Stand up or GTFO.

lumberjim · 08-29-2016, 10:40 PM

Kapernick can suck it. So can the pc media that is afraid to offend anyone by treating an asshole like an asshole.

You wanna take a political stance? Fine. Do it in a political arena. Retire from the game and join Black Lives Matter with your woman. Refuse to honor the country that makes your rich man life style possible and you look like a hypocritical asshole.

Why not burn a flag, Colin, ya cunt?

lumberjim · 08-29-2016, 10:53 PM

The niners might have cut him for being bad at his job, but now they'll have to consider the reaction of the public if they do. He has regressed steadily since losing the super bowl, and lost his job to Gabbert. I hope they have the bawls to make their football decisions without feeling pressure from the pussified public opinion.

Griff · 08-30-2016, 06:27 AM

I stand when its played so I don't offend anyone who has served. It is however just a flag and just a song and the values they supposedly and apparently less and less over time actually represent include free speech. I was that dick who sat through the flag worship in high school. All this nationalistic bullshit makes it easier for politicians to get young people killed. When this country does great things the flag and the song stir me. When this country does terrible things and tries to wrap it in a flag it does not. I don't know Colin from Adam and I think Black Lives Matters should have added "too" to their name but we do have things to talk about in this country and he maybe just isn't feeling that Hitler Youthy right now. Does it not strike anyone else as strange that we do the SSB with full military regalia before private for profit events? If they sang it in German we'd all reflect.

just me being a dick

Sundae · 08-30-2016, 06:49 AM

I don't think you're being a dick, Griff.
I don't think LJ is either to be fair.

We don't have the same issues with flag & anthem over here, so for me it was a really peculiar thing to read about. A piece of cloth and a song?
But then also - a country that still feels so divided?
And then again a young man paid more than I will EVER earn in my life making such a pathetic gesture? If you care that much little boi, go out and DO something. Give some of your lovely loot to the families who are affected, and stand up with everyone else and keep your mouth shut.

But what do I know? I'm sat in a public funded library. I can afford to eat thanks to the Government benefits and a generous friend. I've just had 16 days in hospital I didn't pay a penny for.
And I was born white and English, and if I believed in God I'd thank him for that. Except maybe I might ask to be Welsh. And to have had an intolerance to alcohol.

Spexxvet · 08-30-2016, 07:42 AM

this

glatt · 08-30-2016, 07:55 AM

The NFL is entertainment. If he's pissing off the viewers so they stop watching, then that hurts the NFL and if he hurts the NFL more than he helps them, he's gonna get kicked to the curb.

Our country is fairly divided. If we can be reminded now and then that we are all Americans and in this together, I think that's a good thing. I've got no problem with the flag stuff at games. I think it's nice.

I don't like the military stuff at games. The military is only a small fraction of what this country is about. It's a recruiting gig for them. Business. Plain and simple, just like the NFL is business, plain and simple.

He's a fool. We are all talking about him and not his cause.

footfootfoot · 08-30-2016, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundae

And to have had an intolerance to alcohol.

It would seem that do.

Undertoad · 08-30-2016, 08:07 AM

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I don't like the military stuff at games. The military is only a small fraction of what this country is about. It's a recruiting gig for them. Business. Plain and simple, just like the NFL is business, plain and simple.

Guess what oh you'll never guess I'll just tellya.

Honoring the troops? Jet fly-over? Flag ceremony? The military pays the NFL for all that stuff.

tw · 08-30-2016, 11:18 AM

I prefer someone who wraps themself up in the flag. And then burns the flag. It make a better show.

elSicomoro · 08-30-2016, 01:17 PM

I clearly remember what happened with Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf 20 years ago.

I love our country, and am happy to stand up during the National Anthem. But I also understand why someone like Colin Kaepernick takes issue with that. This is one of the best articles I've seen that talks about it: http://theundefeated.com/features/ta...tional-anthem/

Ultimately, Kaepernick has the right to protest (and it is protected by his employers), and you have the right to be pissed about the situation. But I ask you to think about this: we are blessed with so many freedoms in this country, and yet, we are so outraged that someone is exercising such a freedom.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."--Evelyn Beatrice Hall

Gravdigr · 08-30-2016, 01:20 PM

I'd like to see the fans exercise their right to stand up and turn their backs to him when he takes the field.

Respect the people who made it possible for you to have free speech.

Or GTFO.

regular.joe · 08-31-2016, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr

Respect the people who made it possible for you to have free speech.

Or GTFO.

In the 24+ years that I spent on active duty in the Army, including the first Gulf War and especially after 2003, I can't think of a thing that the military has done to guarantee any of the great freedoms we enjoy here in the United States. I've been to Iraq twice, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Jordan, Egypt, Kuwait and Qutar. Nothing that we have done has had any impact one way or the other on your ability to exercise free speech here in the United States. The last time that I can think of that the military was called upon to guarantee rights secured by the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments to our constitution was during the enforcement of desegregation of schools in the south. I am a fan though of the sentiment put forth in the book "Stormship Troopers". When one is willing to lay their life on the line for the body politic, that deserves our respect.

I will make this distinction though: the safety and security of the United States and her interests is vastly different than securing your freedoms here within our borders. Vastly different because there is no existential threat to the United States. None. Getting hit and being put down are two vastly different things as well. But, that is probably another conversation for another thread.

