I'm taking up a collection...
to get ag back online.
Give till it hurts.
WOW! At last we agree on something, Beestie! Do you take Paypal? :D
I will walk to your house. Just give.
Too late, we like it here better!
MORE AG'ER'S TO ARRIVE!
What's with all the hostility... and besides... I thought one line post were somewhat of a taboo here... or do those rules only apply to those that have been here for more than a week...
if we could have AG up and running we'd be there with or without your help... we know each other there and have delt with cliques for AGes...
do you want my credit card number beestie?
What's with all the hostility...
All three of you joined less than 24 hours ago and your collective post count is already approaching 150.
This isn't about cliques. Its about carpetbombing the place.
All three of you joined less than 24 hours ago and your collective post count is already approaching 150.
This isn't about cliques. Its about carpetbombing the place.
This is my 20th... but if I have to keep defending myself I'll have 150 all to myself in a short amount of time... you can bank on that...
@Beetsie: Hmmm...Lumping three people into one collective category. Nice. Granted, we came from the same place and showed up at the same time, but still. I think, and I can verify this as applies to myself, at any rate, that we are acting autonomously, as would be expected for human beings.
Now "carpetbombing" would be a subjectve description, I believe. As in, if 500 posts were percieved as alot, 50 would be 1/10th of that, and if 5 posts were percieved as alot, 50 would be 10 times that (50 being 150 divided by 3). All things being equal, I fail to see the universal rule-of-thumb regarding the appropriate number of posts per user, per day (and certainly it mentions nothing numerical in the forum guidelines).
This isn't about cliques. Its about carpetbombing the place.
Actually, one of your fellow boardies divulged, today, that y'all have a habit of periodically
running off new users, so the jury is still out on "cliques".
@Beetsie: Hmmm...Lumping three people into one collective category. Nice.
you people are like apes around a monolith learning how to beat bones on rocks for the first time...
Nice.
Actually, one of your fellow boardies divulged, today, that y'all have a habit of periodically running off new users, so the jury is still out on "cliques".
Periodically is far from habitually. We welcome far more noobs than we "run off" and have a high tolerance if not a downright thirst for new blood to come, stay and contribute. Basically if you can't fit in here then its probably you.
Oh, I like it just fine here, I haven't had any problems so far.
That was funny, how you combined my quote with a quote from a different person as a rebuttal to my point about lumping people together. It's irony, see? The textbook definition of irony. You must have known that, and did it to be funny.
SEE Flint , you HAVE to be on your Toes , and Back up what you say if challenged ...
This ain't no place for wimps !!!!!!!
@zippyt: I never post anything that can't be backed up, unless I'm joking (which is always likely)
Actually, one of your fellow boardies divulged, today, that y'all have a habit of periodically running off new users, so the jury is still out on "cliques".
Cite?
good lord.
I am so glad that I am on my countdown to my vacation. Kagen - I'm headin' to your side of the planet on Thursday.
I see 40 active posters and 2 pages of threads here on Home Base. Any amount of new posting at all would be considered "carpetbombing".
Um, if you change your settings to show all post from forever, there's a whole lot more than just 2 pages of threads there. Like I said yesterday, CHECK OUT THE PLACE before bustin' on it.
Why? It's much more fun this way. People are so helpful here. And, I didn't even start a new thread to discuss it, just entered this one where me and my fellow AG'ers were being humorously slighted.
As far as I'm concerned, these AGers are trolls and annoying to no end.
to get ag back online.
Give till it hurts.
Nice work, Beestie! It appears to be fully operational once again. :notworthy
It isn't Nick. Audiogalaxy is still there but the message boards aren't working. It's been on a downhill spiral for a long time.
And, ashke, how do you define troll. I've been nothing but friendly since I got here. No spamming, no insults. Maybe a little sarcasm with those that seem they can take it, but that's it.
How do you define troll on this board.
Why do you want us gone?
You folks do seem to spread love
where-ever you go. :eyebrow:
Dev seems to be OK, though. At least he's only made 33 posts in 24 hours.
Posts per day
People are gonna be protective of their community. It's all good in the end, I'm sure
Cool stats UT. Ignoring the last 24hrs, what's the average per day of the week? I would assume the peak is on Fridays, when most of us who check in from work are really sick of the J.O.B.S.
Why? It's much more fun this way.
I'm open to new guests, but previous members, namely
dov, were quick to do the same type of games. I invite new content, new minds, new ideas...but please don't play games. I don't run the place and I don't speak for everyone here, but I don't think doing anything in that manner does much to further any interests here. Why not contribute rather than provoke for enjoyment?
