What is your totem?
A few weeks ago we had a friend over for dinner and after a few drinks, she allowed, in a bragging, yet sub rosa kind of way, that her "totem animal" was the Eagle. She then proceeded to sound for us her eagle call.
Oh, it was chilling.
Actually, it was not the least bit chilling. SWMBO and I exchanged that special kind of glance and nodded politely.
Later, after our guest left I asked SWMBO why everyone who has a totem animal always chooses eagles, or bears, or some other heroic, or cuddly, or industrious animal. Now I say chooses, because that is really what is going on, despite all the weekend journeying workshops,or three day vision quests where you pretend that your totem presents itself to you.
Why does no one have the sewer rat as a totem? Or the siphillis spirochete? Or the sea cucumber? Or for fuck's sake the lawn grub?
It's the same as past lives. No one ever wants to own up to the fact that in a past life they were probably a wife beater or child molester. No, No, they were queens or kings or even specific queens. I've personally met no less than three women who told me that they were reincarnations of Cleopatra. Why don't these people swap genders? Why were they always some lofty, spiritual, noble person who, now in this life, is down on their luck, riding the subway with commoners?
You don't ever hear people say "Whew, boy I am glad I'm not a sex slave any more. It sure is great to be free and white and living in the U.S.A. and having a college education to boot. You'll never hear me piss and moan AGAIN."
Color me skeptical, however I want a totem animal. Not squirell nutkin either. I want a totem with some teeth,
MY TOTEM IS THE EBOLA ZAIRE VIRUS.
I'm proud of it. My totem will kick your totem's ass.
What's your totem, shrimp?
The
Water Bear. The water bear dines on a delicious treat of barbequed ebola virus on a stick.
Along time ago I had a dream I was running in a forest on all fours. I don't think I was a runnaway dog :P I know that is weird but it was an awesomley cool dream all the same.
but don't think me too serious.
A couple of years ago I had a dream of war. People came and were taking people out of their houses. I could choose one thing to take. I chose my toothbrush.
so @ footfoot ....people have really told you that? I don't know if I believe in regressions either.
IF I were to guess I was some stuck up person who beat her maids. Now I am stuck in a place of servatude OR just too damn lazy and didn't want to leave heaven at all.
Beestie, Damn! the waterbear. I forgot all about the waterbear...
skysidhe: maidbeater, I bet you knocked a couple up as well, and then threw them out in the street.
skysidhe: maidbeater, I bet you knocked a couple up as well, and then threw them out in the street.
Why would I do that? Who would run my bath? Massage my feet ect..ect.
oh, and you know what? My feet are SO ticklish I can't even stand it.Oh it's all making sense now. :)
Several researchers of reincarnation have pointed out that the great majority of people who claim past lives choose illustrious persons rather than the dregs of the earth which certainly outnumbered them during all times in history. It rather makes the whole thing sound ridiculous when you read how many people, including Shirley McLaine, say they were Mary Magdalen in a previous life.
But as for totums, you do not pick them. They choose you. To do anything else would be like the Shore Patrol guy who accompanies Jame Caan in Cinderella Liberty, babbling about how - being a Scorpio - all kinds of impressive traits can be attributed to him while the audience laughs at the boring reality. Deciding that your totum is the majestic national bird when you are more Mr. Peepers than Chuck Norris does not exactly increase your status. If you really have a totum, people will tell YOU what it is, not the other way around. Too many people have been reading comic books or seeing movies based on them, and they think a totum is some supernatural spirit that comes to your aid, filled with impressive special effects. Nothing could be farther from the truth ;)
watch out prey
You don't ever hear people say "Whew, boy I am glad I'm not a sex slave any more.
I enjoyed being a sex slave.
My totem is the bunny. It's not very scary or heroic. It hops, though.
Does anyone have a house tomte?
My totem is a pink and yellow mechanical dragon/dinosaur thingy (sort of t-rex shape). I dreamed that some years ago... :)
My totem must be the hyena, because I always find myself amused at completely inappropriate/inopportune times.
Color me skeptical, however I want a totem animal.
Totems aren't about wanting -- it is very possible to have a totem and not desire it.
It's the same as past lives. No one ever wants to own up to the fact that in a past life they were probably a wife beater or child molester. No, No, they were queens or kings or even specific queens. I've personally met no less than three women who told me that they were reincarnations of Cleopatra. Why don't these people swap genders? Why were they always some lofty, spiritual, noble person who, now in this life, is down on their luck, riding the subway with commoners?
You took the
rant out of my mouth. Of the billions of lives lived, they were mostly lived in fear and starvation. Many people have a gross misunderstanding of the crossover between their perceptions and their expectations, and when you throw a mish-mash of spiritual principles gleaned from bumper stickers at head shops, what you end up with is a useless distraction. Don't get me started.
