Jul 13, 2006 12:04 am
velocityboy wrote:
Long days and pleasant nights :)

*taps my throat three times with the straightened fingers of my hand*
Iggy • Jul 18, 2006 1:19 pm
I love reading. I will usually read a book in a day because I have to know what happens. Not really feasible with larger than 400 page books, but I finish those in two days. I use to read Steven King, loved Misery the best but I only read about half a dozen or so. Usually I read romance novels because they are easy and most of the time don't have sad things in them that would bring down my mood. Books are my escape from the real world and I want it to be a fun escape.

But I do love sci-fi books. Right now I am also reading Heinlein's The Cat That Walks Through Walls. I haven't gotten that far into it, but it seems interesting so far. I really enjoyed Stranger in a Strange Land. It is probably one of my favorites of all.

I would much rather curl up with a book than watch T.V. anyday, but that is just me. :)
Trilby • Jul 18, 2006 1:26 pm
Three books that as soon as I was done reading them I started over again right away: LITTLE WOMEN, CANDIDE, THE CORRECTIONS.

All awesome.
Buddug • Jul 18, 2006 1:32 pm
I loved Little Women . I remember the scene when they did something to hide the hole in the glove . Can you remind me , Brianna ?
dar512 • Jul 18, 2006 4:46 pm
Iggy wrote:

But I do love sci-fi books. Right now I am also reading Heinlein's The Cat That Walks Through Walls. I haven't gotten that far into it, but it seems interesting so far. I really enjoyed Stranger in a Strange Land. It is probably one of my favorites of all.

I actually like his earlier work better. Here are some that I have read and enjoyed:

* Orphans of the Sky (1941)
* Puppet Masters, the (1951)
* Rolling Stones, the (1952)
* Star Beast, the (1954)
* Tunnel in the Sky (1955)
* Door Into Summer, the (1956)
* Citizen of the Galaxy (1957)
* Have Space Suit, Will Travel (1958)
* Starship Troopers (1959)
* Glory Road (1963)
* Podkayne of Mars (1963)
* Farnham's Freehold (1964)
* Moon Is a Harsh Mistress, the (1966)
* Time Enough for Love (1973)
Iggy • Jul 18, 2006 8:08 pm
I almost got Starship Troopers. At the very last minute I decided to get the other one. That will be the next on my list. Do you have a favorite?
Hoof Hearted • Jul 18, 2006 9:34 pm
Brianna wrote:
Three books that as soon as I was done reading them I started over again right away: LITTLE WOMEN...

I just visited her grave at Sleepy Hollow Cemetary in Concord, Mass a few weeks ago.
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Buddug • Jul 19, 2006 5:58 am
Thoreau was born in Concord , wasn't he ?
Trilby • Jul 19, 2006 8:24 am
Buddug wrote:
I loved Little Women . I remember the scene when they did something to hide the hole in the glove . Can you remind me , Brianna ?


IIRC, she wore one glove and held the hole-y one in her hand. Very resourceful, those March girls.
Buddug • Jul 20, 2006 7:39 am
Ah , thank you for the reminder , Brianna . I have great respect for those who hide holes . Another good one can be found in 'Down and Out in Paris and London' , by Orwell . He refers to hiding the holes in your dark socks by inking the exposed skin .
Hoof Hearted • Jul 20, 2006 9:38 am
Buddug wrote:
Thoreau was born in Concord , wasn't he ?

Not sure, but he certainly is buried there. He is also on Author's Ridge at Sleepy Hollow Cemetary in Concord along with Hawthorne, Ralph Emerson Waldo (did I get his names right? RWE? REW?) and Alcott.
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Buddug • Jul 20, 2006 3:20 pm
RWE . What a splendid set of writers sleeping together . I shall visit Sleepy Hollow Cemetery to pay them my respects one day . It is perfectly scandalous that I have not yet set foot in America .

