Talk about the Marichiko ban here
I'm ready to take my lumps for it. But please.
AFAIC I would have banned her if she'd made any similar threat to any of you. Frankly I was more than a little alarmed at her threatening AG people that THEY would be banned. As if their behaviour was bannable - it never was. I can't say that enough.
Oh hey, the other aspect of this is - when people tell me to ban them, I certainly will. I'm getting to feel more strongly about that.
It's a game to them at that point, and they want me to ban them to make a point. What that point is, exactly, I'm not sure, but I'm happy to help them make it.
I don't know what she's been doing recently, but there's been an awful lot of bad blood between her and several Dwellars, notably UT and LJ. And some of you just egg her on...why?
I'm not here to defend her in this case. Granted, I can see getting some fun out of giving her shit for a while, but that shit's been going on for what? Over a year now? It's like trying to battle Radar or tw...what's the point? You'll be slinging shit, but accomplishing nothing.
I've been having a rather full week and wasn't able to participate in the ongoing discussion(s) involving Mari, but I do get the reasons for banning her, and am in agreement.
Her line of bullshit was getting deeper and deeper, culminating in that final screed that made my eyes bleed.
I hesitate to even comment, as I have been here for a pooftenths amount of time and have no clue about the history, but then I feel that if I want to be a long term member, I should get involved with bad as well as the good.
I will say that its been interesting watching this unfold. Its like the bad film that you arent enjoying, but you cant not watch it!
To me, a noob, it did kinda seem that there wasnt going to be a win/win solution here, as it appeared the old history was just going to be linked to continuously and thrown in everyone's face.
That said, another forum I am a member of has a Mari character and she seems to LOVE the conflict....thrives on it. I dont know Mari well enough to know this is correct, but it did seem that way :)
You are very perceptive, ducksnuts.
There are people who thrive on conflict and those who don't back down from it. I do not know enough of the dealings to say... but if she did thrive on conflict why give her more of it? Throwing more fuel on the fire which, sadly, reminds me of a different forum I no longer visit.
Your choics UT , this IS your sand box after all ,
Like LJ I beleve some of her postes are BS , ( I don't know if she is just playing games because she ain't got any thing better to do , or if she just gets off on the conflict , or deep down she beleves what she is saying ) ???
But it is a filler ,
Over all I don't object to her postes ,
I just read what I want and Ignore the rest .
Just my 2 cents .
Originally Posted by Undertoad
"It's a game to them at that point, and they want me to ban them to make a point. What that point is, exactly, I'm not sure, but I'm happy to help them make it."
From her last post, I would appraise the situation as ...
Suicide by Undertoad !
Why? Chalk it up to a defect in affect. You did what you had to do. :ipray:
I'm lazy and stupid...could someone please direct me to the salient sequence of postings that resulted in this ban?
I never had any more problem with Mari than I ever had with Dave, TW, Radar, LJ (at times), etc, but that's me. I tend to be a fairly easy to get along with person as long as you aren't part of a faceless government entity.
boom , boom , boom
Another one bites the dust !
I'm lazy and stupid...could someone please direct me to the salient sequence of postings that resulted in this ban?
I never had any more problem with Mari than I ever had with Dave, TW, Radar, LJ (at times), etc, but that's me. I tend to be a fairly easy to get along with person as long as you aren't part of a faceless government entity.
It's not really worth reading, but the last pig fight was here:
Marichiko smokes cigarettes
http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=10607
The final sucide post was at the end of this:
Why am I constantly eating?
http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=10576
Anyone that posts in large red font should immediately get the axe. UT, you are right, if someone gets so angry as to ask for banning, you gotta do it.
Ah...thanks, RS. I see what's happened, now. Interesting to note that the entire demeanor of that thread which contained the "suicide post" has also driven a couple of the new AG folks to each other's throats.
All I'm going to opine is this: Mari has a streak of drama queen, that is true. It is also true that she's had more than a little bit of being poked with sticks to see how frenzied she might get.
I'm curious as to why the various woes and tribulations that I have posted over the years are more believeable or less suspect than the things that Mari has shared with us.
How come LJ and UT don't call me out? What if I'm just more cunning and expressive than Mari, or more likeable in print?
I could be a sociopath for all The Cellar knows, fabricating bullshit for my own masturbatory entertainment. I'm not, but I could be.
So why not drag my woes out kicking and screaming into the light of reason and reality?
I thought it was weird that someone that would be so argumentatitive would make available so much information about herself. Her personal website with pics and semi-private life info. Just asking for trouble.
I don't know the history, and I'm not interested (not trying to be rude either), but I wouldn't have banned her. Message boards need wackjobs.
Call me gullible, but I think that the fact that Mari *did* throw out so much intimate information, despite the apparent inherent hypocrisies which have been pointed out, demonstrates a willingness to be *real* with us here on The Cellar.
Reality sucks for the most part...but let he/she who is without hypocrisy or denial throw the first pack of smokes.
Elspode - I agree with everything you are saying here.
She wanted to be loved. She needed to be hated. A terminal situation. By repeatedly creating situations which provoked attacks, she was able to get abuse from her attackers and love from her defenders.
Her last thread (Mari is a jerk) was the final act. She attacks herself to provoke a final outpouring of affection from her defenders, a final death knell from her attackers and depart having set the stage for armageddon between the two groups at her funeral. In a true armageddon, there are no survivors. I think that's how she wanted it. In the end, it was always about Mari and I suspect the thought that the Cellar could get along without her was both unbearable and irresistable and therefore inevitable.
We were all getting played.
You can't get played unless you present the strings for the use of someone else.
I don't feel like I've done that. Do you?
Is Mari a Drama Queen? Nah. But she could easily play one on TV. But then so could I. And I have, I think. I'd have to do an old post search to be sure.
Most of us here on The Cellar have the luxury of being squarely in the Middle Class, warmly rocked in the comfort of our mortgages, car payments and Nine to Fives. Mari has never been part of that, and she's always been pretty square about telling us so.
I've posted openly and honestly about financial troubles...so has UT (remember the divorce/house value situation?). I've talked about being a heart bypass patient who hasn't the sense to stick to a strict diabetic/coronary dietary regeime. I've talked about having my kids running amok, I've written "poetry" about existential/romantic angst...
Why am I not being stretched on the rack the same as Mari? I'm not defending her...I'm asking why the same criteria isn't being appliled to *everyone* who bares their lives in the name of support and Cellar Reality.
Call me gullible, but I think that the fact that Mari *did* throw out so much intimate information, despite the apparent inherent hypocrisies which have been pointed out, demonstrates a willingness to be *real* with us here on The Cellar.
I figure she was being about as real as she could be. I'm not sure she was ready to acknowlege that her reality was heavily fabricated not just for our consumption but for her own as well. I'm no good at sifting for the "truth" in situations like this, so I go with my fallback anti-ban position.
I think that people who get banned do it to themselves. I've seen it many times over the years, and I know UT has seen it more than I.
I have to disagree with this one. Yeah, I know...I suck.
I just think it's funnier not to ban; for all of us, in the long run.
She wanted to be loved. She needed to be hated. A terminal situation. By repeatedly creating situations which provoked attacks, she was able to get abuse from her attackers and love from her defenders.
Her last thread (Mari is a jerk) was the final act. She attacks herself to provoke a final outpouring of affection from her defenders, a final death knell from her attackers and depart having set the stage for armageddon between the two groups at her funeral. In a true armageddon, there are no survivors. I think that's how she wanted it. In the end, it was always about Mari and I suspect the thought that the Cellar could get along without her was both unbearable and irresistable and therefore inevitable.
We were all getting played.
Excellent insight. A lot of the above posts are chock-full of insighty-goodness. I see your point, Els, and I, too, have set myself up for Drama Queen Ridicule, told too much about myself, etc. I'm trying hard not to throw stones at Mari right now but she did sort of ask for attacks all the time. Her whole 'poor-me' story is so damn suspect--she claims abject poverty on the one hand and then buys a purebred puppy on the other. She was
constantly doing this sort of schizophrenic thing. One second she is starving to death in America, the next she is buying the same brand cigarette as Brangelina and Dave Chappelle. She obviously has a car and a computer AND internet service. So many things just don't add up. Personally, I never did buy her claim to disability, but, as she is so quick to point out, I'm not a
doctor or
federal judge so what could I possibly know? Well, I know shit when I smell it. She is a con artist but she asks us to overlook that and swallow her BS whole. Didn't Mari's PoorPitiful Me story run in her local paper resulting in huge donations pouring in for her? I recall someone saying that. AND the very simple, heavily documented fact that she claims the Axe Murderer Ex-Boyfriend of hers stole 23,000$--
now, come on! Am I supposed to believe that a formerly homeless woman with a crippling disability just happened to save 23,000$ Smells like the good ol' American Charity Spirit bailed her out, doesn't it? Whatever, I say. As so many of the recent nooby Pep Squad have said, "Live and let live!" Eh. It's over-rated.
spode, you keep asking why you aren't subject to the same treatment as she?
I thought we had covered this. here are the reasons:
1. you're telling the truth
2. you're not posting in every thread about how your experience relates to said topic and spinning it in a poor me kind of a way
3. you're a very good writer, and most of your personal posts are compelling.
4. you have no history of lies, plagarism or excessive drama
is that the kind of positive affirmation you seek?
I don't recall ever taking a poke at you, Pat, but apparently you've had some issue with me. I can appreciate that, and understand it. I'm a bit rough at times, and as you are a compassionate sort, I get it that I may have offended your sensibilities. And I actually care about that, and apologize.
It occurs to me that when I roast someone, there is a bit of collateral damage done to those who see some of the 'victim' in themselves. So....i extend the same apology to all of you who I've nicked whilst flaming mari.
I have too short a memory to sustain anonymous feuds online.
$10 says she comes back in a new incarnation from a new IP after her move.
Funner not to ban, Steve, of course, I agree 100%.
Until you are the subject of personal threats. That's not fun at all. I don't play that shit.
Neither do you - your reaction is to stop posting personal information. That's your prerog, but IMO people need to be free to post whatever they like. Without thinking it's gonna come back and bite them in the ass or something.
LJ, I am most definitely *not* aligning myself against you in any way. You know your proclivities and you freely acknowledge them. I am also not seeking any free passes or otherwise looking for positive jerking off.
All I'm attempting to communicate is this: Perhaps Mari has issues, but demonizing her because her issues are *obvious*, instead of well-couched, seems to me to be a bit unfair.
I *know* from poor. I know that it is possible for a person on a limited income to be shit poor, yet be able to indulge themselves on occasion (my son buys a couple of DVD's a month and drinks Pepsi one-liters very freely, but he's on Social Security Disability and receives food stamps...shall we have him investigated?)
One of the hardest things to do in this country is to get on Social Security Disability in the first place. If Mari is on it, it isn't because she's scamming the system. She's on it because she went through a process...a very goddamn strenuous process, satisfying numerous criteria, visiting multiple physicians who evaluated her and signed off on the paperwork. *I've* put my son through this process, and it was a motherfucker. I'm guessing that you haven't had to do this for someone, let alone someone you love. It sucks.
If you're going to criticize Mari for buying premium cigs while on disability, then you need to toss a stone at my kid for his profligacy in the DVD section.
All of this is probably moot, though, as I don't think you buy the notion of her being disabled in the first place, so anything else that follows is a waste of breath.