I must not be 'cool' then, because no totem ever chose me. I do love animals and have had lots of pets though :) .
If you were reincarnated and in your past life you were Jack the Ripper, would you admit it?
Stormie
If you were reincarnated and in your past life you were Jack the Ripper, would you admit it?
Stormie
I so totally would.
Admit it?
Hell, I'd write a book.
Totems aren't about wanting -- it is very possible to have a totem and not desire it.
Sorry kitsune, I didn't have my sarcasm hand up. I couldn't agree with you more. I was basically bashing peole who go out and shop for a totem that they fancy.
I also wonder if a person could have a totem and not deserve it, which is what I thought you posted at first glance.
Admit it?
Hell, I'd write a book.
How about if you weren't someone famous, but rather a nobody bum, a scumbag, thief, drunkard, and all around loser? Would you admit to that?
Stormie
I also wonder if a person could have a totem and not deserve it, which is what I thought you posted at first glance.
Could be. I don't know. I certainly don't claim to understand much about it. I'm a huge skeptic about this kind of stuff, but I have had experiences in my own life that conflict with my thoughts on this kind of thing. I will say that if you subscribe to the idea of a totem, I think it is very possible to be placed in a position you don't enjoy and one you did not want.
I am a part time medicine man, so.....always willing to give and give.....i am willing to give you your totem, and waive the usual fee.....just because i like you.
footfootfoot: Otter
Undertoad: Badger
Brianna: Wasp Queen
SteveDallas: Giraffe
Kitsune: Paul Simon
Wolf: duh.....a Raven
Jinx: Killer Whale
HappyMonkey: Ocicat
Flint: Chipmunk
MaggieL: Great Walrus
Bruce: Clydesdale
Griff: Cougar
Dar512: Horned Owl
Pie: Osprey
Beestie: Whitetail Deer
I know mine too....I'll give you a nickel if you can guess it.
I know mine too....I'll give you a nickel if you can guess it.
Ass.
How about if you weren't someone famous, but rather a nobody bum, a scumbag, thief, drunkard, and all around loser? Would you admit to that?
Sure, I could still make a good book out of that. What are they going to do, prosecute me for crimes committed in my past life?
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Originally Posted by lumberjim
I know mine too....I'll give you a nickel if you can guess it.
Ass.
Wrong. Rooster.
Where's mine, since you're waiving your fee today?
I was going to mention that, despite years of waiting patiently, my totem has not yet presented itself to me. Either that, or I've been too stupid to notice. I'd like to think that it is the common housecat, but I'd like to be *sure*, I think.
I can't be too easy, though. Even Lumberjim the Mystic didn't peg one for me.
Oh, and BigV...LJ's isn't a rooster...its a peacock.
A WASP
queen? Why? Why?
Does my Izod Collar show so much?
I know mine too....I'll give you a nickel if you can guess it.
Hint: Not the one on the left. Pay up. :)
spode....sorry i forgot you
Platypuss
BigV: Squirrel
I just got one of these as a familiar in Kingdom of Loathing! He digs up mushrooms that let you go on "trips".
What are they going to do, prosecute me for crimes committed in my past life?
That would explain the existence of republicans, now wouldn't it?
Ah-hem, LJ. What's mine? It had better not be rodent related.
Ah-hem, LJ. What's mine? It had better not be rodent related.
oddly enough, yours is a gorilla. i was surprised too.
LJ, i would be honoured if you gave me a totem.
You don't know yours? It's so obvious.....I just assumed that you already knew. It's the Sperm Whale.
Ass.
aw, are you pissed about yours? I thought everyone knew you were a fox spirit. I think you've said as much. I just think you look a little like a young Paul Simon. This is not a knock. Paul is a God.
Jinx: Killer Whale
But, but, she hates the ocean, doesn't she?
I like Clydesdale, I'll take that as a compliment. BUT, from the time I was about 14, all though school and even to this day, to a lesser extent, my close friends call me Bear.
I'm pretty sure Wolf's totem, despite her name, is the moose. :elkgrin:
y' can have mine.
what's wrong with a squirrel? you're industrious, playful, and have a bushy tail, are you not?
A WASP
queen? Why? Why?
Does my Izod Collar show so much?
dark, dangerous...and oddly alluring.
A giraffe? Fascinating. I'm not that tall. Maybe it has to do with the tongue?
What about me LJ ??
doh how could i forget you?
Roadrunner. meep beep!
But, but, she hates the ocean, doesn't she?
these things do not always make sense.
aw, are you pissed about yours?
No, I was certain you were a beast of burden. ;)
You don't know yours? It's so obvious.....I just assumed that you already knew. It's the Sperm Whale.
are you just saying that because my head is full of an oil that resembles semen?
are you just saying that because my head is full of an oil that resembles semen?
not so much.....mainly, it's your blowhole
No, I was certain you were a beast of burden. ;)
That he may be, but LJ's totem is the chinchilla.
