Moderator nomination thread
There should be at least two moderators so that the whole concept is spread over many people and not just one.
It doesn't take much work at all. One would be added to the list of email addresses that get notified when someone reports a post. One would remove spam and forum abuse and things like this.
Moderators can do the following:
- Edit, move, delete posts
- Edit, move, copy, open/close threads
- Post announcements (make posts "sticky" at the top of the forum)
- Ban users
They cannot:
- See real IP addresses
- See hidden user profile information
Being a moderator is more responsibility than work. In recent times we have been receiving about one spam per day and those users have to be banned and their threads removed or at least the posts removed. Sometimes users ask for specific help in editing stuff and one can certainly remove duplicate posts and merge threads that should be merged and such.
Cellar moderation is purposefully light, so there isn't a tremendous amount of actual work to do on that front, unless you have a vision of a different Cellar than the one we've arrived at so far.
So I figure there should be two, and that we should nominate and vote on them. So the floor is open to nominations and another thread will be opened for voting. We should elect our moderators, it is the only fair way to do it.
Previously nominated in PMs and the "changes" thread have been: xoxoxoBruce, wolf, SteveDallas, Lumberjim and Nothing But Net. Did I miss anyone? NBN was more interested in just the one section so I leave it to him whether he prefers to be nominated for the whole thing. If any nominees have second thoughts now is the time.
BTW I appreciate all your private messages on the subject, everything you all have said makes a lot of sense.
Would it be possible for the reported posts to go to PM instead of email, if someone is not likely to be using the same email address at different times of the day?
This does not appear to be an option.
xoxoxoBruce, wolf, SteveDallas, Lumberjim and Nothing But Net are a good group to choose from. I would be happy with any of them as mods.
I have no idea if they are interested, but I would also nominate Happy Monkey and BigV. They both are level headed and are around a lot.
I nominate... no... or... no... and... um... no... damn!
You have a hard job.
I am for anyone who can be diplomatic and fair.
I am for anyone who can be diplomatic...
Well, that lets me out. :-) I'd certainly support wolf or bruce though, even though wolf does plain-spoken crone like I do and bruce and I disagree about some political stuff. Assuming either would want the job...
I moderate some other places and it's a *hard* job...wolf has seen me do it on the RKBA-PA Yahoogroup.
The others Glatt mentions I don't think I've seen enough of to have a good opinion. I'd hope UT would maintain enough control to remove a moderator who didn't continue the usual Cellar mostly lazzez-faire philosophy.
xoxoxoBruce, wolf, SteveDallas, Lumberjim and Nothing But Net are a good group to choose from. I would be happy with any of them as mods.
I have no idea if they are interested, but I would also nominate Happy Monkey and BigV. They both are level headed and are around a lot.
And, if they're interested Elspode, RichLevy ...
I'd hope UT would maintain enough control to remove a moderator who didn't continue the usual Cellar mostly lazzez-faire philosophy.
I think there should be a term limit, but otherwise I really don't think I should override the authority of the voters. You choose them, they are your moderators, not mine.
Unless the system was being broken or being used to break the law.
Ooh, I said term limit but I really meant term of office. If someone is doing a job that the voters like, they should be able to be re-elected.
I vote for Wolf , Bruce , Steve D , Rich L , and Splode in that order .
HM and or Big V as well .
All these folks seem level headed and reasonable .
I think everyone thus far nominated would make a fine moderator and don't have anyone to add. I would just suggest that there should be a period between nominations and voting to give those nominated a chance to carefully consider whether or not they wish to accept the responsibility.
Nominees should not feel pressured into accepting the nomination and should be granted the opportunity to decline the nomination without anyone reading anything into it.
Well, that lets me out. :-) I'd certainly support wolf or bruce though, even though wolf does plain-spoken crone like I do and bruce and I disagree about some political stuff. Assuming either would want the job...
I moderate some other places and it's a *hard* job...wolf has seen me do it on the RKBA-PA Yahoogroup.
