Cellar moving again, outage pending

The Cellar will be unavailable on Friday 2/17, from approx. 11am to approx. 2pm. At that time it will be on the fastest, bestest connection it has ever been on. It will also be more expensive than ever, but not the crazy price I would have to pay if I stayed with the current provider (Netreach/neonetix/nntx).

It is not unfair google fodder to say that Neonetix seriously lost it with their business plan. The evidence is here, for those geeky/interested:

http://www.nntx.net/Services/CoLocation.asp

This page describes the pricing for placing a server in Netreach/neonetics server room. The key figure is "Throughput (monthly max)". You notice that, at the $150 "enhanced" rate, the maximum throughput you can get is "30Gb". The lower-case b, it turns out, is important.

It indicates that your maximum throughput is 30 gigabits. The problem here is that every other provider on the net lists that figure in gigaBYTES.

If you've taken CompSci 101 you might recall that there are 8 bits in a byte. It's a little worse than that, because the traffic that's measured in bits includes bits dedicated to controlling the protocol. So let's say the difference between a GB and a Gb is ten-fold.

Therefore, by making that b lower-case, Netreach/neonetix set its monthly limits at a point where the Cellar, at the $150/month package, reached the limit in 2 days.

20 days would not have surprised me. But if a simple forum maxes your "enhanced" package out in 2 days, your business plan is hosed.

Now look at the "additional bandwidth" pricing at the bottom of the page. They insisted that the $595 price for 1.5mb/sec is their price for unmetered bandwidth, not affected by the monthly max. So the actual retail price to me, for three servers, would be $775/month.

The competition offered me $389/month for three servers at 10mb/sec unmetered.

Again, either $775 for 1.5mb/sec unmetered, or $389 for 10mb/sec unmetered.

Speaking of slacking off, I need to hit the tip jar... advising others to to likewise. thanks Tony.

Your last sentence make clear which is the better choice.

qq:

$389/month PER server for three servers? or for all three servers (or however many servers you have...)? or 129/server/month?

Also, in my experience, the "unmetered" tagline is, shall we say, fuzzy. They may actually not meter it. They may meter it and don't quanitfy / charge for it. But I'm certain that if your resources are a large load on their systems then you *will* get a call and a renegotiation will commence.

I would say that your first defense is a thorough reading of the contract. You have demonstrated your skill at this. But a high speed connection like that (10Mb/sec, pretty good) which is better than I could find in a short local search, may be too good to be true too.

I should say that a good portion of that monthly nut will come from my two other clients, so not all of that 389 will come out of the Cellar funds... probably 159. Tip jar hits are appreciated nonetheless

Check's in the mail. :)

So two sailors a Pole and a Chech are swept off the deck of their whaler...you know the rest.

$389 for all 3, BigV.

I might also note that similar services are available at different rates all over the net. For example, you can go to 1and1.com, click on "root server" and see they will sell you 1000GB of transfer per month PLUS THE SERVER for $99/month. (Unfortunately the server is only 40 GB hard drive...) Or burst.net, click on colocation and there's 2000GB/month for $109.95 or 10mb/sec unlimited for $329.95.

Or if I was really serious I might go here and get an entire half-rack with 2mb/sec for the same price as neonetix. Then I would be right at the peering hub of a lot of major providers.

Fuck, it hardly even pays to understand all this shit when someone can screw you over by making their b lower-case.

this thread brought to you by the letter "b"

should we do another fund raiser?

lotta new folks that don't have cellar tshirts, pens, coffee mugs or mousepads out there.

Bake sale? :rasta:

No seriously I bet there are T-shirt places on the web that are better than cafepress and let you submit designs.

custom ink dot com.

http://www.customink.com/cink/r.jsp?H=/cink/create/retrieve.jsp

retirieve saved designs use email address :jhelm3ATdejazzd.com

I'm in for a fund raiser

lumberjim wrote:

retirieve saved designs use email address :jhelm3ATdejazzd.com

And forget about that one marked "titles". That was just an idea.

Very cool shirts. Especially since they can do them in black.

The blue glass coffee mug is more than classy. I would need several. I fear breakage.

Can we get our Cellar handles added to these shirts somehow?

I've answered my own question...if you go to the link LJ provided and log in, you can select the Cellar shirt design and add text. I was going to put "Lumberjim" on one and save it as a different design name, but then I decided I probably shouldn't screw with LJ's setup.

