right to work/unions

henry quirk · 12-14-2012, 08:58 AM

The floor is yours: educate us.

Happy Monkey · 12-14-2012, 05:03 PM

The right to mooch.

BigV · 12-14-2012, 05:38 PM

see: Little Red Hen.

sexobon · 12-14-2012, 08:21 PM

As corporations are being treated more and more like human entities, with the courts upholding rights and privileges thereof, it's only a natural progression that corporations would want to enter into monogamous civil unions with their employees to the exclusion of courting third parties. Oppression of nontraditional civil unions between corporations and individual people should not be tolerated. Potential life partners (i.e. employees) should not be denied the opportunity for benefits; or, a legal say-so in the interests of a prospective employer by those who believe that only their kinds of unions are legitimate. Everyone should have a right to work on their unions. I don't think I could discuss anything else with anyone who doesn't agree. Those who believe otherwise are bitter-scorned and I'm afraid of them.

Lamplighter · 12-14-2012, 08:28 PM

But the churches still will not support such monogamous civil unions,
particularly if they are ordained by the government, and so demand
equal coverage of health care and reproductive rights.

ZenGum · 12-14-2012, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sexobon

As corporations are being treated more and more like human entities, with the courts upholding rights and privileges thereof, it's only a natural progression that corporations would want to enter into monogamous civil unions with their employees to the exclusion of courting third parties. Oppression of nontraditional civil unions between corporations and individual people should not be tolerated. Potential life partners (i.e. employees) should not be denied the opportunity for benefits; or, a legal say-so in the interests of a prospective employer by those who believe that only their kinds of unions are legitimate. Everyone should have a right to work on their unions. I don't think I could discuss anything else with anyone who doesn't agree. Those who believe otherwise are bitter-scorned and I'm afraid of them.

It's the work/divorces that get really messy.

toranokaze · 12-14-2012, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

But the churches still will not support such monogamous civil unions,
particularly if they are ordained by the government, and so demand
equal coverage of health care and reproductive rights.

They have that it is called a merger, and when they were sick ( lossing money on bad bets) we gave them free medicine( a bunch of money) you know government health care for corporations.

Spexxvet · 12-15-2012, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum

It's the work/divorces that get really messy.

And the battle over custody of the widgets.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-15-2012, 12:39 PM

The founding fathers set up a three way balance of power between the executive, legislative, and courts, to keep everything cool. They couldn't foresee the rise of corporations giving the power/money to a small segment of privileged.
The result was an economic roller coaster, recession after recession, as the power was now a two way between the government and the robber barons, with the people just collateral damage.

The great depression was the last straw, so FDR & Co passed laws for unions to make the people the balancing third party. It worked well, making the country thrive, keeping the wealthy rich, and building a consumer middle class. Go us and U.S.

Unions are like mini-democracies, and as the workers got complacent they neglected the union and government, letting scumbags take control. But even as the scumbags were making themselves rich, they were still doing well by the workers.

Enter a new type of robber barons who had all the money they could ever need but wanted more just for bragging rights, and didn't give a shit about the country. They needed to break the power balance, and even buying politicians/lobbyists the federal government was too strong.

That left the unions as the only viable target. The only way was to break the unions by circumventing them with a "global economy", then a state by state campaign to castrate the unions with anti-collective bargaining and "right to work" laws.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-15-2012, 09:30 PM

This guy has his head on straight.

tw · 12-16-2012, 11:23 AM

Everyone always had the right to work in any state. Unions are created by adversarial management. Need to eliminate unions? Then first eliminate the reason for unions.

ZenGum · 12-16-2012, 05:05 PM

Unions are absolutely necessary, because they give the 1% someone else to blame when they shut down the factory and move production to China.

12-14-2012, 08:58 AM	#1
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	right to work/unions The floor is yours: educate us.

12-14-2012, 05:03 PM	#2
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	The right to mooch. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

12-14-2012, 05:38 PM	#3
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	see: Little Red Hen. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

12-15-2012, 12:39 PM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The founding fathers set up a three way balance of power between the executive, legislative, and courts, to keep everything cool. They couldn't foresee the rise of corporations giving the power/money to a small segment of privileged. The result was an economic roller coaster, recession after recession, as the power was now a two way between the government and the robber barons, with the people just collateral damage. The great depression was the last straw, so FDR & Co passed laws for unions to make the people the balancing third party. It worked well, making the country thrive, keeping the wealthy rich, and building a consumer middle class. Go us and U.S. Unions are like mini-democracies, and as the workers got complacent they neglected the union and government, letting scumbags take control. But even as the scumbags were making themselves rich, they were still doing well by the workers. Enter a new type of robber barons who had all the money they could ever need but wanted more just for bragging rights, and didn't give a shit about the country. They needed to break the power balance, and even buying politicians/lobbyists the federal government was too strong. That left the unions as the only viable target. The only way was to break the unions by circumventing them with a "global economy", then a state by state campaign to castrate the unions with anti-collective bargaining and "right to work" laws. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-15-2012, 09:30 PM	#10
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	This guy has his head on straight. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-14-2012, 08:21 PM	#4
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	As corporations are being treated more and more like human entities, with the courts upholding rights and privileges thereof, it's only a natural progression that corporations would want to enter into monogamous civil unions with their employees to the exclusion of courting third parties. Oppression of nontraditional civil unions between corporations and individual people should not be tolerated. Potential life partners (i.e. employees) should not be denied the opportunity for benefits; or, a legal say-so in the interests of a prospective employer by those who believe that only their kinds of unions are legitimate. Everyone should have a right to work on their unions. I don't think I could discuss anything else with anyone who doesn't agree. Those who believe otherwise are bitter-scorned and I'm afraid of them.

12-14-2012, 08:28 PM	#5
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	But the churches still will not support such monogamous civil unions, particularly if they are ordained by the government, and so demand equal coverage of health care and reproductive rights.

12-16-2012, 11:23 AM	#11
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Everyone always had the right to work in any state. Unions are created by adversarial management. Need to eliminate unions? Then first eliminate the reason for unions.

12-16-2012, 05:05 PM	#12
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Unions are absolutely necessary, because they give the 1% someone else to blame when they shut down the factory and move production to China. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

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