I won't paint you all with the same brush, either, or elect to fault you just because you were a member of another board at one time -- Dev, also from AG, has answered a lot of questions I've always been curious about and done so in a constructive way. I'd like to see people like him stick around and offer more input.
The forum software doesn't graph traffic that way, but the overall traffic software says Monday is the big day around here.
Why? It's much more fun this way. People are so helpful here. And, I didn't even start a new thread to discuss it, just entered this one where me and my fellow AG'ers were being humorously slighted.
I am awe struck by your self discipline, Steve. Are you sure you wouldn't like to start 16 new threads of one word each to rephrase your reply?
If its "more fun" to post in AG style, why don't you go find an AG style board where the members will hardly even notice your presense in the onslaught of trivia? You and Flint seem to want to turn the Cellar into "AGII - just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water."
If the people who post here were interested in that style of board, well, we wouldn't be posting on the Cellar, now would we?
There's a whole big Internet out there, and if you don't like it that we take exception to people starting 20 threads a day about nothing, you can find other boards where you fit right in.
Yes, you are going to met with hostility when you come onto a board that has been in existance probably since before you were born and has many long standing members who collectively have created the "culture" of the Cellar. You remind me of the "ugly American" who finds himself in some distant foreign land and demands that the natives speak 'merican.
When I was a newcomer here, I proceeded to get into a huge battle with pretty much the entire board. I learned to settle down and not take myself quite so seriously. Some folks here still wish I'd go away, but most people tolerate me, at least.
If you don't like the fare that the Cellar provides, don't partake of it. By the same token, please don't ask us to swallow your BS just because "its more fun that way."
Undertoad, there's a way to monetize the free content here, it's called advertising. It doesn't have to be intrusive. I'm an insider, I can hook you up.
I have only been in this community for a short period of time and find it to be quite welcoming; however, one must realize that not everyone and their communication habits are going to be the right fit.
I see this place as a thoughtful, intelligent, witty and extremely diverse group of personalities and opinions. What everyone who regularly posts or lurks here seems to share is substance and respect. Bombarding this place with threads -- ala Seinfeld -- about virtually nothing or juvenile retorts may be extremely amusing and acceptable in other places, but it, in my opinion, it is just not the culture of this site. You AG people can, therefore, imagine our reasons for being annoyed. Don't expect that teenagers in a band are going to be happy living in a retirement village, and vice versa. (Of course the retirement village example is in no way meant to label any respective ages.) Also, I'm not judging anyone's level of intelligence or maturity, just pointing out that our interests don't seem to be similar. If the glove don't fit.....
The forum software doesn't graph traffic that way, but the overall traffic software says Monday is the big day around here.
That certainly makes sense to me. I rarely come to the Cellar on the weekends, so when I come in on a monday, I have three pages of threads to read. That's a lot of page serves.
My theory:
Since IOTD has no new images on Sunday, we are all starved on Monday to catch up, therefor more likely to log in and check it out...
Absence makes the heart grow fonder.;)
I never check in on the weekends (Rat Cave has no internet access), so usually on Monday my to do list looks like this:
#1 check Cellar,
#2 Check Post Secret
#3 Check work email
#4 Figure out what I forgot to do last week and get to work....
#2 Check Post Secret
Holy shit! I never heard of that one before. Thanks for the tip!!
:eek:
Wow... First and foremost thanks to those of you cellarites that haven't lumped me into the carpetbombing category... :p
You might find this odd but I've had my bouts with both of these characters in the past myself... now that's not to say I was always in the right... but bouts we had none the less...
I can only speak for myself but when I came here I jumped right in... not taking the time to read through the back logs of information until I had already resistered and posted my first thread... theres probably a welcome new users thread somewhere here but didn't see it as I didn't know about the archive thread settings...
I've been to enough new schools and message boards to know how the "in crowd" treats n00bs to begin with... everyone feels each other out in different ways and such...
This whole episode reminds me of someone that got dressed up casually and went to a black tie affair back at the place they dined at previously casual atire was just fine... but failing to know or "call ahead" they showed up at the door in AG atire not realizing that people here expected a coat and tie... :)
Anyway... it seems this has been a great opportunity for the elite well dressed citizens of Cellar Nation to demand satisfaction and see to it that the bouncers do their jobs... it's all rather silly in the grand scheme of things...:p
This whole episode reminds me of someone that got dressed up casually and went to a black tie affair back at the place they dined at previously casual atire was just fine... but failing to know or "call ahead" they showed up at the door in AG atire not realizing that people here expected a coat and tie... :)
Casual attire is fine. Flint seemed to be running through the restaurant naked and waving sparklers.
