2/21/2006: Shoe shore

Undertoad • Feb 21, 2006 3:05 pm
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We Make Money Not Art finds this item, which actually took place on Feb. 10th. A container ship carrying shoes, hamburgers and toys from Asia, lost a bunch of its containers off the coast of the Netherlands. Some of the containers opened. And pretty soon...

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Dutch articles 1, 2 document the event. From the very rough translations, it seems like people came and took what they wanted; and even though police were around, they only intervened if a fight broke out.
glatt • Feb 21, 2006 3:09 pm
I remember reading of a scientist who studies ocean currents by noting where ships would lose cargo in a storm, and then watching to see what beach the cargo would wash up on. Apparently this sort of thing always makes the news, and so do the insurance claims for cargo ships. He could piece a lot of information together, and started making predictions. Like, "shoes will begin washing up on the beaches of Baja California on March 12th."
glatt • Feb 21, 2006 3:12 pm
Wait. Hamburgers?
ferret88 • Feb 21, 2006 3:21 pm
maybe those little WhiteCastle frozen jobbies?
Cyclefrance • Feb 21, 2006 3:29 pm
Looking at that just makes me want to walk away....
Cyclefrance • Feb 21, 2006 3:30 pm
Has anyone told footfootfoot about this....?
Elspode • Feb 21, 2006 3:57 pm
So...the cops didn't try to 'shoe' them away? :headshake
glatt • Feb 21, 2006 4:10 pm
I was hoping to find pictures of the actual ship this came from. This Cargo Law webpage has lots of modern shipping disaster images on it. It's a fun place to poke around. I just wish they would learn how to convert GIFs to JPEGs. It takes forever to load.

Here'a a ship that is not connected to the spilled shoes in any way, but it's typical of the images that can be found at this website I linked.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 21, 2006 4:27 pm
Hundreds of cargo containers get washed overboard ever year. I can't figure out how they get broken open. They aren't air/water tight, so they should just sink and not be crushed by pressure.

They're still waiting for the rubber duckies spilled in the Pacific in 1992, to break out of the artic ice pack and make their way down to New England.

and even thoguh police were around, they only intervened if a fight broke out.
They shouldn't, beachcombing and maritime salvage are time honored traditions.

The hamburgers must be from Australia or New Zealand, I don't think they make burgers from Kobe beef. :headshake
Pancake Man • Feb 21, 2006 4:43 pm
And I still can't find shoes for less than $80....
mitheral • Feb 21, 2006 5:06 pm
xoxoxoBruce wrote:
Hundreds of cargo containers get washed overboard ever year. I can't figure out how they get broken open. They aren't air/water tight, so they should just sink and not be crushed by pressure.


Must be the containers get ripped open when they go flying off the ship. Container falls to the ocean floor and the floaty bits wash up on shore.

Containers are only strong in the corners. The panels, top and bottom especially, are relatively weak. Concentrated force, say the corner of another container, applied at the right point will open them up like a ginsu knike on a tin can.
glatt • Feb 21, 2006 5:26 pm
Here's a picture of a storm encountered by a container ship, and here's the damage as it arrived in port. You can see at least one container with a failed door latch. Others are tipped over and crushed. Probably split open. I think mitheral is right that they can bash into each other.
capnhowdy • Feb 21, 2006 5:43 pm
Anything that hit the deck or a substantial area on the railing from 40-50 ft. would prolly be extensively damaged. At least enough to breech the closures.

I've seen a container dropped from a container crane at Ga. Ports Authority to emphasize safety hazards years ago while working w/ a local union out of Savannah.

HOCKATAYOW. (hock-a-tie-yow) Like a beer can.

AIRTIGHT? I recall a news article from last summer about a passle of immigrants dying in one of these. I can't find it now for the life of me. (too damn lazy, to be frank). Could have been from heat exhaustion, tho....
footfootfoot • Feb 21, 2006 6:17 pm
Cyclefrance wrote:
Has anyone told footfootfoot about this....?


I'm so there there there!

finders keepers; losers weepers.

nyah! :lol:
AureliusVin • Feb 21, 2006 6:37 pm
It is cool that the police used their common sense and let the people pick up the "litter."
I have often thought about moving to the Netherlands, this is just one more reason to...


And this of course...:bong:
capnhowdy • Feb 21, 2006 7:58 pm
It'll put your eye out!
tw • Feb 21, 2006 8:08 pm
Two other examples was that car carrier from Japan that sunk, releasing floating Hondas in the Pacific. And another car carrier that littered the waters off Europe with Volvos, BMWs, and Mercedes. To some, it's only an insurance claim.
jtm • Feb 21, 2006 9:35 pm
tw wrote:
Two other examples was that car carrier from Japan that sunk, releasing floating Hondas in the Pacific. And another car carrier that littered the waters off Europe with Volvos, BMWs, and Mercedes. To some, it's only an insurance claim.