NO.
My girlfriend = chinchilla.
yes. good. all is well. carry on. nothing to see here.
stop staring at me!
Mine would be an owl. I see that Dar512 has already taken that as well.
I like Clydesdale, I'll take that as a compliment. BUT, from the time I was about 14, all though school and even to this day, to a lesser extent, my close friends call me Bear.
I'm pretty sure Wolf's totem, despite her name, is the moose. :elkgrin:
Bruce is indeed about the beariest bear out there ... anyone who has met him can certainly confirm that.
Moose is one of my totems ... you can have more than one, you know, especially if you're a magick-worker or shaman. You end up with a whole peanut gallery of helpers, some of which are more closely associated with you than others. I have also learned from crow and fox and coyote. (Moose is about patience and balance, the kind of balance necessary to understand and appreciate your enemies).
Sometimes you stay with a single primary totem throughout your life, other times, they can switch on you ... which has happened to me. I spent a very long time with wolf as my primary guardian (thus my handle). A few years or so ago, somebody else stepped up to the front, and I am now a member of the hawk family, in a manner of speaking ... Black Storm Hawk is what I am now called.
Any creature can be a totem animal or guardian, they don't have to just be the large, cool popular ones. Each particular animal has it's own teachings and lessons to impart to us. One of my friend's totem animal is the cricket ... they aren't all celestial tigers and jaguars. You also, incidentally end up with both the good and the bad qualities of the creature that walks with you ... so folks with rabbit, for example, can be fertile (of body or imagination), very strong sense of community and home, but also can be timid to the point of immobility. Eagles fly highest and closest to Great Spirit, carry the messages of the Gods to Earth, see clearly and far, however, have such a huge damn ego that sometimes it's difficult for them to get over themselves and off the ground.
How the animal presents itself in vision also can tell you about your guardian ... walking, flying, swimming, smiling, hunting? What color variations/phase is your guardian ... White Bear, Ice Bear, Brown Bear, Smoking Bear, etc.
For a while the native circle I pray with was a little heavy on wolves ... Shadow, Silver, White, Flying, and Snow ... while it's more customary to refer to someone by the "animal" part of their name, in this case, we went with their "first" names, for obvious reasons.
Moose is one of my totems
Aw, shucks. Thanks.
How the animal presents itself in vision also can tell you about your guardian ... walking, flying, swimming, smiling, hunting? What color variations/phase is your guardian ... White Bear, Ice Bear, Brown Bear, Smoking Bear, etc.
Your whole post was very cool to read. I am intrigued and you answered my question. I did dream of BEING a wolf running in a forest. I don't feel any close affiliation though except for the running part.
I lean toward birds and cats and I dearly love horses. Is it hard to keep your love for animals seeping into the 'what I WANT' as a totum instead of what is drawn to me.
Having Native American blood in me I am drawn to these ways. I believe in visions but I have an analytical mind. ( spare the crappy spelling)
I found a test. It came up with the wolf as my totum. It could have been salmon if I had chosen the other toss up question the test threw at me.
haha @ salmon. Wonder what that means ? :) oh and oddy enough I have dreamed of swimming under water and being able to breath water which of course neither can I do :p
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[FONT=Arial][SIZE=1]100%[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=1]Bull[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial][SIZE=1]92%[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=1]Dog[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial][SIZE=1]83%[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=1]Deer[/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial][SIZE=1]75%[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=1]Eagle[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial][SIZE=1]67%[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=1]Fox[/SIZE][/FONT]
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actually those scores are wrong. Wolf 100% and Salmon 100% It is bull at 92% and adjusted in sequence like that all the way down.
I don't know why it messed up when I posted it. I don't know how to fix it either. ( simple sort here)
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http://quizfarm.com/results.phpSalmon is a fish of great wisdom to the Celts, and great tastiness to just about everyone ...
Salmon medicine is about persistence and stick-to-it-ive-ness, and having a very strong sense of home (that whole swimming upstream thing, see). The downside is that salmon people can have a kind of tunnel vision about their goals and desires, such that they can miss on other opportunities.
I was unable to locate the animal totem test, however, I learned that I was of the geek/nerd clique in high school from that site.
Salmon is a fish of great wisdom to the Celts, and great tastiness to just about everyone ...
Salmon medicine is about persistence and stick-to-it-ive-ness, and having a very strong sense of home (that whole swimming upstream thing, see). The downside is that salmon people can have a kind of tunnel vision about their goals and desires, such that they can miss on other opportunities.
ahh, spot on. Thanks :heart-on:
You answered my other question. I didn't have any idea of how that related but now I see it does. So true on the downside as well.
