Brits: how much do you hate Americans

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Rich, here's a deep philosophical question and one I perceive you do not yet have an answer to: When is it not good to destroy totalitarian government and its inherent evils? If humans want to be and to behave like humans, dictators must die or flee the country. In any case, they must cease, desist, lay off or bugger off.

It is thinking of this kind from you that leads me to cry BS, Rich so routinely. I'll also let you know when I believe you're thinking better -- sounds fair?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

When is it not good to destroy totalitarian government and its inherent evils?

When you can't replace it with something better. Anarchy is worse than dictatorship, and anarchy usually coalesces into several smaller dictatorships which are continually at war. So you end up exactly where you were, minus tens of thousands of people and billions in infrastructure.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Anarchy is not good, and I don't trust it one little bit, but dictatorship is even worse. Established dictatorship offers no hope of improvement -- as long as the dictator can dictate, life sucks for anyone not the dictator today, tomorrow, next week, next year. Suckage, on and on, without prospect of relief, let alone betterment.

We Americans, and more and more the Iraqis as well, are replacing it with something better. The antidemocrats are having no effect, and that is precisely what they deserve. This is true however fanatically you choose to believe otherwise, Monkey, for motivations that I can only see as so deranged, so evil, so inhuman, so false, so totalitarian-friendly, so brutal, so discreditable, and so stone stupid that you will never dare to air them when I'm around.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

This is true however fanatically you choose to believe otherwise, Monkey, for motivations that I can only see as
blah blah blah
that you will never dare to air them when I'm around.

Only because you'd harrangue me with some tedious faux-moralistic diatribe that does nothing but lay out your prejudices in fine detail.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

I'll also let you know when I believe you're thinking better -- sounds fair?

Well, if the doctor screws up my kidney exam and ends up giving me a lobotomy, I may come around to your way of thinking. Heres hoping.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

In other words, Happy Monkey, you can't meet the challenge. Understood.

I do think the less of you for that, though. This is not wholly unexpected; most of the people who really, really disagree with me also suffer from intellectual cowardice: no courage of the convictions they say they hold.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

We Americans, and more and more the Iraqis as well, are replacing it with something better. The antidemocrats are having no effect, and that is precisely what they deserve. This is true however fanatically you choose to believe otherwise, Monkey, for motivations that I can only see as so deranged, so evil, so inhuman, so false, so totalitarian-friendly, so brutal, so discreditable, and so stone stupid that you will never dare to air them when I'm around.

Yes, we are replacing our government but is it better? Both you and Monkey believe in your guys and properly attribute the opposition with those defects inheirent in politicians. Right now, I have to back HM because your guys are in the ascendency and are destroying rule of law and further strengthening an already bloated executive. When Hillary wins the seat, you'll change your tune.

[jaguar]

I think UG is a bot, working on the same principle as google translate but with freerepublic.com as the data source.

Plato got governance right.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by jaguar

I think UG is a bot, working on the same principle as google translate but with freerepublic.com as the data source. ...

You heard it here first.

Originally Posted by BigV

I have an increasingly hard time imagining you as a real person. The high handed language, the raucous exclamations of your superiority, your blanket condemnations of everyone opposed to your postion, these make for incandescent campaign rhetoric, but it is not the language thinking people use to exchange ideas. You, hmm, your posts portray you as a training bot, a sparring mannequin to sharpen my own thoughts, my own ability to articulate my ideas. That's worthwhile and I'm happy for it. But I just can't get my head around someone who contends that opposition to the death penalty is evidence of a deplorable deficit in one's commitment to human goodness. You have got to be kidding me.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by BigV

You heard it here first.

OOOh, I see a Cellar Poll coming on.

Is UG a bot, a nom de troll or the alter ego of a legitimate Cellarite?

If he is a bot, what language is he written in. The disjointed arguments and circular logic would suggest something like Visual Basic, or an early version of C.

Have we ever seen Marichiko and UG in the same place at the same time?

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Enjoy yourselves; I'll watch.

[jaguar]

Considering it's nonsensical, I'd put my money on perl, first choice for writing weird shit bar none.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Griff

Yes, we are replacing our government but is it better? Both you and Monkey believe in your guys and properly attribute the opposition with those defects inheirent in politicians.

A Libertarian has to ask if replacing a dictator with a broadbased, representative government is better? Astounding. How does one account for this? Are you troubled at the turbulence of this watershed period in Iraq's history? I'm not, especially not when the pro-totalitarian insurgents aren't persuading the rest of Iraq to go back into the thrall of a dictatorship.

Right now, I have to back HM because your guys are in the ascendency and are destroying rule of law and further strengthening an already bloated executive.

Back HM? What's to back? The man wussed out when I challenged him on his motivations for opposing this war against some quite icky tyrannically inclined mass, and repetitive, murderers. Destroying the rule of law? -- matter of opinion, and the opinions are most tightly held by the fringy partisans. I noted and still note that this Administration takes the Bill of Rights as a guide to its behavior, rather than the previous Administration's attitude, manifest in its actions, that the BoR was a stumbling block to its ambitions. Which leads me to my next point, inasmuch as she was closely involved and palpably helped to shape that Administration's manner of governance:

When Hillary wins the seat, you'll change your tune.

Hillary will never occupy the Oval Office as long as Americans are possessed of normal memory. This Saul Alinsky socialist would be extremely bad for the Republic, and a great ally to tyrants and one-party statists worldwide.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

In other words, Happy Monkey, you can't meet the challenge. Understood.

What challenge? "Never dare air them when you're around"? If you mean around on the site, then you're obvously wrong, since you are responding to them. If you mean around in person, which is how I took it, then I would absolutely not debate with you face to face. Your overbearing, insulting, bullyish tone is only barely bearable in text form, and would be impossible to deal with in person.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Your overbearing, insulting, bullyish tone is only barely bearable in text form, and would be impossible to deal with in person.

I beg to differ, actually it might be a pleasure to deal with in person.