Flint is a jerk
Nothing in this world, and I mean nothing, is sweeter than [COLOR="Red"]my name in a thread title[/COLOR].
so.......the horse has left the barn then. you write what you write for the recognition. for the fame. for adulation of the masses. you want to be famous. you want to see your name in lights. you'll be famous, king of the world. if they could just see how different you are. how unique, how striking.
o/' o/' You're gonna win, straight to the top, king of the world, you'll never stop. o/' o/^
yep. a jerk
@lumberjim: Your post made me smile. They were right about you, you are funny.
LJ serves the ball to himself and spikes it over the net.
Nothing in this world, and I mean nothing, is sweeter than [COLOR="Red"]my name in a thread title[/COLOR].
As they say in Public Relations firms, good news / bad news, just spell my name right. Ignoring me would be death.
:: sigh ::
That's my thoughts.
EDIT:
One screen name per person. Don't use a second screen-name (or anonymous name) just to have another name to hide behind.
why hide? you'll never be critisized for calling flint a jerk
@Kagen4o4: It's triple-reverse-anonymous-psychology. Since the thread is so benignly negative, to the degree that is wasn't necesary to hide behind another screen name to post it, the device is that hiding behind the screen name is really a way of obscuring the fact that this user felt compelled to make a thread about me, and they didn't want it to be construed as acknowledging me, in a any way, under their actual username. In other words, they don't want anybody to know that they can't stop thinking about me.
Flint is a challenge most of you have failed to meet.
As was Jochser, by the way.
@mijsnomis: Isn't it funny that jochser's banned thread was rolling along just fine?
I'm quite sure Joch wanted to banned, that it was inevitable that he be banned, and that he wanted to make a point about this forum by being banned. The point was that he didn't want any of us to get too comfortable in a forum that has censorship in place. Other than that, he was just being himself. We've had years to figure him out, and the people here could not be expected to have the time or take the interest to do that. You, I expect, they'll get used to.
Of course, of course, you make perfect sense as usual.
Jochser rhymes with martyr?
This place was founded in 1990, and it has had plenty of time to figure out lots of different usertypes, including the ones who feel it's important to take a big steaming crap all over the board to make the point that there is censorship. They come along every six months or so. It's nothing new.
AND the ones who feel compelled to defend people who take a big steaming crap all over the board. Seen them too. Watched them leave, waved goodbye, continued to have a nice forum with people who care deeply about it.
If you take a big steaming crap all over the board, you will be IP banned. If you stay long enough to care about the place, you will HOPE this happens.
You should see the private messages I'm getting, begging me to do it before, thanking me for it after!
We've had years to figure out what a good forum is, and you and your little snotty attitude are clearly not taking the time or the interest in what we are.
And LJ, wrong approach this time buddy, you made this harder this time...
@barefoot serpent: Do you subscribe to Zappa's Church of American Secular Humanism (C.A.S.H.)?
My favorite part is how we keep getting lectured about how "misunderstood" some of the AGers are - as if we're a bunch of goofballs who just don't get how special some of them are.
I don't mind newcomers but I don't need a month to figure out what is obvious after five minutes. Let the bodies pile up in the hallway if that's what it takes. The AGers who really want to be here will stay and the ones who are in love with the smell of their own adolescent farts will eventually crap their pants and leave.
My favorite part is how we keep getting lectured
Who is lecturing who?
I don't mind newcomers but I don't need a month to figure out what is obvious after five minutes
You must realize that statement could be interpreted as a snap-judgement based on limited data, compounded by the lack of a sense of humor, right?
It takes years to get to know someone, even in real life. On the internet all we have are these attempts at communication
via text, which is not much to go on. Too many other factors invloved.
You must realize that statement could be interpreted as a snap-judgement based on limited data
Flint
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Who is lecturing who?
Flint is a challenge most of you have failed to meet.
As was Jochser, by the way.
And that's just in this thread.
I thought I was fairly polite about it.
Where's that dead horse when we need him?
And LJ, wrong approach this time buddy, you made this harder this time...
what? harder for who? which approach? the sock puppets, or my being mean to them in a general sense?
flint's M.O.:
You're walking along the side walk. Flint waves to you as you walk by. As you pass him, he takes out a short 2X4 and swats you on the back of the head. You turn to confront him, and he hides it behind his back. You say, "Whay did you do that? Why would you hit me with a 2X4?"
then he says, "I didn't. I was just reminding you what it feels like to be hit with a 2X4"
Serving up your own ball, that was just meanness and empty-threadedness for its own sake, which I though was basically the main complaint.
lumberjim. Case in point, regarding how long it takes to get to know someone. At first people kept saying "where's LJ?" or "we need LJ" or "LJ is so funny" or "we love you LJ" and I was thinking I didn't know what was so great about him. After a while, though, he gets really funny, like now. I could have judged him right off the bat, but instead I took the time to get a grasp of his technique, and now I see he is really rather insightful, and funny.
Serving up your own ball, that was just meanness and empty-threadedness for its own sake, which I though was basically the main complaint.
oh yeah. right. of course it was. not too mean, tho, cuz everyone knows those are me. except the new guys, maybe. oh, and i was on my third rum and coke. nyuk nyuk nyuk.
The profiles indicated that their identity wasn't intended to be a secret.
oh yeah. right. of course it was. not too mean, tho, cuz everyone knows those are me. except the new guys, maybe. oh, and i was on my third rum and coke. nyuk nyuk nyuk.
Making bloody mary's here right now. STRONG. My posting may get interesting.
Lucky for you, Steve, it seems "drunken posting" is, in fact, allowed here.
I'm quite sure Joch wanted to banned, that it was inevitable that he be banned, and that he wanted to make a point about this forum by being banned. The point was that he didn't want any of us to get too comfortable in a forum that has censorship in place.