I would only ask that you put yourself in the place of someone who *does* have a disability, in particular, a cognitive disability, which can be insidious and not altogether obvious at first blush - especially in an online situation.
And, just so I'm not seeming to be altogether biased...Mari could also shoot herself in the feet a bit less from time to time.
UT, what was the threat? I think i missed it? she dared you to ban her, but i don't see a threat. she threatened me personally once via pm, though. i'll see if i can find it.
"ban me so I won't bring up any more uncomfortable things for you", when the opener was illegal matters to start. I don't think she has anything on me and was not that uncomfortable to begin with. But I will not take that kind of threat lightly against myself or anyone else. That shit simply doesn't fly.
Y'all shoulda seen the personal anonymous threats directed against a known Cellarite here a few weeks ago. Turned me pale. Included shots of someone who was beaten up. You didn't see them because I deleted them. More fun NOT to delete them? Shyeah, I GUESS.
Mari posted photos of a beating in order to threaten someone here on The Cellar? Yow. If true, that would certainly change my point of view.
It wasn't Mari, it was someone anonymous.
"ban me so I won't bring up any more uncomfortable things for you", when the opener was illegal matters to start. I don't think she has anything on me and was not that uncomfortable to begin with. But I will not take that kind of threat lightly against myself or anyone else. That shit simply doesn't fly.
That wasn't a threat. She was talking about the health effects of weed vs tobacco.
Ah...I see.
I'm going to have to just step back from this whole thing, as I'm actually having trouble being objective. I didn't really see anything from Mari that would merit such a comparison, and since I hold your judgement to be unusually just and reasonable, it is better that I stop batting this issue around.
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One question, what's AG? Another site? Forum?
Y'all shoulda seen the personal anonymous threats directed against a known Cellarite here a few weeks ago. Turned me pale. Included shots of someone who was beaten up. You didn't see them because I deleted them. More fun NOT to delete them? Shyeah, I GUESS.
Yikes! Thanks for the vigilance.
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One question, what's AG? Another site? Forum?
AudioGalaxy, a board dedicated to file sharing, which apparently folded, which for some reason resulted in a whole bunch of refugees washing up here on the shores of The Cellar.
Now that the wheat has been pretty much sorted from the chaff, it has actually been rather a good thing (Patrick waves and smiles at our new members who were able to survive the Inquisition and stayed around to become substantive contributors).
Not to minimize the importance of the Cellar, but in the grand scheme of things, it's just a Goddamned message board. I know we can get to know people fairly well here...but it's only a sliver of a person, really. Even if we are acting as real as possible here, we don't really know each other. And I know that I've gotten into my share of flamefests...and they were pretty fucking stupid. There was really no point to them.
Anyway, let me get to my point...I think it's stupid to be a dummy on a message board. There are so many better things to do...like smoking weed. :)
Ah, then I'm with ya, UT. F her.
Have a good day all, I'm off to the Tribeca Film Festival.
That wasn't a threat. She was talking about the health effects of weed vs tobacco.
Actually at that point she was talking about her original ban.
When I see people rummaging around in their handbag for the most damaging thing they have at hand, I don't wait around to see whether it's a gun.
Not to minimize the importance of the Cellar, but in the grand scheme of things, it's just a Goddamned message board. I know we can get to know people fairly well here...but it's only a sliver of a person, really. Even if we are acting as real as possible here, we don't really know each other. And I know that I've gotten into my share of flamefests...and they were pretty fucking stupid. There was really no point to them.
Anyway, let me get to my point...I think it's stupid to be a dummy on a message board. There are so many better things to do...like smoking weed. :)
GOOD POST SYCAMORE
We need 'How not to be dummy rules' posted.
well I need um anyway. In fact that should be my personal user tag. ' message board dummy'
or sumpin.
[edited spelling-sorry it sucks so bad]
AudioGalaxy, a board dedicated to file sharing, which apparently folded
Ok thanks! Carry on.
I (obviously) found it very frustrating to converse, debate, argue, co-exist, with Mari because she was not constrained by truth or reality. It was not a welfare* issue, or what I thought people on welfare should be buying with their money - it was Mari's posting style, her habit of fabricating whatever bullshit argument she needed to come out on top. And if someone who is not adverse to making shit up threatens to make you uncomfortable, I think concern is valid.
Elspode, I'm not sure why you're comparing your son buying dvd's to Mari's endless string of absurd claims. I think you'll just need to rest assured that if someone had an issue with you or your son, they'd let you know.
I realize this kinda shit is no fun for anyone and I apologize for my role in it.
*or any other assistance program
Might I also add, I've been the subject of a few rather obvious "phishing expeditions" recently. And so has my mom, because one or two 25-year-old personal details about me are still published with her address attached to them. So if I'm on a hair trigger for threats...
Nothing makes me want to give this up more than that. Syc's right; the "this is just a message board" aspect swings many ways. One of them is "it's just a message board so why ban people?" Another is "it's just a message board so why do it at all, if you'll be threatened for it?"
I have no idea what any of this is about, so therefore please leave me the fuck out of it.
.... AND the very simple, heavily documented fact that she claims the Axe Murderer Ex-Boyfriend of hers stole 23,000$--now, come on! Am I supposed to believe that a formerly homeless woman with a crippling disability just happened to save 23,000$ ...
As she told it, she did once have a reasonable job, a comfortable home*, and could therefore have had the savings. The homelessness and disability came later ...
I'm with Elspode and RockSteady on this - sometimes she was asking for trouble, some of her posts were insightful, some were full of shit. A while ago I was vaguely acquainted with her on another board - FWIW the story told here was consistent with and consecutive to the one told there. However, UT, it
is your sandpit ...
* Perhaps I got these bits from the other board ...?
no, there was a homeless period in between.
i've said it before. there are no wheelchairs online. i dont have a problem with her getting assistance. i had a problem with her lies and grandeose (sp?) airs that she put on. the superiority based in her inferiority.
I never ever posted threatening or wierd pics. That is an absolutely outrageous accusation! I certainly won't come back here after that. I was mad that Clodfobble claimed I wasn't banned the first time around and, at the time UT, seemed to want to pretend that he hadn't banned me. That's all I meant. I know nothing about UT to get him in trouble over.
I came back on this board and I didn't post about wierd stuff, but people couldn't resist throwing shit in my face. One reason I'm on disability is that I have severe PTSD and its very easy for me to get triggered, so I make an easy mark that way.
The $23,000 was from my disability back pay. I was able to buy a used car with it, and my ex made off with a considerable portion of the rest.
The only other boards I post on frequently are my support groups. I am troubled if Limey and/or Ducksnuts are or were members of those boards and would post here about what was posted on a private recovery board. How would you feel if I did that to you? That is just wrong!
The only thing I posted about the AG people was that maybe it was time to get out the fly swatter. Fargon wanted to "eat them," and Beestie pretended to take up a collection to get rid of them. Patrick said their board died of a meth overdose. My comment was hardly that terrible and others here shared that sentiment at the beginning.
UT was the one who went after me with his "Marichiko smokes cigarettes" thread. That was simply mean spirited, and it seemed to me that since he owns the board and obviously dislikes me so much, he should have just banned me which he has done.
I can see that certain people here refuse to beleive me and you wouldn't beleive me if I posted my medical records or the Federal Judge's ruling. Why should I open up my life to further attack just for an Internet group?
The newspaper article was written by an award winning journalist who checked my story thoroughly before printing it. She called my doctors and the people involved in the story and spoke with them personally.
UT's accusation is the worst slander I have ever heard. It is my understanding that those nasty posts were traced to an ISP in France or something, at least according to the person they were directed at who was a friend on this board. I'm a techno tard. I don't know how to make my isp look like it comes from anywhere else than where I am.
Its beyond me why LJ and UT hate me so much. UT could easily have dispelled the Flippant/Atropos thing by tracing the ISP's there, as well. I have a whole slew of PM's from and to Flippant. Why would I send PM's to myself? Why would I lie about my story?
I had a good job and then I became ill and ran through my savings and had to go on disability. What's so amazing about that? I find it ironic that my refusal to lie or be anything other than myself has convinced people I'm a liar.
UT and LJ and others poked at me and poked at me until I finally lost it. Now UT has done the final nasty slur by implying that I sent threatening messages anonymously to the board. If anyone here is the liar. Its UT.
I have to congratulate the members of The Cellar on the generally small amount of pig fighting here. I'm a mod on another forum where pig fighting of the LJ/Mari variety was a daily activity for years. Now, the forum has almosted disappeared thru lack of posts. It's hard for a mod to decide what is best for the group. If you let pig fighting go on too long, the nicer people will disappear from the forum.
At least UT had the stomach to do it himself. At this other place the owner made one of the fighters a mod and went out of town for a few days, let someone else do his dirty work. The new mod was so unstable that a month later he banned himself.
The new mod was so unstable that a month later he banned himself.
That is TOOOO FUNNY !!!!
I just read
marichiko's suicide post.
BAN
Her post as "Buddha" above does not dissuade me at all.
The new mod was so unstable that a month later he banned himself.
I assume you're referring to the other board we have in common? Yeah...that was nuts.
I just read marichiko's suicide post.
BAN
Her post as "Buddha" above does not dissuade me at all.
There, you see? It pointless. You can't fight the herd mentality.
Bye now.
I assume you're referring to the other board we have in common? Yeah...that was nuts.
Yes.
In that case, the Mari character was a successful high-income CFO. She and the owner were co-dependent fighters. The ambush and ban played out similarly.
Now that there are about 5 posts/day, there's no more fighting.
Congratulations on your long, hard fought victory, LJ.
I've accepted the fact that [COLOR=blue]maristinkigchiko is a member of this community. It's her right[/COLOR], in my opinion. I have zero respect for her, and her opinions mean shit to me because i believe she fabricates her entire persona. Who knows, if she was honest about who she really was, i might even like her.
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One question, what's AG? Another site? Forum?
**thank you** sheesh. leave for forty days and I become a noob again. unless this is my second childhood... :eyebrow:
This all looks wrong to me. How often do we complain about how others act and yet are no better ourselves? Maybe Mari was digging up past events, but there were plenty of others doing the same. And before someone shouts 'well 'x' started it' - in such arguments that cause people to recall history, it's almost impossible to define the start.
If there was a threat from Mari to UT then in my view it was vapour and a thing of the moment. I can't see a crime, especially when the argument has reached such proportions of emotion that the words are not said for what they mean but from a frustration that forces the writer to say them - that's been happening from a number of sides in the offending thread.
Seems to me that banning is not the solution. From the way this reads to me I would find it impossible to point the finger in any one specific direction. Certainly I could not point it in Mari's based on events in the offending thread. What IS the solution? Everyone accepting (reluctantly and with some difficulty I suspect at such an emotional stage) to stop the thread and take 24 hours out to calm down would be a good move. Back this up by the threat of a ban if any party then afterwards continued to dredge on what should now be considered closed would then IMO be appropriate.
Sorry UT, but I have to say that this looks to be the wrong move IMO - it smacks of a gut reaction - the depth of emotion and long-held hard feelings evoked in the offending thread aren't solved by the remedy and deserve a better result.
(I've editted ' this thread' to 'the offending thread' - apologies for the intital error)
Blah blah blah, beyond all the discussion and spite, he's gonna ban whoever he wants and this will remain a "watch what you say" messageboard like untold thousands of others.
