Creation of the Universe - Page 2

hot_pastrami · 12-15-2003, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by juju
Although, I think I remember reading that there would not be a big crunch -- that everything would just drift apart and we would die a cold death.

This is the most likely current theory... entropy, and the speed at which matter is spreading out in the universe, suggests that eventually the universe will be a cloud of neutral particles. Even if there is a Big Crunch, it is almost certain that the universe will be in such a state when it starts to collapse, meaning that nobody could be around to observe the decelleration and recollapse of all the matter in the universe.

It's a bleak thought, though... the cyclic theory at least allows the opportunity for life to develop again in the next incarnation of the universe.

Happy Monkey · 12-15-2003, 04:56 PM

Apparently there are subatomic particles popping in and out of existence all the time. One (possibly out of favor) theory is that the harder a vacuum is, the more of them stick around. This could cause a steady-state universe.

Or I could be misremembering it completely. But it's a hopeful theory, that theoretically allows for indefinite survival.

hot_pastrami · 12-15-2003, 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by Happy Monkey
But it's a hopeful theory, that theoretically allows for indefinite survival.

If by "indefinite survival" you mean "the total eradication of all existing life in favor of a completely new and separate universe in which new life might appear," then sure.... that's survival. Either way, everybody in the universe dies. One way just means that extinction of one universe's life is not necessarily the extinction of all life, forever.

Either way, it's bleak. It's just a matter of exactly how bitterly bleak things are. I swear to god I'm the last fucking optimist left on this dismal little planet.

Happy Monkey · 12-15-2003, 10:48 PM

No, the theory I was mentioning allows indefinite survival, as new matter/energy appears to fill sparser areas of vacuum. But, of course, it is also one of the least regarded of the theories, with the most crackpottery associated (zero-point energy, etc.)

Slartibartfast · 12-16-2003, 09:11 AM

The universe is only going to exist for a few quintillion more years , *sniffle*, oh why does everything have to end?!*sniffle*

Life is so cruel! *choke*

oh, the existencial agony, I just can't take it ...*WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!*

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12-15-2003, 04:56 PM	#17
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Apparently there are subatomic particles popping in and out of existence all the time. One (possibly out of favor) theory is that the harder a vacuum is, the more of them stick around. This could cause a steady-state universe. Or I could be misremembering it completely. But it's a hopeful theory, that theoretically allows for indefinite survival. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

12-15-2003, 10:48 PM	#19
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	No, the theory I was mentioning allows indefinite survival, as new matter/energy appears to fill sparser areas of vacuum. But, of course, it is also one of the least regarded of the theories, with the most crackpottery associated (zero-point energy, etc.) __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

12-16-2003, 09:11 AM	#20
Slartibartfast \|-0-\| <-0-> \|-0-\| Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 516	The universe is only going to exist for a few quintillion more years , sniffle, oh why does everything have to end?!sniffle Life is so cruel! choke oh, the existencial agony, I just can't take it ...WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!! Last edited by Slartibartfast; 12-16-2003 at 09:17 AM.

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