If censorship means that I don't have to waste my time reading mindless pejorative drivel, great. Vive la censorship. I've used a lot of naughty words, written unpopular opinions and even levelled a few insults and unkind words at Cellarites in my time here, yet *never* have I been censored.
Who the hell is jochser to come in and give unsolicited censorship lessons? I don't need them. People who use online services make one critical error - they almost always assume that they can say and do anything they wish, but they can't...unless they own the service. Therefore, UT *can* say and do anything he wants. *I* cannot, and I accept this as a term of service here. If Jochser wants to conduct an Internet Freedom of PooPoo Speech course, let him/her/it damn well buy his/her/its own server and bandwidth, and go for it. Otherwise...piss off.
Lucky for you, Steve, it seems "drunken posting" is, in fact, allowed here.
So is stoned posting, so is high on (insert drug of your choice) posting. So is sober posting.
Its not quite 3:00pm here in Colorado, but I just KNOW its 5:00 SOMEWHERE. (Now where did I stash that bottle of vodka?) :rolleyes:
***TWEET!!!*** Foul! Quoting an overplayed country song, two beer penalty, your cooler. Play on.
You don't drink at 3:00 there?
Excellent bloody mary, btw. Love my recipe.
Sorry to be a party-pooper, but this thread is getting a little chatty. Please stop having fun.
We're sorry...would it help if I threw in two or three paragraphs of profanity worthy of a Marine Drill Sargeant, or perhaps posted a picture or two of Goatse Man? :rolleyes:
***TWEET!!!*** Foul! Quoting an overplayed country song, two beer penalty, your cooler. Play on.
Heh! My give a damn's busted. Besides, I don't have any beer. Will vodka do? *Hands Patrick a tall citrus vodka and tonic* :lol:
You don't drink at 3:00 there?
Remind me to tell you my Colorado joke, sometime. Say, you're not from Texas or Cali, are you? :p
Sorry to be a party-pooper, but this thread is getting a little chatty. Please stop having fun.
Oh, you're just mad because we stopped talking about you. Here, have a vodka and tonic, and I'll turn up the country-western jukebox just for you. :rolleyes:
Say, you're not from Texas or Cali, are you?
I'm from Texas.
You wanna fight about it? Let me know, because I don't.
I'm from Texas. You wanna fight about it? Let me know, because I don't.
PERFECT! No, I don't wanna fight about it. Wanna hear my joke?
It takes years to get to know someone, even in real life. On the internet all we have are these attempts at communication via text, which is not much to go on. Too many other factors invloved.
I disagree. The people here know me really well and I've only been here about two years. They give me sage advice and tell me things that i am too afraid to tell myself. You guys, you AGer's, are not interested in getting to know anyone or being known. Your main obsession seems to be to prove how very, very unique you all are. You are all fucking boring. And, yes, I have tried to like you.
Okay, I've been gone for a couple of weeks, and this is pretty much the first thread I've read (with one exception that I don't even remember). Who are all these new people?
They came over when an unmoderated group died, and some immediately started trying to test the limits of the moderation here. One was successful.
My give a damn's busted.
:lol: First time I've heard that one.
um. No one cares?
P fuckin' Ess--
you don't know me!
I hate my generation sometimes...
***TWEET!!!*** Foul! Quoting an overplayed country song, two beer penalty, your cooler. Play on.
OK Elspode. you've just summited Mt. Squirrel Nutkin!
I love it!
Serving up your own ball, that was just meanness and empty-threadedness for its own sake, which I though was basically the main complaint.
I hope you didn't take my post as a complaint. I thought of it as rather a compliment. (it is LJ we're talking about) I think the vets here know lj's M.O. and well...
CUBA LIBRE!
PERFECT! No, I don't wanna fight about it. Wanna hear my joke?
Mari, you taunting vixen. will you tell us the joke or do you want us to beg you? Is that your thing now? making grown men grovel? Have you and Bri been trading recipes?
What is the joke?
Lucky for you, Steve, it seems "drunken posting" is, in fact, allowed here.
If you had been
here at the cellar instead of
at an orgy, listening to Mick Jagger and bad-mouthing your country
you'd have known that.
Mari, you taunting vixen. will you tell us the joke or do you want us to beg you? Is that your thing now? making grown men grovel? Have you and Bri been trading recipes?
What is the joke?
Yes, Bri and I have entered into a plot to avenge all womenkind. ;) Actually, I'm fairly certain I've posted the joke somewhere around here before. Its the one about the Californian, the Coloradoan, and the Texan. But since Flint doesn't want hear it, I won't subject the rest of you to it twice. Once was bad enough!
Will you be starting by picking a man and subjecting him to humiliation and degradation until he begs for mercy? If so, I'm free next weekend... :lol:
We're sorry...would it help if I threw in two or three paragraphs of profanity worthy of a Marine Drill Sargeant, or perhaps posted a picture or two of Goatse Man? :rolleyes:
Yes Sir! Please Sir! throw in Full Metal Jacket jargin! ... um..SIR!
Yes Sir! Please Sir! throw in Full Metal Jacket jargin! ... um..SIR!
That's "
SIR, yes
SIR." Now drop and give me twenty.
Will you be starting by picking a man and subjecting him to humiliation and degradation until he begs for mercy? If so, I'm free next weekend...
:corn:
:shock::whip:
:corn:
I disagree. The people here know me really well and I've only been here about two years. They give me sage advice and tell me things that i am too afraid to tell myself. You guys, you AGer's, are not interested in getting to know anyone or being known. Your main obsession seems to be to prove how very, very unique you all are. You are all fucking boring. And, yes, I have tried to like you.
Hello Brianna. Sage is great and effective like no other.
Its to be used when neccesary, and with specific AGer's, swiftly.
I have one problem with what you've stated above.
It's your generalization of AGer's.
I've been at AG for 7 years now, and although I've been posting beside a lot of users for many years, I've failed to meet them all on a conversational level. Yet I have quite a few which I have communicated with since the start. AGer's are not a group of like-minded people at all.
One of the reasons you got a few of the worst kinds here is because no other place would have them, or because they support a forum of their own and wish to infect any competitive sites with problems so that others will avoid and go to their creations.
Now I've stated before that there are plenty of class A people at AG that are either already here or that are looking in, contemplating entry.
This AGer bashing although it may seem just, is simply not, as others that respect the place enough to either watch before entering/posting to see how this place works will now be more hesitant than they should be.
You should welcome each and every user that comes in here wether they be from AG or somewhere else equally.
I despise more AGers than any of you, that's for sure, but also have grown attached to other AGers, and feel very privledged to have met them, as will you if you get a chance to meet them, but allow the door to be open for them. I see some have recently entered! :love:
Oh, and Flint is alright in my books...certainly not a jerk ...just different.
I disagree. The people here know me really well and I've only been here about two years. They give me sage advice and tell me things that i am too afraid to tell myself. You guys, you AGer's, are not interested in getting to know anyone or being known. Your main obsession seems to be to prove how very, very unique you all are. You are all fucking boring. And, yes, I have tried to like you.
Quite the contrary. I was at AG for 4 years. Many ager's met in real life, some were married, some are great friends. We have had AGer's die and we mourn. We ask one another for advice, we cry on one anothers shoulders. We are a family. We give birth we share, our kids do something cute...we share, our children get ill...we share.
You know, we lost our site. We came here and we are trying to get to know you people, Yet many of you...like yourself want to throw rocks and call names and treat us as if we are non human. How do those of you who are abusive expect human beings to react? I for one have gotten a bit tiffed but refrain from outright name calling.
Granted there are some people at ag that I am glad did not come here, and I hope they don't. All sites have their "Trolls", even this one.
The fact that we are taking your abuse and still trying to fit in speaks a lot about us.
the fact we are still being abused speaks a lot about some of the folks here.
I would post an AG Family Photo site that one of our favorite members made, but out of respect for the memory of our Karlos I will not. I don't think I could stand the thought of you people name calling and pointing out physical aspects that just "don't measure up" to your (not lumping, those in particular know who you are) elevated level of self worth.
A Poem I wrote for Karlos:
Come fly come fly into the sky
above the blue way up high
free to roam forever more
no pain my sweet now you can soar
say hi to those who you will see
they also mean so much to me
a smile i have with you to send
along your journey which has no end
sadly missed you will be
selfish tears flow from me
they trace a path where smiles live
at times were there which you did give
to you i give a hearty hug
a kiss i send… with all my love…
Bye Karlos xoxo!
So who does not want to get to know one another?
... So who does not want to get to know one another? ...
We could not tell all that from the first 10,000 posts. It just seemed like a bunch of guys that wanted to see if they could collectively impose their will on a 16 year old forum.
I told you honestly about my DUIs, jail time, and new plan. Yet, I know nothing about you. Thanks alot.
I told you honestly about my DUIs, jail time, and new plan. Yet, I know nothing about you. Thanks alot.
I can tell you things about me, but not on demand. :p
You guys, you AGer's, are not interested in getting to know anyone or being known. Your main obsession seems to be to prove how very, very unique you all are. You are all fucking boring. And, yes, I have tried to like you.
I happen to agree with this with all my heart.
There has been many people that have left AG WAY before it ever went down. I looked into this site a couple months back but only sighed up when I saw agers Like a flock of vultures smelling of carrion bringing their crap here. :D
and do I think what's his name is a jerk? I don't think my personal opinion is the important thing however obvious it is. but I sure as hell think karma is grand right about now and enjoy watching skewed ideologies getting flushed.
skysidhe is 2owls and was on the boards for years. you are an ager. just one that very few cared for.
skysidhe is 2owls and was on the boards for years. you are an ager. just one that very few cared for.
~What Flows From Your Fingertips Is A Reflection Of Your Heart~~ Chey~~
skysidhe is 2owls and was on the boards for years. you are an ager. just one that very few cared for.
one can have a good heart yet still recognize those who stab others in the back. ;)
CATFIGHT!
[COLOR=seagreen][greenVisor][/COLOR] Step right up and place your bets! [COLOR=seagreen][/Visor][/COLOR]
What the fuck happened to this place?
I remember the name 2owls. Well, I'm sorry if you didn't like me there, sky, hope things go better here. I don't remember you being good or bad or whatever on AG. I don't think you and I ever had any problems though. I never let anyone bother me, so to me there were no "bad" AG'ers.
We really may all be jerks, but we had a weird symmetry on AG.
I find that people like myself, that have a bit of an inflated ego (compensating for a hidden inferiority complex) don't do well when I'm just being myself on a message board. I do like to kid around and be sarcastic, and I get along with the other "easy going" people; but, the ego thing fixates me on me. I really only am interested in my little world. When other people want to talk about my stuff, I like that. But I don't go into too many other threads. Here it's been a little different, because the topic of AG is part of MY world, so threads about AG interest me.
Anyway, I'm trying to be a little more open. It's hard for me to "care" about other people's thread topics when I don't know them. Just screen-names to me. But I see that the threads do well enough, and don't need my input.
So maybe I am a jerk too. I don't mean to be rude to others in the process though. I'm just a bit egocentric.
I may put a more detailed biography in my profile, if people want a better picture of me. Maybe I'll post a picture too. :)
What the ---- happened to this place?
There's been a large influx of Internet refugees due to the recent collapse of a nearby (Audio)Galaxy. We're still assessing the situation, and have tentatively requested UN Humanitarian Aid and Peacekeepers to be on standby.
We really may all be jerks, but we had a weird symmetry on AG.