The others Glatt mentions I don't think I've seen enough of to have a good opinion. I'd hope UT would maintain enough control to remove a moderator who didn't continue the usual Cellar mostly lazzez-faire philosophy.
well, I think you wear the crone well maggie :) I haven't found you to be 'downright mean' I think cartoons are funny. * shrug* I would nominate you, Bruce,HappyMonkey any one that can put a fun spin on something is cool by me.
Re: lazzez-faire, anyone that is overly controlling, obnoxious, rude, abusive and showing more than hints of narcism is what I meant when I said diplomatic and fair. I think you can be fair if you want to be maggie :)
I think you can be fair if you want to be maggie
So if I'm not, it's wilful. :-)
And, if they're interested Elspode, RichLevy ...
Ooooh....second the motion.
I haven't found you to be 'downright mean'
There's lots of space between "downright mean" and "diplomatic". :-)
I agree, Elspode and richlevy should be in the running as well, if they're willing. Personally, I'd go for more than two, since it seems the bulk of the job would be deleting spam and those crop up at all hours, but I realize that having too many might be a bigger pain for you, UT.
bruce is a shoe in for the first term at least. we want a good example set, after all.....
as for the second? yeh, wolf, i tink.
I'm really only interested in the Images section. I haven't posted much lately, but I do lurk continuously beneath the surface. UT I assume will still be picking and posting the IotDs.
I agree, Elspode and richlevy should be in the running as well, if they're willing.
I'd second, er...third that. My problem is I'm not on during the day. Much of the spam & crap happens overnight or in the morning and I don't get here until late afternoon or early evening.:blush:
I'd be willing, but I do have the aforementioned email issue. If the list of flagged emails shows up somewhere other than email I could do it, even if the notification is email-only.
There's lots of space between "downright mean" and "diplomatic". :-)
Satire and picking bones done with class and smarts would
have to be willful.
There's a skill. A finesse with words.
Not a fishwife. There is a difference between willfully aware prods and knee jerk reactions.
ok ok,,,maybe not diplomatic but if Bush can be president we can say Maggie is diplomatic. Or can be.
I nominate Mari.
Okay, no I dont, not because shes not worthy but because that would piss too many people off.
Uhhhh... I second those already mentioned.
Like my opinion really matters around here, but I think Kitsune's name should be thrown into the hat if he's willing.
OOH! OOH! We should do a Field of 64 on this!
...Except we'd never get 64 real nominations.
Hmph. I still say It'd be fun.
*chants* bruce! bruce! bruce!
Actually, I really have no preference. Bruce would be good, but so would the others mentioned.
i nominate kagen. he's really sexy and speaks very good.
i nominate kagen. he's really sexy and speaks very good.
nah i wouldnt be a good moderator but thanks for the nomination
I'd second, er...third that. My problem is I'm not on during the day. Much of the spam & crap happens overnight or in the morning and I don't get here until late afternoon or early evening.:blush:
That's why you have to do it by hemispheres. We manage just fine at the site where I am administrator: Greece comes online and I can go to bed because it is the middle of the day over there. It goes Greece, Argentina, Mexico, California, and back to Greece again. I really need somebody who is located in Asia, but there is nobody fluent in English and Spanish who qualifies so that means some of us have to check in throughout the day just to make sure nothing slipped through. The Cellar could easily use the same principle, with a PA or NY person handing off to WA or CA, then passing it to Australia who then waits for a Brit to get online. The time zones in Asia will be an empty spot here too, although you might want to ask Ashke to hang out at a certain time and email the next person in line if something happens which needs attention.
nah i wouldnt be a good moderator but thanks for the nomination
hey kagen, I nominated you on another thread.
I didn't know you were sexy from your words* wink* but you deliver teriffic one-liners.
I'll nominate kagen on this thread too since he's jonsen for attention :):p
That's why you have to do it by hemispheres. We manage just fine at the site where I am administrator: Greece comes online and I can go to bed because it is the middle of the day over there. It goes Greece, Argentina, Mexico, California, and back to Greece again. I really need somebody who is located in Asia, but there is nobody fluent in English and Spanish who qualifies so that means some of us have to check in throughout the day just to make sure nothing slipped through. The Cellar could easily use the same principle, with a PA or NY person handing off to WA or CA, then passing it to Australia who then waits for a Brit to get online. The time zones in Asia will be an empty spot here too, although you might want to ask Ashke to hang out at a certain time and email the next person in line if something happens which needs attention.
