Jeeps

BrianR · 06-20-2012, 09:38 PM

We wants one.

Which one? I'm thinking Rubicon, wife doesn't know. We want tough, dependable, off-road capable and reasonably practical.

We don't really drive off-road much, but our road is dirt and muddy when it rains. There are deep ditches on either side that can trap an unwary driver. The Jeep should be able to get out of there on it's own and, should it be required, light off-roading on a friend's ranch. Four wheel drive is a must. Four doors would be really nice. Modifiable is a good thing. I will want tough bumpers, roll bar, winch and probably a snorkel.

What I want right now is the basic package. Model, engine and transmission package that will provide the basis for upgrading as far as we want to go.

Any Jeep enthusiasts that can offer advice?

Pam

classicman · 06-20-2012, 11:21 PM

Take mine - cheap! I think its a P.O.S. I've had to dump more into it than I paid for it.
Trans, electrical, ignition, tires, brakes... did I mention P.O.S.?

jimhelm · 06-21-2012, 10:06 AM

I know a bit.

You going new or used? Wranglers don't get below $5k for anything worth buying, but Cherokees do. You can modify anything. Quadratec.com is a good place for parts.

The Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited (4door) is a hard core crawler from the factory. It's also big $$.

The Cherokee is light, and very very good in dirt and snow. They stopped making them in 01, but you still see them around. Or you could get a Grand Cherokee very reasonably if you don't mind a few miles.

glatt · 06-21-2012, 10:20 AM

Yeah, but can you take the doors off a Cherokee?
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My neighbor took me for a ride in his jeep with the doors off a couple weeks ago, and it was a blast. Seems like if you are going to go for a somewhat impracticable vehicle like a jeep, you should go for maximum fun factor. Otherwise consider getting a used Subaru. It'll have 4WD and be more reliable and last longer. (Consumer Reports this year said that Subaru now makes the best cars, stealing that title from Toyota.)

BrianR · 06-21-2012, 11:58 AM

Jim, don't they still make a Grand Cherokee? I see one on the Jeep website. It doesn't look like it used to but...

Or is it not the same anymore?

We want new. It's going to get some aftermarket stuff but not for serious off-roading. I drive AROUND rocks, not OVER them. But this is for my wife. I am content with my Avalanche, even though I really wish I had gotten more options and four wheel drive. Maybe I can trade up before they cancel the line.

I'll be talking to my dealer and the bank about that.

Back to the hypothetical Jeep. It has a five speed and a six speed trans. Which should I spec? My wife is useless for opinions beyond which color. Manual, definitely. We both can drive a manual trans. I seem to remember that they are more reliable than automatics. Or has that changed?

jimhelm · 06-21-2012, 12:07 PM

Less to go wrong... but if you're bad at it, you can go through clutches.

If you're going new, and want off road capability, go with the Wrangler. The Grand Cherokee has become a luxury station wagon. They still get it down the Rubicon Trail so they can put the Trail Rated badge on it... but unless you lift it and do some serious suspension mods, it's not really ready to bang around in the dirt.

If you can afford the Rubicon, go that way. It's pretty much ready to go on the trails. I'd say 6 speed if there's a choice. The Rubicon has a Dana44 rear, which means it does not like going more than about 70MPH in 5th. I assume they put the 6 speed out for that reason. Jinx got a 4 door sport, and it's pretty bad ass. damn near as big as my Commander, too.

BrianR · 06-22-2012, 12:04 PM

Thanks Jim. That's exactly the kind of information I was looking for. Six speed it is! Around our place, a 55 mph zone is a block away and it goes up from there.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-22-2012, 01:36 PM

A comfortable speed is dictated by the gear ratio Jeep chooses to use, not the fact they are using a Dana 44. Some very fast cars, like E-Jags, used a Dana 44.

jimhelm · 06-22-2012, 04:29 PM

The rear in the Rubicon is a 4.10 ratio. The standard rear is a 3.21, or 3.73 if you have the tow package.

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oh, and Brian. there's only one Manual tranny. (no pun intended) and it's a 6 speed. there are two auto trannys. 4 or 5 speed. probably paired to the 4 or 6 cyl motor.