Lying and snark are fine reasons not to like somebody, but shitty reasons to censor them permanently. Any such acts without REAL justification (and come on, what she said wasn't threatening) just reek of an abuse of power.
The same goes for me. If I don't like it, I can leave. After this I most likely will.
There are a lot of shitheels on the internet, big surprise. But if you can't deal with them like an adult, then you're a bully with a big stick, and that doesn't fly with me.
Mari, I am referring to the ivillage Guy Talk board. That is the only other place I have seen you online.
... Lying and snark are fine reasons not to like somebody, but shitty reasons to censor them permanently. Any such acts without REAL justification (and come on, what she said wasn't threatening) just reek of an abuse of power. ...
You're right. But as a mod, you get to a point where the pig fighting is just so high that you have to ban someone. Like a team, fire the coach or trade the star. Whatever you can do.
As visitors to this board, we entrust UT to moderate the board as best as he can. I don't always agree with his decisions, but in general, I think he's very fair and tolerant. And I have no need or desire to kiss his ass.
This is only the second "questionable" ban I've seen in 5 years here...that's a pretty good track record.
JUST BECAUSE IT'S FREE DOESN'T MEAN IT'S PUBLIC PROPERTY.
this is privately owned board. there is one owner. think of it as a party. if you are at a party, and the host throws an obnoxious guest out of the house, do you leave the party? i don't
rock on tony.
Thank you Limey. That leaves Ducksnuts as the traitor. I am simply stunned that she could post about what happened on that support board. What a betrayal on HER part. If I find out who she is I will report her to the mods of the other board.
I admit that I was out of line to post in big red letters as I did and I apologize for that.
LJ has tried to run me off this board countless times, and I don't see why he can't be honest about that. He has posted that in so many words in other threads.
see, i'd threaten to chase you away again, but I don't think I have the free time that needs to be applied to that endeavor. And it didn't take the last time we did it, so....
instead it think I'll just put it before the collective to keep in mind that you are apparently compulsive in your lying, and hope that they won't fall for them. yet, someone needs to clue the newbies in from time to time. Would someone with a little free time link some previous lies for the newbies to enjoy? that way we can just link this thread if the topic comes up again......or should i stay up late tonight and start a 'Marichiko Lies" thread?
I also don't see why UT can't be honest about having banned me once before, nor do I understand why he should insinuate that I flamed the board with threats or nasty pictures. I have a sharp tongue at times, but I don't threaten people with harm or anything like that.
LJ contributes heavily to the Cellar and money obviously talks.
I have no idea why people accuse me of being inconsistent. I have always stated the truth about my circumstances and never been anyone on this board other than Buddha and Mari-not-welcome (as Clodfobble reminded me) for a total of one post. The user name Mari-not-welcome hardly left much doubt who I was.
I didn't start the thread "Marichiko Smokes." LJ accused me of being a liar in the "Why Can't I stop eating thread?" thread. He accused me of being a plagarist in the "Similes" thread when in fact I gave the link to the site and commented that I wished I could take credit for the writing I had edited down and reposted from there.
I didn't start any of this stuff. It was UT and LJ and his faithful wife Jinx and a few others who started posting nasty things at me. Anyone would get fed up if they are constantly accused of being a liar.
I don't have the faintest idea of what Rock Steady is talking about when he refers to a "Mari character" who was a CEO or something on some other board. I was supportive of Gwen/Rocky Steady. His posts on this board have now made me re-think my attitude toward cross-gendered folks. I guess people who can be doubles on one level don't have a problem being doubles on other levels.
I'm not a double or a liar. My name is Monica Wilson. My phone number is 719-685-9385. I live in the town of Manitou Springs, Colorado. I will soon be moving to Mancos, Colorado in a few days. If anyone has any questions, feel free to call me.
I'm lazy and stupid...could someone please direct me to the salient sequence of postings that resulted in this ban?
I never had any more problem with Mari than I ever had with Dave, TW, Radar, LJ (at times), etc, but that's me. I tend to be a fairly easy to get along with person as long as you aren't part of a faceless government entity.
Same here. I don't find her any more opinionated than some others on this board. I did see some mutual flaming between her and a few long-time members, but nothing too far beyond the norm.
.. I don't have the faintest idea of what Rock Steady is talking about when he refers to a "Mari character" who was a CEO or something on some other board. ....
I was just saying the same thing happened to another friend of mine. A bash thread was started, half a dozen people fought with her, and she got banned. The UT character was JR, the LJ character was NW, and the Mari character was WW. Same play, different actors. This is one of the thing that happens at forums.
UT, you really suck at banning people. We would do a more thorough job than this. At the other place we had multiple mods across several timezones. This is not a good time for you to be asleep at the wheel.
I just read marichiko's suicide post.
BAN
Her post as "Buddha" above does not dissuade me at all.
Ah, now I see. This is what I get for not checking in regularly.
Mari, that was over the top.
jeez, you guys make AG look like 'happy families'.....
.... and I agree with Rocks Teddy..... if you're gonna ban someone, do it properly......
fuck you bruce.
You're welcome to try, speaker salesman. Think you can get Tony to set it up for you again? :eyebrow:
You're welcome to try, speaker salesman. Think you can get Tony to set it up for you again? :eyebrow:
sorry, bruce. you know i love you.
but....get tony to set
what up for me again?
speaker salesman?
you mean from when i was 18 and had a shitty job for 2 weeks?
After a great deal of soul searching I am unbanning Marichiko. Have at it.
...... but am banning Buddha....
(swings and roundabouts - keeps the universe in balance)
If you think Mari was responsible for posting those pictures of me (now I know what google cache could not show me ... I wish you had told me of that when the spamming first happened) it is most certainly not her.
LJ has tried to run me off this board countless times, and I don't see why he can't be honest about that. He has posted that in so many words in other threads.
yeah, i tried, and it didn't take. so i gave up. its funny to me that [some]people's perception is that i hate you and want you to be banned. i dont hate you. really, i don't. why would i? what have you ever done to me? i just can't tolerate certain things without calling you out on them.
the dynamite/road flares in the dead guys wood shed
the simile post which you posted as yourself until you woke up and realized you might get busted, and quickly copped to stealing it.
etfriggingcetera
whatever. welcome back.
now shut the fuck up
mari was banned?
wtf. and i thought i knew what was going on around here. suddenly theres a thread 6 pages long made over night about something i didnt know.
will you people PLEASE keep me in the loop!!
sorry, bruce. you know i love you.
but....get tony to set what up for me again?
This should do nicely for all involved
Followed by (Shame the time doesn't show anymore):
organic, premium ones, at that. asshole
speaker salesman?
you mean from when i was 18 and had a shitty job for 2 weeks?
Yes, your grand (?) entrance down the coal chute.
Ok Kagen... Marlena was possessed and then she died, but she wasn't really dead... she came back to life but was lost and Hope was looking for her... then she got preggers but Beau wasn't tha' father because tha' Phoenix hypnotized her when she was fifteen cause Victor paid him to buy off Roman, but Roman don't play like that...
mmmmmm.........
UT, re angryarkansas's post.....
you wanna go 50/50 on the royalties to that soap?
Well, I still seem to be banned as Marichiko. Rich, I agree my "suicide" post was over the top, and I already apologized for that once. But what the hey, I'll apologize for it twice.
Followed by (Shame the time doesn't show anymore):
Yes, your grand (?) entrance down the coal chute.
hey, if you feel froggy, leap, xo.
state your case. come out and say what's on your mind. what's with all the innuendo and subtlety?
After a great deal of soul searching I am unbanning Marichiko. Have at it.
:grouphug:
After a great deal of soul searching I am unbanning Marichiko. Have at it.
Good call.
I'm still banned as Marichiko.
its funny to me that [some]people's perception is that i hate you and want you to be banned. i dont hate you. really, i don't. ..
the dynamite/road flares in the dead guys wood shed
the simile post which you posted as yourself until you woke up and realized you might get busted, and quickly copped to stealing it.
etfriggingcetera
whatever. welcome back.
now shut the fuck up
state your case. come out and say what's on your mind. what's with all the innuendo and subtlety?
:lol:
:grouphug:
yeah, right.
This is still a fucked up forum situation. This is pretty much the worst banning situation I have seen. Some members are so turned off by this incident that they will just disappear, with out final post, without fanfare.
This is pretty much the worst banning situation I have seen. Some members are so turned off by this incident that they will just disappear, with out final post, without fanfare.
UT is the most patient mod I've ever seen. And how come everyone gets to have a pissy day now and then except UT?
The Dave situation was much worse than this, IMO.
Shit happens. Some may leave, but many will stay and noobs will come. The Cellar will go on, as it has for the last 17 years.
The new mod was so unstable that a month later he banned himself.
That is TOOOO FUNNY !!!!
But that is exactly the wedge some folks are in. Addicted to the community, yet hates it. Resentful dependence as some pros call it.
Two months later he shows up as a new user, and when I realize it was him, I banned his sorry ass again.
This whole scene was compressed into a couple of days at The Cellar. I guess forum members in 2006 are getting more adept at carrying out bullshit.
And I'm still banned as Marichiko. Why say otherwise????? Indeed we all have our bad moments as I did when I posted the "suicide post." Life goes on and so will the Cellar. But why say I'm unbanned when I'm not? :confused:
And, no, my sock puppet doesn't count since "Buddha" was never banned in the first place.
I'm just puzzled at this point as much as anything.
Thank you Limey. That leaves Ducksnuts as the traitor. I am simply stunned that she could post about what happened on that support board. What a betrayal on HER part. If I find out who she is I will report her to the mods of the other board.
Slow down and actually read what I wrote Mari.
That said, another forum I am a member of has a Mari character and she seems to LOVE the conflict....thrives on it. I dont know Mari well enough to know this is correct, but it did seem that way
No mention of anything that happened on any of your other forums.
I meant, and I am sure
most people would of read that as me referring to another character who appeared to have the same characteristics as you have displayed in the short time I have been here.
I dont know you from any other forum.
hey, if you feel froggy, leap, xo.
state your case. come out and say what's on your mind. what's with all the innuendo and subtlety?
I don't see any innuendo or subtlety.
Tony open with a post that said nothing except here it is. You posted first, but there's no way to tell the time span, now. He set it up and you spiked it ......the posts I quoted show that.
Wasn't the speaker-check fiasco posted when you first arrived down the coal chute? You know, Cellar, coal chute?
I don't see any innuendo or subtlety.
Tony open with a post that said nothing except here it is. You posted first, but there's no way to tell the time span, now. He set it up and you spiked it ......the posts I quoted show that.
Wasn't the speaker-check fiasco posted when you first arrived down the coal chute? You know, Cellar, coal chute?
well, first you have to read
this thread.
UT, could we change it back to showing the date and time?
and it seemed to me that you were referring to a 'descent into darkness' which carried a certain judgement of my line of work.....like the fisrt step down the path to the dark side. you know, coal chute, darkness?
glad you cleared that up for me. so, yeah, i posted that when i first came on here.....what does that have to do with this???
and why the sarcastic barb about my long sought victory? you never call bullshit on anyone? you don't agree with my opinions about her? what?
There was a great deal of upset in rk's smoking thread so I created another thread for discussion purposes. I wanted to discuss it too.
I'm outta here for a while, even an admin needs a break now and again. Can't seem to get one any other way, I'm chock full of mistakes the last few days. See you all in a week or two.