Anyway... it seems this has been a great opportunity for the elite well dressed citizens of Cellar Nation to demand satisfaction and see to it that the bouncers do their jobs... it's all rather silly in the grand scheme of things...:p
I don't think the bouncers ever came out. But a lot of people were averting their eyes, and others were offering bathrobes.
O.M.G.
I totally laughed out loud! Good thing I'd already swallowed my Twizzler...
Casual attire is fine. Flint seemed to be running through the restaurant naked and waving sparklers.I don't think the bouncers ever came out. But a lot of people were averting their eyes, and others were offering bathrobes.
:lol2: :notworthy
Good thing I'd already swallowed my Twizzler...
If that ain't a euphemism...
Dev still has to share what area of Florida he's from so we can throw him in the Cellar Hurricane pool.
Casual attire is fine. Flint seemed to be running through the restaurant naked and waving sparklers.I don't think the bouncers ever came out. But a lot of people were averting their eyes, and others were offering bathrobes.
Casual atire is purely subjective though...
all fashion statements are discarded at the local nude beach... :p
Dev still has to share what area of Florida he's from so we can throw him in the Cellar Hurricane pool.
I'm living in the Levy county area Kit... :)
This whole episode reminds me of someone that got dressed up casually and went to a black tie affair back at the place they dined at previously casual attire was just fine... but failing to know or "call ahead" they showed up at the door in AG attire not realizing that people here expected a coat and tie... :)
As HM noted, we have no problems with casual attire. The Cellar is more like a well prepared, all you can eat smörgåsbord. Flint and Steve showed up demanding that we all eat Big Mac's.
I understand there's a certain amount of cultural shock involved here, but you at least seem to have the intelligence and resilience to adapt to your new surroundings. We'll see about your friends. :neutral:
Casual attire is fine. Flint seemed to be running through the restaurant naked and waving sparklers.
Give him a drink of Windex....that'll keep him from streaking. ;)
I love the analogies. I had no idea this place was all lobster and steak compared to my Big Macs. Nice to judge the new guys. And if Dev is going to say he had bouts with us "characters"... forget him too.
I did not attack a single person here, and still won't. But I won't forget those that feel comfortable attacking me. Message board rudeness reigns eternal.
I have only been in this community for a short period of time and find it to be quite welcoming; however, one must realize that not everyone and their communication habits are going to be the right fit.
I see this place as a thoughtful, intelligent, witty and extremely diverse group of personalities and opinions. What everyone who regularly posts or lurks here seems to share is substance and respect. Bombarding this place with threads -- ala Seinfeld -- about virtually nothing or juvenile retorts may be extremely amusing and acceptable in other places, but it, in my opinion, it is just not the culture of this site. You AG people can, therefore, imagine our reasons for being annoyed. Don't expect that teenagers in a band are going to be happy living in a retirement village, and vice versa. (Of course the retirement village example is in no way meant to label any respective ages.) Also, I'm not judging anyone's level of intelligence or maturity, just pointing out that our interests don't seem to be similar. If the glove don't fit.....
Well, we shall see. I won't insult anyone here and I won't curse or spam. But I may be caught being serious, posting current events, my opinion, jokes, and even some sarcasm. If that gets me banned, so be it. But I won't leave because some don't like my posts. Not everyone is going to like everyone else's posts.
It DOES sound like you are judging maturity levels, if you ask me.
:right:
Takes two to tango Steve...
You might find this odd but I've had my bouts with both of these characters
in the past myself...now that's not to say I was always in the right...
but bouts we had none the less...
and I noted my dance steps... :neutral:
When have you and I had bouts? Why bring it up now and classify me as a "character"? Whatever, I'm not taking sides with you, Flint, or anyone on this board. I'm going to be exactly the same here as I was on AG for 4 years.
When have you and I had bouts?
well... seems your short term memory is worse than mine...
or better depending upon how you wish to look at it...
Why bring it up now and classify me as a "character"?
your "words on a screen" motto details the use of characters... does it not... :robot:
Honestly, since I don't remember ever debating with you. Really, that's how unaffected I am by message-board debates. I may have disagreed with you, or responded to an insult or attack, but I'm never the aggressor.
Honestly, since I don't remember ever debating with you. Really, that's how unaffected I am by message-board debates. I may have disagreed with you, or responded to an insult or attack, but I'm never the aggressor.
that's just bullshit... instigating is a form of aggression... :rolleyes:
I'm thinking you suffer from selective memory...
Oh well, it's indirect aggression then.
