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Old 02-18-2020, 09:33 AM   #346
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"Henry, as I understand your position you want hands off businesses, no government regulations."

Yep, in a free nation, with minimal watchmen proxies, with self-reliant and -directing citizens.

Today, in a controlled nation, with a monstrous government, with a largely domesticated citizenry: nope.
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:43 AM   #347
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My employee is raidin' the coffers? I want his orange head on a stick! Help a brother out and lay some specifics on me.
We could start with his financial interest in the steel that's going into the wall.

Or just the fact that he deliberately billets his secret service and occasional military members in his hotels and charges book.

I mean, if you're okay with corruption, I can see how none of this would bother you.
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:45 AM   #348
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Surely, my employee is not the first to scratch backs?
Okay. So these aren't actually principles, just he's "your employee."

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Old 02-18-2020, 10:25 AM   #349
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We could start with his financial interest in the steel that's going into the wall.

Or just the fact that he deliberately billets his secret service and occasional military members in his hotels and charges book.

I mean, if you're okay with corruption, I can see how none of this would bother you.
As I say, as long as he's doin' what I hired him to do, I don't care about the rest.

More broadly: in my experience, folks only get their knickers in a twist about corruption when it's the other tribe's corruption.
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Old 02-18-2020, 10:31 AM   #350
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Okay. So these aren't actually principles, just he's "your employee."

My principles are paramount in this: I believe I own myself. I believe I have the right to self-defend. The gov is my enemy: it'll kill me or leash me. Trump is a jagged broken beer bottle for me to hold up to the whore's throat.

Trump, as I say, is an instrument.
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Old 02-18-2020, 11:34 AM   #351
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My principles are paramount in this: I believe I own myself. I believe I have the right to self-defend. The gov is my enemy: it'll kill me or leash me. Trump is a jagged broken beer bottle for me to hold up to the whore's throat.

Trump, as I say, is an instrument.
So, using fascism as a means to secure freedom.

That's certainly one for the books.
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Old 02-18-2020, 12:04 PM   #352
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So, using fascism as a means to secure freedom.

That's certainly one for the books.
Is this...

Definition of fascism
1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
early instances of army fascism and brutality
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...happening?

Where? I'm not seein' it. I, personally, am not experiencin' it (and, I don't think you are either).
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Old 02-18-2020, 12:43 PM   #353
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Henry, as someone who believes in letting other people do their thing, I assume you must be in favor of very loose immigration policies?
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Old 02-18-2020, 01:04 PM   #354
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Henry, as someone who believes in letting other people do their thing, I assume you must be in favor of very loose immigration policies?
Yep, in a free nation, with minimal watchmen proxies, with self-reliant and -directing citizens.

Come: take cafe of yourself.


Today, in a controlled nation, with a monstrous government, with a largely domesticated citizenry: nope.

Stay where you are: I don't wanna pay for you.
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Is this...

Definition of fascism
1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
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...happening?

Where? I'm not seein' it. I, personally, am not experiencin' it (and, I don't think you are either).
If you don't see it coming up to speed, you are simply not wanting to see it.
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Old 02-18-2020, 01:26 PM   #356
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If you don't see it coming up to speed, you are simply not wanting to see it.
mebbe

could be, though, it just ain't happenin'
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Old 02-18-2020, 03:31 PM   #357
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mebbe

could be, though, it just ain't happenin'
I'm watching the judiciary, if they fail to show independence we've got real trouble. There is no doubt in my mind that Trump has authoritarian tendencies, the resiliency of the rest of government would seem to be the question.
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Old 02-18-2020, 04:19 PM   #358
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Do you have doubt that the Legislative Republicans are all in on authoritarian Trump?
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Old 02-18-2020, 04:38 PM   #359
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I'm watching the judiciary, if they fail to show independence we've got real trouble. There is no doubt in my mind that Trump has authoritarian tendencies, the resiliency of the rest of government would seem to be the question.
That's a slippery standard, and far too easy to view through a partisan lens.

Me: I'm not worried about judicial independence. I'm watchin' how, over the long haul, the courts move to bolster gov or deplete gov.
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Old 02-18-2020, 04:45 PM   #360
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Do you have doubt that the Legislative Republicans are all in on authoritarian Trump?
All in on Trump? Sure seems that way.

It's his supposed fascism/authoritarianism that's on the table.

As I say: I ain't seein' it. And if I, more sensitive to infringements on liberty than most, ain't seein' it, then it probably ain't happenin'.
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