Well, I am on for two and a half solid hours (give or take a few minutes) every day between about 12.30 and 3 here, which is midnight-thirty through three AM on the east coast, so I can be a moderator's helper-monkey and keep an eye out then if someone likes...
Nominations so far, then:
xoxoxoBruce
Wolf
SteveDallas
Lumberjim
Nothing But Net
Happy Monkey
BigV
Elspode
RichLevy
Kitsune
It wasn't clear whether skysidhe's mention of maggie was a real nomination or just a personal endorsement. Please clarify, skysidhe.
Otherwise, nominations remain open and nominees can say whether or not they accept the nomination, and let's say we vote on like Thursday.
What do you think of a one year term through 6/1/2007?
I like Tonchi's idea of "rolling" mods. For example, Kitsune or Bruce could cover the Eastern time zone, Big V or Tonchi herself, if she has the time, could cover the Pacific zone. We need an Aussie for that part of the world and I seriously nominate Kagen for that. Cyclefrance could do Europe and then hand it over to Bruce again. Just a thought. A one year commitment sounds reasonable to me.
I like the nominations already put forward: xoB, wolf, HM, lj, SD, Els, rl. I also think tw (despite his current tagline) and dar would be good moderators. I am basing these nominations on what I know of the temperment displayed by these users, and on the little I know about the duties and responsibilites of the postition. I think it should be taken seriously.
I accept my nomination. (thx glatt and zippyt!)
I have some questions about the responsibilites of the role itself. In the envitable case of a spam thread being created, and perhaps warned about with the notice going to email, what is the acceptable window for response time for deletion of such a thread? Golly, if I found one, and I have, I wouldn't mind if it were there as long as a day before deletion. I know I don't want to give aid, comfort and bandwidth to such parasites for one moment longer than I must, but if it happens and I don't get to it until I login/check that email address/see the smoke signals/etc, for a little while, is that a dereliction of my duty?
I also am a fan of terms of office. I am apprehensive (normally so, not abnormally so) that I will be able to do the job (if elected). and I would want to know that there was an "out" if I wasnt' fit. Short of banning me, of course. What are we talking here? Some number of months?
Multiple mods. Are we talking working in shifts? Or is it more like a distribution list and the first one to get to a ticket/email is the one to handle it?
Limited mods. I respect NBN's point that he would prefer to mod only a subset of threads. I think this is a good idea. I also think NBN would be a good moderator for the scope he defined.
Well, I can see by the big clock on the wall that I have to get back to class. I'll be back later.
SteveDallas
or
Happy Monkey
Mari, we have lots of guys on the West Coast and nobody wants me to be a mod here, even if I did have the time :rolleyes: But as for what BigV is asking, the only real critical issues would be blocking spammers and flamers immediately and getting the trash off the board. What I have been doing at my other website is we created an ADMIN FORUM, and the messages are moved there to get them off the board and to allow us as a group to analyze what happened afterwards. Nobody can see this forum except me and the mods. This preserves the IP for me to trace and check against previously banned or troublesome persons to make sure they are not back under a different identity. It also allows us to decide how we will handle certain issues in the future, and if one of the mods disagrees with removing the message he can explain his reasons. We have found this to be very satisfactory, and it protects us too because people who do not like our forum rules are always writing letters to the webmaster and Thalia or her record label to demand our removal or death and that way we can demonstrate the chain of events to the final authority (although not once has this been necessary).
I'll nominate the magster (magstress? MaggieL).
edit: but what about this idea: Urbane Guerilla AND tw!!! wouldn't that be a hoot! Each one gets emailed every day HALF of the new password -- that way they'll have to work together to decide who to show the door...
I nominate Kagen.
barefoot already got the magster
i think jinx would be good at it. she's on a lot more than i, and has experience. plus, she's smarter than i am.
i'm going with bruce and wolf.
