Vegans are literally stupid

Undertoad · 02-21-2005, 03:43 PM

Provocative enough thread title for you?

Children 'harmed' by vegan diets

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The changes seen in the children given the meat, and to a lesser extent the milk or oil, were dramatic.

These children grew more and performed better on problem-solving and intelligence tests than any of the other children at the end of the two years.

They also became more active, talkative and playful at school.

Eat what you like, but leave your kid out of it.

Troubleshooter · 02-21-2005, 03:54 PM

I used the title, "Vegans are 'tards: A Self-fulfilling Paradigm" elsewhere.

Like we needed a study...

jinx · 02-21-2005, 05:18 PM

But is

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The 544 children studied had been raised on diets chiefly consisting of starchy, low-nutrition corn and bean staples lacking these micronutrients.

the typical diet of a vegan? Ever been to a health food store? Or a produce department for that matter....

garnet · 02-21-2005, 05:50 PM

Hmmm, it must be "Shit on Garnet Day" again.

Disappointing, UT, that you would put any faith in a "study" that was partially funded by the lobbying arm of the USDA. The cattle ranchers and the meat and milk industries have the USDA bought and paid for.

But that's OK, guys, I'm not insulted. I've been a vegan for 3 years, a vegetarian for about 12. I'm not "retarded" as TS so idiotically put it; in fact I think I'm pretty darn intelligent. And I'm in perfect health with perfect blood pressure and low cholesterol. I'm not overweight, and I think I look pretty good too.

So go scarf some burgers and chug your milk, boys--I'll stick with the vegan thing. It's working out just fine for me.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-21-2005, 06:10 PM

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Hmmm, it must be "Shit on Garnet Day" again.

There you go taking it personally.
It's a legitimate post on a serious topic with a link to a current article.
I'm not saying the article is right or wrong, just that it is worth discussing and not aimed at any one member. We have a few vegans around, you know.

garnet · 02-21-2005, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

There you go taking it personally.
It's a legitimate post on a serious topic with a link to a current article.
I'm not saying the article is right or wrong, just that it is worth discussing and not aimed at any one member. We have a few vegans around, you know.

I take it personally because of TS's comment above. It's a blanket statement that ALL vegans are stupid, and UT is basically saying the same thing with the title he chose to use.

I don't like being called stupid by people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

And who are these other vegan cellarites? I can't think of one.

russotto · 02-22-2005, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by garnet

Hmmm, it must be "Shit on Garnet Day" again.

Disappointing, UT, that you would put any faith in a "study" that was partially funded by the lobbying arm of the USDA. The cattle ranchers and the meat and milk industries have the USDA bought and paid for.

Much as I hate to agree with garnet or any vegetarian or vegan, I have to agree with this.

Strip away the spin and the study basically says that malnutrition is bad for children, which isn't exactly news. It doesn't say that vegans are necessarily malnourished, only that it's simple to avoid this particular sort of malnourishment by eating meat. Again, not news. Not even to vegans.

garnet · 02-22-2005, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Veganism doesn't do it for me: it's overly citified and an antisurvival behavior. Get in a situation where vegetable foods are not available but animal foods are, and you either ditch the veganism or starve, possibly to death. Not my idea of a sensible philosophy. Omnivory's the way that doesn't impede survival even in difficult circumstances.

And when was the last time you were in danger of starving to death? That philosophy might fly in Sudan or Ethiopia, but how often do you hear of people starving to death in the US? The "survival" agrument doesn't work here, where we have the most plentiful supply of food anywhere.

And if I were in danger of starving to death and meat were the only option for me, of course I'd eat it. I'm not stupid.

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Originally Posted by 404Error

It's not like they're going to keel over from a coronary at age 5 or 6, right?

Actually, kids raised on typical Western diets of meat and milk can start showing build-up in their arteries at around age three. That carries over into adulthood. Actually Dr. Spock's book has lots of information about that.

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Originally Posted by russotto

Much as I hate to agree with garnet or any vegetarian or vegan, I have to agree with this.

Russotto, can I ask you a question? Is there a reason you felt the need to slam me rather than just making your point? Was it fun for you? I'm just curious.

russotto · 02-22-2005, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by garnet

Russotto, can I ask you a question? Is there a reason you felt the need to slam me rather than just making your point? Was it fun for you? I'm just curious.

If you think that was a slam, you should see some of the stuff I write to people I REALLY dislike. For it to be a slam, I'd have to say or imply something bad about you.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go back to writing my paper on how a strict vegan diet causes irritability in women.

(see, THAT was a slam).

garnet · 02-22-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by russotto

If you think that was a slam, you should see some of the stuff I write to people I REALLY dislike. For it to be a slam, I'd have to say or imply something bad about you.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go back to writing my paper on how a strict vegan diet causes irritability in women.

(see, THAT was a slam).

That's the best you cou do for a "slam"? Disappointing.

Undertoad · 02-21-2005, 06:54 PM

sorry, it's the naturally aggressive tendencies I have from devouring flesh every day.

garnet · 02-21-2005, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

sorry, it's the naturally aggressive tendencies I have from devouring flesh every day.

Good for you.

Enjoy your flesh, have your quadruple bypass, and leave me out of it.

Undertoad · 02-21-2005, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by garnet

Enjoy your flesh, have your quadruple bypass, and leave me out of it.

Silly, I don't eat human flesh!

Griff · 02-21-2005, 07:48 PM

HA!

lookout123 · 02-21-2005, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Silly, I don't eat human flesh!

geez, another half-assed carnivore on display...

02-21-2005, 03:54 PM	#2
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	I used the title, "Vegans are 'tards: A Self-fulfilling Paradigm" elsewhere. Like we needed a study... __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

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garnet ... Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 657	Hmmm, it must be "Shit on Garnet Day" again. Disappointing, UT, that you would put any faith in a "study" that was partially funded by the lobbying arm of the USDA. The cattle ranchers and the meat and milk industries have the USDA bought and paid for. But that's OK, guys, I'm not insulted. I've been a vegan for 3 years, a vegetarian for about 12. I'm not "retarded" as TS so idiotically put it; in fact I think I'm pretty darn intelligent. And I'm in perfect health with perfect blood pressure and low cholesterol. I'm not overweight, and I think I look pretty good too. So go scarf some burgers and chug your milk, boys--I'll stick with the vegan thing. It's working out just fine for me. Last edited by garnet; 02-21-2005 at 05:57 PM.

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