Hoof Hearted , would you be kind enough to describe the cemetery so that I can have an imaginary picture of it in my mind ? Thank you .
Hoof Hearted • Jul 20, 2006 10:47 pm
I'll do you one better, I'll take you there...
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Buddug • Jul 22, 2006 9:33 am
Thank you , Hoof Hearted !
rkzenrage • Jul 22, 2006 11:13 pm
Wanted to punish me as a kid, no books... same goes for my three-year-old.
Cutest thing in the world is him "reading" me The Hungry Caterpillar. We need to video tape it, keep putting it off... got to this week.
dar512 wrote:
I actually like his earlier work better. Here are some that I have read and enjoyed:

* Orphans of the Sky (1941)
* Puppet Masters, the (1951)
* Rolling Stones, the (1952)
* Star Beast, the (1954)
* Tunnel in the Sky (1955)
* Door Into Summer, the (1956)
* Citizen of the Galaxy (1957)
* Have Space Suit, Will Travel (1958)
* Starship Troopers (1959)
* Glory Road (1963)
* Podkayne of Mars (1963)
* Farnham's Freehold (1964)
* Moon Is a Harsh Mistress, the (1966)
* Time Enough for Love (1973)

All of those are good, but my fave is Number of the Beast.
TiddyBaby • Jul 24, 2006 11:28 am
I guess since the last time I posted here (back in the day.... maybe a month or so ago,.... but in internet times = 7 or more years) I have gone through some 37 books. (Nora Roberts "In Death series" and WEB Griffins "Semper Fi" series..... and a couple extras)

Audio Books may not count for much.

However, when read unabridged through a pair of earbuds, ... they are better than drugs, booze, and monoslobic whistling or coversations of cohorts during working hours.

Nothing beats the imagination that a book read or read to.
dar512 • Jul 24, 2006 1:04 pm
TiddyBaby wrote:

Nothing beats the imagination that a book read or read to.

Even those who don't care for the Harry Potter books should borrow the audio books from the library. Jim Dale's work is so extraordinary that it will be worth your time. I prefer the audio books to the movies, by far.
Brooke of the Land • Jul 24, 2006 3:37 pm
I always have felt a bit out of place, being the big reader in school. Even my closest friends never read as much as I did, and I always felt like the biggest nerd for "wasting my time" with books, instead of going outside to play with them. However, I'm incredibly thankful that my parents instilled such an important quality in me, and continue to carry on my love of reading, so much so to the point that I've read most of the books I own and nearly every one at my parents house at least twice.

I think it's a shame that so many kids divert themselves away from reading. I've always been told that reading is the best way to escape into another land, become another person, experience new things - and it truly is. Why have an image created for you on a screen when you can use your own imagination to fill in any detail, just the way you want?
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 24, 2006 3:43 pm
Welcome to the Cellar, Brooke. :D
I found if I read the book, I wouldn't feel bad about missing the movie by being....uh....preocupied.
Iggy • Jul 24, 2006 4:19 pm
In my experience, the book is always better than the movie. I love movies too, but books are better. ;)
Jabbly • Jul 24, 2006 9:12 pm
I can't understand how people can not love to read. I've had a passion for books since I could only look at the pictures. My motto in life has been 'never leave home without a book' and it has served me well.