My son said sometimes people reminded him of animals. He is not mystical at all just a normal kid so I didn't understand what he meant when he said he thought we both looked like fish to him. I do have big eyes and lips.
lol
anyway, thanks again wolf. I learned so much from you this morning:D
Totem link - The cells didn't line up quite right on that last post. This link should work.
http://quizfarm.com/test.php?q_id=13435&first=yesI found the totem test, it's on the fourth or fifth page of tests, near the top. Apparently my totem is the fox - comments, please, Wolf (or anyone!)?
Take as a given that the test may not be accurate ...
But fox is about invisibility, secrets, and the ability to hide in plain sight. Like many canids, she also tells us about maintaining a safe and stable home and relationship.
I thought my totem was the Pack Rat.
You scored as Bear.
You are the bear. You have a great strength in your limbs as well as in your heart. You enjoy being playful more than anything and love life.
Wolf
83%
Horse
83%
Deer
83%
Bear
83%
Eagle
75%
Dragon
75%
Bull
75%
Dog
67%
Fox
67%
Salmon
67%
Crow
50%
Ram
50%
Stag
42%
Snake
8%
You are the Eagle. People respect you and for good reason. You are a creative person who likes to do things abstractly. You tend to be a healer, either with yourself or with others.
Eagle
83%
Stag
75%
Dog
75%
Horse
75%
Crow
75%
Salmon
75%
Deer
67%
Dragon
58%
Bear
58%
Fox
50%
Ram
50%
Wolf
33%
Bull
33%
Snake
17%
Take as a given that the test may not be accurate ...
But fox is about invisibility, secrets, and the ability to hide in plain sight. Like many canids, she also tells us about maintaining a safe and stable home and relationship.
Caveat noted. But even so the comments are interesting ...
I'm %100 dog.:p
Yeah, this is a story of a famous dog
For the dog that chases its tail will be dizzy
These are clapping dogs, rhythmic dogs
Harmonic dogs, house dogs, street dogs
Dog of the world unite
Dancin¡¯ dogs
Yeah
Countin¡¯ dogs, funky dogs
Nasty dogs (Dog)
Atomic dog
Atomic dog
My totem animal is "Bill, the Cat," of Bloom County fame. In my past life I was a serf who got killed in a very minor Russian border skirmish. My name was "Billeteski." 19 publishers have already rejected my manuscript. :p
I knew you were a damn alien.:eyebrow:
I was sure I was the oyster, but quiz farm has this to say:
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100% Fox.
Kind of interesting because I saw a red fox on the front porch last night.
really? Red Fox?
Yep. He's just a cub. I'll try to get a pic next time. He only comes in the middle of the night.
You scored as Dragon.
You are the Dragon. You store a lot of knowledge about everything. You are generally one who is good with personal growth and can regenerate yourself after a bad experience.
Salmon
92%
Dragon
92%
Dog
92%
Wolf
83%
Horse
83%
Crow
83%
Bull
83%
Stag
75%
Eagle
75%
Fox
67%
Ram
67%
Bear
50%
Snake
50%
Deer
50%
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As knoble as that looks , it sounds like a mouse with his BALLS cought in a mouse trap
this is why i'm not worried about computer tests replacing my big medicine.
I got Deer in a tiebreaker with Dragon.
I knew you were a damn alien.:eyebrow:
Hey! What could be more American than Bill the CAT? What's alien bout him?
The trouble with totem animals is that they seem to be far more complex than most white folks realize. My Zuni friend is from the Badger clan, so you'd think his totem would be the badger, right? Wrong! When he did his coming of age ritual, he encountered bears, so the bear is his totem animal, but his affinity is for the lynx.
I think its too easy to get caught up in New Age BS and accidently misunderstand or even disrepect other people's traditions. Its easy to take a quiz on the Internet and decide your totem is a cocker spaniel or something; its quite a different thing to go to a sacred, wild space for 5 days with no weapon, no trail mix, no sleeping bag and encounter a bunch of bears (or whatever).
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Originally Posted by Stormieweather
If you were reincarnated and in your past life you were Jack the Ripper, would you admit it?
I so totally would.
No, Brianna was not Jack the Ripper in a previous life. But she screwed him.
As knoble as that looks , it sounds like a mouse with his BALLS cought in a mouse trap
hehehe ... :lol2: I giggled myself off the chair for no other reason than I watched those nature shows growing up. They do sound like huge mice!
Take as a given that the test may not be accurate ...
I know.....Tests like these are only as good as the persons answers and the creator of the test. I think the person who made the test did a pretty good job? I guess.* shrug * It's fun to explore anyway.
Find Your Totem
You came up with more options for tests than I could rk.I will have fun exploring them. Thanks for that.
No, Brianna was not Jack the Ripper in a previous life. But she screwed him.
HEY! And Et tu, Beestie?