FWIW (which is very little, I'm sure), here's my most current observation:
When AG'ers first arrive, it is almost as though they are hopped up on some sort of "Internet Forum Crack" or something. However, those who have spent a few days here and done some serious reading and attempted to interact in a manner that is conducive to what The Cellar has historically been about seem to be slowly coming down off of the buzz. From my Cellar-centric point of view, this is an improvement. From the point of view of those who find The Cellar "boring" or otherwise deficient, I can only repeat this: why stay somewhere that bores you or which you dislike? There's lots of Internet forums...seek ye something more attuned to your liking.
Maybe we're not being sympathetic enough to the cold turkey process. We should have set up a halfway house or something to ease the transition, I guess. I can say that I am at least starting to get a little more substance out of the AG'ers who have been here for the longest. I like the trend, anyway.
Understand one thing.
'I' chose my friends.
Most were not by my chosing although I tried to like you. I gravitate toward the smartest and funniest people. So fairly I probably am a pretentious asshole to the kind of mentality that went one there.(here)I don't want it spreading.Thus the alias. Nothing more does a bunch of mental rejects would like to do than argue with me. blah....how incredibly boring. I don't want to argue ok? And look at me now defending myself again. None, not one of my critics, you included chy, has however ever talked to me privately or gotten to know me. I don't even know you so please get out of my face.
The ones that do know me are my friends. I have only two. I am good with that number. Two real life friends are better than a group of cackling hens, or degranged idiots anyday.
If anyone cares, which I doubt they do, they can IM me. Ask me anything. I'll tell them my experiences of a bad story. Until you do, everyone from AG can just shut the fuk up already.
I am finished with this conversation.
thanks
Dammit, my best efforts to make this thread about me have failed.
:lurker:
you want i should start you a jerk thread of your own?
Well, then I'll have another thread about me which is good, but this thread will still have thwarted me. Though, your post has kept the focus on me, and I am appeased by this... for now.
steve, how are you today? what did you do today steve? what is on your mind steve? where you going tonight steve? what are you doing for the weekend steve? where are you steve?
:p
It's hard for me to "care" about other people's thread topics when I don't know them. Just screen-names to me. But I see that the threads do well enough, and don't need my input.
A thread is about it's stated topic, not who posted it, usually. It doesn't matter who wrote it, only what they wrote. Most interesting thread topics could be posted anonymously. :2cents:
;) :gunny:
Zippy, thank you. I have grabasstic pieces of amphibian shit on power replay right now.
There's been a large influx of Internet refugees due to the recent collapse of a nearby (Audio)Galaxy. We're still assessing the situation, and have tentatively requested UN Humanitarian Aid and Peacekeepers to be on standby.
I placed an order for extra ammo, just in case.
I placed an order for extra ammo, just in case.
I stole El's body of armour and helmet. :p
I placed an order for extra ammo, just in case.
I am checking around across the street in hopes of finding REAL dynamite this time. ;)
A thread is about it's stated topic
...and then it drifts, like fifty thousand shoes spilled into the sea from a sunken cargo ship
...and then it drifts, like fifty thousand shoes spilled into the sea from a sunken cargo ship
I think this is the first time I ever heard anyone say that. On a website. Or care.
cool.
___________________________________________________________________
I still am pondering fifty thousand shoes though. :)
Now I'll be trying to sleep dreaming about where all the shoeless people are.
Armor Pierceing ammo ,
do you get that at your local "let's go kill innocent deer" store?
Innocent deer die in forest fires. The rest are food unless they are hit by a car or die of old age.
Innocent deer die in forest fires. The rest are food unless they are hit by a car or die of old age.
NOOOOO! Say it ain't SOOOO!!
I love Deer! They are all "Bambie" to me! *gives yer an evil eye* :evil3:
NOOOOO! Say it ain't SOOOO!!
I love Deer! They are all "Bambie" to me! *gives yer an evil eye* :evil3:
Even when deer die of old age, or being hit by a car they are still food for somthing. Road kill YUMMMMM!!!:yum:
do you get that at your local "let's go kill innocent deer" store?
haha I got a chuckle out of that. :)
I wasn't thinking the ammo was for something like a deer. More along the lines of some mythical creature. Not so grand as a unicorn or pegasus but certainly somekind of centaur or valkries. Something born of fancy and whimsy.
I love Deer! They are all "Bambie" to me! *gives yer an evil eye* :evil3:
I love deer too. I have a recipe for a lovely blackberry marsala sauce somewhere.
And you don't need armor piercing ammo for deer. Unless there are like four standing in a nice row.
I love deer too. I have a recipe for a lovely blackberry marsala sauce somewhere.
And you don't need armor piercing ammo for deer. Unless there are like four standing in a nice row.
ya'all are just mean varmits! I had to progtam the telly to skip over the hunting channel.
:bawling:
In another life I was a fair maiden like snow white sitting in the woods with all the lil birdies, deer and woodland creatures gathering around to hear me sing. so :p
haha I got a chuckle out of that. :)
I wasn't thinking the ammo was for something like a deer. More along the lines of some mythical creature. Not so grand as a unicorn or pegasus but certainly somekind of centaur or valkries. Something born of fancy and whimsy.
zippyt has piercing the armour i stole from El in mind me thinks sky ;)
Cheyenne. I give you Bambie.
![Image](<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/busterb/23332144/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://static.flickr.com/19/23332144_bd29de8837.jpg" width="450" height="337" alt="deer roast" /></a>)
Deer are deadly killers of human beings. Thousands die every year on our highways thanks to "Bambi". Pass me a slice of that venison, Busterb. :yum:
Deer are deadly killers of human beings. Thousands die every year on our highways thanks to "Bambi". Pass me a slice of that venison, Busterb. :yum:
Actually around 100 a year mari. It is humans who have encroached upon their domain.
That looks like roast hambone to me!
We have lots of deer around here. Right in the city. I think they are smarter than us drivers. We havn't hit one yet.
Actually around 100 a year mari. It is humans who have encroached upon their domain.
Yes, excuse me. I was thinking of the over-all crashes caused by deer. Fatalities in 2004 (the most recent year I could find statistics for) were 367.