Griff · 08-31-2016, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

It's not the non performance of a ritual that irks me. It's the disruption. He is paid very well to be a pro football player. He's not paid to be a political activist. If he wants to burn flags and preach his rhetoric on his own time, great. While he's in uniform and representing his team and the league, he needs to shelve his personal agenda.

I do have some sympathy with that.

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Originally Posted by regular.joe

...I am a fan though of the sentiment put forth in the book "Stormship Troopers". When one is willing to lay their life on the line for the body politic, that deserves our respect...

...I will make this distinction though: the safety and security of the United States and her interests is vastly different than securing your freedoms here within our borders. Vastly different because there is no existential threat to the United States. None...

I like that distinction. You are the real deal Joe, thank you.

Happy Monkey · 08-30-2016, 02:13 PM

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Respect the people who made it possible for you to have free speech.

Forced speech is an odd way to respect free speech.

Gravdigr · 08-30-2016, 04:00 PM

Fine. I just don't like the guy.

08-29-2016, 10:40 PM	#1
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	Stand up or GTFO. Kapernick can suck it. So can the pc media that is afraid to offend anyone by treating an asshole like an asshole. You wanna take a political stance? Fine. Do it in a political arena. Retire from the game and join Black Lives Matter with your woman. Refuse to honor the country that makes your rich man life style possible and you look like a hypocritical asshole. Why not burn a flag, Colin, ya cunt? __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

08-29-2016, 10:53 PM	#2
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	The niners might have cut him for being bad at his job, but now they'll have to consider the reaction of the public if they do. He has regressed steadily since losing the super bowl, and lost his job to Gabbert. I hope they have the bawls to make their football decisions without feeling pressure from the pussified public opinion. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

08-30-2016, 06:27 AM	#3
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	I stand when its played so I don't offend anyone who has served. It is however just a flag and just a song and the values they supposedly and apparently less and less over time actually represent include free speech. I was that dick who sat through the flag worship in high school. All this nationalistic bullshit makes it easier for politicians to get young people killed. When this country does great things the flag and the song stir me. When this country does terrible things and tries to wrap it in a flag it does not. I don't know Colin from Adam and I think Black Lives Matters should have added "too" to their name but we do have things to talk about in this country and he maybe just isn't feeling that Hitler Youthy right now. Does it not strike anyone else as strange that we do the SSB with full military regalia before private for profit events? If they sang it in German we'd all reflect. just me being a dick __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-30-2016, 06:49 AM	#4
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	I don't think you're being a dick, Griff. I don't think LJ is either to be fair. We don't have the same issues with flag & anthem over here, so for me it was a really peculiar thing to read about. A piece of cloth and a song? But then also - a country that still feels so divided? And then again a young man paid more than I will EVER earn in my life making such a pathetic gesture? If you care that much little boi, go out and DO something. Give some of your lovely loot to the families who are affected, and stand up with everyone else and keep your mouth shut. But what do I know? I'm sat in a public funded library. I can afford to eat thanks to the Government benefits and a generous friend. I've just had 16 days in hospital I didn't pay a penny for. And I was born white and English, and if I believed in God I'd thank him for that. Except maybe I might ask to be Welsh. And to have had an intolerance to alcohol. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

08-30-2016, 07:42 AM	#5
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	this Attached Images __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

08-30-2016, 07:55 AM	#6
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	The NFL is entertainment. If he's pissing off the viewers so they stop watching, then that hurts the NFL and if he hurts the NFL more than he helps them, he's gonna get kicked to the curb. Our country is fairly divided. If we can be reminded now and then that we are all Americans and in this together, I think that's a good thing. I've got no problem with the flag stuff at games. I think it's nice. I don't like the military stuff at games. The military is only a small fraction of what this country is about. It's a recruiting gig for them. Business. Plain and simple, just like the NFL is business, plain and simple. He's a fool. We are all talking about him and not his cause.

08-30-2016, 11:18 AM	#9
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	I prefer someone who wraps themself up in the flag. And then burns the flag. It make a better show.

08-30-2016, 01:17 PM	#10
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	I clearly remember what happened with Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf 20 years ago. I love our country, and am happy to stand up during the National Anthem. But I also understand why someone like Colin Kaepernick takes issue with that. This is one of the best articles I've seen that talks about it: http://theundefeated.com/features/ta...tional-anthem/ Ultimately, Kaepernick has the right to protest (and it is protected by his employers), and you have the right to be pissed about the situation. But I ask you to think about this: we are blessed with so many freedoms in this country, and yet, we are so outraged that someone is exercising such a freedom. "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."--Evelyn Beatrice Hall

08-30-2016, 01:20 PM	#11
Gravdigr The Un-Tuckian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Central...KY that is Posts: 39,517	I'd like to see the fans exercise their right to stand up and turn their backs to him when he takes the field. Respect the people who made it possible for you to have free speech. Or GTFO. __________________ These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, EPA, FBI, DEA, CDC, or FDIC. These statements are not intended to diagnose, cause, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you feel you have been harmed/offended by, or, disagree with any of the above statements or images, please feel free to fuck right off.

08-30-2016, 04:00 PM	#15
Gravdigr The Un-Tuckian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Central...KY that is Posts: 39,517	Fine. I just don't like the guy. __________________ These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, EPA, FBI, DEA, CDC, or FDIC. These statements are not intended to diagnose, cause, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you feel you have been harmed/offended by, or, disagree with any of the above statements or images, please feel free to fuck right off.

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