/*begin muttering/*you think some people are nice enough then they go and say you did the nasty with Jack the Ripper when you're only trying to figure out your totem animal AND be honest about your past lives but NO ONE listens to you they just make sick jokes about you sleeping with JTR and not actually BEING JTR but what do they know, huh? I'll tell you what they know: bupkis! don't worry about them, they'll get theirs oh yes they will it will all come together as planned and foretold by the family oh yes they will be sorry...*/end muttering*/
Hey! What could be more American than Bill the CAT? What's alien bout him?
~SNIP
In my past life I was a serf who got killed in a very minor Russian border skirmish. My name was "Billeteski."
;)
You scored as Dragon.
You are the Dragon. You store a lot of knowledge about everything. You are generally one who is good with personal growth and can regenerate yourself after a bad experience.
Dragon
92%
Salmon
83%
Eagle
83%
Stag
75%
Wolf
75%
Crow
75%
Horse
75%
Bear
67%
Fox
67%
Snake
58%
Bull
50%
Deer
50%
Dog
50%
Ram
42%
When I drank a lot? My totem was the olive. It simply chose me.
Now. Has ANYONE ever heard of or had a House Tomte?
~snip
The trouble with totem animals is that they seem to be far more complex than most white folks realize. My Zuni friend is from the Badger clan, so you'd think his totem would be the badger, right? Wrong! When he did his coming of age ritual, he encountered bears, so the bear is his totem animal, but his affinity is for the lynx.
I think its too easy to get caught up in New Age BS and accidently misunderstand or even disrepect other people's traditions. Its easy to take a quiz on the Internet and decide your totem is a cocker spaniel or something; its quite a different thing to go to a sacred, wild space for 5 days with no weapon, no trail mix, no sleeping bag and encounter a bunch of bears (or whatever).
I think there is alot of truth in that. I don't though understand your signiture line however.
I knew you were a damn alien.:eyebrow:
No she isn't an alien. Mar is smart and funny and has a creative mind. If anyone is going to lay claim to the alien thing that has to be me. I am an alien.
I have proof . I have no chin, big eyes, spindly legs yet no upper body to speak of. :alien: :( yep, gotta be true aye?
When I drank a lot? My totem was the olive. It simply chose me.
:lol:
Now. Has ANYONE ever heard of or had a House Tomte?
I had to look that up. I thought a House Tomte was some british drink :P
We call them garden gnomes but they look the same?
Ayway Yes, when my grandmother passed they lived at my moms house awhile then I think I gave ( not sold ) the crusty little things away in a garage sale last summer. I can't tolerate them. I like frogs and dragonflys for the garden instead. Do you? Why do you ask? Do you want a gnome of your own?
This ones not bad but I still don't like them for some reason.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomte 
When I drank a lot? My totem was the olive. It simply chose me.
Now. Has ANYONE ever heard of or had a House Tomte?
I've had a rum tum tomte, and a rumbling in my tomte...
You are the Salmon. Despite first thoughts, you have wisdom abound. You rejuvenate yourself and others often just by your presence and you never give up, always pushing upstream.
Salmon
92%
Crow
75%
Bear
75%
Eagle
75%
Fox
75%
Dog
67%
Ram
58%
Horse
58%
Deer
58%
Dragon
50%
Bull
50%
Snake
50%
Wolf
42%
Stag
Ummm. Salmon.
You scored as Dragon
You are the Dragon. You store a lot of knowledge about everything. You are generally one who is good with personal growth and can regenerate yourself after a bad experience.
Eagle -- 100%
Dragon -- 100%
Deer -- 83%
Dog -- 83%
Fox -- 83%
Bear -- 75%
Wolf -- 75%
Salmon -- 75%
Crow -- 58% (about right, considering my diet)
Ram -- 50%
Stag -- 42%
Bull -- 42% (waaay low to hear my friends' commentary)
Snake -- 17%
Horse --17%
That was fun. Dragon and Eagle are very flattering but I am humbled by wolf's astute observation about the amount of hot air it takes to get that much ego aloft.
That was fun. Dragon and Eagle are very flattering but I am humbled by wolf's astute observation about the amount of hot air it takes to get that much ego aloft.
It wouldn't have been as fun without wolf I agree.
I was of the geek/nerd clique in high school from that site.
no way! :eek: So you reconnected?
I have always been in touch with my inner geek, and I have the pile of Star Trek Memorabilia to prove it.
I think you have become the victim of assumption based on clumsy phrasing on my part ... What I was saying was that there was a test for "find your high school clique," which accurately sorted me into Ravenclaw ... I mean geek/nerd.
well I could have told you that :P
I would have graduated my junior year. Not really smart but dedicated enough of a book worm I could have skipped a grade for the second time in my life.
That is until I ventured into another kind of learning.:D
I have always been in touch with my inner geek, and I have the pile of Star Trek Memorabilia to prove it.