I always get so sad when I finish a good book. The truely great ones leave me unable to start another for a while cos I'm so deeply involved in the world. Robin Hobb's incredible Farseer Trilogy left me wandering around vaguely for a week trying to find something to fill the void it left in my life :sniff:
Jabbly • Jul 24, 2006 9:19 pm
I find I always expect the movie to be just like the book, not just the way I imagined it but also have every little part in it. I've enjoyed many movie when I think of them as entirely differrent to the book but have rarelly found one I enjoy as much, or more than, the book.
Hoof Hearted • Jul 24, 2006 10:13 pm
The one movie I can think of that I preferred over the book, was Nicholas Evans' "The Horse Whisperer". I felt the book ending was bogus and if he knew horse behavior, cowboy codes-of-conduct and how a REAL horseman is....his book would have had the movie's ending...which I liked MUCH better.
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skysidhe • Aug 2, 2006 1:52 pm
Hoof Hearted wrote:
The one movie I can think of that I preferred over the book, was Nicholas Evans' "The Horse Whisperer". I felt the book ending was bogus and if he knew horse behavior, cowboy codes-of-conduct and how a REAL horseman is....his book would have had the movie's ending...which I liked MUCH better.
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I thought so too Hoof Hearted.
I thought the writer just got bored and gave up. It was the worst and most unrealistic ending I ever read.



I do love books. I cross between a couple genres.
Flint • Aug 2, 2006 2:09 pm
Somewhere in the previous 95 replies, I may have already mentioned that Ayn Rand wrote a decent screenplay of her own novel, The Fountainhead, which produced a decent film starring Gary Cooper. Rand managed to avoid the common problem of the film not having enough time to cover the material in the book by fusing characters and events together while maintaining the spirit of the book. She could do that because her characters and events were just stark symbols in the first place.
skysidhe • Aug 2, 2006 2:15 pm
I read some Rand in college. I don't think I agree with her. Her views and Frued I just can't stomach. That said, I didn't know she did a screenplay or any other books.
Ibby • Aug 2, 2006 3:37 pm
I dont agree with a lot that Ayn Rand has to say, but she's a good writer, thats for sure.
Happy Monkey • Aug 2, 2006 4:23 pm
Flint wrote:
Somewhere in the previous 95 replies, I may have already mentioned that Ayn Rand wrote a decent screenplay of her own novel, The Fountainhead, which produced a decent film starring Gary Cooper.
I saw that movie. It was pretty funny.
glatt • Aug 2, 2006 4:34 pm
Happy Monkey wrote:
It was pretty funny.


Man, that scene at the end, in the quarry, cutting stone! That was the best.
Flint • Aug 2, 2006 4:35 pm
No doubt about it, Gary Cooper is a comedy genius.
Sundae • Aug 3, 2006 6:34 am
I'm like Scout in To Kill A Mockingbird - I wouldn't have said I loved reading when I was little any more than I would have said I loved breathing.

I used to get quite sulky at lunch when I was 9 or 10 because when we ate in the kitchen we had the television on, but I wasn't allowed to read at the table. TV was monitored and limited in my house, but casual meals were always accompanied by the TV because we children argued less then!

If I had books for Christmas my parents would confiscate them until after Boxing Day, otherwise I would hide away and read them, not taking part in the fmaily celebrations.

I probably read about 3 new books a week, taking them out of the library or buying them 2nd hand from our local charity bookshop at £2 each. I'll also reread about 3 or 4 of the favourites I have in the flat - I don't have an awful lot more to do with my time!

My reading age outstripped my comprehension age as a child - I read Joan Aitken's Midnight Is A Place far too young and it haunted me for years - a dark confusing blur of images.

I also sneaked into my Mum's room and read James Herbert's Domain when I didn't have any new books of my own. The description of the nuclear attack on London distressed and sickened me so much, I felt violated and wished I could open up the top of my head and give my brain a wash.

Of course the resilience of youth meant that within a week I was back reading it chapter by chapter when Mum was at work. She shrieked one evening, reading it in the living room, and carried away I said, "Oh have you got to the bit where the arm is chopped off?" Boy was I in trouble.

Oh and to answer a previous question - I have read The Turn of the Screw. It just didn't touch me that much. In fact I've tried it twice - I'm afraid it's just not for me.
Urbane Guerrilla • Aug 24, 2006 1:06 am
And then there are all those "serious pieces of literature" that don't resonate with you, or are largely misadvertised. Fear Of Flying is not an erotic novel. It is a neurotic novel, with a great many New York City idiots in it.