I don't consider it selective memory. Remind me about our top three 'bouts then. I'll remember them when you list them, I'm sure. But I absolutely could not do the same. But go ahead, if you jog my memory then I guess I will reminded that I needn't be considerate when posting to you?
Oh well, it's indirect aggression then.
I don't consider it selective memory. Remind me about our top three 'bouts then. I'll remember them when you list them, I'm sure. But I absolutely could not do the same. But go ahead, if you jog my memory then I guess I will reminded that I needn't be considerate when posting to you?
:biggrinha
negative content doesn't stay with me for that long...
so... my mind draws a blank to the when and whats...
should know that much about me by now...
Exactly my point.
A) I forget all the negative stuff, such as it is. It's only a message board.
B) The same goes for people's quirks and such.
So, let's just start over. That's really what I do everytime I turn on the computer anyway.
I did like the AG debates that would go on forever, the jokes, the "farewell" threads, and even the trolls. I'll miss the "left eye" joke. But on to greener pastures.
I did not attack a single person here, and still won't. But I won't forget those that feel comfortable attacking me. Message board rudeness reigns eternal.
No, you just attacked all of us. Here's a little selection of your witticisms over the last 22 hours or so:
I was at www.audiogalaxy.com the general discussion board.
But if if comes back up I'll go back.
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I won't ever adjust to these posted pics and smileys. Though that's how my original message board was.
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Wow! Glad you acknowledged CBOL, though I don't think you know what it means.
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Some want to be helpie-helperton, but I guess that can't be avoided. Others wear corderoy pants and smoke pipes.
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I love message board politics. Obviously I've rankled some here. Shot in the arm, so to speak. Oh well, I've done worse.
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You may be stuck with "El" as far as I'm concerned. But, hey... here's my first smiley just for you ------>
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I wonder if they like being called by their screen names or prefer their "real" names. I prefer screen-names, in case you're wondering.
You claim to be 37 but you come across as a wise-ass 17 year old, sitting in the back of the class and sniggering with his buddies.
What's your REAL name? Cuz I wanna call you by your REAL name, "Steve" (if that's who you are), just to annoy you.
So, STEVE, are you implying that paybacks are a bitch? If so, meet the BITCH, herself! I eat punks like you for breakfast.
Cellar - main street - high noon.
Hugs and kisses,
Cowgirl :lol:
You eat punks for breakfast? (ala Billy Madison)
where did I imply that there was payback? or payback necessary?
Plus, I agree, those are witticisms, but not attacks.
saying I'll call someone El is an attack?
Saying that someone doesn't know what I meant when I posted CBOL is an attack?
None of those are attacks. No payback, I'm not starting a war with the board, as much as you want me to. But I'll respond to any posts written to me, without attacking.
Thanks for scouring all my posts for those quotes though. It was unnecessary though, I am attacking no one. I just post differently than you. I'm sure there's room for me here.
Mari comes from an old military family. Once in a while we have to play taps to settle her down. ;)
I'm going to be exactly the same here as I was on AG for 4 years.
Why? If it is clear that it irritates the majority of people, why would you continue to do it? You're not going to get banned for being serious, posting current events, your opinions, jokes, or sarcasm -- those are the basic elements of this community. Yet, it is possible that the method that you do it will do nothing but frustrate the users here.
So, I'm a bit confused. Are you just refusing to make a simple adaptive change that all the other members here have been able to make with ease, or are you here to play passive-aggressive games?
Either way, I'm sorry you have yet to find another board that replicates your AG experience of four years. Still, while change is often difficult, you might get more out of it if you went a little more with the flow rather than fought it.
You eat punks for breakfast? (ala Billy Madison)
where did I imply that there was payback? or payback necessary?
I taught freshman comp at the biggest party school in Colorado for 7 years. Your "who me?" act needs work:
But I won't forget those that feel comfortable attacking me. Message board rudeness reigns eternal
saying I'll call someone El is an attack?
Rude, smart ass reply, thinly disguised put down:
You may be stuck with "El" as far as I'm concerned.
Patrick told you his name was "Patrick." His user name is Elspode.
You may be stuck with "BS" as far as
I'm concerned.
Saying that someone doesn't know what I meant when I posted CBOL is an attack?
Condescending, implied the person you were replying to doesn't have your same vast knowledge:
Wow! Glad you acknowledged CBOL, though I don't think you know what it means
Wow! You replied to my post, although I don't think that you know how to read.
None of those are attacks. No payback, I'm not starting a war with the board, as much as you want me to. But I'll respond to any posts written to me, without attacking.
All of those were snide, passive/aggressive comments. No, you're not starting a war, you're starting a campaign to bring "democracy" AG style to a foreign country. First you'll soften up any resistance with carpet posting.