Have a good sojourn UT. I hope calm heads prevail in the end.
I'm not a double or a liar. My name is Monica Wilson. My phone number is 719-685-9385. I live in the town of Manitou Springs, Colorado. I will soon be moving to Mancos, Colorado in a few days. If anyone has any questions, feel free to call me.
You really should be careful what info you put out on the internet.
Found via Google:
V S Mcgilvry, (719) 685-9385, 124 Cave Ave, Manitou Springs, CO 80829
In Mari's defence, V S Mcgilvry could be her landlord or something...
I personally don't know Mari well enough yet to judge. My impression is that she is much like some of the immature drama queens I go to school with, but she has her moments of civility, too. I agree that unbanning is right, for now, until she proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, that she deserves it. She gets a lot of undeserved flak, in my opinion, but she also generates a lot against herself. Mari, I think you should calm things down and think long and hard about how your posts will be taken before you post. lumberjim and everyone else who rags on Mari regularly, back off a little. This isn't the schoolyard and we aren't a bunch of fifth graders trying to prove how badass we are. Are we? Some people (coughjordoncough) piss me off to no end (well, pissed, cause he doesnt seem to be around any more), but I was never any less than civil (at least, I hope I wasn't less than civil). Mari has a persecution complex, I think, but LJ and Co. should lay off a bit too.
I think that if this place is making someone so angry that have to act this way - and reading through the posts it was some pretty angsty, frusterating chit chat - then the individuals time would be better (and healthier) spent elsewhere.
im not for, nor against the ban but i do believe that this place should not be taken for granted and should be respected.. and so should UT and anyone else here for that matter.
there is no point getting so worked up about issues (and on the internet to top it off!) so much so that you need to make scary big red posts, or insult people - it just makes it very unplesant for others to come here and just read banter and frusteration.
I hate when people say they're leaving for a while and don't leave. It's like they're just posting that to be noticed and talk about it for as long as possible. Talk about attention-deprived.
You really should be careful what info you put out on the internet.
Found via Google:
V S Mcgilvry, (719) 685-9385, 124 Cave Ave, Manitou Springs, CO 80829
That's the person who had that number before me. As we all should know, the Internet is not always up to date on phone numbers. If you look it up in the QWEST phone directory, you'll see Monica Wilson at that number and I live on Elk Path. In fact a couple of people from this board have called me at that number.
I apologize to UT for losing my temper and posting in big red letters. That was out of line on my part. I'll be going away for a while now myself.
[SIZE="7"][COLOR="Red"]BOO!!![/COLOR][/SIZE]
i bet ya'all just pissed yourselves! *hands out Senior diapers*
;)
well, first you have to read this thread.
That link's dead but I assume you mean the "Tobacco - Cigar, Pipe, and all else you like" thread or the 'Why am I constantly eating?" Thread. I've read both.
UT, could we change it back to showing the date and time?
and it seemed to me that you were referring to a 'descent into darkness' which carried a certain judgement of my line of work.....like the fisrt step down the path to the dark side. you know, coal chute, darkness?
There is nothing wrong with your line of work. I have no reason to believe you don't perform it competently or honestly.
glad you cleared that up for me. so, yeah, i posted that when i first came on here.....what does that have to do with this???
Just a reminder that we all do stupid shit. Being older than you or Mari, I'd bet I've done more stupid shit than either of you so I'm not throwing stones.
and why the sarcastic barb about my long sought victory? you never call bullshit on anyone? you don't agree with my opinions about her? what?
You've attacked her and threatening to drive her off the board, when you've been here, except in the political threads, from the git-go. Arguing positions and ideas is expected, but personal attacks are a different thing, entirely. It's bullying.
No, I don't agree with you. I've stated my views
here. There was a great deal of upset in rk's smoking thread so I created another thread for discussion purposes. I wanted to discuss it too.
I'm outta here for a while, even an admin needs a break now and again. Can't seem to get one any other way, I'm chock full of mistakes the last few days. See you all in a week or two.
I'm not questioning the reasons or validity of your starting that thread. The way it worked out was, you set it up and LJ attacked, so I told him if he wanted to fuck me, as he said, maybe he could get you to do it again.
You own the board which gives you the honor & privilege:rolleyes: of doing a shitload of work, make hundreds of decisions, pay the bills and occasionally feel smug in return for babysitting the board all night.:thankyou:
Do you make mistakes as the Admin? Probably, considering you're human, but I don't see them. Remember, for most of your decisions we never know the coulda, shoulda, woulda, so don't be so tough on yourself.
That said, you have another hat.
As an active member of the board you make posts. Those posts reflect your views, opinions, experience, knowledge and biases, just like every other poster.
It's a shame that a lot of people (not TW)can't recognize which hat you're wearing and defer to your admin position, rather than debate. It puts you in a position (with some people)where you're not always right, but never wrong. That sucks, because it's no fun for you and with all you put into this board you deserve to have fun here.
You really should be careful what info you put out on the internet.
Found via Google:
V S Mcgilvry, (719) 685-9385, 124 Cave Ave, Manitou Springs, CO 80829
I know several people whose phone accounts are not in their names for various reasons, usually financial.
Of course, since the Internet is infallibly accurate... :rolleyes:
you can google me and see if it is accurate. :p
google: Cheyenne Whitefeather, Indian Princess. I am sure it MUST be there ;)
oooooooo... I just found a really nice website by googling my name :D
in-progress.org featuring award winning videos and other artistic media.
Cheyenne, you're googling yourself? Feel good?
Um... well, I got to this thread late, but I'm glad Mari is un-banned. We're all drama queens, we all go over the top. Some more regularly than others.
LJ, here's a hint: take everything said on that thar Interweb with a grain of salt. Perhaps I'm an overweight geek chick who just got back from England, and perhaps not. Does it matter? If I bring something to the discussion occasionally, and am not outrageously abusive, isn't that good enough? If you really want The Truth about us all, you came to the wrong place.
As an example, I kinda liked Gwinnie!/RS's evolution. It was interesting to watch from the sideline -- and no, I didn't feel like I had been "tricked" in some way. S/he had no obligation to me, except to respect my rights as a poster.
I'l probably regret saying this <better judgement>so don't say it!</better judegement> but you seem to stomp on that principle more often than the people you target, LJ.
Actually, I seem to have a pretty bad habit of being overly *honest* here on The Cellar. I should probably watch out for that habit.
Wow. I just read all this banning stuff for the first time.
Just.
Wow.
Actually, I seem to have a pretty bad habit of being overly *honest* here on The Cellar. I should probably watch out for that habit.
before you change EL, can we know if the antlers stay on during hot animal sex? :lol:
Does it matter?
It was asked in another thread "Is it real" as in here, in the cellar, are people really who they say they are? Seems that at least a few people find this to be important, and most, if not all, answered in the affirmative. If it's not real, if we are not who we say we are, if people are free to make shit up as they go along, to sound more interesting, to prop up their own ego's, to win arguments - whatever... what is the point? Why are we wasting our time here - have they canceled television or something?
If truth, honesty, integrity, whatever you want to call it, have no value here, if everyone thinks this is all made up, then no one believes anyone about anything. I think we're seeing a bit of that now, like with Bruce for example.
Marichiko has a habit of telling stories that are not water tight, they leave room for doubt. That can't be said of everyone here, which is why I imagine not everyone is questioned like she is - or maybe it's becuase she's the only female here, I don't know for sure. But in my experience, when engaged in a debate, marichiko defaults to using a personal example to support whatever claim she has made, one which is often highly questionable.
For example; the
Clarity Rose thread. Marichiko was questioned about the process for obtaining a housing voucher, and questioned about the lack of housing available. A link to what appeared to be exactly what marichiko said didn't exist was offered. She claimed to have
personally visited the home in that link (chosen at random from hundreds in the state of CO) just the week before - and went on to claim that the homes listed on web sites like the one offered were actually never available (the web site obviously being maintained just to fuck with people).
Another example is in a thread about Walmart, mari claims that she was cheated out of benefits by a dept. store where she worked. When questioned about the obligation to pay benefits, to provide a link showing that benefits are a [federal] requirement for full time employment- her response? "Find your own link, sorry, I speak from experience" Hmm, yeah, that's a satisfying debate, but then, I suppose I was kicking her wheelchair by even asking about it. Well, I did find my own link. What was mari's reaction to finding out she wasn't cheated and her personal experience was not accurately conveyed? " Whatever. Believe what you want. Its nothing to me."
Indeed. It is something to some of us though.
I am a millionaire.
My name is GOD.
I am a virgin and have 3 children.
take it with a grain of salt. don't lose sleep over it. get over it.
Would anyone believe i lost my job and was turned down unemployment?
Would anyone believe i had an operation and was on state disability and was refused payment?
These are both true. Do I owe any of you a furthur explanation as to why these statements are true? NO!
Cheyenne, you're googling yourself? Feel good?
Yes it feels wonderful! *googles self* ahhhhhh....yesssss.....
couldn't that all have been one post? o never mind.
If it's not real, if we are not who we say we are, if people are free to make shit up as they go along, to sound more interesting, to prop up their own ego's, to win arguments - whatever... what is the point? Why are we wasting our time here - have they canceled television or something?
Because it's more interesting than work. Because I find personalities here (real or imaginary) that are challenging, entertaining, supportive or amusing.
If truth, honesty, integrity, whatever you want to call it, have no value here, if everyone thinks this is all made up, then no one believes anyone about anything.
Truth certainly has value. It's just not the same value for each person. I personally try not to exaggerate because I find it distasteful. But I'm sure not everyone feels the same way. YMMV.
Marichiko has a habit of telling stories that are not water tight, they leave room for doubt. ... But in my experience, when engaged in a debate, marichiko defaults to using a personal example to support whatever claim she has made, one which is often highly questionable. [...examples...] Indeed. It is something to some of us though.
So, she's either a terrible debater or a bullshitter. (Not a liar -- read
On Bullshit by Harry G. Frankfurt for an explanation of the difference.)
Well, here's my talking points:
1.) Most people probably do take liberty with the truth, either intentionally or as a result of sloppiness.
2.) Either we hire an army of CIA polygraph experts to throw the weasels out, or we
get over it.
couldn't that all have been one post?
Not in a million years.
couldn't that all have been one post? o never mind.
yes, it COULD have been. But I put it thata way. Wanna fight about it?? :P
*puts up dukes*
"Put 'em up, put 'em up! Which one of you first? I can fight you both together if you want. I can fight you with one paw tied behind my back. I can fight you standing on one foot. I can fight you with my eyes closed. Oh, pull an axe on me, eh? Sneaking up on me, eh? Why, I'll... Ruff!"
get over it.
Thanks for your reply pie, I appreciate it. The concept of community is one I think about often, and this is all fascinating to me on many levels.
I am
getting over it, I think, but I feel like I can get over it and explain my position at the same time. Do you agree or are you asking me to
just shut up?
yes, it COULD have been. But I put it thata way. Wanna fight about it?? :P
*puts up dukes*
"Put 'em up, put 'em up! Which one of you first? I can fight you both together if you want. I can fight you with one paw tied behind my back. I can fight you standing on one foot. I can fight you with my eyes closed. Oh, pull an axe on me, eh? Sneaking up on me, eh? Why, I'll... Ruff!"
She has the cowardly lions line memorized. I am slightly in awe.
.....and no I didn't google it. I lubs that movie!
