What if I've been wrong about W? - Page 6

mrnoodle · 03-08-2005, 09:37 AM

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Bush never accepted the view that Islamic terrorism had its roots in religion or culture or the Arab-Israeli conflict. Instead he veered toward the analysis that the region was breeding terror because it had developed deep dysfunctions caused by decades of repression and an almost total lack of political, economic and social modernization.

This isn't a Bush original, but he's the first *president* to form a middle-east policy based on the concept. We're still in the 'killing terrorists' phase, but when the trash has been taken out, you'll see the work that's been going on underneath - the hospital and school and infrastructure building.

Lib media doesn't cover that, because it doesn't feed into their carefully constructed anti-Bush propoganda machine. Look at the title of the MSNBC piece - "What Bush Got Right". My, how very magnanimous of them. Oh well, maybe if they dip their toes far enough into the pool of actual impartial journalism, they'll decide they like it. This article is a start I suppose.

Don't think for a second, though, that a paradigm shift isn't happening in news media. The idea that the NYT can say whatever it wants because, by God, it's the new york times, is passe. During every editorial staff meeting dedicated to combing over an 'anonymous' submission for something to use against Bush, there are 5,000 bloggers networking with what used to be big-media-only sources and getting the facts out there. Yeah, you have to pick through some twaddle to find the truth, and there are more loonies than real researchers. That's ok, conservatives have 40 years of practice trying to mine a nugget of truth out of a pile of shit every time they turn on network news or pick up a newspaper, so the blogosphere is easy.

jaguar · 03-08-2005, 04:29 PM

he's so cute! Next he'll be telling us how bush earnt his place at Yale.

redsonia · 03-08-2005, 05:42 PM

Newsweek just had an article last week talking about how modern Iraqi women are increasingly in danger from Iraqi fundamentalists. Many have been killed or threatened. The point was made that while Saddam was
a brutal dictator, women are NOW actually more repressed than they were under his regime. Two steps forward . . .

Undertoad · 03-08-2005, 05:53 PM

Slaves had it great. Three squares and a roof over their head guaranteed. Job protection for life. Nobody would want to give that up.

Lest we forget, that was part of the argument back in the day.

Happy Monkey · 03-08-2005, 06:14 PM

To quote Rumsfeld:

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"Freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things," Rumsfeld said. "They're also free to live their lives and do wonderful things. And that's what's going to happen here."

Free people are free to commit crimes. The fundamentalists are exercising that freedom.

richlevy · 03-08-2005, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

Don't think for a second, though, that a paradigm shift isn't happening in news media.

Yeah, those 'hard news' stories about the AARP promoting gay marriage and shafting veterans were pretty interesting.

lookout123 · 03-08-2005, 06:39 PM

i was just thinking. wouldn't it be great if we had an election coming up to focus allof our vitriol?

redsonia · 03-08-2005, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Slaves had it great. Three squares and a roof over their head guaranteed. Job protection for life. Nobody would want to give that up.

Lest we forget, that was part of the argument back in the day.

Lest we also forget, black people today are still not socially or economically equal in our society. For all the freedom and equality we preach and try to impose on other nations our own house is not in order.

Bullitt · 03-09-2005, 12:56 AM

Sorry.. I had to.

Troubleshooter · 03-09-2005, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by redsonia

Lest we also forget, black people today are still not socially or economically equal in our society. For all the freedom and equality we preach and try to impose on other nations our own house is not in order.

Our situation is a bit too complex to just toss out a phrase like that. There are people trying to help and people trying to hinder from both sides of the fence.

But I agree that we really need to get our shit in one sock before we take off to try to fix other people's problems.

jaguar · 03-09-2005, 10:08 AM

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Sorry.. I had to.

Utter. Fucking. Gold.
*golf clap*

xoxoxoBruce · 03-09-2005, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by redsonia

Lest we also forget, black people today are still not socially or economically equal in our society. For all the freedom and equality we preach and try to impose on other nations our own house is not in order.

I get confused. I drive to work through Chester, the poorest city in PA, and I see most of the people are black. Then at work, my inspector, my boss and the CEO/CFO are black. Then I drive back through the slums to go home. It certainly shows both ends of the spectrum.

Troubleshooter · 03-09-2005, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I get confused. I drive to work through Chester, the poorest city in PA, and I see most of the people are black. Then at work, my inspector, my boss and the CEO/CFO are black. Then I drive back through the slums to go home. It certainly shows both ends of the spectrum.

No it's just that the successful (corporate ones, not the thugs) have sold out to Da Man(tm) and have become oreos.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-09-2005, 05:26 PM

Or joined a union where they are treated equally.

Troubleshooter · 03-09-2005, 05:27 PM

Not if they work for Wal Mart.

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redsonia Wet Nurse's Aide Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Bailey, Colorado Posts: 40	Newsweek just had an article last week talking about how modern Iraqi women are increasingly in danger from Iraqi fundamentalists. Many have been killed or threatened. The point was made that while Saddam was a brutal dictator, women are NOW actually more repressed than they were under his regime. Two steps forward . . .

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Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Slaves had it great. Three squares and a roof over their head guaranteed. Job protection for life. Nobody would want to give that up. Lest we forget, that was part of the argument back in the day.

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