Funny political pictures

[DanaC]

Every now and again, someone will post a cartoon or joke and someone else will find it offensive, or consider it to have crossed a line, they comment to that effect. One or two people then comment to the same effect and one or two other people claim we're all going to hell in a handcart because of PC bullshit or words to that effect.

This is no different to the way it has always been. Nor will it be any different in the future. It isn't a big deal (a joke crossed someone's line) nor does it indicate any change in tone or levels of acceptance on the Cellar (a joke crossed someone's line).

The only 'butthurt' I see going on here is Grav flouncing about the place making a massive noise because his jokes crossed someone's line. Get over it.

[DanaC]

My turn for what?

[classicman]

I think he was makin a joke, but ya never know with that crazy Gravy.

[Ibby]

In any case, I think we have a "political pictures" thread and a separate "tasteless jokes" thread for a reason, and the tasteless and offensive sorts of jokes should stay in the tasteless thread. That's all I was saying. That's not butthurt. That's just wanting to keep the shit where the shit belongs.

[classicman]

Moving along

[classicman]

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[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Ibram

...Calling attention to the problem is actually an important thing for us, as society, to do, even when we do it through humour.

There is NO legitimate reason to ...snip... put signs up (or laugh at other people putting signs up) saying 'LOL NO MUZLIMS IN HEER CUZ PORK GO MURKA,"...

Go back and read your first statement.

I think it contributes to the daily persecution many muslims in America face.

And your opinion affects me, how?

Originally Posted by Ibram

In any case, I think we have a "political pictures" thread and a separate "tasteless jokes" thread for a reason, and the tasteless and offensive sorts of jokes should stay in the tasteless thread.

But the fly in your ointment, or vice versa, is it ain't your choice.
I realize that everything you don't agree with is oppression, repression, inhumane, and beyond the bounds of human decency, but boy are you gonna shit when you get to the real world.

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Go back and read your first statement.

The "problem" the post in question, and its sign saying NO MUSLIMS HERE!11!1!, was "drawing attention" to, was the fact that muslims are problems. That's not okay in my book, and not a legitimate topic of humour. The sign was not ironic, was not trying to draw attention to the plight of marginalized minority groups in america - it was just islamophobic and gross. Mine, on the other hand, while possibly making light of whatever perceived hardships police face, also humorously draws attention to the very real problem of police brutality, especially with regards to minority communities.

I don't see where I contradicted myself. The place of humour to draw attention to problems with society should be, at risk of sounding self-parodying, restricted to things that -I- think are problems! Or, more accurately, they should be restricted to problems that aren't born from racism, bigotry, hatred, and intolerance. Because none of those "problems" (like the "problem" of Muslims in Amerca) are problems - they are symptoms of the underlying hate and prejudice.

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

And your opinion affects me, how?

It doesn't. Or rather, it only does if you have a problem with me making very vocal and clear what my problems with bigoted posts are. I'm not going to stop "bitching" about racism, sexism, heterosexism, cissexism, and just about every other form of prejudice, bigotry, and out-and-out filth I come across. Even if all I do is piss the offenders off, rather than making them "see the error of their ways", or changing their behavior, I think it is one of my moral responsibilities to confront that wherever I come across it. I can't make you or anyone else behave like a kind, accepting, understanding, humane, basically decent person - but I can point out when that's not how it looks to me.

[TheMercenary]

Haaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Ibram

The "problem" the post in question, and its sign saying NO MUSLIMS HERE!11!1!, was "drawing attention" to, was the fact that muslims are problems.

Your problem is you think everyone sees things as you do. How the fuck do you know people aren't laughing at the dumb redneck that posted the sign?

I don't see where I contradicted myself.

That I believe.

The place of humour to draw attention to problems with society should be, at risk of sounding self-parodying, restricted to things that -I- think are problems!

BINGO, that you think are problems.
You can think anything you want, but that neither makes it true, or gives you the right to tell anyone else what they must think.

Or, more accurately, they should be restricted to problems that aren't born from racism, bigotry, hatred, and intolerance. Because none of those "problems" (like the "problem" of Muslims in America) are problems - they are symptoms of the underlying hate and prejudice.

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you are the one who makes the rules for the application of humor, your pompousness.

Originally Posted by Ibram

It doesn't. Or rather, it only does if you have a problem with me making very vocal and clear what my problems with bigoted posts are. I'm not going to stop "bitching" about racism, sexism, heterosexism, cissexism, and just about every other form of prejudice, bigotry, and out-and-out filth I come across. Even if all I do is piss the offenders off, rather than making them "see the error of their ways", or changing their behavior, I think it is one of my moral responsibilities to confront that wherever I come across it. I can't make you or anyone else behave like a kind, accepting, understanding, humane, basically decent person - but I can point out when that's not how it looks to me.

You left out Truth, Justice, and the American Way.
If you continue to deliberately "piss off" the people you've labeled, "offenders", prepare to get your ass kicked.
It'll be interesting to see what happens when you grow up and discover your opinion carries no more weight than anyone else's.

[Rhianne]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

How ... do you know people aren't laughing at the dumb redneck that posted the sign?

I confess that was exactly how the picture appeared to me.

I suppose if I'd thought Grav was anti-muslim in some way I might have seen it differently but he's never given me that impression.

[classicman]

now ^THAT^ was a lecture.

[DanaC]

I thought it was anti-muslim. But I don't think Grav is anti-muslim.

Nobody has the right to tell anyone what to think. But then nobody has the right to demand that someone else not be offended.

That's the thing when you post a joke on here. Sometimes someone finds it offensive and says so. No big deal. Just a joke that caused a little offense, intentionally or otherwise.

[morethanpretty]