My 2 cents worth. Im just a slow minded redneck, but I can't understand how people fuss and raise hell on the phone or internet. They have a button for that. If you call me to eat my ass out, you can bet that'll be a damn short call. I prefer face to face. In truth I could care less who gets barred. If I piss off Tony and he hits me in the ass with the end gate, so be it. Don't think that'll ever happen, less I get a big dose of ta-kill-ya. Take a deep breath or a drink and move on.:lol:
big snip~
If truth, honesty, integrity, whatever you want to call it, have no value here, if everyone thinks this is all made up, then no one believes anyone about anything. I think we're seeing a bit of that now, like with Bruce for example.
~big snip
I'm curious to what you're refering too. What was it I was supposed to be or do that I'm not or didn't? :confused:
I was confused by your recent posts as well... didn't get the jokes.
yes, it COULD have been. But I put it thata way. Wanna fight about it?? :P
*puts up dukes*
"Put 'em up, put 'em up! Which one of you first? I can fight you both together if you want. I can fight you with one paw tied behind my back. I can fight you standing on one foot. I can fight you with my eyes closed. Oh, pull an axe on me, eh? Sneaking up on me, eh? Why, I'll... Ruff!"
I was thinking about
this one but I always do..., then I realised the paws didn't fit (let alone the script), and it had to be Oz
I was thinking about this one but I always do..., then I realised the paws didn't fit (let alone the script), and it had to be Oz
We were wathing that last night. It is just as funny each time we do watch it. :lol:
in retrospect, I think I may have had a bad day yesterday. But I'll never tell....
I was confused by your recent posts as well... didn't get the jokes.
You weren't alone. :lol:
We were all getting played.
Which was clear from her first post ...
Borderline Personality Disorder.
Google.
Learn.
Borderline Personality Disorder.
Exactly. I mentioned that she now has 'proof' that the world revolves around her. That's like deep-fried chocolate to the BPD. Irresistable.
couldn't that all have been one post? o never mind.
Thank God you're policing the boards and giving suggestions. It makes my reading experience much more pleasurable.
before you change EL, can we know if the antlers stay on during hot animal sex? :lol:
Mrs Elspode made me stop wearing them. She said they poked the insides of her thighs too much...
Thank God you're policing the boards and giving suggestions. It makes my reading experience much more pleasurable.
ya know what's better? Just having whatever the fuck. That is SO much fucking better. No standards via the community--just what. the. fuck. ever. I. (the Important "I") wish. To. Post. and, i wish to post this, for your viewing and edumacation:
:p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p
:p :p :p :p :p :p :p
Aren't I adorable?
Yes. I know I am!
Don't even try to tell me that I'm not fucking adorable coz I KNOW that I AM! I SO AM! :p
:p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p
Cute, huh?
Brianna,
Your not fucking adorable!
*runs like a muthafukka and hides*
:hide:
pPs--the ONLY reason I said 'edumacation' instead of 'education' is that 'eduMAcation' is so, sooooo much more ADORABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
:P :P :P :P
Brianna,
Your not fucking adorable!
oh! yes I AM!!
Ya wanna fight me, do ya, do ya?????? I SO WILL!~!!!!!!!!!!
:p
So there on YOU!
yes, screwing up the sticking out tongue emot IS SO ADORABLE!
I see it now. :p
OH! I KNOW it is!!!! I KNOW I am sooooo adorable NO MATTER WHAT I DO!!!!!!!!!!
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
your silly :p
I shall go shower now. Don't play with any knives while I am away. k?
and...NO RUNNING WITH SCISSORS!!!
your silly :p
Your fucking up "you're" is NOT adorable!
Brianna,
Your not fucking adorable!
that's adorable, too!
PS 'You Are' is contracted as 'you're'. OK, sweetest?
Now, what about that shower, hon?
You know, the amazing thing about all of this is that according to the show 'Big Love' there are men who actually want to spend the rest of their lives with more than one woman.
I bet none of them have met you two.:bolt:
:D
that's adorable, too!
PS 'You Are' is contracted as 'you're'. OK, sweetest?
Now, what about that shower, hon?
I know hon. :p
The shower went quite well actually. ;)
Borderline Personality Disorder.
Google.
Learn.
Google is telling me that there are as many definitions of BPD as there are pages that discuss it - and making me think that maybe Tom Cruise is on to something.
Seriously though, I would have guessed histrionic, but I'll defer to your expertise. Is it possible for you to elucidate on the difference and why you think a particular or hypothetical person would be one and not the other?
...but I feel like I can get over it and explain my position at the same time. Do you agree or are you asking me to just shut up?
(Sorry for the delay; I was down in Snakepit Central for most of the week.) No, my comment was closer to "Don't mind it so much."
MC seems to really have crawled up peoples' noses around here. Maybe she isn't the most stable or truthful or (???) person around here. But... what of it? Perhaps this
is an honest representation of herself, with her very specific warts. A persona is a reflection of the person who created it.
Now, if you're saying you don't
like her, and don't want to talk to her or read her posts for that reason, I'll buy that. But don't ban her for the sin of being herself, and claim it's some high principle.
Okay, enough soapbox for me. :dead:
- Pie
Histrionics just make me annoyed. Borderlines make me want to strangle them.
Histrionics just make me annoyed. Borderlines make me want to strangle them.
Of course if it was plain hysteria, there would be a simple cure.
The same general definition, or under the name female hysteria, came into widespread use in the middle and late 19th century to describe what is today generally considered to be sexual dissatisfaction. Typical "treatment" was massage of the patient's genitalia by the physician and later vibrators or water sprays to cause orgasm.
Google is telling me that there are as many definitions of BPD as there are pages that discuss it ...
This is exactly why you don't want to use Google.
Clustered results help you zero in on aspects you are interested in:
http://clusty.com/search?query=Borderline%20personality%20disorder
⇨Treatment (42)
⇨Health, Mental (21)
⇨Psychiatric (14)
⇨Suffering (12)
⇨Understanding (11)
⇨Bipolar Disorder (12)
⇨Self-image (10)
⇨Criteria (10)
⇨Advice (8)
⇨Recovery (6)
But these days, I just go to Wikipedia first:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderline_personality_disorderOf course if it was plain hysteria, there would be a simple cure.
I really hate it on those rare occasions when my womb goes wandering too.
(Sorry for the delay; I was down in Snakepit Central for most of the week.) No, my comment was closer to "Don't mind it so much."
- Pie
Thanks Pie, I wasn't sure if my question came across as such, or just a snarky remark.
I don't really even think about banning people as an option, because it isn't, I don't have that button. UT does, and I'm good with that.
Histrionics just make me annoyed. Borderlines make me want to strangle them.
I have more reading to do...
So, in the forum dynamic, is it better to ostracize people with BPD or simply catalogue them in whatever folder you have for such things? Don't they fall in the same category as anyone else one finds insufferable (i.e., ignore-list worthy)? If they are suffering from a psychological condition that they have no control over, is that the same thing as run-of-the-mill attention whoring?
If I'm manic depressive, for example, and I follow up a happy post with a suicidal one, am I not being as "real" as my condition will allow me to be? Or am I dangerous to the herd, and therefore subject to ban? Is the cellar a microcosm of the real world, or does it have its own set of social norms? Seems like the latter, to me. More extreme behavior is tolerated (yet there is still a line that can't be crossed), and one's online-only friendships don't have the same requirements.
I'm genuinely curious, and not in the least prejudging anything that's happened -- aside from the big red letters and anger, what about marichiko is substantially more annoying than, say, me?
Maybe it's just that I don't read ANYthing on the internet without skepticism. I mean, I feel like most of us here are genuine, but I really have no proof of that (nor, to be honest, a vested interest in anyone's honesty). It's more like interactive people-watching or something. I read what people put out there, occasionally fling some poo myself, and just watch the process happen.
I've become acquainted with a few of you outside the confines of
http://cellar.org, feel a certain affection (maybe just familiarity?) for most of the rest, but at no point has anyone pissed me off to the point of being mad "IRL". Like busterb says, the off button is there for a reason. You should use it, or the ignore feature, long before you allow yourself to get genuinely angry.
Opinions are like assholes, of course.
I'd go with cataloging them.
I havent been on this forum for very long, but on other forums, I have this little list in my head and when I read someone from that lists post....my head says "oh ya, they are full of shit, they said such-such last week...dickheads" and keep going.
There is an Australian forum that I am a member of that has 18,000+ members and its just weird the way some of those members spend hours a week trying to pick apart someone's story and *out them*. I seriously couldnt be fucked with the time or the effort.
Of course, its interesting to watch that train wreck unfold, but it makes the board unpleasant for a week or so afterwards.
The only problem not outting them is, new members dont know that the *list* exists and therefor, can get their heads/hearts mixed up in the bullshit stories. Some people are just too nice and caring for their own good.
This was a weird scenario....one of the cronic bullshitartists (from another forum) had this whole little PM underground network going, where they would contact all the new members and tell them who was who and who they shouldnt talk to.
That person even spend hours fabricating a whole life story for a member, then convincing all the old time members that they were mentally unstable and should be treated with kid gloves. That went on for weeks before it all came out in the open.
It was fucken hilarious, but very sad at the same time.
I love forum dynamics, they are so interesting.
Dont get me wrong, I have formed some long and great friendships via forums, but I guess I am just not quick to believe everything in print, I just dont spend hours analysing what I read :D
Care to diagnose any others here Wolf?
Care to diagnose any others here Wolf?
It doesn't have to be a complete list, just be sure to include all of the nymphomaniacs.;)
Just keep ME out of it...she'd have a field day with me.
That's what I mean. There's more than enough mental problems to go around. I got some myself. Maybe they just don't or haven't manifested here. Point is Wolf (and some others) feel they've read enough by Mari to diagnose her. Fine. If they know her that well just add her to the ignore list. This whole incident should have never happened. Ignore is around for a reason. The same can apply to Mari too. She could have put those she didn't like on ignore. Ignoring > Fighting in my book.
Of course, its interesting to watch that train wreck unfold, but it makes the board unpleasant for a week or so afterwards.
The only problem not outting them is, new members dont know that the *list* exists and therefor, can get their heads/hearts mixed up in the bullshit stories. Some people are just too nice and caring for their own good.
This was a weird scenario....one of the cronic bullshitartists (from another forum) had this whole little PM underground network going, where they would contact all the new members and tell them who was who and who they shouldnt talk to.
That person even spend hours fabricating a whole life story for a member, then convincing all the old time members that they were mentally unstable and should be treated with kid gloves. That went on for weeks before it all came out in the open.
It was fucken hilarious, but very sad at the same time.
Who would believe this kinda thing happens? What kind of board member is in the know of this happening? or worse in the know but deny it anyway. Why would this thing happen at all? How does the heart of the person mend after being at the brunt of something like that?
oh and it's not fucken hilarious.
I do know it's not hilarious regardless of what people who think have a front row seat to someones internet life/real life. People need to get a life.
I have to give mari the benefit of the doubt. I can't believe people devote time to watching others.It's just strange.
@jinx and others
Here are some alterations on the BPD theme. I don't really like how people are labeled so if one is going to do it one might as well get the label right. I guess.
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/PD%20In%20Dogs%20And%20Humans.htm
[edit to mention to scroll past the dog thing at the top of the page. At the bottom of the page is a grid and links for subtypes I found interesting,
I havent read all of the pages of comments here and was sorta shocked that Mari got banned.