06-20-2012, 09:38 PM	#1
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	Jeeps We wants one. Which one? I'm thinking Rubicon, wife doesn't know. We want tough, dependable, off-road capable and reasonably practical. We don't really drive off-road much, but our road is dirt and muddy when it rains. There are deep ditches on either side that can trap an unwary driver. The Jeep should be able to get out of there on it's own and, should it be required, light off-roading on a friend's ranch. Four wheel drive is a must. Four doors would be really nice. Modifiable is a good thing. I will want tough bumpers, roll bar, winch and probably a snorkel. What I want right now is the basic package. Model, engine and transmission package that will provide the basis for upgrading as far as we want to go. Any Jeep enthusiasts that can offer advice? Pam __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

06-20-2012, 11:21 PM	#2
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Take mine - cheap! I think its a P.O.S. I've had to dump more into it than I paid for it. Trans, electrical, ignition, tires, brakes... did I mention P.O.S.? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

06-21-2012, 10:06 AM	#3
jimhelm a beautiful fool Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 39.939705 Posts: 4,504	I know a bit. You going new or used? Wranglers don't get below $5k for anything worth buying, but Cherokees do. You can modify anything. Quadratec.com is a good place for parts. The Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited (4door) is a hard core crawler from the factory. It's also big $$. The Cherokee is light, and very very good in dirt and snow. They stopped making them in 01, but you still see them around. Or you could get a Grand Cherokee very reasonably if you don't mind a few miles. __________________ There's a Shadow just behind me. Shrouding every step I take. Making every promise empty, pointing every finger at me. _tool

06-21-2012, 10:20 AM	#4
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Yeah, but can you take the doors off a Cherokee? My neighbor took me for a ride in his jeep with the doors off a couple weeks ago, and it was a blast. Seems like if you are going to go for a somewhat impracticable vehicle like a jeep, you should go for maximum fun factor. Otherwise consider getting a used Subaru. It'll have 4WD and be more reliable and last longer. (Consumer Reports this year said that Subaru now makes the best cars, stealing that title from Toyota.)

06-21-2012, 11:58 AM	#5
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	Jim, don't they still make a Grand Cherokee? I see one on the Jeep website. It doesn't look like it used to but... Or is it not the same anymore? We want new. It's going to get some aftermarket stuff but not for serious off-roading. I drive AROUND rocks, not OVER them. But this is for my wife. I am content with my Avalanche, even though I really wish I had gotten more options and four wheel drive. Maybe I can trade up before they cancel the line. I'll be talking to my dealer and the bank about that. Back to the hypothetical Jeep. It has a five speed and a six speed trans. Which should I spec? My wife is useless for opinions beyond which color. Manual, definitely. We both can drive a manual trans. I seem to remember that they are more reliable than automatics. Or has that changed? __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

06-21-2012, 12:07 PM	#6
jimhelm a beautiful fool Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 39.939705 Posts: 4,504	Less to go wrong... but if you're bad at it, you can go through clutches. If you're going new, and want off road capability, go with the Wrangler. The Grand Cherokee has become a luxury station wagon. They still get it down the Rubicon Trail so they can put the Trail Rated badge on it... but unless you lift it and do some serious suspension mods, it's not really ready to bang around in the dirt. If you can afford the Rubicon, go that way. It's pretty much ready to go on the trails. I'd say 6 speed if there's a choice. The Rubicon has a Dana44 rear, which means it does not like going more than about 70MPH in 5th. I assume they put the 6 speed out for that reason. Jinx got a 4 door sport, and it's pretty bad ass. damn near as big as my Commander, too. __________________ There's a Shadow just behind me. Shrouding every step I take. Making every promise empty, pointing every finger at me. _tool

06-22-2012, 12:04 PM	#7
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	Thanks Jim. That's exactly the kind of information I was looking for. Six speed it is! Around our place, a 55 mph zone is a block away and it goes up from there. __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

06-22-2012, 01:36 PM	#8
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	A comfortable speed is dictated by the gear ratio Jeep chooses to use, not the fact they are using a Dana 44. Some very fast cars, like E-Jags, used a Dana 44. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-22-2012, 04:29 PM	#9
jimhelm a beautiful fool Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 39.939705 Posts: 4,504	The rear in the Rubicon is a 4.10 ratio. The standard rear is a 3.21, or 3.73 if you have the tow package. link oh, and Brian. there's only one Manual tranny. (no pun intended) and it's a 6 speed. there are two auto trannys. 4 or 5 speed. probably paired to the 4 or 6 cyl motor. __________________ There's a Shadow just behind me. Shrouding every step I take. Making every promise empty, pointing every finger at me. _tool

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