UN involvement in US elections? - Page 2

FatFreddie · 07-27-2004, 03:44 PM

While I can see the Democrats cause for worry, simply put, it isn't any of the UN's business. It's our country and we'll have our elections thank you.
F

elSicomoro · 07-27-2004, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

what happened to syc's post?

Sorry...I wasn't satisfied with my initial post.

On one hand, I say why not? But at the same time, I can't help but wonder if Florida 2000 was an unfortunate fuckup that will not occur this year. I've heard some talk about Diebold, their voting machines and their link to the GOP, but I'm not really sweating that.

But even if we did have UN monitors here, it's not like we'd listen to them anyway.

Happy Monkey · 07-27-2004, 10:01 PM

Ain't nothing an inspector could do about a lot of the things Diebold could do.

wolf · 07-28-2004, 01:41 AM

Since I've already gone on record as saying we ought to cancel the UN's lease, get them the hell out of NY and have no further dealings with them, I suspect you know what my opinion of having that particular batch of one worlders having ANY involvement with this country's governmental processes might be.

Just in case anyone's forgotten ...

sovereign

SYLLABICATION: sov·er·eign

NOUN: 1. One that exercises supreme, permanent authority, especially in a nation or other governmental unit, as: a. A king, queen, or other noble person who serves as chief of state; a ruler or monarch. b. A national governing council or committee. 2. A nation that governs territory outside its borders. 3. A gold coin formerly used in Great Britain.
ADJECTIVE: 1. Self-governing; independent: a sovereign state. 2. Having supreme rank or power: a sovereign prince. 3. Paramount; supreme: Her sovereign virtue is compassion. 4a. Of superlative strength or efficacy: a sovereign remedy. b. Unmitigated: sovereign contempt.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English soverain, from Old French, from Vulgar Latin *supernus, from Latin super, above. See uper in Appendix I.
OTHER FORMS: sover·eign·ly —ADVERB

Cyber Wolf · 07-28-2004, 06:41 AM

I think that maybe for this 2004 election, it'd be a great idea to have an unbiased third party monitor the elections and make sure we don't have party-affiliated cronies working in poll locations or being anywhere NEAR the ballots/ballot machines and have a third party tally the results. Thing is, I don't think the UN is the one to do it. Maybe we could get some folks on loan from a country that's not royally pissed of with us right now for some reason, like...Canada maybe? Better yet, they're local!

Undertoad · 07-28-2004, 07:23 AM

In most polling locations around here there aren't enough interested people to even run the elections properly, and these are paid positions. In most jurisdictions it's easy to get to sit in and oversee the count at the end of the day. If the people are truly concerned about the accuracy of their election results they should take more of an interest in the process to begin with.

Radar · 07-28-2004, 09:23 AM

To borrow a phrase from the Republicans, "If they've got nothing to hide, they've got nothing to fear."

I can't stand the UN and I think we should withdraw immediately and tell them to move the HQ somewhere else. But I would not object to representatives of the UN monitoring the elections to ensure fairness and equity.

Catwoman · 07-28-2004, 09:26 AM

You can't stand the UN in principle or you can't stand the way it is run?

DanaC · 07-28-2004, 09:28 AM

"But I would not object to representatives of the UN monitoring the elections to ensure fairness and equity"

I will admit that surprised me some

lookout123 · 07-28-2004, 09:43 AM

that one surprised me to. i don't want them meeting within our borders let alone supervising any of our functions. allowing them to do that would only strengthen the resolve of kofi anan and other individuals that see the UN as a governing power with the ability to determine the US's political course.

DanaC · 07-28-2004, 09:58 AM

*chuckles* I really dont think anybody in the UN or without are labouring under any illusions on that score

Radar · 07-28-2004, 11:28 AM

I object to the UN's objectives, and to the fact that they consider themselves above the soveriegnty of nations. I object to the fact that they want to become a one world government. I object to the fact that they want to disarm nations including America. I object to the U.N. having a "security force". I object to having a "world court". I object to the socialist agenda of the U.N. I object to the UN being anything other than an international forum for peace talks, discussion, etc.

And I didn't say I'd want the UN to supervise the elections, just that I wouldn't object to UN representatives observing the elections. That's they least they owe us for all the money we've given them.

As I said, I'd be willing for the U.S. to totally and completely withdraw from the U.N. and to tell them to take their Headquarters elsewhere and to encourage our allies to do the same.

smoothmoniker · 07-28-2004, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar

...and to encourage our allies to do the same.

We have allies? huh. I didn't know ....

-sm

lookout123 · 07-28-2004, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoothmoniker

We have allies? huh. I didn't know ....

-sm

the ties between the UK and the US may be strained but they are still strong. not much has really changed. the french never really were allies anyway.

Carbonated_Brains · 07-28-2004, 12:05 PM

You have Morocco.

Morocco was the first nation to recognize the USA as a country, back in 1777.

And the embassy in Tangier is one of the oldest US official buildings outside of the US.