I am still in touch with my inner geek and have the Star Trek stuff to prove it. :D
Live long and prosper to all Geeks! Oh, alright, and everybody else as well.
IF I were to choose a totem it would be the Dragon for it's primal energy and strength. I like to cut right through the chaff and get right to the meat of the matter so I respect the dragon. It's been around for a long long time.
what's wrong with a squirrel? you're industrious, playful, and have a bushy tail, are you not?
I am no longer in denial. See new avatar.
IF I were to choose a totem it would be the Dragon for it's primal energy and strength. I like to cut right through the chaff and get right to the meat of the matter so I respect the dragon. It's been around for a long long time.
But you don't get to choose ... you get chosen.
But you don't get to choose ... you get chosen.
Actually I don't think the symbolism of the dragon can be given or taken. Like the pentagram and the cross can't be a totem in the typical sense because it is just a symbol of energy. I just happen to think the dragon symbol is primordial energy. I think animals posses a spirit. I don't believe energy is a singular spirit.
That's why I said
IF because I don't think it is possible to have only to harness.
I've never
chosen a totem 'for real' either but if the dragon were possible to have I would chose it. I should have said I didn't actually think it was possible before.
I am drawn to the symbolism of it. More so than the thought of any 'totem' ever could. I know my strengths. Having seen the wolf and the swimming thing for what it means I see that those strengths I do have but have 'no power' in themselves.
I am kind of rambling. Hope that makes a little sense. I got brain fog happening.
http://dragons.monstrous.com/signification_of_dragons.htmI'm not sure I want to know mine.......
Brain fog is better than a brain cloud. You might have to find a volcano to get healed.
I'm not sure I want to know mine.......
...but...but....I thought it was....you know....* whispers* the captain howdy doll?
[edit- not doll! I know it's the spirit thing. It just inhabited her doll once. I thought that was the scariest part. I saw that dang movie when I was 13]
Brain fog is better than a brain cloud. You might have to find a volcano to get healed.
:)
funny, got a chuckle out of me but then I was thinking that volcanos have to deal with nasty 'getting thrown into the volcano'rituals and that's just not my style:P
....* whispers*
pssttt....
My totem is the nightmare rabbithead creature from Donnie Darko.....
either that or a bearded collie.
Breaded Collie?
Do you want fries with that?
Heheh. Bearded. Similar to Border Collie but way more hair. Only chosen because I own a bearded collie (known by colllie owners as 'beardies').
He stays on guard for me....and only ever expects lots of treats, cuddles and hour long walks in the country in return.
Hell, I'd take that job. :lol:
My totem is the nightmare rabbithead creature from Donnie Darko.....
either that or a bearded collie.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Beardies!
aheheheheheh a beardie fan huh?
When I find my recharger for my digital camera, I'll post some pics on the pet thread. he is absoultely gorgeous. He was chocolate brown as a pup with ginger flashes at the backs of his legs and a proper white collie flash on his neck....now he's a sort of pale cappuccino froth colour, with a pale brown (almost pink) nose and and green gold eyes.
I grew up with Beardies, they're great.
The book 'Totem and Taboo' by Freud .
Do you have to believe you've been reincarnated to have a totem?
The book 'Totem and Taboo' by Freud .
A horribly outdated and very enthnocentric book. Inapplicable. How the man drew the connection from totems and animism to the prevention of incest in tribal cultures, I will never understand. He should have stuck to studying oversexed housewives in Vienna.
Do you have to believe you've been reincarnated to have a totem?
Not always, no.
Freud = irrational belief . Thank you for being one of the few who ALMOST got my point , Kitsune .
So...I guess I don't understand this totem ish...sounds like it's something made up. A state of mind, er something.
What you have just said is the conclusion that most people come to after they have been in university for twenty years , KinkyVixen .
This means that you should come up with a BETTER definition ( unless of course you are one of the sad louts who have been in university for twenty years . I know that in American universities , strange things like washing socks and drumming count towards having a degree )
Freud = irrational belief . Thank you for being one of the few who ALMOST got my point , Kitsune .
I had no idea that dropping a single line and referencing a work by title and author constituted a complex facet of discussion, so you'll have to pardon me if I only managed to grasp the very edge of your point that you managed to fit in such a concise and perfect package. Care to elaborate on your comment beyond the eternal depth of "Freud = irrational belief", or should I give you some time to relax from your mentally strenuous musings and post that this simply "dovetails into your original message"?
I shall forgive you .
Thanks fatfingers, I appreciate it. Since we're on the topic of obvious equations...
Buddug =
Stop trolling the threads, jackass.
This means that you should come up with a BETTER definition ( unless of course you are one of the sad louts who have been in university for twenty years . I know that in American universities , strange things like washing socks and drumming count towards having a degree )
A better definition for what?