If nominated, I will not run to the liquor store for some Scotch. If elected, I will not serve quiche. Sure, I accept.
i'm going with bruce and wolf.
Yes, but you haven't heard about my $100 gas rebate idea.:D
Ok, really.
Obvious spam. Delete.
Banning users. Only after consultation for any kind of established user. A unilateral ban should only be for extreme cases such as hit-and-run spam.
Thats about it.
edit: but what about this idea: Urbane Guerilla AND tw!!! wouldn't that be a hoot! Each one gets emailed every day HALF of the new password -- that way they'll have to work together to decide who to show the door...
I love it! Or how about me and LJ? My, my the sparks would fly!
MaggieL Goddess
Wolf sub Goddess
xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoBruce
Slang
Elspode
Rocksteady
And any body else you can think of 'cept ME!!!
MaggieL Goddess
Wolf sub Goddess
xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoBruce
Slang
Elspode
Rocksteady
And any body else you can think of 'cept ME!!!
calling wolf a sub Goddess and placing her in a subordinate position (
especially to the one you've got above her) is a crime.
I'm happy to help anyway I can if UT has the patience to train me.:haha:
I'm happy to help anyway I can if UT has the patience to train me.:haha:
If you get the right harness, maybe Brianna will instead.:spank:
I nominate Kagen.
aaawwwwww thanks, i dont know what to say :thepain3: im just so happy :mecry:
(insert oscar speech here)
HEY!!! since when did i reach 1000 posts?? why didnt anyone tell me? i look like one of the big shots now!
HEY!!! since when did i reach 1000 posts??
49 posts ago. :-)
calling wolf a sub Goddess...
Wolf is a more consistent Dwellar than I; I've tend to wander in and out over the years.
aaawwwwww thanks, i dont know what to say :thepain3: im just so happy :mecry:
(insert oscar speech here)
Kagen!!!!!!
rah-rah! :notworthy
Kagen! Kagen! Whoop, whoop, rah, rah! I :joylove: love the aussies!
I think Tonchi's idea of a sub board for any thing weird just for mods sounds reasonable ,
Holly sheep dip !!!! I went over 2K !!!!!
Kagen! Kagen! Whoop, whoop, rah, rah! I :joylove: love some of the aussies!
Fixed :)
:cool: oh yeah...im feelin it
I'll vote for BigV, Spode, Kitsune, RL, wolf, RockSteady & Bruce...
Fixed :)
Nah, I love ALL you Aussies! What's a minor tiff between friends? ;)
I know from personal experience that bruce would make an excellent DH for choosing IOTDs.
calling wolf a sub Goddess and placing her in a subordinate position (especially to the one you've got above her) is a crime.
There are many areas in which I bow to Maggie's expertise. Don't diss her, even in support of me. She's been around this place longer than I have.
Don't diss her, even in support of me.
Brianna's still torqued off about the lip I gave her about the credit card lawsuit.
Brianna's still torqued off about the lip I gave her about the credit card lawsuit.
Not at all. I just think you're a bitch.
I just think you're a bitch
!!! Oh No You Di'n't !!!
It must be :heart-on: month at the cellar. i'll be glad when it's over.
I nominate everyone from Audiogalaxy.
If someone thinks I can be of some use, I'd be happy to help. If not, that's all good, too. I've moderated lists many times over the years. It isn't always a lot of fun.
That said, when is this going to start? I might not be exactly in the loop for a couple more weeks yet.
Oh, yeah...I almost forgot. I think Bruce, Wolf, BigV and Cyclefrance are obvious choices. I'd give Kagen a shot for the Southern Hemisphere.
Separated at birth?!
If nominated, I will not run to the liquor store for some Scotch. If elected, I will not serve quiche. Sure, I accept.
If nominated, I will not run; if elected, I will not serve.
I nominate everyone from Audiogalaxy.
I second that nomination. :D
V, that was a different election. I will not stand for my opponents slandering me by quoting my own written words back at me in writing. That kind of thing is just un-American.
Remember folks, this is just the nomination thread and there will be another thread for voting.