For what it's worth this is my opinion of the whole thing.
Most of what she has posted over the years has driven me crazy and in some cases even mock fired my inert LAWS rocket point blank at Colorodo on the big US map hanging on the wall.
There was very little that she wrote that was not annoying at a very basic level.
However.....
Instead of getting directly involved with the ever ending hardship stories and tales of needless confrontation I truly wondered if her life would change in the positive direction.
She sounds so truly miserable that I honestly wish her peace in life. Circumstances certainly change through a person's life and so might their attitude during those changes.
At a few short times in my own life I have felt as bad as she sounded on the board. Those hard times were only temporary for me though. It seems sad but very possible that Mari will be bitter, angry and confrontational until her last breath.
I still hope that things work out in life for her but realize that they will probably not. That there are people all over the world willing and able to help someone like her out, a hand up, something small or kind gesture, something that might get momentum moving for her.
As for the ban, the cellar is "ours" but not really ours. Thats reality. That's life. Whether you like the decisions here or not the cellar only belongs to one man. Fortunately a very savvy and easy going man but just one.
The schedule here at work now doesnt allow me to read through everything like I can while waiting for a new assignment or on vacation. When there is opportunity for me to start posting my normal funny/worthless/interesting content next, there will be a new cast of people here wondering how Saddam has found access to post at the cellar.
There is something here for anyone sincerely interested in interacting constructively one way or another. That's truly rare these days and I'm grateful to have the chance to stop in now and then.
.............. back to designing widget systems of (whispering voice) B -I- G O -I- L (/whispering voice)
oh and it's not fucken hilarious.
I do know it's not hilarious regardless of what people who think have a front row seat to someones internet life/real life. People need to get a life.
It was funny *to me* Sky, I was one of the people involved, not the whack job either. I found it amusing that people I had been talking to for over 2 years fell for the story this lady fabricated...it was amusing from that perspective.
I just dont get upset about shit like that.
Who would believe this kinda thing happens? What kind of board member is in the know of this happening? or worse in the know but deny it anyway. Why would this thing happen at all? How does the heart of the person mend after being at the brunt of something like that?
Does this bother you because you wonder if it's happening here?
If it
is, and you don't
know about it, what does that mean?
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean people actually
aren't out to get you.
@ ducks, oh, ok
It bothers me that people are so screwed up generally and someone laughs at disfunctional behavior. It bothers me there are obsessive screwballs period.
@ lj, wow, honored with a reply.Maybe you should talk to someone you actually like? 'cause I don't want you starting your weirdness with me again.
No,I don't think those things are happening here, otherwise I wouldn't hang around.
The only person I think is a wierdo is you.
Basically, I think there is just one possible extreme thinker here and if you can keep your obsessions away from me everything will be cool. akay?
Lastly, I think the last sentence of your was an attempt at humor? Your personal bumber sticker?
I thought so. Have a nice day.
Re: Ducknuts original post and my reply that got me two posts in response.
One person defensive and one person in attack mode.
I questioned the status quo. When will I ever learn not to or learn there are obsessive freaks getting their game on.
I'm thinking. Maybe I just should have taken the low road. Sat back in my fat chair and laugh at the way people seem to have time in thier life to make up storys, be obsessive, and do all the things ducknuts discribed. I think it's weird shit.
That's because it is. What the fuck does paranoia have to do with it?
I just love how wack jobs twist things.
It makes me feel sad and Fed up.
@ lj, wow, honored with a reply.Maybe you should talk to someone you actually like? 'cause I don't want you starting your weirdness with me again.
actually, i don't think this is true. you seem to enjoy being abused. you don't, by any chance,
cut yourself from time to time, do you?
ps. i never said i didn't like you.
actually, i don't think this is true. you seem to enjoy being abused. you don't, by any chance, cut yourself from time to time, do you?
ps. i never said i didn't like you.
no I don't like abuse. How much do you like to abuse?
Speaking of abuse. Thanks for the mild post. You're showing restraint I see. You must like me because you have me only being a simple wrist slasher.
I can't thank you enough. I can actuall go to work without feeling like hurling.
I like a little abouse... sometimes I'm bad & need to be punished.
Sky - I wasnt really being defensive, just responding to your comments. Its no biggie.
You're right, its weird shit, thats why I pointed it out. Me, I tend to see the funny side of shit like that, rather than be worried by it.
Sure, I was weirded out by the lady that did it, but in the end I feel sorry for her, it was attention whoring of the worse kind.
She wanted to feel superior on the forum and ran around making up shit about anyone who came in and got attention...that *should* of been hers.
Pure nut job.
Rk (you need to decide what we should call you for short :p) - you are just plain naughty :)
@ ducky :)
No heart feelings. The post you are referring too I shouldn't have made. It was born out of being tired from working ALOT and should be disregarded. I thought it sounded whiney even to me. I slumped.
...wa...wa....wa...
@rk. umm That's weird because at work I was thinking those crasy people who get into punishment games don't even go where I go. Now , you gone and ruined my theory. :)
I can't believe that all this was going on during the week that I was not able to spend any amount of time checking out The Cellar. It's taken me two days to write this offline, because of venous complications in my legs I haven't been able to sit in a chair for more than 5 minutes at a time without excruciating pain. But even though some sort of resolution seems to have been reached, I believe I should also have a chance to defend my evil twin Marichiko. Sorry if this cuts into the after-party, but I have a few things to say.
First I have to say that UT is the best administrator I have ever seen, he has the patience of a saint and the skill of a cat herder. I totally identify with him because I am administrator on another international website, I might have mentioned that before in passing, and we monitor 24/7. I have the graveyard shift, after Mazatlan goes down and until Greece gets online. We have to ban people too, fortunately not very often, and the reason is almost always because they declare war on the moderators for not letting them have free rein. I've been called things, in two languages, that have greatly expanded my X-rated vocabulary. I've been threatened with death or hacking or worse, I've been slandered on every other forum the malefactor can find, and I have learned to ignore it as a matter of course. But I can do that because it is Tonchi who has control of the button, I can make them go away forever with one keystroke and there is no appeal except to me. But UT is dealing with a different mindset, a supposedly more mature group. He also has his finger on the button but the whole premise of this forum is supposed to be that the people who belong here can take care of policing themselves. It's UT's forum, and he is the boss and final authority, but he has rarely had to exercise that privilege.
If people are not banned from UT's forum for posting drunk, stoned, ignorant, stupid, biased, antagonistic, or just plain mean, why can't someone also post angry? I'll admit I almost had a heart attack when I saw her post, it was totally over the top, but then what did you guys really expect would happen? Several of you poked and slashed and kicked at her and she finally lost it. She's sitting there trying to pack what material things that remain of her life and get out of her house and on the road by a deadline, and so you start a post which has no other reason except to criticize HER. How many other Cellar Dwellers have ever had a post started by the Administrator with the sole intention of jumping on one of the forum members? I'm kinda new, so tell me - Is this a first?
Then, how many of you could handle the possibility that every single time you wrote something there would be somebody who would attack you on a personal level? "Hello, everybody, let me tell you what happened to me today." "Shut up, you lying welfare whore, we aren't interested in hearing anymore of your trash." Beyond the truthfulness or exaggeration of what Marichiko has said here, which is a different issue, I am talking about the foaming-at-the-mouth hostility with which LJ has essentially stalked her. I don't need to qualify that statement, more than a few of you have already posted all the examples necessary. Some of you think this is "justified", I see? May I ask why Marichiko Must Die but UG, TW, Radar, and other assorted lunatic fringe cases who have flown through here do not elicit the same response? No urgent necessity of getting rid of politically abhorrent members, let’s get The Broad, she makes up things? That’s ... The Cellar? I mean, I have only a basic idea what the details are and I have not read all the posts in the years this has been going on and it would probably take a while to piece all the versions together, but geez, people! Who fucking cares???? Is this really lynch-mob material?
Every individual’s life is the entire world to them. We all deal with being in that life the best we can, and sometimes we don’t do such a good job of it. Everybody copes as best they can and everybody’s understanding of what is happening to them does not necessarily match what somebody on the outside may see. People also handle crises differently. Marichiko’s way is to try to talk through it, to try to outrun it, to try to understand it. She probably talks too much, she gives too many personal details, she has written term-paper investigations of what has happened to her. That is the way SHE deals with it. Mari and I have so many parallel events in our history that it's scary, but I deal with these things differently - I don't tell ANYBODY, I work it though by only contacting the people involved, I do not need a support group, I am secure in the love of several people who I am in communication with although they are not physically with me. Mari doesn't have any of that, and from what I have read on this forum in the last year, she is far from the only one.
Let me give you some information. I, also, am on SS Disability. I receive $1,350 per month, with Medicare hospitalization deducted from that. I had to wait 2 years from the verified date of my disability to get that payment, there was one year after the actual event when I did not file for any benefits or support because I was trying to take care of it myself. Just like Mari. But during that time between April 2002 and June 2005, I had to spend nearly $100,000 of my own money, for the sole purpose of staying alive long enough to qualify for Medicare. I paid for Major Risk medical coverage which cost $845.00 per month. There was less than $3,000 per year income. I was not allowed to work by my doctor, because I could not put any stress on my heart or lungs. What I have is called Pulmonary Hypertension; it was caused by a 15-year history of massive pulmonary embolisms due to a congenital blood condition I have called Protein C Deficiency. Until very recently, it was always fatal. The worst characteristic of this condition is that you do not get enough oxygen to your brain, which causes fatigue, slow responses, forgetfulness, confusion, and poor physical coordination. Just like Mari. I had no choice but to go on full disability because there was no way that by myself I could pay for the operation which would save my life, and besides, I was let go from three jobs in one year because I was not able to effectively handle the work when my body could not process enough oxygen. Just like Mari. I hardly ever went outside my house for 3 years, because the air in Fresno is so deadly that it causes asthma which made my breathing even more difficult. I lived under unbearable stress, just like Mari, not knowing if I would be able to qualify for or receive help in time, because the diagnoses, operation, and treatments which I needed cost almost $200,000.00, and even then there was no 100% guarantee that the hypertension would go away after all the material in my pulmonary arteries was removed. I am alive today because of Social Security Disability, and the inheritance which allowed me to stay alive long enough to qualify for it. Oh, and the first check I got from them was $25,000, just like Mari. They back-pay one full year of your benefits.
None of you knew anything about this, did you? Because I never told you. Because I didn't NEED to tell you. All of this came to a peak last summer, July 15 to be exact. Tonchi could have died on that operating table during a 12-hour-long procedure and never come back to the Cellar at all and very few of you would have thought about it much. And that was fine with me, because that is the way I run MY life. I would rather give sympathy, advice, support, or help to others than ask them to do it for me. But that does not mean that how I do things is better or worse than anybody else, that is just ME. Other people are not me, they don't think like I do, they don't have the same needs as me. So if other people choose to solve their problems in a different way, why should it make me at odds with them? The only thing which gets me upset is when people do NOTHING about their problems. You certainly could never say that Mari does nothing about her problems!