And you have the oldest non-broken friendship treaty in your history, with Morocco; since 1783.

-likes Morocco

07-27-2004, 03:44 PM	#16
FatFreddie Professional five year old, honorary X-Man Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Lawrence, KS Posts: 3	UN While I can see the Democrats cause for worry, simply put, it isn't any of the UN's business. It's our country and we'll have our elections thank you. F

07-27-2004, 10:01 PM	#18
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Ain't nothing an inspector could do about a lot of the things Diebold could do. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

07-28-2004, 01:41 AM	#19
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Since I've already gone on record as saying we ought to cancel the UN's lease, get them the hell out of NY and have no further dealings with them, I suspect you know what my opinion of having that particular batch of one worlders having ANY involvement with this country's governmental processes might be. Just in case anyone's forgotten ... sovereign SYLLABICATION: sov·er·eign NOUN: 1. One that exercises supreme, permanent authority, especially in a nation or other governmental unit, as: a. A king, queen, or other noble person who serves as chief of state; a ruler or monarch. b. A national governing council or committee. 2. A nation that governs territory outside its borders. 3. A gold coin formerly used in Great Britain. ADJECTIVE: 1. Self-governing; independent: a sovereign state. 2. Having supreme rank or power: a sovereign prince. 3. Paramount; supreme: Her sovereign virtue is compassion. 4a. Of superlative strength or efficacy: a sovereign remedy. b. Unmitigated: sovereign contempt. ETYMOLOGY: Middle English soverain, from Old French, from Vulgar Latin supernus, from Latin super, above. See uper in Appendix I. OTHER FORMS: sover·eign·ly —ADVERB __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island* High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

07-28-2004, 06:41 AM	#20
Cyber Wolf As stable as a ring of PU-239 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: On a huge rock covered in water, highly advanced moss and 7 billion parasites Posts: 1,264	I think that maybe for this 2004 election, it'd be a great idea to have an unbiased third party monitor the elections and make sure we don't have party-affiliated cronies working in poll locations or being anywhere NEAR the ballots/ballot machines and have a third party tally the results. Thing is, I don't think the UN is the one to do it. Maybe we could get some folks on loan from a country that's not royally pissed of with us right now for some reason, like...Canada maybe? Better yet, they're local! __________________ "I don't see what's so triffic about creating people as people and then getting' upset 'cos they act like people." ~Adam Young, Good Omens "I don't see why it matters what is written. Not when it's about people. It can always be crossed out." ~Adam Young, Good Omens

07-28-2004, 09:23 AM	#22
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	To borrow a phrase from the Republicans, "If they've got nothing to hide, they've got nothing to fear." I can't stand the UN and I think we should withdraw immediately and tell them to move the HQ somewhere else. But I would not object to representatives of the UN monitoring the elections to ensure fairness and equity. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

07-28-2004, 07:23 AM	#21
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	In most polling locations around here there aren't enough interested people to even run the elections properly, and these are paid positions. In most jurisdictions it's easy to get to sit in and oversee the count at the end of the day. If the people are truly concerned about the accuracy of their election results they should take more of an interest in the process to begin with.

07-28-2004, 09:26 AM	#23
Catwoman stalking a Tom Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: on the edge of the english channel Posts: 1,000	You can't stand the UN in principle or you can't stand the way it is run? __________________ I've decided I'm not going to have a signature anymore.

07-28-2004, 09:28 AM	#24
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	"But I would not object to representatives of the UN monitoring the elections to ensure fairness and equity" I will admit that surprised me some

07-28-2004, 09:43 AM	#25
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	that one surprised me to. i don't want them meeting within our borders let alone supervising any of our functions. allowing them to do that would only strengthen the resolve of kofi anan and other individuals that see the UN as a governing power with the ability to determine the US's political course. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

07-28-2004, 09:58 AM	#26
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	chuckles I really dont think anybody in the UN or without are labouring under any illusions on that score

07-28-2004, 11:28 AM	#27
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	I object to the UN's objectives, and to the fact that they consider themselves above the soveriegnty of nations. I object to the fact that they want to become a one world government. I object to the fact that they want to disarm nations including America. I object to the U.N. having a "security force". I object to having a "world court". I object to the socialist agenda of the U.N. I object to the UN being anything other than an international forum for peace talks, discussion, etc. And I didn't say I'd want the UN to supervise the elections, just that I wouldn't object to UN representatives observing the elections. That's they least they owe us for all the money we've given them. As I said, I'd be willing for the U.S. to totally and completely withdraw from the U.N. and to tell them to take their Headquarters elsewhere and to encourage our allies to do the same. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

07-28-2004, 12:05 PM	#30
Carbonated_Brains Does it show up here when I type? Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Between the smoky layers of a prosciutto sandwich! Posts: 355	You have Morocco. Morocco was the first nation to recognize the USA as a country, back in 1777. And the embassy in Tangier is one of the oldest US official buildings outside of the US. And you have the oldest non-broken friendship treaty in your history, with Morocco; since 1783. -likes Morocco

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