Nominees should accept or reject their nominations by saying something that I can decipher, such as "I accept this nomination" or "I reject this nomination." Just saying "Whoo-hoo!! I'm popular!!", it's not clear whether you are actually accpeting the nomination, or are just happy with life in general.
That kind of thing is just un-American
One time, on Audiogalaxy, this guy said that Bill Maher was un-American, and I said that I thought calling people un-Amercian was un-American, and he said that I couldn't call him un-American because I said that saying people are un-American was un-American, but I said I could because I was just using his own words against him, and like a whole day later we were still going around in circles (mostly me making brief, concise statements and him posting long, angry rants in response) and eventually he went into all-caps mode. So, basically I "won" because he had to resort to all-caps.
So . . . that's why I shouldn't be a moderator.
One time, on Audiogalaxy,
One time, at Band Camp..... :)
Flint...it is un-American not to want to be a moderator.
Flint...it is un-American not to want to be a moderator.
Oh, I didn't say I don't want to be a moderator. In fact, of all the things I've never said, I didn't mean that the most.
One time, on Audiogalaxy, this guy said that Bill Maher was un-American, and I said that I thought calling people un-Amercian was un-American, and he said that I couldn't call him un-American because I said that saying people are un-American was un-American, but I said I could because I was just using his own words against him, and like a whole day later we were still going around in circles (mostly me making brief, concise statements and him posting long, angry rants in response) and eventually he went into all-caps mode. So, basically I "won" because he had to resort to all-caps.
So . . . that's why I shouldn't be a moderator.
Anyone who wonders about you should just read this one post, rather than going through the other 528 of them. It gets right to the point.
Anyone who wonders about you should just read this one post, rather than going through the other 528 of them. It gets right to the point.
Yes, that's the joke.
I should have put a smilie in there. I got the joke.
I got the joke.
I know, I was just joking.
You're just hoping I start typing in ALL CAPS!
It's over my head.
Originally Posted by glatt
Anyone who wonders about you should just read this one post, rather than going through the other 528 of them. It gets right to the point.
Originally Posted by flint
Yes, that's the joke.
.........so I'm still not getting the joke.
To get this back on track,
Undertoad, there have been a lot of suggestions about having moderators in different time zones. One in North America, one in Australia, and one in Europe. Do you have any thoughts on this?
moderators in different time zones
This is a good idea, but remember that nocturnal or insomniac moderators can also cover different time zones.
So far the place has done well with one extremely active mod with a fiber connection who refreshes the entire board every 10 minutes and sleeps intermittently.
In the future, it will have to make do with two mods who are less active. So if coverage time is important to you, ask mods about their level of activity and responsibility, and vote accordingly.
V, that was a different election. I will not stand for my opponents slandering me by quoting my own written words back at me in writing. That kind of thing is just un-American.
[/donald rumsfeld]
:lol:
I somehow doubt that a response time on moderation that exceeded even 24-48 hours would be a big deal. "Follow the sun" moderation coverage may be overkill.
Not at all. I just think you're a bitch.
See? :-)
I think Bruce would be great, but thats coz I'm secretly in love with him :blush:
actually, everybody who has been seconded would be great :D
Is being a moderator at Cellar.org something that would look good on a resume?
I wouldn't put it. The last thing I'd want is a potential employer coming here and trying to figure out "which one of those sickos just applied for a job with us"? :angel:
Speak for yourself. I'm going to make creator of cellar.org the centerpiece of my resume.
I'd hire you.
Of course, I have no hiring power and no money, but I'd hire you.
My ability to access The Cellar during work varies wildly, but I tend to be online during the remainder of my waking hours (mostly the dark ones) ... unless my schedule gets flipped and then it takes me some time to catch up.
I think I gracefully accepted the nomination already, but that was PAGES earlier in this increasingly lengthy thread.
Speak for yourself. I'm going to make creator of cellar.org the centerpiece of my resume.
fork it! im going to put it on my resume! how the hell would the employer know if im not??
thanks UT for paying for my future. ill by you a beer some time
fork it! im going to put it on my resume! how the hell would the employer know if im not??
thanks UT for paying for my future. ill by you a beer some time
Better spelling [or typing as the case may be] would probably impress an employer more. ;)
Better spelling [or typing as the case may be] would probably impress an employer more. ;)
Name: Kagen 4o4
Address: Great southern land
Contact Number: 4
Experience:
Forking Hire me biatch me made the flippin' Cellar :yelgreedy . Get all up in thar to see hows good i am.