So like I said first, if The Cellar lets you post drunk, stoned, ignorant, stupid, biased, antagonistic, or just plain mean, can't people also just get ANGRY? Some of you worked really hard to make her angry. She should have just mumbled a fuck you and turned of the computer and packed it but unfortunately she didn't. Because she's who she is, she wanted all of us to be with her right up to the launch for the next really big stage of her life, and she got this instead. She's genuinely sorry for her outburst now and admits it was inappropriate. She should not have said the things that she said, and she knows it. But one thing I am positive of is Mari does not have a mean bone in her body. That is more than I can say about certain others here at The Cellar. The Cellar - we've got a bone to pick with you and it better not be a mean one. Let's drop it, can we please? UT was definitely owed an apology and he got it. Major contrition from the offender. Lessons learned and boundaries decided? We'll see.
Tonchi could have died on that operating table during a 12-hour-long procedure and never come back to the Cellar
I know I speak for more than just myself when I say that we are glad you are still with us.
you write a 2000 word diatribe, insult, accuse, attack imagine and assure, and
then say cant we just drop it? it was dropped. i let lots of shit go by in this thread without defending myself. now a week later, you want to get your two cents in?
one thing I am positive of is Mari does not have a mean bone in her body
how can you be?
the perception here is obviously that i wait for every chance to find lies in maris every post, no? please. i usually skip over them. stalking her? fuck you, too.
Part of my intent was to prevent the tobacco thread from being ruined by the controversy.
I suppose I should have just let the original thread be ruined. Although its creator had PMd me specifically to ask where a tobacco thread should go and whether or not it would be ruined, and posted in the first message that he hoped it woudn't be ruined.
I should not have attempted to be stylish ("must... not... ruin thread") when suggesting to LJ that there would be a better place for the discussion of Mari smoking. This increased the chances that people would misinterpret me.
When trying vainly to discuss the complete idiocy of a CO-poisoned person smoking, I should have removed the personal aspect by discussing it as if there was some non-involved person I was dealing with.
I should have known that calling Mari an idiot would result in her total spazzing out in order to get even more and bloodier attention.
I should never EVER have taken the resulting bait.
I do, however, stand by my words on the matter. It was not mean of me to prevent the original thread from being ruined. It was not mean of me to start a thread to discuss the matter. It was mean of me to call her an idiot, but that meanness is called-for.
Tonch your instinctive reaction is to post a long message because - oh my ghod they're attacking her and they could well be attacking me! - but you are an entirely different being, despite the fact that your circumstances have some similarities. I am kind of thinking that if you knew that smoking aggravated your condition, if you knew that it might put you back on that table and redouble your expenses, you, like, wouldn't do it.
Evidence: smoking would totally aggravate your condition, and thus you don't smoke. Right?
But if ya did, should we pat you on the back for it, or slap you in the face? Or should we just ignore you, if we have nothing but contempt for what you say.
I don't know. But I prefer honesty to coddling.
(P.S. And how mean is it really, to give a Borderline Personality negative attention? That's what they wanted in the first place. That's why they are here. The whole thing is a farce and frankly you are falling for it... just like I did.)
The whole thing is a farce and frankly you are falling for it... just like I did.)
I give LJ some credit here because I recall he was the first one to "go public" that Mari was a fraud. And I don't think anyone owes anyone an apology for not putting up with it.
Part of my intent was to prevent the tobacco thread from being ruined by the controversy.
I suppose I should have just let the original thread be ruined. Although its creator had PMd me specifically to ask where a tobacco thread should go and whether or not it would be ruined, and posted in the first message that he hoped it woudn't be ruined.
I should not have attempted to be stylish ("must... not... ruin thread") when suggesting to LJ that there would be a better place for the discussion of Mari smoking. This increased the chances that people would misinterpret me.
When trying vainly to discuss the complete idiocy of a CO-poisoned person smoking, I should have removed the personal aspect by discussing it as if there was some non-involved person I was dealing with.
I should have known that calling Mari an idiot would result in her total spazzing out in order to get even more and bloodier attention.
I should never EVER have taken the resulting bait.
I do, however, stand by my words on the matter. It was not mean of me to prevent the original thread from being ruined. It was not mean of me to start a thread to discuss the matter. It was mean of me to call her an idiot, but that meanness is called-for.
Tonch your instinctive reaction is to post a long message because - oh my ghod they're attacking her and they could well be attacking me! - but you are an entirely different being, despite the fact that your circumstances have some similarities. I am kind of thinking that if you knew that smoking aggravated your condition, if you knew that it might put you back on that table and redouble your expenses, you, like, wouldn't do it.
Evidence: smoking would totally aggravate your condition, and thus you don't smoke. Right?
But if ya did, should we pat you on the back for it, or slap you in the face? Or should we just ignore you, if we have nothing but contempt for what you say.
I don't know. But I prefer honesty to coddling.
(P.S. And how mean is it really, to give a Borderline Personality negative attention? That's what they wanted in the first place. That's why they are here. The whole thing is a farce and frankly you are falling for it... just like I did.)
I sure as hell did and it did kill my thread. Which could have been a nice thread. Someone with her professed condition has no business inhaling smoke.
This whole thing got so blown out of proportion, but at the same time it seems that is has been coming for a long time and has been a purge of sorts.
Unfortunately, I doubt that anyone will get to the true bottom of the story.
People with emphysema or lung cancer have no business inhaling smoke but they do.
I think Peter Jennings was a liar. He smoked so he must not have had lung cancer. I bet he died of a heroin overdose.
I had a teacher in high school who had lost a lung to cancer, and she still smoked like a chimney. Was it stupid? Sure, but so is smoking in the first place. When it comes down to it, it's like a thin person sitting down with a deep dish meat lovers' pizza, and scolding a fat person for having some. Sure, maybe the thin person has a great metabolism, and could eat three pizzas without a problem, but they just look like a jerk.
It's like a thin person sitting down with a deep dish meat lovers' pizza, and scolding a fat person for having some.
Only if you had to pay for his pizza because the alergic reaction he gets from pepperoni prevents him from supporting himself.
I was not scolding, just commenting... and UT was just commenting as well.
This is a discussion board the last time I checked, or am I confused about that?
Only if you had to pay for his pizza because the alergic reaction he gets from pepperoni prevents him from supporting himself.
I'll send you $0.00001 (rounded down) if that really bothers you.
I was not scolding, just commenting... and UT was just commenting as well.
This is a discussion board the last time I checked, or am I confused about that?
I wasn't really referring to you, but UT and LJ really were scolding.
Tonch your instinctive reaction is to post a long message because - oh my ghod they're attacking her and they could well be attacking me! - but you are an entirely different being, despite the fact that your circumstances have some similarities. I am kind of thinking that if you knew that smoking aggravated your condition, if you knew that it might put you back on that table and redouble your expenses, you, like, wouldn't do it.
No, my instinctive reaction is to defend my friends. I don't defend what they DO, I defend THEM, based on whether or not they are being treated fairly. Do not misunderstand, I believe YOU were correct and I said so right out front. And believe me, Mari is going to hear plenty from me about that smoking, if for no other reason that it will prevent me from ever visiting her because my lungs seize up when there is cigarette smoke around. Darn right I know better than to smoke; although my dad was a tobacco broker I have never smoked a cigarette in my life, and yet I still have permanent lung damage as a result of heavy exposure to second-hand smoke from the day I was born. My posting had nothing whatever to do with justifying my own existence or condition by justifying Mari. I was only trying to show that extraordinary problems in one's life lead to often completely different responses, that everybody has to find their own ways of dealing with it, and especially, that conditions which restrict oxygen to your brain can severely limit your ability to carry on normally. I do not think that you, UT were being "mean" to her, what I am saying is that as an Administrator, whom I admire greatly, I believe it was inappropriate to single out another member for attack by your own initative. I have caught myself doing that before on my other forum and regretted it, it's rather like if the Alpha Dog takes the first bite it psychologically justifies the slaughter that follows so the frenzy is even greater in the pack. It didn't "feel right", no matter what the justification, you are too noble to let yourself be dragged in to something like this.
To LJ: That was no diatribe, my dear. To write a diatribe you have to be freshly angry and my ability to sit down and react to every post I see is greatly limited. It allows me to think about what I say, an indulgence which you seem to rarely have. I wasn't with you right out of the gate because it took me more than a week to even FIND this thread since it was in a forum which I did not know had been created. The computer time I can put in has to be dedicated primarily to my work at another website, where they are counting on me to be there even if I am only able to stand and page through all the hundreds of posts per day until my 2am shift is over. When it takes 2 days of standing/walking/sitting to get what you feel onto a page, it allows you to net it out and say what needs to be said. I NEED to defend somebody who, yes, I believe does not have a mean bone in their body. How and why I believe that is based on my personal knowledge and experience with her, just like my personal experience with you has convinced me that you play with your dick too much. I did not insult or attack anybody by giving my opinion, did you believe yours was the only opinion allowed? You believe you are justified in attacking Mari on the fine points, and why shouldn't you? That is totally your right. If somebody can't post consistent statements, they have left themselves open to being both corrected and rejected. I knew before the first remark you ever made to me here that unless you thought I was a 5' 8" nympho with a 40" bustline and blond hair past my waist, you were also going to treat me like shit. That doesn't worry me in the least. You are what you are, and The Cellar would not be nearly as interesting if we did not have all kinds. I cock you very much, and have a nice dick.
To Beestie: Thank you for your kind words, that was appreciated. I'll post a photo of the gunk they took out of me, it is gross enough to enchant little kids and CSI fans. The operation took 12 hours because they pack you in ice first to lower your body temp to about 60 before taking your heart and lungs offline and draining all the blood out of your arteries. Afterwards, they have to jump start you again and thaw you out and keep you in a coma for 24 hours to be sure the hypertension is dropping and you don't develop pneumonia. The procedure is called a Pulmonary Thromboendarterectomy and I was only the 1,910th person in the world it has been performed on. UCSD gave me a T-shirt which says that. It's a fascinating operation, I wish I could have stayed up to watch, like I did for the two heart caths they performed before it.
what I am saying is that as an Administrator, whom I admire greatly, I believe it was inappropriate to single out another member for attack by your own initative.
Yeah, I'm the one user who's never supposed to do that, because I'm the one who bought the place, built the place, and does all the work on it.
Can I do it under another user name?
yes. i reccomend you register "Cockloggerman"
yes. i reccomend you register "Cockloggerman"
Yeah, I'm the one user who's never supposed to do that, because I'm the one who bought the place, built the place, and does all the work on it.
Can I do it under another user name?
At risk of stating the obvious, J R "Bob" Dobbs?
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That said, you have another hat.
As an active member of the board you make posts. Those posts reflect your views, opinions, experience, knowledge and biases, just like every other poster.
It's a shame that a lot of people (not TW)can't recognize which hat you're wearing and defer to your admin position, rather than debate. It puts you in a position (with some people)where you're not always right, but never wrong. That sucks, because it's no fun for you and with all you put into this board you deserve to have fun here.
I repeat again,....and again,....and again.....:mad:
yes. i reccomend you register "Cockloggerman"
:lol:
I just thought I'd add that I have nothing to add to this thread.
Well added, I would like to add.