These are a one-off, Cafe Press type of arrangement, right? How do profits get to UT if we order, just out of curiosity?

actually, i think there are minimum orders. but they're cheaper than cafe press. it would have to be similar to last time, but i think we should limit color and style. also, i would hope that these folks are more reliable in their production. based on the size of the order, we could just ad $5 to the per unit cost, or whatever. i like that they do mugs and mousepads. those designs are from 04's shirts. nothing to say we can't start from scratch.

eh:

Quote Specifications
Hanes Beefy-T - Black
Screenprinting: 1 Color Front, 1 Color Back
Quantity: 75 (10 S, 10 M, 20 L, 10 XL, 20 XXL, 5 XXXL)

All-In Price (free shipping):
$9.42 each | $706.50 Total
(For 1 week Rush delivery add 25%)
Personalization: Names and/or numbers can be added to this item. For names, add $4.50 per item. For numbers, add $2.50 per item.
Sponsorship: Add our logo to your design and save $0.50/piece.
Click here for more money saving tips.

long sleeve:

Quote Specifications
Hanes Beefy-T Long-sleeve - Black
Screenprinting: 1 Color Front, 1 Color Back
Quantity: 75 (10 S, 10 M, 10 L, 20 XL, 20 XXL, 5 XXXL)

All-In Price (free shipping):
$12.99 each | $974.25 Total
(For 1 week Rush delivery add 25%)
Personalization: Names and/or numbers can be added to this item. For names, add $4.50 per item. For numbers, add $2.50 per item.
Sponsorship: Add our logo to your design and save $0.50/piece.
Click here for more money saving tips.

fucking 72 minimum quantity of mugs. balls.

36 mousepads at $6.29 ea.

meh

wolf wrote:

The blue glass coffee mug is more than classy. I would need several. I fear breakage.

Glass mug left in car overnight + hot coffee = new mug! :D

Now you know!

How much for the mugs?

<table align="center" bgcolor="#d7d7d7" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="300"><tbody><tr><td>Quote Specifications</td></tr><tr><td align="center">Clear Glass Mug - Midnight Blue
Screenprinting: 1 Color Front, 0 Color Back
Quantity: 72 (72 Quantity)</td></tr></tbody></table>
All-In Price (free shipping):
$5.92 each | $426.24 Total
(For 14 day Rush delivery add 25%)

think we could buy 72 of them for $10 ea.? 'twould pay for a couple months.

I'm in.

I will gladly pay you Tuesday, for a coffee mug today.

Ok, just kidding. I'll have two, please. But I'd rather just kick in the same amount of cash directly to the tip jar, and eliminate the overhead.

I'd buy one

I'd go two on the mugs. Have to think about the shirts.

I’m hesitant to encourage UT to complicate his life with huckstering.
More better we send money. :eyebrow:

yeah. i tend to agree. cool mug though, huh?

I'd take six since we are low on mugs, they break.
But hitting the tip jar is less complicated. so never mind.

Unless you order them.

they look cool, especially back lit like that, with the white seamless and the soft box overhead, and the white fill cards.

lumberjim wrote:

yeah. i tend to agree. cool mug though, huh?

Very cool....I have some like that with the Boeing logo. Make that had, I think I have 1 left. Didn't break 'em, just didn't want to listen to "Those are soooo pretty, I wish.......". You know the rest. :lol:

Probably right. Looks like we're back to Cafe Press for one-off stuff, though.

On a lighter note, I just want to point out that the tag line isn't nearly as funny today as it usually is... :lol:

I don't know. It's slightly reminiscent of "No child left behind" - which I thought was a riot.

so do we get a rebate for the outage time? well? HUH?


j/k! BTW: does the tip jar take PayPal?

The tip jar IS Paypal man!!

The move seems to have gone well except that Verizon has not picked up on the DNS change yet. A few of us will not be able to get on yet.

Looks like a lot of people haven't picked up on the change yet :|

Undertoad wrote:

The tip jar IS Paypal man!!

D'OH I never scroll down that far... :redface:

Yessss..... I am finally able to get back on! I couldn't get in all day today.

We've got Alaska and Colorado is now online. What's up with all the folks out East? ;)

Arkansas reporting as orderd !!!

marichiko wrote:

We've got Alaska and Colorado is now online. What's up with all the folks out East? ;)

well, fucking undertoad is out east, ya dumb asshole.