The ship that sank in the English channel was the Tricolor. The company hired to recover the cars so that they can be destroyed (liability issues if those salted parts got on the market) put up a web site showing how the ship was recovered. This page shows pictures from the "cutting" portion of the task.
http://www.tricolorsalvage.com/pages/photo_close.asp?f=02Cutting

Here's a cross-section that includes the engine compartment. Image

Basically they saw the ship into sections with a steel cable and then lift them up. Neat!

This page has a neat animation of how the process worked.
http://www.tricolorsalvage.com/pages/infographic.asp
seakdivers • Feb 21, 2006 11:04 pm
We ended up with alot of those plastic bath toys (rubber duckies, etc) back in '92. We actually find a bunch of really weird stuff washed up on our outer shores.
Jaxxon • Feb 22, 2006 4:10 am
In case anyone is interested, the ship in question was the "P&O Nedlloyd Mondriaan".
Griff • Feb 22, 2006 8:19 am
Pancake Man wrote:
And I still can't find shoes for less than $80....

Here you go.
CharlieG • Feb 22, 2006 9:07 am
Heh - Reading the article on the rubber ducks, it's obvious the reporter doesn't know the difference between Flotsam and Jetsam. If it FALLS overboard, it's NOT Jetsam - Jetsam is THROWN overboard to lighten your load - aka it's intentional

Flotsam is the stuff that floats after you (or parts of your cargo) sinks - so the ducks are definately flotsam

Don't know of the word for stuff that falls overboard and sinks
magilla • Feb 22, 2006 9:29 am
Hey, if any of those wash up near the cliffs in England, would it be "Dover sole"?

Just asking...

Chris
Pancake Man • Feb 22, 2006 10:59 am
Just great. Now all of The Netherlands smells like feet :vomit:
dar512 • Feb 22, 2006 11:07 am
So

Sea shares shoes by the shoe shore?
BigV • Feb 22, 2006 11:44 am
CharlieG wrote:
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Don't know of the word for stuff that falls overboard and sinks
Ballast.
FallenFairy • Feb 22, 2006 12:03 pm
BigV wrote:
Ballast.



I thought ballast was used for balance and stabilization...

things thrown overboard?? ~ litter. :right:
BigV • Feb 22, 2006 12:22 pm
bal·last (băl'əst) pronunciation
n.

1. Heavy material that is placed in the hold of a ship or the gondola of a balloon to enhance stability.
And when you chuck it overboard, it sinks.
footfootfoot • Feb 22, 2006 12:34 pm
I think that would be jetsam of which you speak. Flotsam being the same stuff which has yet to make it to shore. jetsam<––jetson<––jettison.
Pie • Feb 22, 2006 1:15 pm
dar512 wrote:
Sea shares shoes by the shoe shore?


Aaaaaagh! :eek:
Karenv • Feb 22, 2006 3:26 pm
Isn't it the law of the sea that anything that washes up is fair game?
Pie • Feb 22, 2006 3:59 pm
Karenv wrote:
Isn't it the law of the sea that anything that washes up is fair game?

Not always true. See Wikipedia's article on Ambergris:
In the United States, possession of any part of an endangered species — including ambergris that has washed ashore — is a violation of the Endangered Species Act of 1978.

There's probably other exceptions -- I just happened to remember this one.
richlevy • Feb 22, 2006 5:40 pm
Ambergris is found in lumps of various shapes and sizes, weighing from ½ oz (14 g) to 100 or more pounds (45 or more kg).
Depending on its quality, raw ambergris fetches approximately USD$20 per gram. In the United States, possession of any part of an endangered species — including ambergris that has washed ashore — is a violation of the Endangered Species Act of 1978.
So if a 1KG lump of Ambergris washes ashore, who gets to keep the $20,000?
CharlieG • Feb 22, 2006 6:22 pm
footfootfoot wrote:
I think that would be jetsam of which you speak. Flotsam being the same stuff which has yet to make it to shore. jetsam<––jetson<––jettison.


It's JETSOM if you THROW it overboard (jettison it), but I'm not sure what it's called if it falls
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 22, 2006 6:25 pm
Oopsie. ;)
footfootfoot • Feb 23, 2006 11:29 am
CharlieG wrote:
It's JETSOM if you THROW it overboard (jettison it), but I'm not sure what it's called if it falls


You're right. If it falls, I guess you can call it an insurance claim ;)