I haven't been in college for 20 years...but considering I'm 26 I have been in school for almost all of my life.
EDIT: nevermind :) I'll just mind muh bidness.
Not always, no.
So...how do you get one? Or know you have one? Or...uh...yeah...one of those two.
A better definition for what?
I haven't been in college for 20 years...but considering I'm 26 I have been in school for almost all of my life.
I think the people Buddug looks down upon who "have been in university for twenty years" are known as "professors".
So...how do you get one? Or know you have one? Or...uh...yeah...one of those two.
Totems and animism exist in the world in many different forms to fulfill many different niches and a variety of spiritual/religious purposes. Are you asking about a specific culture or totem?
Totems and animism exist in the world in many different forms to fulfill many different niches and a variety of spiritual/religious purposes. Are you asking about a specific culture or totem?
Just in general I guess. Maybe I should do some research. I'm not very diversified or cultured (obviously) and I just didn't wanna be out of the loop :sniff: !
I mean, I figure I could say I'm like this animal, or whatever...but what fun is if there's no signifigance behind it?
What purposes do totems fulfill?
I mean, I figure I could say I'm like this animal, or whatever...but what fun is if there's no signifigance behind it?
What purposes do totems fulfill?
Totems were often just identifying features of a group or clan of people that distinguished them from another, but often at a personal level, they provide direction and insight in times of uncertainty. The significance (spiritual or not) comes from whatever you or your culture assigns to it. The last anthropology book I read even went as far as to draw the parallel between totems and sports teams mascots by showing that even in modern, western culture it is still accepted to rally identify a group of people with an animal and rally around it.
In some cultures, your surname may give a clue as to what your clan totem may be or may have been.
Oh...wow I feel stupid. I watched this show once, not too long ago, they took these troubled teens out into the wilderness so that they could deal with their "issues" head-on and hands on with help (psychiatrists and stuff). When they were done with their program, ready to graduate and enter back into the real world they had a ceremony. At the ceremony they were given a "totem" and an explanation of why their mentors thought that the animal that they were given fit them. It symbolized their fight and strength to overcome whatever it was that they were there to overcome. I think that type of totem, at least for me, would hold very high and special signifigance.
Hey, don't feel stupid--I like your story. It tells how totems can be used in modern, wonderful ways.
Do you have to believe you've been reincarnated to have a totem?
No, you don't.
But, if you do believe in reincarnation ... you could have had a different totem in a prior life, or the same one. Ditto for Guardians.
Hey, don't feel stupid--I like your story. It tells how totems can be used in modern, wonderful ways.
Which, interestingly, is also how totems can be used in traditional, wonderful ways.
My other favorite quote: Spiritualists and Shamans do the same job psychiatrists and psychologists do, using the same tools, and obtaining about the same results.
--E. Fuller Torrey, M.D. (he's at St. Elizabeth's Hospital in D.C., and is a leading researcher in Schizophrenia and Bipolar Disorders. He also has done a lot of work regarding deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill and resulting problems with homelessness, crime, etc.)
No, you don't.
But, if you do believe in reincarnation ... you could have had a different totem in a prior life, or the same one. Ditto for Guardians.
Well, I don't believe in reincarnation. I find it quite creepy, and there's nothing about my life that would lead me to believe that I had another one at any point. Good to know tho. I don't have a totem regardless. What percentage of the world's population does that put me in?
Ditto for Guardians.
Care to describe guardians? I'm not familiar with that concept.
Well, I don't believe in reincarnation. I find it quite creepy, and there's nothing about my life that would lead me to believe that I had another one at any point.
According to some Robert Thurman, we've had millions of past lives. If so, I can see the utility in not remembering them.
If, as Alan Watts the Zen philosopher maintains, we're all waves (ie individuals) on the same ocean (ie God), then reincarnation is redundant. As God said, first of all I'm going to create a playground and then I'm going out to play, but, to have any fun I'm going to have to forget who I am. So, the next person you meet just say hi to yourself but don't expect them to remember you!
To my pagan way of understanding, a totem is an aspect/facet of you/universe/God manifesting as an animal within your consciousness that allows you to tap into various knowledge/abilities to aid your understanding life, the universe and everything. I've found with my totem that it quite often appears through the physical form of the animal it symbolises at the most opportune or needful points in my life. More often though it appears in my dreams, and they are a bugger to understand at the best of times. Ha, the games God plays (or as the American Indians prefer to call it, the Great Mysterious. A superb term which I find is free of all the human connotations/characteristics we fanatically attribute to the Gods of religions).
A true totem meets you half way. You have to put the effort in to find it in the first place. No free lunches with Nature/Great Mysterious!