To LJ: That was no diatribe, my dear. To write a diatribe you have to be freshly angry and my ability to sit down and react to every post I see is greatly limited. It allows me to think about what I say, an indulgence which you seem to rarely have. I wasn't with you right out of the gate because it took me more than a week to even FIND this thread since it was in a forum which I did not know had been created. The computer time I can put in has to be dedicated primarily to my work at another website, where they are counting on me to be there even if I am only able to stand and page through all the hundreds of posts per day until my 2am shift is over. When it takes 2 days of standing/walking/sitting to get what you feel onto a page, it allows you to net it out and say what needs to be said. I NEED to defend somebody who, yes, I believe does not have a mean bone in their body. How and why I believe that is based on my personal knowledge and experience with her, just like my personal experience with you has convinced me that you play with your dick too much. I did not insult or attack anybody by giving my opinion, did you believe yours was the only opinion allowed? You believe you are justified in attacking Mari on the fine points, and why shouldn't you? That is totally your right. If somebody can't post consistent statements, they have left themselves open to being both corrected and rejected. I knew before the first remark you ever made to me here that unless you thought I was a 5' 8" nympho with a 40" bustline and blond hair past my waist, you were also going to treat me like shit. That doesn't worry me in the least. You are what you are, and The Cellar would not be nearly as interesting if we did not have all kinds. I cock you very much, and have a nice dick.
so, you're saying that your polished and composed nondiatribe is better than real, honest, in the moment comments like mine? If you take a whole day to write a response, don't you find that you might stray from the original feeling you had when inspired to post?
Do you feel like you've got me sussed? I play with my dick too much? is that even possible? believe me when i tell you that when i touch it, it's pretty much all business.
And why play the woman basher card? what other women have i been disrespectful to apart from mari? what made you think i'd treat you like shit? please remember that in my book, mari = flippant = atropos....and maybe one other......so count them as one.
actually, i've heard this enough now that i think a reckoning is in order.
here are the women(limited to those i have interacted with on a semi regular basis) i can think of off the top of my head, and whether or not i've treated them like shit or any other type of body waste:
wolf.....once maybe twice took a little shot at her, but in fun only and she proll didnt even notice.
dagney....only in self defense
stacyv......uhm, yeah i guess maybe....but damn.....
brianna...only once, and it was by accident
clodfobble.....never did
sunsparkz.......not on purpose
pie....nope
dar512( just kidding)
garnet......yes, but it was fun ,and she lked it
luvbugz.....you had to know her (think skysidhe but worse)...MAYBE
onyxcougar......argued a bit, but never attacked on a personal level
case......wouldn't dream of it
ladysycamore......meh?
brigliadore......no
catwoman
danaC.......i get these last two mized up. i think i got sick of one of them
labrat.......nope
if marichiko was black, do you think she'd have you convinced that i was a racist?
i'm a normal guy. and i'm honest about how i feel. i never said
ban marichiko, i said stop believing her bullshit. is that so wrong???
i never said ban marichiko
Nobody did, except herself. Unfortunately she did it in such a way, she deserved a grapefruit in the kisser.:(
wolf.....once maybe twice took a little shot at her, but in fun only and she proll didnt even notice.
There is a difference between din't notice, and din't mind.
I have a sense of the you in real life vs. the persona. Even if you are a
car salesman <----intention tweak. ;)
You know I like you, LJ.
give us a kiss, then, poopsie!
:kiss:
give us a kiss, then, poopsie!
:kiss:
we used to have a dog named poopsie. :)
Mari never came back, did she?
Not yet, anyway. She moved to a new home. Probably a case of having to wait for a phone line. Can't see her giving up like that...
we used to have a dog named poopsie. :)
Is that because she did a whoopsie (or maybe poopsie suits just as well...?)
Is that because she did a whoopsie (or maybe poopsie suits just as well...?)
I dunno, my Mom named her. A dog we had a few years before she had named Poocher. So who knows.
Not yet, anyway. She moved to a new home. Probably a case of having to wait for a phone line. Can't see her giving up like that...
Yup, out here in the sticks, you have to wait a god-awful time for a phone line.
I have wondered about returning to this board yet one more time. The thought crosses my mind to do it for spite, but that’s hardly a productive use of my time. I’ve made some good friends here, and they are what draw me back.
I find it ironic that I have been as open and honest on this board as on very few others that I frequent, yet it is on this board, that certain people continue to accuse me of lying. This interests me for more reasons than one.
I want to someday write my story, and, naturally, I’d like to be believed. In all due humility, I think mine is a story that needs to be told. And I’m very curious about the psychology of the response of “normies.” Patrick can write about his son, and that’s OK, but God forbid that a person with a disability ever speak up for themselves.
My theory is that people don’t believe me because I don’t come off a stereotypical person with neurological damage – whatever that stereotype might be. I write too well, for one thing, although my spelling is a source of constant mirth around here.
And I think, also, that for some people it is scarey to contemplate falling out of the safe middle class as I have due to a disability. We don’t want to believe that very bad things can happen to decent, hard working people here in the good old USA.
For the record, I worked for 30 years until I gradually became too ill to continue due to prolonged, chronic carbon monoxide exposure. I had been at various times, a professor, a teacher, and the head of a library. At the end I was getting fired from janitorial jobs – one of them, ironically enough, for a car dealership. I ended up becoming homeless for about three months until I was finally awarded my SSDI. My award sum is low because I stupidly continued to try to work for car dealerships, etc., for very low wages. SSDI is weighed most heavily toward your recent quarters of earnings.
I have a car because I was able to buy a second hand one from my SSDI back pay. SSDI is no more welfare than old folks accepting their social security check is every month, BTW. My ex who turned out to be a very clever con made mincemeat of me because my memory of the years right after the CO exposure is non existant. I estimate that he got away with around $13,000, but I’ll never know for sure.
Flippant/Atropos is a real person who sometimes used my computer and is not me. I sometimes drink a glass of cheap wine. I smoke tobacco cigarettes.
By the way, gas in my part of the world is $3.10/gal. :neutral:
Oh, and I just went back through and read a few of the posts on this god-awful long thread. I love the diagnosis of BPD made by someone who has never even met me or talked to me in person. Wolf has a degree in geography, I beleive, and Brianna - well, I won't go there although she obviously has no compunction about making that trip herself.
I am not even going to discuss such a ridiculous diagnosis further. Life is too short.
It was asked in another thread "Is it real" as in here, in the cellar, are people really who they say they are? Seems that at least a few people find this to be important, and most, if not all, answered in the affirmative. If it's not real, if we are not who we say we are, if people are free to make shit up as they go along, to sound more interesting, to prop up their own ego's, to win arguments - whatever... what is the point? Why are we wasting our time here - have they canceled television or something?
If truth, honesty, integrity, whatever you want to call it, have no value here, if everyone thinks this is all made up, then no one believes anyone about anything. I think we're seeing a bit of that now, like with Bruce for example.
Marichiko has a habit of telling stories that are not water tight, they leave room for doubt. That can't be said of everyone here, which is why I imagine not everyone is questioned like she is - or maybe it's becuase she's the only female here, I don't know for sure. But in my experience, when engaged in a debate, marichiko defaults to using a personal example to support whatever claim she has made, one which is often highly questionable.
For example; the Clarity Rose thread. Marichiko was questioned about the process for obtaining a housing voucher, and questioned about the lack of housing available. A link to what appeared to be exactly what marichiko said didn't exist was offered. She claimed to have personally visited the home in that link (chosen at random from hundreds in the state of CO) just the week before - and went on to claim that the homes listed on web sites like the one offered were actually never available (the web site obviously being maintained just to fuck with people).
Blech! Why am I going back and reading this garbage? At any rate, Ms. Honesty and Integrity, Cortez, Colorado where those apartments were listed is just a 18 minute drive from where I currently live in Mancos. Go check it out on Google since you never beleive me. I visited this area twice last summer in anticipation of my move. I had a long discussion with the manager who explained to me that NOTHING was currently available at that particular apartment complex and when something DID become available, they liked to give the apartments to families. I doubt if you picked that location at random. You and LJ seem to have a fondness for the 4-Corners area, as do I. I get to live out here now - nyah, nyah.
Another example is in a thread about Walmart, mari claims that she was cheated out of benefits by a dept. store where she worked. When questioned about the obligation to pay benefits, to provide a link showing that benefits are a [federal] requirement for full time employment- her response? "Find your own link, sorry, I speak from experience" Hmm, yeah, that's a satisfying debate, but then, I suppose I was kicking her wheelchair by even asking about it. Well, I did find my own link. What was mari's reaction to finding out she wasn't cheated and her personal experience was not accurately conveyed? " Whatever. Believe what you want. Its nothing to me."
Indeed. It is something to some of us though.
Its something to me, too, but why bother with arguing with little Ms. Stand by Her Man? I could state that the sky is blue, and you respond back self righteously that the sky happens to be grey today where you are. Well, its blue in the Durango/Mancos/Cortez area, girlfriend. Sorry you have to live on the soggy, smoggy East Coast. Too bad about the guy you're married to, also.
PS I don't know why the first part of my response came out blue underlined.
.......arguing with little Ms. Stand by Her Man? I could state that the sky is blue, and you respond back self righteously that the sky happens to be grey today where you are. ......
has it never occurred to you that Jinx is fully capable of formulating her own opinions? Is the shadow I cast so long that she is consumed by it? Is it not possible that she gets me all wound up and I harangue you because I don't care if I piss you off or offend you? May it not be that my opinions are colored by hers, not hers by mine? She does, after all have much more free time.
Is this the wrong time to add how much I always hated that song?
re: stand by your man.
oh my gawd and the Dixie Chicks did a cover too!
* where's that ferkin fainting emoticon when ya need one*
[FONT=Verdana][SIZE=5][SIZE=2] Sometimes it's hard to be a woman
Giving all your love to just one man
You'll have bad times and he'll have good times
Doing things that you don't understand
But if you love him please forgive him
Even though he's hard to understand
And if you love him, whoa be proud of him
'Cause after all he's just man
Stand by your man
Give him two arms to cling to
And something warm to come to
When the nights are cold and lonely
Stand by your man
And show the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can
Stand by your man
And if you love him, whoa be proud of him
'Cause after all he's just a man
Stand by your man
Give him two arms to cling to
And something warm to come to
When the nights are cold and lonely
Stand by your man
And show the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can
Stand by your man
.................bleh
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It's hard to decide which gender the song presents a lower opinion of...
...but I love the Blues Brothers cover.
....blues brothers aye?
I think it presents a low opinion of the person who wrote it:P
There's a certain irony about someone who's been poisoned by carbon monoxide moving to a state whose abbreviation is CO.
Heh! I've lived in Colorado much of my life. Oddly enough, CO does seem to have a slightly higher than average number of deaths due to CO poisoning.:rolleyes:
Heh! I've lived in Colorado much of my life. Oddly enough, CO does seem to have a slightly higher than average number of deaths due to CO poisoning.
Partly due to a slight shortage of O, I'd guess.
Ms. Stand by Her Man?
I think you got that backwards, Mari. I get the impression that Jinx is the Deity and LJ the devoted worshiper in that household.
Methinks the boy's in love.:D
Well, if the boy has ANY sense he is. He ought to spend more time with the little lady and less thinking up ways to dis strangers or hanging out in the men's room at the dealership.
Would you be a mod, Bruce? Pretty please?
Would you be a mod, Bruce? Pretty please?
I'd slap half of ya upside the head and the other half would straighten out damn quick. :lol2:
I'd slap half of ya upside the head and the other half would straighten out damn quick. :lol2:
Oooooh! I love it when you talk dirty to me, Bruce!:love:
;)
I'd slap half of ya upside the head and the other half would straighten out damn quick. :lol2:
Oh Bruce, you say the nicest things