Sweetheart, I've stood on the first day of class in front of too many sullen 18 year olds who would much rather have been on the ski slopes at Purgie or down at the Old Tymer drinking bock ale to not recognize the modus operandi
at work here. Your wounded innocent act won't fly with me.
I have nothing against newbies. I've been one before, and I'm going to be one again in a whole new town in another month. But I DO have something against someone who posts sly innuendos and feigns innocence over what they're doing.
If you're going to insult people, at least be a man about it. I suggest you go back and study some of Lumberjim's posts to learn the fine art of the direct confrontation.
Cowboy up!
I appreciate you wading in on my behalf, Mari, but I don't care if Steve calls me El, or anything else, for that matter. I'm not going to have the energy or interest to wade through his reams of crap anyway, and I'll probably just skip over his posts to get to things that are actually interesting.
Steve, call me whatever, really. I'm pretty sure you're going to get bored and leave eventually when no one else will match your 300 to 1 posting ratio.
Oh, I realize that, Patrick. His response to you WAS rather rude, though, and I was just using it as one of my several examples. I am we'll aware you can take care of yourself around here. ;)
I taught freshman comp at the biggest party school in Colorado for 7 years.
You poor thing... they shoulda given you hazard pay!
Nah, they just told us where we could order our own body armor from. As usual, Colorado was cutting its budget for higher education - the funding for combat pay had been cut the year before I was hired. ;)
I taught freshman comp at the biggest party school in Colorado for 7 years. Your "who me?" act needs work:
Rude, smart ass reply, thinly disguised put down:
Patrick told you his name was "Patrick." His user name is Elspode. You may be stuck with "BS" as far as I'm concerned.
Condescending, implied the person you were replying to doesn't have your same vast knowledge:
Wow! You replied to my post, although I don't think that you know how to read.
All of those were snide, passive/aggressive comments. No, you're not starting a war, you're starting a campaign to bring "democracy" AG style to a foreign country. First you'll soften up any resistance with carpet posting.
Sweetheart, I've stood on the first day of class in front of too many sullen 18 year olds who would much rather have been on the ski slopes at Purgie or down at the Old Tymer drinking bock ale to not recognize the modus operandi at work here. Your wounded innocent act won't fly with me.
I have nothing against newbies. I've been one before, and I'm going to be one again in a whole new town in another month. But I DO have something against someone who posts sly innuendos and feigns innocence over what they're doing.
If you're going to insult people, at least be a man about it. I suggest you go back and study some of Lumberjim's posts to learn the fine art of the direct confrontation.
Cowboy up!
No insults implied. You are just reading it the way you want to read it. No paybacks will be issued. No innuendos. Example: I may use the name "El" because I'll never remember his real name, and El is quick and easy to type. the "as far as I'm concerned" part mostly spoke to my poor memory for other than the name I see repeatedly on the screen. I even threw in a smiley face, to connote lightheartedness. And there is a similar explanation for every other so-called snide remark you posted, but who wants to read a paragraph explaining why I talk the way I do.
It's all good, mari, you seem like a decent person to me protecting your territory from interlopers. But a message board is like a melting-pot. Here I am melting!
Good luck with the move, btw.
I appreciate you wading in on my behalf, Mari, but I don't care if Steve calls me El, or anything else, for that matter. I'm not going to have the energy or interest to wade through his reams of crap anyway, and I'll probably just skip over his posts to get to things that are actually interesting.
Steve, call me whatever, really. I'm pretty sure you're going to get bored and leave eventually when no one else will match your 300 to 1 posting ratio.
Thanks, El. You may be right, or I may stay here for years.
It's all good, mari, you seem like a decent person to me protecting your territory from interlopers. But a message board is like a melting-pot. Here I am melting!
Mari and Elspode are just confused, as I am, that you haven't yet figured out that vBulliten wasn't designed to support "scroll-board/democratic thread"-style communications. As far as I know, this could be some strange demonstration of political metaphor, since you never elected to answer my previous question as to why you want to continue your pattern of the previous four years at AG despite logging into a system that was clearly designed around a different posting methodology. Would you care to elaborate on your inability/refusal to adapt? Without an explanation, I think a lot of people here are just going to continue to chalk your actions up as being inconsiderate.
Shit, Happy M, I'll fess up to that just for the hell of it. Get wise noobs. This may appear to be an ethereal gathering but the rules of polite society apply just as strongly here as any physical forum.(Maybe even more so if you wanna keep running with the herd). You go bursting into any unsuspecting group with polarising opinions and you're an instant footnote.
And that's all I have to say about that.
