"She", not "he", guys

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

... Because names, it turns out, will never hurt you -- unless you permit them.

Where can I get one of those permits to call people names that hurt?

[classicman]

I'd chime in, but things seem to be flowing pretty good here.

[John Sellers]

Originally Posted by classicman

I's chime in, but things seem to be flowing pretty good here.

Well, I think Henry's a p'tahk for just starting this thread.

[Glinda]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

If he has a penis, is genetically male, then -- despite *self-definition -- he is 'he'.

Yes?

No?

Opinions?









*that Ibram self-defines as 'girl' is fine by me; that he believes any one else is obligated to address him as a girl (for no other reason than because he wants it that way) is absurd.

Speaking as someone who has no earthly clue what this little lover's spat is about and doesn't really care, I shall respond to the questions posed.

My opinion is: I can't even begin to understand why anybody would give a fuck. I certainly don't.

Unless, of course, this Ibram person is actually Poor Pitiful Whacked-Out Pam of yore, who killed her landlord with a pointy stick or something, in which case, I care even less.

[henry quirk]

"My gender is not open for "philosophical" discussion, and i'm reporting this post."

I say it is, guy, and, report away!

[henry quirk]

"...you don't get to start a thread attacking me PERSONALLY for it."

Demonstrably: I have begun a thread, so, you're wrong.

[henry quirk]

Eye of the beholder, guy.

[henry quirk]

"What if I called you "stupid"?"

You wouldn't be the first.

Have at it!

My skin is thick and I'm not sensitive.

[henry quirk]

"But it isn't really that simple."

Yes it is.

Culture doesn't alter reality. The transgender man (pre-op or after) is still 'male'.

Till nanotech advances to the point where tiny lil robots can zip into each cell and jigger 'round with DNA, no amount of cultural defining, surgery, or hormone shots alters the fact that male is male and female is female.

It is what it is...he is what he is.

*shrug*

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"why not accept someone else's self-definition?"

Speaking only for me: 'cause reality trumps my (or his) definitions.

If he wants to self-identify as 'girl' -- again -- that's fine...no profit for or cost to me if he self-defines as 'girl'.

But the cost to me is high if 'I' pretend he's a 'she', 'cause he's not.

[henry quirk]

As you like...and: who are you again that I should care?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Culture doesn't alter reality.

Language is culture, not reality. You don't interact with Ibram on a genetic level; you interact with her on an abstract personality level. A level on which the only reason not to use her preferred pronoun, and especially the only reason to do so in such an outspoken way, is to annoy her.

This thread is nothing but "I'm gonna be a jerk to Ibram. Anyone wanna join in?"

[BrianR]

Ibs, if you are going to be a tranny, you HAVE to develop a thick hide. It's a requirement. I agree with UT, you have been a little too sensitive to the jerks of the world. They are a fact of life and you will need to keep your head up high and ignore the little stuff.

The Cellar has a neat feature called the 'ignore' and it does just what it says. I have ignored people in the past and will do so in the future.

You are above the name-calling, always tell yourself that.

Love

Pam

[classicman]

You are need to rise above the name-calling, always tell yourself that.

[Ibby]

I believe in fighting intolerance and this kind of bullshit, not ignoring it and moving on. if i seem like i'm on a hair trigger it's only because I believe it's the duty of all moral people to fight back against this kind of hate with all they've got, every single time they see it.

[JBKlyde]

I agree with IBram this is sexual harassment.