Yes, the deer were here first. So were their natural predators – the wolf and the cougar. Man has eradicated the wolf from the lower 48 except for the upper Michigan penninsula. Cougars have been hunted heavily, but their population is now making something of a come back.
Without their natural predators to keep the deer population in check, their numbers have sky rocketed and they present a real menace on this nation's highways.
Some fun facts:
The number of deer-vehicle crashes around the country continues to grow. Conover et al. (1995) estimated over 1.5 million deer-vehicle crashes occur annually in the United States. Less than 50% of these collisions are reported. For reported accidents, the estimated damage to vehicles exceeds $1.1 billion and over 1.3 million deer are killed. Romin and Bissonette (1996) estimated that the value of a deer harvested by a hunter was $1,313. Applying this estimate to the number of deer killed that occur in the United States would result in an economic opportunity loss of over $1.7 billion annually.
In addition to these economic losses, deer-vehicle collisions alone result in over 29,000 human injuries and over 200 fatalities (Conover et al. 1995). And the numbers are increasing at an alarming rate. When Henry Ford was first turning out the Model T, only about 500,000 white tails were to be found in the entire U.S., according to the U.S. Biological Survey. In recent times, deer populations have increased from 29.8 million in 1994 to 32.7 million in 2001. Last year, hunters killed 7.4 million deer, drivers killed another 1.8 million, Tragically, DVCs kill more people in the U.S. than do all commercial airlines, train and bus accidents combined in a typical year.
And from The Wall Street Journal:
EMIGRANT, Mont.--Deercrash.com--run by the University of Wisconsin-Madison--is not recommended bedtime reading before a road trip over the river and through the woods to grandmother's house. But it is a reality check on a pullulating U.S. highway hazard. Deer-vehicle crashes in 2003 produced 367 human fatalities. Even for survivors, an encounter with a leaping stag takes a toll: The University of North Carolina's Highway Safety Research Center cites a 1995 study claiming that the property damage from such accidents that year was $1.2 billion.
Deer danger on U.S. highways is reaching epidemic proportions. Take Michigan: The state has an estimated 1.75 million white-tailed deer, and when mating season rolls around, they literally take to the streets. The costs, in life and property, prompted Gov. Jennifer Granholm to declare October "Michigan Car-Deer Crash Safety Awareness Month.""Cougars have been hunted heavily, but their population is now making something of a come back.
Without their natural predators to keep the deer population in check, their numbers have sky rocketed and they present a real menace on this nation's highways."
Yet again.....the fault of humans. The hunter kills the cougar, the hunter says:
"hot diggity festus, we done gots r-selves a bunch of dat-burnt-deers tuh kill! Toss me some chaw ayand a 6-pack and lets go yonder ayand shoots us some of them thar killer deers!"
"Cougars have been hunted heavily, but their population is now making something of a come back.
Without their natural predators to keep the deer population in check, their numbers have sky rocketed and they present a real menace on this nation's highways."
Yet again.....the fault of humans. The hunter kills the cougar, the hunter says:
"hot diggity festus, we done gots r-selves a bunch of dat-burnt-deers tuh kill! Toss me some chaw ayand a 6-pack and lets go yonder ayand shoots us some of them thar killer deers!"
We can foster the protection of the cougar and re-introduce wolves, for one thing. I was nearly killed in a collision with an elk and spent two weeks in the ICU and was a year recovering from my injuries. A friend of mine in western Colorado was also seriously injured in a crash with a deer. When I lived in the small town of Nucla in western Colorado, I know of two people who were killed by highway encounters with deer. The road from Telluride to Naturita, Colorado (about 60 miles) is sheer terror to drive from 3:00 in the afternoon on. It consists of many blind curves and encounters with deer around everyone of them. I hit deer twice on this road and once did a complete 360 as a result of the collision and was almost hit by a large coal truck barreling down the road from the opposite direction. In both these incidents, the deer bounded off into the hills, apparently none the worse for wear.
You bet, Festus, get on out there with your rifles and all your friends.
Innocent deer die in forest fires. The rest are food unless they are hit by a car or die of old age.
Or tripped and fell. You forgot that one.
It is humans who have encroached upon their domain.
Please. 99.99% of all life that has
ever lived on this planet is now extinct. ([url=http://deoxy.org/narbystew.htm]according to Jeremy Narby Phd.[/url}
Humans have only been around about 40,000 years, and maybe we've got another 5,000 years under the sun, if that. Neither humans or the deer are gonna make it, regardless of our encroachment.
BTW, despite how tasty it is, now that BSE has shown up in the deer herds, I'm gonna pass on the vension. It's gettin to be regoddamdiculous. What the hell am I 'sposed to eat now?
It is not the fault of the deer that the roads travel through their territory.
You believe deer should be killed you must also believe that when you travel where they live it is at your own risk and your choice of where you drive.
Blame mankind mari, not the deer.
I take not pitty either on those who hike, jog or what not through cougar territory and get attacked. Those made a choice, just as I do when we hike.
It is not the fault of the deer that the roads travel through their territory.
You believe deer should be killed you must also believe that when you travel where they live it is at your own risk and your choice of where you drive.
Blame mankind mari, not the deer.
I take not pitty either on those who hike, jog or what not through cougar territory and get attacked. Those made a choice, just as I do when we hike.
I beleive the deer population must be brought under control. I think the re-introduction of natural predators is the best way to do so. Its actually kinder to the deer to kill them with a hunter's bullet then have them die of starvation in the winter because the population has increased so enormously that they have exceeded the carrying capacity of their habitat.
You would have the people of western Colorado just pick up and move to Denver. Why should we? We have no choice but to drive down that one stretch of road. Its the only highway between Telluride where there are jobs and Norwood and Naturita/Nucla where people can afford to live. Your proposal that people just stay off the roads is ridiculous.
Cougar attacks on man are fairly rare and nothing compared to the carnage on the highways caused by deer. In all my years driving in Colorado, I have yet to see a group of courgars congregated round the other side of a curve and dash into the middle of the road and just stay there.
I spent 3 months camped alone in lion country and never had a single encounter with one. I used common sense and avoided running around on game trails at dawn or dusk - the times when cougars are most active. Adults who bike or jog in lion country at dusk are asking for it, and I, too, have little sympathy for them.
I prefer the pricing at Cheaper than Dirt, personally.
There's somewhat of a deer population issue around my house too. And I don't see any other means of overpopulation control than controlled hunting of *some* of the deer.
I'd rather have a hunter kill it and make some awesome jerkey than have a greater chance of another two deer running *into* the side of my car going 45 again..
there was fur stuck behind my liscence plate for 3 months.
There's somewhat of a deer population issue around my house too. And I don't see any other means of overpopulation control than controlled hunting of *some* of the deer.
I'd rather have a hunter kill it and make some awesome jerkey than have a greater chance of another two deer running *into* the side of my car going 45 again..
there was fur stuck behind my liscence plate for 3 months.
Ok, i concede, i shall take my hunting bow and start with Bambi. Hopefully they are not wearing any armour.
Page after page talking about... deer?
What about sheep? :sheep:
Sheep are no fun.. they don't run as fast!
What caliber was that Durango anyway, Bruce?
Here's a viewpoint: Man is an animal. Man is a predator. Therefore, we hunt, kill and eat wild game (to supplement our diet of domestic animals, and also to allow us to thin our own herd through hunting accidents). We are simply more efficient than most predators. We are also not as balanced, to our detriment.
If any other predator kills off its entire food source through overhunting, it dies out from starvation. Man has caused situations much more complex than simple overhunting of a single species (pollution, killing off predator species that kept a given prey species in balance, diseases borne by domestic stock, etc). Therefore, when Man has killed off every last living edible thing, Man will die out.
That'll learn us.
We are the bad guys. The worst of all animals.
For those who disagree... name one that is worse.
Blue green algae. They polluted earth's original nice CO2 atmosphere with O2 and THEN look what happened! Little fuckers! :lol:
No species is inherently good or bad. We are what we are. And what we all are is utterly insignificant on the planetary scale. *We* are the only ones who care if we exist or not. The planet could care less.
When we kill off entire species, we injure ourselves. We can feel sorry for them if we want to, but in the end, it is because of our own self interest that we would even think to judge our goodness or evil.
"To cause the extinction of an entire species is illogical." - Mr. Spock
Oh, heck, Patrick. the human species is already headed the way of the trilobite. We have soo polluted our environment, and we have exceeded the carrying capacity of our ecosystem (the earth), already. Look at the massive famines which take place on a regular basis in the third world. Look at the rapid deforestration happening everywhere, especially in the Amazon which is one of the greatest CO2 sinks in the world and also gives off the most O2 which we need to breathe. Its no longer a matter of "if" - only WHEN. Makes me glad I'll be outta here soon. The young 'uns can deal with the end of the human species. :(
If the Christian Right has its way, you won't need to worry about a slow and agonizing death for humanity due to ecosystem damage. They'll serve it up lickety split when they create Armageddon in their haste to fulfill Biblical prophecy.
Does that make Bush the antichrist?
Only if the Antichrist was supposed to be the essentially lobotmized pawn of those who aspired to be the Illuminati.
Look at the massive famines which take place on a regular basis in the third world.
Actual famines are far less prevalant now than say 30 years ago. I don't have statistics to hand, but most of what happens in 'the third word' is a result of conflict, poverty or food shortages due to the rural poor choosing to plant cash crops, like coffee, tobacco instead of maize, sorghum etc in order to get enough money for food.
Actual famines are far less prevalant now than say 30 years ago. I don't have statistics to hand, but most of what happens in 'the third word' is a result of conflict, poverty or food shortages due to the rural poor choosing to plant cash crops, like coffee, tobacco instead of maize, sorghum etc in order to get enough money for food.
BZZZT! Wrong! Two beer penalty for you! The causes of famine are over population, natural disasters like drought, civil wars, poverty, and government incompetancy. From
Wikipedia:
Modern famines have often occurred in nations that, as a whole, were not suffering a shortage of food. The largest famine ever (proportional to the affected population) was the Irish Potato Famine, which began in 1845 and occurred as food was being shipped from Ireland to England because the English could afford to pay higher prices. In a similar manner, the 1973 famine in Ethiopia was concentrated in the Wollo region, although food was being shipped out of Wollo to the capital city of Addis Ababa where it could command higher prices. In contrast, at the same time that the citizens of the dictatorships of Ethiopia and Sudan had massive famines in the late-1970s and early-1980s, the democracies of Botswana and Zimbabwe avoided them, despite having worse drops in national food production. This was possible through the simple step of creating short-term employment for the worst-affected groups, thus ensuring a minimal amount of income to buy food, for the duration of the localized food disruption and was taken under criticism from opposition political parties and intense media coverage.
Because herding and agriculture allow for greater population, both in numbers and in density, the failure of a harvest or the change in conditions, such as drought, can create a situation whereby large numbers of people live where the carrying capacity of the land has dropped radically. Famine is then associated primarily with subsistence agriculture, that is, where most farming is aimed at producing enough food energy to survive. The total absence of agriculture in an economically-strong area does not cause famine; Arizona and other wealthy regions import the vast majority of their food.
Disasters, whether natural or man-made, have been associated with conditions of famine ever since humankind has been keeping written records. The Torah describes how "seven lean years" consumed the seven fat years, and "plagues of locusts" could eat all of the available food stuffs. War, in particular, was associated with famine, particularly in those times and places where warfare included attacks on land, by burning fields, or on those who tilled the soil.I think you misread me. My points were that:
1.Famines are less prevalant now than they were 30 or so years ago.