Oh, sorry, you're right, I didn't intentionally ignore your question, Kit. I'm just juggling internet and work issues at the moment. No real aggressive politics involved for me. Everyday is a new one here. What I mean is, I'm not here to ruin your fun, or attack your board, which is now my board too. I have no subversive agenda.
My questions:
If a thread isn't interesting to you (the universal "you") then don't respond and watch it sink. Who does it bother?
Can you explain to me how "vBulliten" wasn't designed to support a more frenetic style of posting and multiple threads? I'm not being sarcastic. Is it a bandwith concern, or space on a server. I'm not really computer tech-savy, I don't even get what a "bandwidth" problem is.
Do the owners get upset, due to TECHNICAL reasons, if a person posts here 40 times a day? Or is it just the users that see it as an interruption of their natural flow?
I can adapt, probably will. Although I did say I won't change, truly I do not refuse to. Thinking back, I meant the spirit of how I post, my style is not to post nonsense spam BS posts all day. As you can see, I respond very well to those that want to know about me. But why should I adapt fully? And don't think I'm being rude (I hope I don't have to keep typing that) but, what would happen if I keep posting the things that interest me in the fashion I like to post them? What if I'm sort of sarcastic, but good-intentioned? What if my style of posting has merits not yet realized by the good people of the cellar?
I am not going to come in here and be sugar sweet to everyone. I'll just be myself. And I know, I may not make friends here. I'm here to post and get feedback, international feedback, humorous feedback, good news, bad news, etc.
I appreciate your clear well-worded post, Kit. Sorry if you or other people think I'm inconsiderate.
Shit, Happy M, I'll fess up to that just for the hell of it. Get wise noobs. This may appear to be an ethereal gathering but the rules of polite society apply just as strongly here as any physical forum.(Maybe even more so if you wanna keep running with the herd). You go bursting into any unsuspecting group with polarising opinions and you're an instant footnote.
And that's all I have to say about that.
What if I don't want to run with the herd? May I still post here?
Can you explain to me how "vBulliten" wasn't designed to support a more frenetic style of posting and multiple threads?
I've frequented Wakachan-driven boards and they work along the democratic model. Someone posts something, it gets bumped if it is supported ("saged" if it isn't), and threads can see their birth and death in less than a day. If you aren't around to participate, you'll completely miss what was being discussed, which is considered normal. Posts are quoted not by content, but by post number and are responded to as such.
vB and BB encourage people to take the time to piece through long posts, quote pieces of them, and reply to them. Posts are infrequent enough that replies are notified by e-mail to each user that is "subscribed" to the thread and nothing is "weighted" based upon interest or activity. Topics do get "bumped", but only in the sense that they filter to the top of what is more like an RSS-feed of recent activity instead of urgent or popular topics getting higher priority. In fact, it is common on vB board for topics from weeks, months, even several years ago will be ressurected and re-enter into recent activity. This isn't because they were weighted as more popular by system activity, but because content was deemed by the users to be interesting and worth retrieving. We have a lot of people, myself included, that might not visit this system in several days because of travel or job/school related pressure and we don't feel [extremely] overwhelmed when we return because it the style of post history on vB gives you time to catch up with discussions.
I can adapt, probably will.
You've already changed your reply-style to discuss this topic with me, so I don't see why you'll have any trouble at all adapting.
But why should I adapt fully? And don't think I'm being rude (I hope I don't have to keep typing that) but, what would happen if I keep posting the things that interest me in the fashion I like to post them?
You don't have to adapt fully, but the way the board keeps track of what is "recent" (date and time driven) versus what is "interesting" (strictly user driven) ends up making posts issued in rapid succession viewed more as spam than discussion. Usually if a new user posts a new thread instead of first attempting to respond to existing ones, the entries are automatically wiped from the system because they get flagged as robots. This isn't to say anyone's posts are actual spam, but they appear that way if they're short and fast enough.
What if I'm sort of sarcastic, but good-intentioned?
Then trust me, you'll fit in really, really well here. :)
I appreciate your clear well-worded post, Kit. Sorry if you or other people think I'm inconsiderate.
Thanks! I hope you don't write off the community immediately, either, for their reactions. In recent years on vB style boards, spam and post-attacks have become common and are difficult to deal with at an administrative level. If the very first thing you did on here was join in and began slamming people for their political stance using inflammatory language in decent-sized/timed replies, you'd be cheered as a hero by at least half of the people here, but even the most well intentioned, quick, short posts set off enough warning flags that people become very suspicious.
It's just a matter of what people are used to and the methodology the system lends itself to. Nothing big.
Personally, not to long ago I was wondering when we'd get some new blood. It seemed like it had been awhile. (at least in the threads I frequent) If I wanted more of the EXACT same, I would never bother to refresh. Seems like the noobs [SIZE="1"](everytime i see that i read boobs)[/SIZE]have settled down and will fit in nicely.
I have GOT to get back to work. When the boss is away...the Rat posts away.
Thank you Kit. You're my kind of message boardie, or cellarite, or dwellar. :)
Lab, I appreciate that thought, even if I wasn't the new blood you were looking for. ;) I know, I know... I'm really not that sensitive about this whole thing. We'll laugh about it someday. Anyway, thanks for being the first person on this board that I've seen post the word "boob". It's one of my favorite words. Well actually the plural version of it is.
::wonders if there's a boob forum here:: ::insert appropriate smiley here::
Just look for threads that include "NSFW" in the headline.
Just look for threads that include "NSFW" in the headline.
Methinks we need to bring back the "This IS porn" thread, again.
Do the owners get upset, due to TECHNICAL reasons, if a person posts here 40 times a day?
Not trying to be a nudge, but I still don't understand the answer to the above question. Is there a
techie reason why it's bad to post multiple threads here at The Cellar?
It's called the signal to noise ratio.
Not trying to be a nudge, but I still don't understand the answer to the above question. Is there a techie reason why it's bad to post multiple threads here at The Cellar?
You can post 40 times/day with no problem, as long as they're mostly replies. Creating many new threads in a day doesn't give weight to anything, floods the main boards, and pushes out active conversation. There is no techie reason why you can't, but it tends to look like spam on a vB board.
I find it actually pretty difficult to explain, but I guess I could say that it would be like browsing through the stacks at the library and finding slips of paper with text scratched on them scattered amoungst the novels. There are a lot of threads, here, that invite short replies (go check out
Guess What It Is) but the boards, themselves, get difficult to sift through with lots of new threads. The threads are intended to carry over many days with the conversation going on
inside rather than conversation being carried on in the form of new threads.
...and now I'm just trying to sound like I actually know what I'm talking about, so I'm going to shut up, slink off to find coffee, and maybe try my hand at working while in the office for once.
Work? Damn! This feels strange!quick question @all: won't "bad" threads drop off the page automatically, if ignored? (I mean, not posted on)
quick question @all: won't "bad" threads drop off the page automatically, if ignored? (I mean, not posted on)
Nope. One thread can get 2,000 replies and be very popular while 20 threads with 0 replies will push it off. The opposite is true.
@Kitsune: Right, but when the zero replies are recieved, each reply on the other thread will push it back up, a "bump" - isn't this a democratic process for "voting" on which threads are "good" and which are "bad"? I understand that new threads are initially at the top. (btw I still don't know what "saging" is)
- isn't this a democratic process for "voting" on which threads are "good" and which are "bad"?
Democratic? All it takes is one reply, and it's back to the top. They're ordered by most recent, not most popular. That's how a ton of nothing threads can keep the good ones down, especially if new ones keep being generated.
Methinks we need to bring back the "This IS porn" thread, again.
Yeah, or
earlier less-successful attempts.
@Happy Monkey: I understand what you're saying, and maybe I'm just splitting hairs here, but, statistically speaking, the threads that "nobody" likes will be replaced by the theads that are active. One reply, one "vote" at a time, the board will take the shape of what the people who are actually posting there want it to be. This isn't a deliberate process, it's an automatic occurance.
I'd agree if the general layout encouraged it, but that doesn't seem to be how it works on the vB boards I've been on. Starting a plethora of threads on a scroll-style board has always been accepted while it generally gets viewed as spam on vB-style systems. Here, threads tend to appear in sparse numbers. If you scroll through the history of the board, you'll notice the pattern.
I couldn't explain on a technical level why the interface seems to encourage the post style it does, but it seems to work that way at most places like this and I tend to think that this is what the system was designed to accommodate. New threads are few, posts tend to run relatively long, and more time is invested in the content. I don't doubt that the community has a great deal of influence, too, but I just don't see scroll-style content on most vB/phpBB boards.
I can't say you're free to do as you wish here (I don't run this place, or any other), but I can say that creating a high number of threads in a short period of time is generally viewed as spam because it isn't what people expect. If that's your thing, I suppose you can do it, but I'm not sure you should expect the warmest reception.
As for SAGEing, I was once on an image board running Wakachan (mostly used for image posts, namely anime artwork) that recognized "SAGE" as the opposite of "BUMP" -- it would actively push the thread down in the list if people didn't approve of it, allowing for a vote.