References:
dar "the jerk" 512
Sounds like you're a shoo in......... unless they want someone that speaks English. :eyebrow:
Hey. Kagen can speak, whales, Welsh, AND AUSSIE! Who needs English?
english is an overrated language anyway.
I speak southern, and with the current government that's a plus... Well, its a plus as in I can understand him, though honestly I think I'd rather not.
So accepting the nomination are xoxoxoBruce, Wolf, SteveDallas, BigV and Kagen404. Any last-minute acceptances?
I nominate everyone from Audiogalaxy.
I second that nomination.
Nominees should accept or reject their nominations by saying something that I can decipher, such as "I accept this nomination" or "I reject this nomination."
Flint...it is un-American not to want to be a moderator.
Oh, I didn't say I don't want to be a moderator. In fact, of all the things I've never said, I didn't mean that the most.
Is that decipherable? :::bans self:::
In order for "everyone from Audiogalaxy" to be accepted as a nomination, "everyone from Audiogalaxy" would have to accept it. Not just yourself, but everyone.
In order for "everyone from Audiogalaxy" to be accepted as a nomination, "everyone from Audiogalaxy" would have to accept it. Not just yourself, but everyone.
Oh ya? Well, uh, ya. Damn. You're good.
Too good. Let's see here, hmmm . . .
. . . okay, that's it, I've checked with everybody and they said go ahead with it!
Well that would require a rules change. But Robert's Rules of Order specifically states that if proxy voting is to be used, that must be determined very early in the process. Otherwise, a voter can call for proxies at the last minute to effect the result. It's very strict about proxies.
Robert's Rules? Robert's Rules "hate freedom" . . .
UT, Does Robert's Rules say anything about disqualification from being nominated?
No it only covers how meetings operate in general, how deliberative bodies deliberate, that sort of thing.
I accept if it is possible to do a good job without consistent email access. If not, then I think there's already a pretty good pool of nominees.
How do deliberative bodies deliberate? Deliberately.
I accepted, but did admit that I would be largely unavailable to do a good job for a couple of weeks, so I should probably continue to be left off the list. There's plenty of good ones there anyway.
I really don't think you need the email prompting; one could just get away with deleting spam on reading the new posts, and still be a good mod. We're not that deluged (yet)
Sorry El, I didn't mean to miss your acceptance.
No offense taken. If I wasn't going to be gone to festival/funeral for the next ten or twelve days, I'd love to participate. It was an honor to be nominated.
UT:
Don't take him off the ballot, I'm gonna vote for him. We can hold our breath for 12 days. Small price to pay.
I would be happy to serve as a substitute when needed.
If somebody is going to be offline for a while they could let me know and I would be happy to fill in for them.
So accepting the nomination are xoxoxoBruce, Wolf, SteveDallas, BigV and Kagen404. Any last-minute acceptances?
I accepted.
Man why am I not seeing these acceptances, sorry Rich.
Otherwise, a voter can call for proxies at the last minute to effect the result.
"Affect" :-)
Man why am I not seeing these acceptances, sorry Rich.
To many people acting like drummers.:eyebrow:
Quick moderation question ... UT, do you prefer hard or soft deletes for stuff, or is it type-dependent?
I missed this thread the first time around. Was there a poll thread to vote on the nominations? Who won? Don't you folks have a mod-only forum?
At another site, we had problems with cross posting to "the red board". Most of the mods were also mods elsewhere and compared IP addys across these sites to ID trouble makers. It nice that The Cellar doesn't have that level of problems.
Here the main thing is to delete drive-by threads advertising other web sites.
The moderator voting thread is sticky at the top of Cellar Meta.
There is now a moderator-only forum for questions like this and, I expect, not much else.
wow, so that is where the cool kids have been hanging out lately.