2.Food shortage was just one of the options I gave for reasons of crisis (I never said the causes of famine are as follows:) (I included conflict didn't I? And poverty?)
I agree with most of the Wikipedia posting (I don't completely trust wikipedia as a source usually). I fail to see where it contradicts what I said.
THIS is the part of your post I disagree with:
food shortages due to the rural poor choosing to plant cash crops, like coffee, tobacco instead of maize, sorghum etc in order to get enough money for food.
That aside, the "green revolution" has only encouraged the practice of what are, at best, dubious agricltural methods and has led to a further population boom in the third world which cannot be sustained over time.
I DO agree that Wikipedia is not the be all and end all of reference sources. ;)
Seriously, is all ^^^this^^^ helping you decide whether I'm a jerk or not?!
I dunno. Are you likely to dash out into the middle of the road in front of me as I come around a blind curve?
What we have here is the fine old Cellar Institution called thread drift. Threads here can meander along like the Mississippi River on a warm summer's day. They are as much about the journey as they are the destination.
Why? Do you want us to start calling you names again? TEXAN! :p
I would like a double beer penalty too.
please
Only if the Antichrist was supposed to be the essentially lobotmized pawn of those who aspired to be the Illuminati.
I think that's assured.
Does that make Bush the antichrist?
Nah, but he's still an ass
damn flint, i was doing so well at hyjacking this thing and here you come back and remind them all. :p
all of this deer-bashing has motivated me to sign up so that i can post. just remember that the deer were here first. we invaded their land the same way that we invaded the native americans land.
Welcome to the Cellar, brianchang. :D
When Henry Ford was first turning out the Model T, only about 500,000 white tails were to be found in the entire U.S., according to the U.S. Biological Survey. In recent times, deer populations have increased from 29.8 million in 1994 to 32.7 million in 2001.
It would appear the other way around. They are trying to overrun us. But that's the way nature works, from microbes to men.
the fine old Cellar Institution called thread drift
As if y'all
invented the message board, and all it's universal qualities.
As if y'all invented the message board, and all it's universal qualities.
Well Our board is still around !!!!
Can't say the same for AG !!
( sorry , low blow )
Actually, AG is back up now.
And chock-full of fascinating
reading material....
:lol2:
Wow. That subject seems rather familiar. Damn censorship advocates.
I checked out a handful of threads on that site. Based on that sample, we really are much better here.
AG's message board is still around. It needed a little breakie.
all of this deer-bashing has motivated me to sign up so that i can post. just remember that the deer were here first. we invaded their land the same way that we invaded the native americans land.
I see it as either one of the following two situations:
1) We were created by Jehovah God, who gave us absolute dominion over all the animals. Bang! Dinner!
2) We evolved side-by-side with the deer, and are therefore their contemporaries. This means that no one was anywhere before anyone else. What, do you think indigenous peoples didn't like a venison haunch every now and again?
Now, if one chooses to be fuzzy-squishy, and not kill or eat deer (etc), then great, that is an individual choice. However, I have to balk at the notion that those who choose to hunt and consume the critters are somehow *wrong*. Also, if we have allowed the population to get out of hand so that we can't help but run over them with our cars, we are also doing them a disservice, but I'm not volunteering to be the one to insert Depo subcutaneous devices to keep them from reproducing.
AG's message board is still around. It needed a little breakie.
That damn thing needs SOMETHING! People spend years of their lives posting to THAT? WHAT-EVER! :eyebrow:
That damn thing needs SOMETHING! People spend years of their lives posting to THAT? WHAT-EVER! :eyebrow:
I could give a Cellarite a user name and they could see what they could do. :D
I would just like to point out that both boards have a thread about me on the first page! Yay me!
tis not just the posting. it is the intravenous feed from the damn place, the im's and the friends we have made for years that we visit.
All ya'all Celery's now have a thread at AG dedicated to you. :)
It's not the first time. ;)
That General discussion board is what is left of AG.
I've been there 7 years and only started posting on it the last 2.
AG began as a satelite music sharring community based on Groups.
Groups which are closed boards where there's an owner & operators.
The serious groups, usually based on specific artists, were of an intelectual level.
They have basically become a thing of the past, but for the majority of time AG was running, the closed groups were the thing.
It's not the first time. ;)
tis the 1st one "I" made for ya. :p
Celery ThreadAll ya'all Celery's now have a thread at AG dedicated to you.
Since I've been peeking in now and then on the banter that was taking place sometime ago, I decided to look. A thread about The Cellar? Some actual discussion on a community from an outside perspective? I was curious! What I found some unrelated cut-n-paste novel followed up with these truly insightful replies:
04/11/06 i'm cooking rice
04/11/06 flied lice?
04/11/06 sounds good
04/11/06 Want me to hum a few bars?
At least one reply made sense. Not only that, but it mirrored the question I repeatedly asked myself as I thumbed through the neighboring posts:
What was the purpose of this thread btw?
Errrr... yeah. I assume the long cut and paste was supposed to be a spoof of some sort? I didn't bother reading through it all. Like Kitsune, I found the replies to be quite enlightening, however. Thanks for the peek inside AG. I guess. :eyebrow:
ah.. I thought you meant Larry Flint... the porn guy.
Errrr... yeah. I assume the long cut and paste was supposed to be a spoof of some sort? I didn't bother reading through it all. Like Kitsune, I found the replies to be quite enlightening, however. Thanks for the peek inside AG. I guess. :eyebrow:
That's because you'd made up your mind before you went. You should read the whole post. :eyebrow:
That's because you'd made up your mind before you went. You should read the whole post. :eyebrow:
:)
tis one of the best stories i have heard. the animation, and delivery of the story in the film is worth the watch, worth a trip to the store or online to purchase.
I have children so it is a 10 in my book for them. it is along the lines of "Snowman" in quality of content. :D
and yes mari, in a way it is a "spoof" i posted it as a joke for all ya'all. ;)
as a matter of fact.... i think i will look for it now, have a sit spell and watch it. tis cold and windy out at the moment. perfect to watch The Man Who Planted Trees.
That's because you'd made up your mind before you went. You should read the whole post. :eyebrow:
I'm sure it was very enlightening, Bruce. Alas, I only have so much time between packing breaks and my eyes began to glaze over when I saw the length of it. I'll take your word that it was a very deep and worthy post, and that the comments which followed after it were in no way a reflection on the OP's true brilliance. :neutral:
I'm sure it was very enlightening, Bruce. Alas, I only have so much time between packing breaks and my eyes began to glaze over when I saw the length of it. I'll take your word that it was a very deep and worthy post, and that the comments which followed after it were in no way a reflection on the OP's true brilliance. :neutral:
i don't have time to read most long posts either and surely not one THAT long.
get the dvd :) I am going to order the dvd since i have looked high and low for our video and can not locate it any where :(
I have still yet to unpack everything from our move. sure, i can find nearly every other video and dvd we own but not the one I WANT RIGHT NOW!!
after i buy the dvd i will find it. we are on vacation next week and i am sure we will find many things we have not even missed. garage sale time it is. :)
DVD, or any of the other mediums, can't compare to the written word, for me.
They'll never match my sweet imagination, I think it goes. ;)
DVD, or any of the other mediums, can't compare to the written word, for me.
They'll never match my sweet imagination, I think it goes. ;)
I like the relaxing vibe of the animation and Christopher Plummer delivers a soothing read. :)
"The rich language of French author Jean Giono combines with the breathtaking artistry of illustrator/animator Frederic Back to tell this triumphant tale in which one man's indomitable spirit transforms a desolate land into a thriving garden of trees. Back's delicate pastels sweep readers into the solitary world of Elzeard Bouffier, a world in which one individual, undeterred by great wars and other setbacks, and without thought of reward, makes a significant difference. The Man Who Planted Trees is an inspiring parable for all ages.
Other Credits:
Societe Radio-Canada/DBD
Directed by Frederic Back
From the story by Jean Giono
French Version Narrated by Pilippe
Noiret
English Version Narrated by Christopher Plummer
Original music by Normand Roger
Executive Producer: Hubert Tison
Academy Award, Best Animated Short
Best of Festival 1989, American Film & Video Festival"
flint's M.O.:
You're walking along the side walk. Flint waves to you as you walk by. As you pass him, he takes out a short 2X4 and swats you on the back of the head. You turn to confront him, and he hides it behind his back. You say, "Whay did you do that? Why would you hit me with a 2X4?"
then he says, "I didn't. I was just reminding you what it feels like to be hit with a 2X4"
ROTFL! You're closer with that than Flint will likely admit! :lol:
Armor Pierceing ammo ,
Better be .50 BMG for your Barrett...some of us AGers know our ordnance and others have developed rhino-skin from our years in the unmoderated trenches of AG...
...a
few of us even have a :eek: sense of humour!
Better be .50 BMG for your Barrett..
Puny .50 BMG ,
try this on for size ,
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn46-e.htm
Caliber(s): 15.2mm Steyr APFSDS
Operation: long recoil, semi-automatic
Barrel: 1200 mm
Weight: 18 kg
Length: 1800 mm
Feed Mechanism: 5 rounds detachable box mag.
IWS 2000 is wery formidable weapon. It fires 20 gramm (308 grains) tungsten dart (fleschette) with muzzle velocity of 1450 meters per second (4750 fps). At 1000 meters this projectile will penetrate a 40 mm of RHA (rollded homogenous steel armour) and will result in serious secondary fragmentation effect behind the armour. That said, it will penetrate two walls of any modern APC at one kilometer range. The trajectory is very flat and does not rise higher than 800 mm above the line of sight when fired to 1000 meters. The cartridge is of somewhat original design, and has plastic case with steel head and base. The projectile is concealed within a plastic sabot.
Better be .50 BMG for your Barrett..
Puny .50 BMG ,
try this on for size ,
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn46-e.htm
Caliber(s): 15.2mm Steyr APFSDS
Operation: long recoil, semi-automatic
Barrel: 1200 mm
Weight: 18 kg
Length: 1800 mm
Feed Mechanism: 5 rounds detachable box mag.
IWS 2000 is wery formidable weapon. It fires 20 gramm (308 grains) tungsten dart (fleschette) with muzzle velocity of 1450 meters per second (4750 fps). At 1000 meters this projectile will penetrate a 40 mm of RHA (rollded homogenous steel armour) and will result in serious secondary fragmentation effect behind the armour. That said, it will penetrate two walls of any modern APC at one kilometer range. The trajectory is very flat and does not rise higher than 800 mm above the line of sight when fired to 1000 meters. The cartridge is of somewhat original design, and has plastic case with steel head and base. The projectile is concealed within a plastic sabot.
Yes, and it's quite impressive indeed but at 15.2mm it's not going to be civilian-legal under BATF so for most folks the 'puny' ;) .50 BMG Barrett is the best they can do.
does fyre know me lurves him?? ;)
so, i looked on AG for posts by Flint.....cuz i just re read this thread...not because im some kind of bored stalker or something.
and there are none.
Flint has been assimilated. Let's get stevebsjb back now. he was funny too.
I express my weepy repentance
as a blood-caked boot in your face
Submit to my will, alien board
I plant my flag in thee,
my bitch, my lowly dog, Cellar
Have you been eating the dog's food again! You know there's something in that stuff that makes you crazy; but, you continue to do it anyway don't you? :eyebrow:
Yes, and it's quite impressive indeed but at 15.2mm it's not going to be civilian-legal under BATF so for most folks the 'puny' ;) .50 BMG Barrett is the best they can do.
It has never been about size, it is about shot placement.