It's the same as past lives. No one ever wants to own up to the fact that in a past life they were probably a wife beater or child molester. No, No, they were queens or kings or even specific queens. I've personally met no less than three women who told me that they were reincarnations of Cleopatra. Why don't these people swap genders? Why were they always some lofty, spiritual, noble person who, now in this life, is down on their luck, riding the subway with commoners?
You don't ever hear people say "Whew, boy I am glad I'm not a sex slave any more. It sure is great to be free and white and living in the U.S.A. and having a college education to boot. You'll never hear me piss and moan AGAIN."
Well you know, this has annoyed me numerous times. I do however know of a few of my past lives - which makes it even more painful. Because nobody believes you as it is so similar to dreams and idolization. It's most of the time a part of themselves that the past life represents or who they want to be, in some aspect. And, in addition, if someone was interested in past lives they would take it seriously if they somehow felt a connection with the world around them, like for instance characters in books, movies, and then... soon they are lost in idolatry, and prjecting images. Though it should be noted that this is not a bad thing at all - if only that person wants to see what the idol is really saying about them, about their values and such... and then they are a step closer to who they are - whether it was a past life or not. (This sounds like - 'not all lies are bad'. heh!)
Well back on track... Well, my past lives weren't so nice, at all. I don't really care if they are real as they helped me to heal. (The difficulty with past lives is that often the medium simply say what life they had and don't assist if it would bring forth strong and sometimes destructive emotions from that person- knowing about ones past lives could therefore be quite the fatal blow) Perhaps it is sometimes easier to see some things from a distance and not as yourself...
I was a jew in two lives and died at a young age both times - in one I let myself be burnt up with a baby in my arms because of depression, poverty and isolation. In the other I was beaten and raped by germans. In another life I was stabbed in the back. In another I was a
roman strategist who was forced to go to was nd fell in love wiht one from the forbidden people. In one I was a stern nun who had been beaten in gods name when growing up and treated everyone as slaves and guilted her surroundings. All lives here have some connection to this life and my trauma now - otherwise I wouldn't have been told about them by my therapist.
ah, well, I don't have a clue about my totem animal - the same idolatry and projections apply in this area as well, obviously. There ae part of different animals that I like. I like humans for their diversity and innocent thickness and that they have a choice. Snakes are similar to that Snape character, and who doesn't like to be secretly doing good and helping others, being martyrlike, and in a way very noble. The cat can see through people. Hyenas are intelligent and have great know-how when it comes to surviving, and they are hermaphrodisiacs. I can put in whatever symbols I want, it will still work fine. But you know, real life is the best mirror - I mean, animal totems are so abstract - life is swift, painful and full of impressions.:rolleyes:
ok, now I feel too good, blue eyed and naïve - perhaps I should visit a satanist wep page or something...:right:
yes! I knew you would come! I've been waiting for so long for this day!
welcome home!
Interesting story SomeSunday. I will admit to not believing that what you are experiencing are past lives: I don't believe in reincarnation. But that's just my view of the world. Still an interesting experience regardless of whether they are truly past lives or just a vividly imagined one.
Welcome to the Cellar btw *smiles*
You don't ever hear people say "Whew, boy I am glad I'm not a sex slave any more. It sure is great to be free and white and living in the U.S.A. and having a college education to boot. You'll never hear me piss and moan AGAIN."
That made me laugh a lot.
Hmm...I scored as a Deer on two different quizzes...is this why there's always like 20 of them in our yard eating from the gardens? :D
Which animal totem best suits you?
You scored as a Deer
You are the Deer. You tend to be very gentle with other animals of your domain and are also considered the innocent one, which is a good thing. You tend to be able to perceive more than others, which is a handy skill.
Dragon 100%
Deer 100%
Fox 92%
Eagle 83%
Crow 83%
Dog 83%
Wolf 83%
Stag 83%
Bull 75%
Ram 67%
Salmon 58%
Bear 58%
Snake 17%
Horse 8%
Which animal totem best suits you?
You scored as a Dragon.
You are the Dragon. You store a lot of knowledge about everything. You are generally one who is good with personal growth and can regenerate yourself after a bad experience. [FONT=Arial][SIZE=1]
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Wolf [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]75%[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]
Horse [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]75%[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]
Crow [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]67%[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2]
[/SIZE][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Snake [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]67%[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]
Ram [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]67%[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2]
[/SIZE][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Dog [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]67%[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]
Fox [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2] 67%[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2]
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Bear [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]33%
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Hey neat! another Deeragon (100% deer, 100% dragon)
Bullshit, claiming Dragon is just an excuse to gobble virgins... you ain't foolin' me.
Notice the nice people have a dragon in their top two?
Bullshit, claiming Dragon is just an excuse to gobble virgins... you ain't foolin' me.
Shhhhhhh...
They're just so damn tasty...
Notice the nice people have a dragon in their top two?
Thank you.