Digg uses thumbs-up/down to push comments down.
hahaha @ SAGEing! hahahaha! that is classic! We needed that at AG, just for laughs.
@Kitsune: Again, splitting hairs here, but isn't this a "scroll style" board? If not, why not? New posts and responded posts go to the top, unresponded posts sink to the bottom. Is that not "scrolling" or am I missing something?
I was going to ask the same thing. This seems like a scroll style board to me.
I think Kit is being very helpful and patient with us. Thank God for someone that answers questions from newbies. Sorry if it's interfering with work (but isn't that what message boards do?)
hahaha @ SAGEing! hahahaha! that is classic! We needed that at AG, just for laughs.
It was actually really useful, as threads that were inappropriate or didn't meet the subject of the board didn't last long. The entire place could police itself fairly well just by what the users bumped/saged. If spam was posted, there were plenty of times you never even saw it -- the stuff was gone in the blink of an eye because it would be attacked. One problem with that, however, is that controversial topics would get burried by a couple people that opposed the discussion. Democracy, at least on that board, didn't encourage discussion very well. It was great for art and photographs, though.
Hell, I'm at work right now too. So is Steve. :::cha-ching::: ha ha ha
@Kitsune: Again, splitting hairs here, but isn't this a "scroll style" board? If not, why not? New posts and responded posts go to the top, unresponded posts sink to the bottom. Is that not "scrolling" or am I missing something?
I'm really hitting my head on the desk, here, trying to think of a good way to explain it. Honestly, I can't. You really could flood the board with new threads and maybe it really is a community preference to not act as a scroll-style board. I just know that every vB board I've ever been on avoided that and even the
site that designs it operates much in the same way The Cellar does. The replies method, quotes, interface, all seem to lend themselves to less threads/more content. (at least, to me they do)
Thank God for someone that answers questions from newbies. Sorry if it's interfering with work (but isn't that what message boards do?)
Ah, I'm still 'new' to this board, in a way. I have a fair amount of posts, but I'm certainly not part of the close-knit community of the original and long-standing members. I just kind of float in, post something in the debates, people get mad, and I return some days later to find the debate has caught fire and switched topics entirely or boiled down to basic insults. It's awesome.
Work? What work? Oh
that work. ...but it is nearly beer o'clock and skipping out early today sounds oh-so-sweet.
I'm with you Kit, it's gorgeous out today. And I'm waiting for a friend to call me for happy hour today. (C'mon already, Joe!) Outdoor drinking, on the sidewalk in NYC, drinking big margaritas.... if we dont get it done today, I have it set for tomorrow as well.
Grrrr... already it's getting cool out too. I vote for half day at work tomorrow for everybody.
@Happy Monkey: I understand what you're saying, and maybe I'm just splitting hairs here, but, statistically speaking, the threads that "nobody" likes will be replaced by the theads that are active.
Unless you read everything, a ton of nothing posts can drown out a more substantial one before you get a chance to see it. If you do read everything, a ton of nothing posts is annoying in a completely different way.
Grrrr... already it's getting cool out too. I vote for half day at work tomorrow for everybody.
I've got the
whole day off.
Of course, I'm also getting a filling, so that mitigates it a bit.
I was off all day yesterday. Went to the baby doctor with my wife (expecting), then when to the dentist, then went to get our taxes done. We got money back, which was unexpected, and then Guitar Center called to say a hardware packeage had come in for me, so I went down there and bought a hydraulic throne and a new Pearl signature Steve Ferrone snare drum (re-creation of an old Ludwig Black Beauty snare, but with chrome tube lugs and gold-plated hoops!)
I think your day off will win, unless the filling turns out to be a lot of fun. I may do taxes as well.
Oh, well, I'll open the windows at least.
I am so excited about my new snare drum. You don't even want to get me started.
How about posting a picture of it in the "Images" section, I'd like to see that.
My buddy has a black Ludwig setup like Bonzo's with a double base. :drummer:
I am so excited about my new snare drum. You don't even want to get me started.
Looks like Rich has some company. If I could play something it would be the drums. I spent 3 years trying to learn the guitar and absolutely sucked at it. I still have the guitar, tho. Just can't bring myself to sell it.
What is it with this "T" word?..... it's still March! loads of time...... :o
I WANT TO [COLOR="Red"]EAT [COLOR="Black"]THEM NOW !!![/COLOR][/COLOR]:yum:
this thread has lasted way too long ;)
I won a GREAT Gibson guitar on MTV's Remote Control in 1989. Still have it, still love it. I make myself happy when I play it, but no one else.
this thread has lasted way too long ;)
So how much has been raised for the misplaced AG'ers fund by now... :p