Congrats, UT on a successful move. A non-trivial exercise smartly executed. Good job, and thanks.

I think I forgot about the DNS time-to-live.

Strangely, AOL has picked up the DNS change, but Comcast has not.

Actually the strangest part is being grateful for something related to AOL ...

What a difference an hour makes. Okay, 45 minutes.

I can get on via comcast now.

Verizon picked it up too.

This should be the last move or anything for a long time.

comcast lost you again. *sigh*

And found you again. Maybe AOL shows it the way. I dunno. it's confusing, but i'm going to stop trying to figure it out before my head starts to hurt.

Damn!
I can't get here from my bookmark.
I can't get here by typing the Cellar in my browser.
I can't even get here from Google.
:(

So how did you get here?

Then... how are you here? :confused:

I gave B an alternate address via email.

Don't know what to suggest, except that www dot cellar.org might be different from cellar.org. Traffic says we're pretty much all the way back!

My access has been sporadic.

I came in through the bathroom window.
Yeah, I tried the wwwdot cellardot org and even the http://www etc.
Comcast is being recalcitrant.... so is Google. :smack:

Same this morning.
I can understand Comcast doesn't have their shit together but Google should be able to link.
Under the Cellar listing, which is still #1 for cellar in Google, it says, "cellar.org/ - 37k - Feb 17, 2006 - Cached - Similar pages".
The 17th was friday so maybe they haven't checked since before the move. Where are the spiders??? :confused:

This morning is the first time I've been able to get here since Friday afternoon, even THRU the bathroom window.

I'm breathing a sigh of relief. Whew!

It linked right up from my old desktop icon.

Google's link IS your Comcast connection - Google just presents the link, and it's up to your connection to decode it.

It should not still have trouble... how annoying.

Details for switching your DNS lookup to a better system:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13154925~mode=flat~days=9999

Woo Hoo :band: It worked! Changed DNS servers to 4.2.2.2 & 3 and it worked.
God I wish I understood what the hell I did, but I'm too lazy to expend the effort to learn all this shit. That would be like learning to rebuild an engine just to get to the bar. I think I'll just keep sucking up to, and annoying, my mechanic(geek) friends. :D

Well, gotta go now. I promised to, get this, help 2 people straighten out their PCs. :lol2:

xoxoxoBruce wrote:

Well, gotta go now. I promised to, get this, help 2 people straighten out their PCs. :lol2:

Yikes! What are you getting for your trouble? The only people that rate that from me (without paying) are my parents, in gratitude for them raising me to adulthood without strangling me (which was surely a weekly temptation, if not more often).

I have repaired, semi-repaired, and/or "non-repaired" just about every PC and/or every network of everyone I know in the last year. I am exhausted.

I did once have a friend who was working for one of the Kennedy clan who I gave some free support to. She asked me to quote a billable rate but I ended up doing it for free since it only took 5 minutes.

My best unpaid/unofficial support call was for a coworker who was also a mainframe programmer. He was on oncall support and had a laptop and modem for the first time. He called me at about 2am and woke me out of a sound sleep. I was, however, able to diagnose his problem in less than 30 seconds.

Him: Rich, it's ****. I'm trying to dial in to **** and I can't get a dial tone with the modem.
Me: Where are you?
Him: Upstairs.
Me: Where's the computer?
Him: In the room with me.
Me: Where's the phone you're using.
Him: Here in the room.
Me: How many phone jacks are in the room.
Him: One.
Me: If the phone's in the same room as the computer, what's the modem plugged into.
(click) I was left holding the phone.

We did a recreation for our company dinner.

Undertoad wrote:

I have repaired, semi-repaired, and/or "non-repaired" just about every PC and/or every network of everyone I know in the last year. I am exhausted.

:right:

I think I remember what happened there dude... I put in the new power supply and it didn't fly and so we decided it was the motherboard. ...or something?

SteveDallas wrote:

Yikes! What are you getting for your trouble? The only people that rate that from me (without paying) are my parents, in gratitude for them raising me to adulthood without strangling me (which was surely a weekly temptation, if not more often).

One's a friend with privileges and the other is the guy that stores my '57 chevy for me.

I got an email from Buster saying at 7pm tonight he still can't reach the Cellar.
I think he's on dsl, but I'm not sure. :(

I was wondering why I wasn't having any troubles with accessing the cellar, even right after the move (since I have Comcrap) when it hit me -- I run my own dns. That explains it. :rolleyes: